Changes from 2.26 to 2.28

[Rohan Agrawal-2]

Hello,

I just upgraded from Evolution 2.26 to 2.28, and I noticed a few changes
which I think are negative.  I was wondering if I could find out the
rationale for these changes, as well as if there is some option for
changing them back (I couldn't find one in the preferences).

      * In the panel that lists the mails, each mail is given a much
        wider space, which seems like a waste.  GNOME already consumes a
        lot of screen space with very big controls and text, when
        compared to Windows or to KDE.
      * The Date column now shows 24-hour times rather than 12 hour
        times, and there doesn't seem to be a way to change it.
      * The Date column now uses "n days ago" for mails within the last
        week, rather than the day of the week.  My impression is that
        "Sunday" is more understandable than "6 days ago".

Thanks,
Rohan

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[Tobias Mueller-6]

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Hey Rohan :)

Thanks for your critics :)

On 04.10.2009 02:47, Rohan Agrawal wrote:
>       * In the panel that lists the mails, each mail is given a much
>         wider space, which seems like a waste.  GNOME already consumes a
>         lot of screen space with very big controls and text, when
>         compared to Windows or to KDE.
Could you make a screenshot and file a bug at https://bugzilla.gnome.org/?

>       * The Date column now shows 24-hour times rather than 12 hour
>         times, and there doesn't seem to be a way to change it.
Hm. It should respect your LC_TIME environment variable.

>       * The Date column now uses "n days ago" for mails within the last
>         week, rather than the day of the week.  My impression is that
>         "Sunday" is more understandable than "6 days ago".
>
If there is no (obvious) setting for this, I'd file a bug :-)

Thanks and Cheers,
  Tobi
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[Thomas Novin-5]

On Sat, 2009-10-03 at 21:47 -0400, Rohan Agrawal wrote:

> Hello,
>
> I just upgraded from Evolution 2.26 to 2.28, and I noticed a few changes
> which I think are negative.  I was wondering if I could find out the
> rationale for these changes, as well as if there is some option for
> changing them back (I couldn't find one in the preferences).
>
>       * In the panel that lists the mails, each mail is given a much
>         wider space, which seems like a waste.  GNOME already consumes a
>         lot of screen space with very big controls and text, when
>         compared to Windows or to KDE.

+1 on that.

>       * The Date column now shows 24-hour times rather than 12 hour
>         times, and there doesn't seem to be a way to change it.

I think this is not set in Evolution but Evo just uses your timezone. I
had this problem the other way around before.

>       * The Date column now uses "n days ago" for mails within the last
>         week, rather than the day of the week.  My impression is that
>         "Sunday" is more understandable than "6 days ago".

+1 on that too. I think Outlook does this nicely which groups them based
on when they were received. Today, Yesterday, <Weekdays>, Last week, Two
weeks ago, Three weeks ago, Last month.. etc. Always also showing the
day+date as 'Thu 22/9'.

Rgds
Thomas N


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[Suman Manjunath-2]

On Sat, 2009-10-03 at 21:47 -0400, Rohan Agrawal wrote:

>       * The Date column now shows 24-hour times rather than 12 hour
>         times, and there doesn't seem to be a way to change it.

Untrue. Go to:
Edit -> Preferences -> Calendar and Tasks -> (under the General tab)
Time format.

A new feature of changing the displayed time format was added in 2.28.
To tweak this, go to:
Edit -> Preferences -> Calendar and Tasks -> (under the Display tab)
Date/Time format.

-Suman

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[Rohan Agrawal-2]

Indeed these options exist, but neither of them change what I am talking
about.  Both of the options you mention change only the time as it is
shown in the Calendar and Tasks view, not the Mail view.

Rohan

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From: Suman Manjunath <manjunath.suman@...>
To: evolution-hackers@...
Subject: Re: [Evolution-hackers] Changes from 2.26 to 2.28
Date: Sun, 04 Oct 2009 15:40:42 -0400

On Sat, 2009-10-03 at 21:47 -0400, Rohan Agrawal wrote:

>       * The Date column now shows 24-hour times rather than 12 hour
>         times, and there doesn't seem to be a way to change it.

Untrue. Go to:
Edit -> Preferences -> Calendar and Tasks -> (under the General tab)
Time format.

A new feature of changing the displayed time format was added in 2.28.
To tweak this, go to:
Edit -> Preferences -> Calendar and Tasks -> (under the Display tab)
Date/Time format.

-Suman

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[Rohan Agrawal-2]

After poking around a little more, there is an option for this setting.
It is in Edit -> Preferences -> Mail Preferences -> Headers -> Date/Time
Format.  Thanks for everyone's replies.

Rohan

-----Original Message-----
From: Rohan Agrawal <agrawalr@...>
To: Suman Manjunath <manjunath.suman@...>
Cc: evolution-hackers@...
Subject: Re: [Evolution-hackers] Changes from 2.26 to 2.28
Date: Sun, 04 Oct 2009 15:58:10 -0400

Indeed these options exist, but neither of them change what I am talking
about.  Both of the options you mention change only the time as it is
shown in the Calendar and Tasks view, not the Mail view.

Rohan

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From: Suman Manjunath <manjunath.suman@...>
To: evolution-hackers@...
Subject: Re: [Evolution-hackers] Changes from 2.26 to 2.28
Date: Sun, 04 Oct 2009 15:40:42 -0400

On Sat, 2009-10-03 at 21:47 -0400, Rohan Agrawal wrote:

>       * The Date column now shows 24-hour times rather than 12 hour
>         times, and there doesn't seem to be a way to change it.

Untrue. Go to:
Edit -> Preferences -> Calendar and Tasks -> (under the General tab)
Time format.

A new feature of changing the displayed time format was added in 2.28.
To tweak this, go to:
Edit -> Preferences -> Calendar and Tasks -> (under the Display tab)
Date/Time format.

-Suman

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[Milan Crha]

        Hi,

On Sun, 2009-10-04 at 10:22 +0100, Tobias Mueller wrote:
> On 04.10.2009 02:47, Rohan Agrawal wrote:
> >       * In the panel that lists the mails, each mail is given a much
> >         wider space, which seems like a waste.  GNOME already consumes a
> >         lot of screen space with very big controls and text, when
> >         compared to Windows or to KDE.
> Could you make a screenshot and file a bug at https://bugzilla.gnome.org/?

this is your bug:
https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=565780

> >       * The Date column now uses "n days ago" for mails within the last
> >         week, rather than the day of the week.  My impression is that
> >         "Sunday" is more understandable than "6 days ago".
> >
> If there is no (obvious) setting for this, I'd file a bug :-)

Yeah, there is no such enhancement request (or I'm not aware of it, at
least). The request sounds good to me, please file it and point us to
it.
        Thanks and bye,
        Milan

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[Andrew Cowie]

On Sun, 2009-10-04 at 10:22 +0100, Tobias Mueller wrote:
> >       * The Date column now shows 24-hour times rather than 12 hour
> >         times, and there doesn't seem to be a way to change it.
> Hm. It should respect your LC_TIME environment variable.

I can confirm that it ignoring my LC_TIME too (which I have had set for
years to en_DK.UTF8 explicitly and only for the purpose of putting
Evolution into 24 hour time).

The new & cunningly hidden Date/Time format fields under the Header tab
in Mail Preferences *do* work as an configurable setting.

[Hooray! I think that is possibly the longest standing feature request
in Evolution's venerable history]

AfC
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