Changing Port 25 to Port 587

[John Maxwell-3]

My ISP (Verizon) changed the rules for sending email. They now require
using port 587 to send email instead of the default port 25. I have made
the change on my 2 windows machines using Eudora 7 with ease but getting
Evolution to work has been a problem. It still received email but will
not send. I have changer the SMTP server name to include :587 at the end
but still no luck. I am running Ubuntu 8.1o on the desktop and 8.04 on
the netbook with the same results.

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[Kojak T]

On Thu, 2009-10-15 at 15:46 -0700, John Maxwell wrote:

> My ISP (Verizon) changed the rules for sending email. They now require
> using port 587 to send email instead of the default port 25. I have made
> the change on my 2 windows machines using Eudora 7 with ease but getting
> Evolution to work has been a problem. It still received email but will
> not send. I have changer the SMTP server name to include :587 at the end
> but still no luck. I am running Ubuntu 8.1o on the desktop and 8.04 on
> the netbook with the same results.
>
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Hi John,

I use port 587 on my Hardy 8.04 for an msn account.  (smtp.live.com:587)
But I do also use TLS instead SSL encryption to make it work. You might
want to try that. At first when I tried using SSL it didn't work.
Switching to TLS made it work.

Good luck

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[Philippe LeCavalier]

Quoting "Kojak T" <kojak.t@...>:

> On Thu, 2009-10-15 at 15:46 -0700, John Maxwell wrote:
>> My ISP (Verizon) changed the rules for sending email. They now require
>> using port 587 to send email instead of the default port 25. I have made
>> the change on my 2 windows machines using Eudora 7 with ease but getting
>> Evolution to work has been a problem. It still received email but will
>> not send. I have changer the SMTP server name to include :587 at the end
>> but still no luck. I am running Ubuntu 8.1o on the desktop and 8.04 on
>> the netbook with the same results.


What error are you getting?

You most likely need to enable SMTP auth.

Phil



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[John Maxwell-3]

Phil & Kojak.t,
Using plain, TSL & SSL encryption, messages are received but no mail
is sent, the window just sits there. Authentication is checked or not
the results are the same. If I change the outgoing server from
mail.XXX.com to smtp.mail.XXX.com it attempts to send the mail but
has the following error message "Host lookup failed:
smtp.mail.XXX.com: Name or service not known" and is the only error
message I can get otherwise it sits there regardless of how long I
wait (several minutes).

Thanks,

John

At 06:19 PM 10/15/2009, support@... wrote:

>Quoting "Kojak T" <kojak.t@...>:
>
>>On Thu, 2009-10-15 at 15:46 -0700, John Maxwell wrote:
>>>My ISP (Verizon) changed the rules for sending email. They now require
>>>using port 587 to send email instead of the default port 25. I have made
>>>the change on my 2 windows machines using Eudora 7 with ease but getting
>>>Evolution to work has been a problem. It still received email but will
>>>not send. I have changer the SMTP server name to include :587 at the end
>>>but still no luck. I am running Ubuntu 8.1o on the desktop and 8.04 on
>>>the netbook with the same results.
>
>
>What error are you getting?
>
>You most likely need to enable SMTP auth.
>
>Phil
>
>
>
>
>
>No virus found in this incoming message.
>Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
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[Adam Tauno Williams-5]

On Thu, 2009-10-15 at 22:00 -0700, John Maxwell wrote:
> Phil & Kojak.t,
> Using plain, TSL & SSL encryption, messages are received but no mail
> is sent, the window just sits there. Authentication is checked or not
> the results are the same. If I change the outgoing server from
> mail.XXX.com to smtp.mail.XXX.com it attempts to send the mail but
> has the following error message "Host lookup failed:
> smtp.mail.XXX.com: Name or service not known" and is the only error
> message I can get otherwise it sits there regardless of how long I
> wait (several minutes).

That makes sense; there probably is no "smtp.mail.XXX.com";  have you
tried just "smtp.XXX.com"?  Or looking up what the setting should be.
The port syntax XXX.YYY.ZZZ:### does work.  Our shop runs SMTP on
TCP/21212 and specifying smtp.USUSUS.com:21212 works in evolution.



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[Philippe LeCavalier]

Quoting "Adam Tauno Williams" <awilliam@...>:

> On Thu, 2009-10-15 at 22:00 -0700, John Maxwell wrote:
>> Phil & Kojak.t,
>> Using plain, TSL & SSL encryption, messages are received but no mail
>> is sent, the window just sits there. Authentication is checked or not
>> the results are the same. If I change the outgoing server from
>> mail.XXX.com to smtp.mail.XXX.com it attempts to send the mail but
>> has the following error message "Host lookup failed:
>> smtp.mail.XXX.com: Name or service not known" and is the only error
>> message I can get otherwise it sits there regardless of how long I
>> wait (several minutes).
>
> That makes sense; there probably is no "smtp.mail.XXX.com";  have you
> tried just "smtp.XXX.com"?  Or looking up what the setting should be.
> The port syntax XXX.YYY.ZZZ:### does work.  Our shop runs SMTP on
> TCP/21212 and specifying smtp.USUSUS.com:21212 works in evolution.
>
>

Yeah, getting the proper hostname from your ISP would be a real good start.

Phil

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[John Maxwell-3]

Adam,
I have tried all of those variations including mail.XXX.com:587,
smtp.XXX.com:587 and restarting the machine between changes,
unfortunately they have not worked. Originally mail.XXX.com worked
for years before Verizon made the changes Monday. My email server is
at my old ISP that we have used for years. A call to them revealed
that mail.XXX.com is the proper syntax and if the email client needs
port 587 then it resides with the client and the host isp.

On the windows side Eudora 7 and outlook express made the conversion
fine but if tried thunderbird and it exhibits the same problem.

An interesting problem.

John

At 03:38 AM 10/16/2009, Adam Tauno Williams wrote:

>On Thu, 2009-10-15 at 22:00 -0700, John Maxwell wrote:
> > Phil & Kojak.t,
> > Using plain, TSL & SSL encryption, messages are received but no mail
> > is sent, the window just sits there. Authentication is checked or not
> > the results are the same. If I change the outgoing server from
> > mail.XXX.com to smtp.mail.XXX.com it attempts to send the mail but
> > has the following error message "Host lookup failed:
> > smtp.mail.XXX.com: Name or service not known" and is the only error
> > message I can get otherwise it sits there regardless of how long I
> > wait (several minutes).
>
>That makes sense; there probably is no "smtp.mail.XXX.com";  have you
>tried just "smtp.XXX.com"?  Or looking up what the setting should be.
>The port syntax XXX.YYY.ZZZ:### does work.  Our shop runs SMTP on
>TCP/21212 and specifying smtp.USUSUS.com:21212 works in evolution.
>
>
>
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[C de-Avillez-2]

On Fri, 16 Oct 2009 08:12:59 -0700
John Maxwell <jmaxwell@...> wrote:

> Adam,
> I have tried all of those variations including mail.XXX.com:587,
> smtp.XXX.com:587 and restarting the machine between changes,
> unfortunately they have not worked. Originally mail.XXX.com worked
> for years before Verizon made the changes Monday. My email server is
> at my old ISP that we have used for years. A call to them revealed
> that mail.XXX.com is the proper syntax and if the email client needs
> port 587 then it resides with the client and the host isp.

Please run Evo from a terminal as follows:

env CAMEL_DEBUG=all evolution >& evo.log

Then try to send an email; it should fail. Quit Evo, so that the log
will not get larger, and now look at the log. The error should be there.

Cheers,


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[George Reeke]

On Fri, 2009-10-16 at 08:12 -0700, John Maxwell wrote:

> Adam,
> I have tried all of those variations including mail.XXX.com:587,
> smtp.XXX.com:587 and restarting the machine between changes,
> unfortunately they have not worked. Originally mail.XXX.com worked
> for years before Verizon made the changes Monday. My email server is
> at my old ISP that we have used for years. A call to them revealed
> that mail.XXX.com is the proper syntax and if the email client needs
> port 587 then it resides with the client and the host isp.
>
> On the windows side Eudora 7 and outlook express made the conversion
> fine but if tried thunderbird and it exhibits the same problem.
>
> An interesting problem.
>
> John
>

------irrelevant material cut-------

Maybe port 587 is blocked by the firewall on your client machine.
George Reeke

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[Art Alexion-4]

With Verizon it is also SSL, password is "plain", and make sure Evo is set up for SMTP authentication.


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----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Thu Oct 15 18:46:25 2009
Subject: [Evolution] Changing Port 25 to Port 587

My ISP (Verizon) changed the rules for sending email. They now require
using port 587 to send email instead of the default port 25. I have made
the change on my 2 windows machines using Eudora 7 with ease but getting
Evolution to work has been a problem. It still received email but will
not send. I have changer the SMTP server name to include :587 at the end
but still no luck. I am running Ubuntu 8.1o on the desktop and 8.04 on
the netbook with the same results.

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[Art Alexion-4]

For me, the server is outgoing.verizon.net

No mail or smtp in the hostname.
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To: support@... <support@...>; kojak.t@... <kojak.t@...>
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Sent: Fri Oct 16 01:00:38 2009
Subject: Re: [Evolution] Changing Port 25 to Port 587

Phil & Kojak.t,
Using plain, TSL & SSL encryption, messages are received but no mail
is sent, the window just sits there. Authentication is checked or not
the results are the same. If I change the outgoing server from
mail.XXX.com to smtp.mail.XXX.com it attempts to send the mail but
has the following error message "Host lookup failed:
smtp.mail.XXX.com: Name or service not known" and is the only error
message I can get otherwise it sits there regardless of how long I
wait (several minutes).

Thanks,

John

At 06:19 PM 10/15/2009, support@... wrote:

>Quoting "Kojak T" <kojak.t@...>:
>
>>On Thu, 2009-10-15 at 15:46 -0700, John Maxwell wrote:
>>>My ISP (Verizon) changed the rules for sending email. They now require
>>>using port 587 to send email instead of the default port 25. I have made
>>>the change on my 2 windows machines using Eudora 7 with ease but getting
>>>Evolution to work has been a problem. It still received email but will
>>>not send. I have changer the SMTP server name to include :587 at the end
>>>but still no luck. I am running Ubuntu 8.1o on the desktop and 8.04 on
>>>the netbook with the same results.
>
>
>What error are you getting?
>
>You most likely need to enable SMTP auth.
>
>Phil
>
>
>
>
>
>No virus found in this incoming message.
>Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
>Version: 8.5.421 / Virus Database: 270.14.17/2436 - Release Date:
>10/14/09 18:32:00

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[John Maxwell-3]

I will try these suggestions when I return. Thanks for the help.

John
At 08:39 AM 10/16/2009, George Reeke wrote:

>On Fri, 2009-10-16 at 08:12 -0700, John Maxwell wrote:
> > Adam,
> > I have tried all of those variations including mail.XXX.com:587,
> > smtp.XXX.com:587 and restarting the machine between changes,
> > unfortunately they have not worked. Originally mail.XXX.com worked
> > for years before Verizon made the changes Monday. My email server is
> > at my old ISP that we have used for years. A call to them revealed
> > that mail.XXX.com is the proper syntax and if the email client needs
> > port 587 then it resides with the client and the host isp.
> >
> > On the windows side Eudora 7 and outlook express made the conversion
> > fine but if tried thunderbird and it exhibits the same problem.
> >
> > An interesting problem.
> >
> > John
> >
>------irrelevant material cut-------
>
>Maybe port 587 is blocked by the firewall on your client machine.
>George Reeke
>
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[Kojak T]

On Thu, 2009-10-15 at 22:01 -0700, John Maxwell wrote:

> Kojak,
>
> Verizon is my ISP in CA but my email is from my old ISP in CO.
>
> Regards,
>
> JohnAt 06:25 PM 10/15/2009, you wrote:
> >It depends on what provider you use. it just happened to be
> >smtp.live.com for msn, but Verizon might use something else.
> >However, typically pop uses mail.xxx.com and smpt, mostly smtp.xxx.com
> >
> >On Thu, 2009-10-15 at 17:56 -0700, John Maxwell wrote:
> > > Kojak T ,
> > > I'll give that a try tonight. Did you type smtp. in the server name? as
> > > the default is mail.xxx.com in my setup.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > >
> > > John Maxwell
> > >
> > >
> > > > On Thu, 2009-10-15 at 15:46 -0700, John Maxwell wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> My ISP (Verizon) changed the rules for sending email. They now require
> > > >> using port 587 to send email instead of the default port 25. I
> > have made
> > > >> the change on my 2 windows machines using Eudora 7 with ease
> > but getting
> > > >> Evolution to work has been a problem. It still received email but will
> > > >> not send. I have changer the SMTP server name to include :587
> > at the end
> > > >> but still no luck. I am running Ubuntu 8.1o on the desktop and 8.04 on
> > > >> the netbook with the same results.
> > > >>
> > > >> _______________________________________________
> > > >> Evolution-list mailing list
> > > >> Evolution-list@...
> > > >> http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
> > > >>
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Hi John,
> > > >
> > > > I use port 587 on my Hardy 8.04 for an msn account.  (smtp.live.com:587)
> > > > But I do also use TLS instead SSL encryption to make it work. You might
> > > > want to try that. At first when I tried using SSL it didn't work.
> > > > Switching to TLS made it work.
> > > >
> > > > Good luck
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> >10/14/09 18:32:00
>

John,

If your Email is at another ISP, you can retrieve with pop from
anywhere, but some ISP's don't allow Relaying, and therefore sometimes
block smtp to another ISP. You will have to use the SMTP server from
your active ISP. Or another option is using a google account to send
email. This way you can always send through the google smtp servers.
or have your emails for your domain hosted by a hosting company as
godaddy, domaindiscover....

Don't know if I'm clear with my explanation.

Regards,
M.Kojak.S


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[Kojak T]

On Fri, 2009-10-16 at 09:29 -0700, John Maxwell wrote:

> I will try these suggestions when I return. Thanks for the help.
>
> John
> At 08:39 AM 10/16/2009, George Reeke wrote:
>
> >On Fri, 2009-10-16 at 08:12 -0700, John Maxwell wrote:
> > > Adam,
> > > I have tried all of those variations including mail.XXX.com:587,
> > > smtp.XXX.com:587 and restarting the machine between changes,
> > > unfortunately they have not worked. Originally mail.XXX.com worked
> > > for years before Verizon made the changes Monday. My email server is
> > > at my old ISP that we have used for years. A call to them revealed
> > > that mail.XXX.com is the proper syntax and if the email client needs
> > > port 587 then it resides with the client and the host isp.
> > >
> > > On the windows side Eudora 7 and outlook express made the conversion
> > > fine but if tried thunderbird and it exhibits the same problem.
> > >
> > > An interesting problem.
> > >
> > > John
> > >
> >------irrelevant material cut-------
> >
> >Maybe port 587 is blocked by the firewall on your client machine.
> >George Reeke
> >
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John,


Verizon outgoing mail server: outgoing.verizon.net

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[Ben May]

All this discussion of top versus bottom posting got me thinking. If
there's ALREADY a function in evolution specifically for replying to
mailing lists, couldn't we add configurations where you set:

For regular reply or reply-to-all: {Use top posting / Use bottom
posting}
For reply-to-mailing lists (ie: control-L): {use top posting / use
bottom posting}

Just a thought. :)

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[Matthias Apitz-4]

El día martes, octubre 20, 2009 a las 02:32:59 -0400, Ben May escribió:

> All this discussion of top versus bottom posting got me thinking. If
> there's ALREADY a function in evolution specifically for replying to
> mailing lists, couldn't we add configurations where you set:
>
> For regular reply or reply-to-all: {Use top posting / Use bottom
> posting}
> For reply-to-mailing lists (ie: control-L): {use top posting / use
> bottom posting}

Why do you think that top posting to non-mailing-list recipients
is a good idea (and that some clueless or careless or others
are doing that this is no real argument)?

> Just a thought. :)

Really a thought? :-)

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[Derek Mcdaniel]

>
> El día martes, octubre 20, 2009 a las 02:32:59 -0400, Ben May escribió:
>
> > All this discussion of top versus bottom posting got me thinking. If
> > there's ALREADY a function in evolution specifically for replying to
> > mailing lists, couldn't we add configurations where you set:
> >
> > For regular reply or reply-to-all: {Use top posting / Use bottom
> > posting}
> > For reply-to-mailing lists (ie: control-L): {use top posting / use
> > bottom posting}
>
> Why do you think that top posting to non-mailing-list recipients
> is a good idea (and that some clueless or careless or others
> are doing that this is no real argument)?

Its much easier to top post to non-mailing list clients. You need to
realize, most people are not computer savy and don't care about the
"netiquette" as much as Linux users do. I wont bottom post to a client or
anyone that's not on an email list. They get confused and it makes more work
for me to try and explain it. 90% of all users I email use top post except
for mailing lists.

> > Just a thought. :)
>
> Really a thought? :-)
>
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[Matthias Apitz-4]

El día martes, octubre 20, 2009 a las 02:57:10 -0400, Derek McDaniel escribió:

> Its much easier to top post to non-mailing list clients. You need to
> realize, most people are not computer savy and don't care about the
> "netiquette" as much as Linux users do. I wont bottom post to a client or
> anyone that's not on an email list. They get confused and it makes more work
> for me to try and explain it. 90% of all users I email use top post except
> for mailing lists.

I'm not a Linux user, but FreeBSD. You are right in one statement:
It's more easier to top post (with browser-like MUA, like OutLook,
Evo or any webmail in a real browser). The problem is that these
MUA are buggy or wrong coded. A good MUA (good in the sense of following
standards and netiquette) would:

1. include correctly marked the text (like your text above)
2. add the signature correctly started with "-- ", note the blank,
   (like mine below)
3. put the write mark (cursor) between the included text and the
   signature)

OutLook, for example, put the write mark on top of all, people start
to key-in and don't care about where they type. In addition they are
to clueless/careless/lazy to remove included text, because they would
have to mark this painfull with the mouse.

All this would not happen if you use a realy good MUA (like 'mutt')
and a good text editor (like 'vim'), as I do.

In addition: if you don't explain the clueless what they are
doing wrong, the world would not improve.

        matthias
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[Art Alexion-4]

On Tue, 2009-10-20 at 14:32 -0400, Ben May wrote:

> All this discussion of top versus bottom posting got me thinking. If
> there's ALREADY a function in evolution specifically for replying to
> mailing lists, couldn't we add configurations where you set:
>
> For regular reply or reply-to-all: {Use top posting / Use bottom
> posting}
> For reply-to-mailing lists (ie: control-L): {use top posting / use
> bottom posting}
>
> Just a thought. :)

I would say, "no", because though I am often an offender when I reply
from my Blackberry, I think bottom posting is best in every situation
you can.  And most of the time you can even make it readable to Outlook
users with judicious trimming.

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