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Re: Newbie questions

2006-08-07T22:33:27Z

These are harmless exceptions and can be ignored. It is often easier
to try an operation and catch the exception than to figure out whether
the operation would succeed in advance.

FWIW, Fusebox 5 mostly does not throw any of these exceptions because
it's written a different way - but it will still run your Fusebox 4.1
applications.

On 8/7/06, Mark Brown <mtbiker1069@...> wrote:
> Hello,
> I'm trying to learn Fusebox and Coldfusion. I download and have done a couple of tutorial on 4.1. It's going pretty good, but at the bottom of all my pages I'm getting the following error messages:
>

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Newbie questions

2006-08-07T22:11:32Z

Hello,
I'm trying to learn Fusebox and Coldfusion. I download and have done a couple of tutorial on 4.1. It's going pretty good, but at the bottom of all my pages I'm getting the following error messages:

"22:55:08.008 - Application Exception - in C:\CFusionMX7\wwwroot\personalweb\fusebox4.loader.cfmx.cfm : line 97

The specified Directory attribute value C:\CFusionMX7\wwwroot\personalweb\parsed could not be created.

22:55:08.008 - Application Exception - in C:\CFusionMX7\wwwroot\personalweb\fusebox4.loader.cfmx.cfm : line 101

The specified Directory attribute value C:\CFusionMX7\wwwroot\personalweb\plugins could not be created.

22:55:08.008 - fusebox.forceLoadException.newAppRoot - in C:\CFusionMX7\wwwroot\personalweb\fusebox4.loader.cfmx.cfm : line 130

The application root directory has changed.

22:55:08.008 - MissingInclude Exception - in C:\CFusionMX7\wwwroot\personalweb\fusebox4.runtime.cfmx.cfm : line 170

Could not find the included template ./fusebox.init.cfm."

I checked all the permissions to the folders and they are all good to go. My apps seem to be working ok, I just keep getting these error messages.

Any help you could lend to get rid of these would be very much appreciated.

Thanks in advance!

Mark

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architecture of circuits

2006-05-22T14:46:32Z

ignore that last half finished email - it was foating around in drafts in
gmail and I pressed send by accident.
sorry :-(

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architecture of circuits

2006-05-22T14:44:04Z

I'm trying to put together a small app which will have a classic shopping
basket kind of functionality.

so I have a circuit which handles displaying the products for sale and there
are several fuseactions to show different types of products.
selectproductsA
selectproductsB

From any of these fuseactions the user can click addtobasket or
removefrombasket or checkout

I have a basket circuit which will handle the basket updates.

My problem is the flow.

When they click addtobasket from

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Re: Fusedoc Generator / Test Harness Generator

2006-04-21T14:30:07Z

On 4/21/06, Steve Nelson <m@...> wrote:
> Actually Homesite extensions use javascript too. VTML is not the language
> used to write the Test Harness Generator. It's written in JS with some HS
> specific classes. It could be ported over to DW without too much work, but I
> haven't sold enough of them to make it worth my while.

I sit corrected. Thank you.

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RE: Fusedoc Generator / Test Harness Generator

2006-04-21T13:40:57Z

Actually Homesite extensions use javascript too. VTML is not the language
used to write the Test Harness Generator. It's written in JS with some HS
specific classes. It could be ported over to DW without too much work, but I
haven't sold enough of them to make it worth my while.

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-----Original Message-----
From: Sean Corfield [mailto:seancorfield@...]
Sent: Friday, April 21, 2006 2:13 PM
To: Fusebox
Subject: Re: Fusedoc Generator / Test Harness Generator

On 4/20/06, Mark Kecko <mark@...> wrote:
> Fusedoc Generator for Homesite
> Test Harness Generator for Homesite
>
> Can anyone tell me if these tools will work with Dreamweaver 8? We
> don't use HomeSite.

No. HomeSite uses VTML for extensions, Dreamweaver uses JavaScript.
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Re: Fusedoc Generator / Test Harness Generator

2006-04-21T12:13:13Z

On 4/20/06, Mark Kecko <mark@...> wrote:
> Fusedoc Generator for Homesite
> Test Harness Generator for Homesite
>
> Can anyone tell me if these tools will work with Dreamweaver 8? We
> don't use HomeSite.

No. HomeSite uses VTML for extensions, Dreamweaver uses JavaScript.
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Fusedoc Generator / Test Harness Generator

2006-04-20T08:27:35Z

Fusedoc Generator for Homesite
Test Harness Generator for Homesite

Can anyone tell me if these tools will work with Dreamweaver 8? We
don't use HomeSite.

Has anyone else had success with these tools?

Mark Kecko
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Anyone using Adalon????

2006-04-19T05:57:30Z

Hey there,

Is anyone using Adalon on the list. I've been having a play with it
recently and I've been having some issues related to exporting of
Fusebox 4.1 code. These are they...

1. I may not have set up things right but for some reason I lose an XFA
in the translation. That's what seems to be happening anyway. I've
provided a link to a simple test project with a couple of fuseactions
and an XFA per page. In the output it doesn't show up any XFAs.

2. In the demo videos on the site, it would seem that datafields should
be links but mine don't seem to be.

3. I'm an idiot obviously, but in the circuit.xml.cfm file, the fusedoc
bits make it throw an error reading the file and for some reason in
fusebox.xml.cfm, In <circuit alias="testcircuit" path="" parent="" />
the path doesn't seem to allow me to put the circuit files in a
subfolder, they need to be in the main app folder.

You can download the project at http://www.kreat-if.com/filez/test.prj
to see what I mean.

Hope someone can shed some light.

Cheers & take care,

Raavin ;)

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Re: OT: .NET and RDS

2006-03-21T10:17:01Z

I cant say I have. Maybe re-do the connector and make sure that the
CFIDE folder is still accessible and its runnable.

..Net might just do things like that so it pretends to be the better
platform

MD

On 21 Mar 2006, at 18:11, Mark Kecko wrote:

> I just installed .NET on my Windows 2003 Server and all of a sudden
> RDS
> stopped working. I get an error that RDS can't create the remote
> folder, despite the fact that I'm editing a exsiting file. Anyone
> seen
> anything like this. Google didn't turn anything up for me :(
>
> Mark Kecko
> Technology Director
> MediaPost Communications
> mark@...
> 212-204-2002
>
>

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OT: .NET and RDS

2006-03-21T10:10:02Z

I just installed .NET on my Windows 2003 Server and all of a sudden RDS
stopped working. I get an error that RDS can't create the remote
folder, despite the fact that I'm editing a exsiting file. Anyone seen
anything like this. Google didn't turn anything up for me :(

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RE: Any major sites out there on FB?

2005-11-18T09:30:20Z

You could take a look at seefusion

www.seefusion.com

I've been looking at this with fusebox apps, it logs page requests and
importantly gives you the fuseaction of pages as well as the SQL running

hth
mark

-----Original Message-----
From: Duncan [mailto:duncan.loxton@...]
Sent: 13 November 2005 00:38
To: Fusebox
Subject: Re: Any major sites out there on FB?

Thanks Jeff, that the kind of info I was after. I think that as we arent
geographically 'challenged', only by the dividers between desks, the locking
system we have in place now would be the way to continue. If we were to move
to the other system and FB at the same time we would open up a can o' worms.

Can VCS be an effective way to progress projects and files through the SDLC
environments to production?

On 11/12/05, Jeff Peters <jeff@...> wrote:

>
> In terms of file version control, Fusebox is no more prone to problems
> than other approaches.
>
> FB does make a project much easier to approach in teams, because the
> files are much smaller, allowing developers to work in parallel
> instead of waiting for each other to finish with large, multi-purpose
> files (assuming pessimistic version control--see next paragraph).
>
> Any development team must use version control of some kind. Otherwise,
> changes will be lost at some point. My team uses the model Gabe
> described: each developer has a local implementation of the
> application, and the code base is stored in a version control system.
> We use a locking (pessimistic) VCS, which means when I check out a
> file, no one else can make changes until I check it back in. Other VCS
> systems use an optimistic model, in which anyone can work on any file
> at any time; when you check a file in, the VCS compares it with the
> official version and allows you to merge any changes. The pessimistic
> model is fine for smaller teams that work in constant communication
> with one another: if someone forgets to check a file in (or release
> its lock), the project manager can kick him in the head and make him
> unlock it. The optimistic model is more flexible for larger or
> geographically diverse development teams (which is why it is more popular

with most OSS projects).
>
> - Jeff
>
>

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Re: Any major sites out there on FB?

2005-11-12T16:37:54Z

Thanks Jeff, that the kind of info I was after. I think that as we arent
geographically 'challenged', only by the dividers between desks, the locking
system we have in place now would be the way to continue. If we were to move
to the other system and FB at the same time we would open up a can o' worms.

Can VCS be an effective way to progress projects and files through the SDLC
environments to production?

On 11/12/05, Jeff Peters <jeff@...> wrote:

>
> In terms of file version control, Fusebox is no more prone to problems
> than other approaches.
>
> FB does make a project much easier to approach in teams, because the
> files are much smaller, allowing developers to work in parallel instead
> of waiting for each other to finish with large, multi-purpose files
> (assuming pessimistic version control--see next paragraph).
>
> Any development team must use version control of some kind. Otherwise,
> changes will be lost at some point. My team uses the model Gabe
> described: each developer has a local implementation of the application,
> and the code base is stored in a version control system. We use a
> locking (pessimistic) VCS, which means when I check out a file, no one
> else can make changes until I check it back in. Other VCS systems use
> an optimistic model, in which anyone can work on any file at any time;
> when you check a file in, the VCS compares it with the official version
> and allows you to merge any changes. The pessimistic model is fine for
> smaller teams that work in constant communication with one another: if
> someone forgets to check a file in (or release its lock), the project
> manager can kick him in the head and make him unlock it. The optimistic
> model is more flexible for larger or geographically diverse development
> teams (which is why it is more popular with most OSS projects).
>
> - Jeff
>
>

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RE: Debugging

2005-11-11T18:36:50Z

Issue is with pipe and filter approach the only info you get in the log is

Index.cfm to 72 seconds to run.

Which doesn't tell you what circuit/fuse was causing the issue. Anyone got a
work around?

g

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Sent: Friday, November 11, 2005 9:03 PM
To: Fusebox
Subject: Re: Debugging

On 11/11/05, Mark Kecko <mark@...> wrote:
> I wrote a FB4.1 app that has worked fine for about 6 months. Recently
> something was introduced or something changed that's causing jrun
> errors on the site. Something happens that causes the FB runtime file
> to start taking a long time, 500ms or so, then requests start queueing
> up, then jrun error.

I'd start by enabling all the verbose GC options on jvm.args and enabling
monitoring in the JRun logs so you can get a sense of what the memory /
session usage is when the problem manifests.

I'd also enable the log slow pages option in the CF Admin (log everything
taking over 1 second perhaps).

That might at least give you a little bit more information about patterns of
usage around the time of failure.
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Re: Debugging

2005-11-11T18:03:12Z

On 11/11/05, Mark Kecko <mark@...> wrote:
> I wrote a FB4.1 app that has worked fine for about 6 months. Recently
> something was introduced or something changed that's causing jrun errors
> on the site. Something happens that causes the FB runtime file to start
> taking a long time, 500ms or so, then requests start queueing up, then
> jrun error.

I'd start by enabling all the verbose GC options on jvm.args and
enabling monitoring in the JRun logs so you can get a sense of what
the memory / session usage is when the problem manifests.

I'd also enable the log slow pages option in the CF Admin (log
everything taking over 1 second perhaps).

That might at least give you a little bit more information about
patterns of usage around the time of failure.
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Re: Any major sites out there on FB?

2005-11-11T16:13:38Z

In terms of file version control, Fusebox is no more prone to problems
than other approaches.

FB does make a project much easier to approach in teams, because the
files are much smaller, allowing developers to work in parallel instead
of waiting for each other to finish with large, multi-purpose files
(assuming pessimistic version control--see next paragraph).

Any development team must use version control of some kind. Otherwise,
changes will be lost at some point. My team uses the model Gabe
described: each developer has a local implementation of the application,
and the code base is stored in a version control system. We use a
locking (pessimistic) VCS, which means when I check out a file, no one
else can make changes until I check it back in. Other VCS systems use
an optimistic model, in which anyone can work on any file at any time;
when you check a file in, the VCS compares it with the official version
and allows you to merge any changes. The pessimistic model is fine for
smaller teams that work in constant communication with one another: if
someone forgets to check a file in (or release its lock), the project
manager can kick him in the head and make him unlock it. The optimistic
model is more flexible for larger or geographically diverse development
teams (which is why it is more popular with most OSS projects).

- Jeff

Duncan wrote:
> Great info thanks everyone!
>
> So whats the general concensus on working with FB in a team of 10 or so?
> Does it make it easier to prgress multiple projects at the same time or do
> you end up in more of a tangle with files in different versions than an app
> w/o FB?
>

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Debugging

2005-11-11T10:52:44Z

I wrote a FB4.1 app that has worked fine for about 6 months. Recently
something was introduced or something changed that's causing jrun errors
on the site. Something happens that causes the FB runtime file to start
taking a long time, 500ms or so, then requests start queueing up, then
jrun error.

I've combed the CF application logs with little success. Everything is
index.cfm! What's the best way to troubleshoot this app without having
to tear it apart?

Maybe I need to rub the budda ;)

Mark Kecko
Technology Director
MediaPost Communications
mark@...
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RE: Any major sites out there on FB?

2005-11-11T05:40:02Z

Try this
http://www.google.com/search?as_q=fuseaction&num=10&hl=en&btnG=Google+Search
&as_epq=&as_oq=&as_eq=&lr=&as_ft=i&as_filetype=&as_qdr=all&as_occt=url&as_dt
=i&as_sitesearch=.com&as_rights=&safe=images

Returns approximately 5.5 million results for com. If you want, try
searching other domains as well.

Sandy Clark

-----Original Message-----
From: Duncan [mailto:duncan.loxton@...]
Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2005 5:29 PM
To: Fusebox
Subject: Re: Any major sites out there on FB?

Gabe, could you expand on this slightly? I understand that we should
probably go to a situation where each developer will have to have an
installation (perhaps work locally). How does the CVS bit fit in? They cant
check out individual files because changes from the other team members wont
get pushed to their version. Therefore the local version is always out of
synch.

On 11/11/05, gabriel l smallman <gabe@...> wrote:

>
> I think you have to have each developer with there own installation or
> its madding. Which would force you to a cvs implementation. Which with
> a team that size is prob. The way you want to go.
>
> Gabe
>
> www.ufc.tv <http://www.ufc.tv>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Duncan [mailto:duncan.loxton@...]
> Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2005 4:09 PM
> To: Fusebox
> Subject: Any major sites out there on FB?
>
> Hi all,
>
> Before I ask the question - I want to point out I am a FB user of many
> years, and a convert, however I just moved companies and I am among
> sceptics who have diligently been building an app in a very random
> fashion.
>
> I believe its time to start again - and I also believe that FB is the
> way to go. They arent OO coders (so mach-II is out), and they are
> pretty smart, so I dont think it will be a big task for them to grasp.
>
> Its a global i18n app in its infancy really, and the language
> implementation isnt great by any stretch of the imagination. And there
> are many other problems that exist that I am trying to find ways of
> straightening out.
>
> I need some ammo to help get FB in the minds of those that count.
> Firstly I need to have some proof of major sites that use FB.
> Something on a global scale, prefereably i18n as well.
>
> Second one of the big problems right now is templates of 3000 ish
> lines (!).
> Now these templates get locked in to a process of project SDLC and
> another project cant get in there and progress to production without
> project one getting there first or at the same time. From a FB point
> of view how do you deal with this?
>
> Third - I am aware that there is a need to have FB4.1 in development
> mode whilst developing. My last company had 3 developers on one FB
> box, and it got frustrating at times because requests overlapped and
> the compile couldnt keep up. With 9 developers now, what model would
> we need to adopt with VSS (I am open to moving to CVS or similar) to
> allow developers to work smoothly?
>
> I know its a lot, but the size of the team and the magnitude of the
> problem I face is nothing like I have seen before.
>
> --
> Duncan I Loxton
> www.sixfive.co.uk <http://www.sixfive.co.uk>
> <http://www.sixfive.co.uk> duncan.loxton@...
>
> "I can only please one person per day. Today is not looking good.
> Tomorrow isn't looking much better." Dilbert
>
>
>
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Re: Fusebox: Digest every 8 hours

2005-11-10T21:38:00Z

On 11/10/05, Bonnie E. Betts <bbetts@...> wrote:
> I'm sorry,...... what is i18n????

Google gives this site as the number one result:

http://www.w3.org/International/

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Re: Any major sites out there on FB?

2005-11-10T18:29:49Z

Great info thanks everyone!

So whats the general concensus on working with FB in a team of 10 or so?
Does it make it easier to prgress multiple projects at the same time or do
you end up in more of a tangle with files in different versions than an app
w/o FB?

On 11/11/05, Jeff Peters <jeff@...> wrote:

>
> As for high-visibility Fusebox implementations, here are a few for
> references:
>
> RoomsToGo.com
> Many U.S. Senators (frist.senate.gov <http://frist.senate.gov>,
> specter.senate.gov <http://specter.senate.gov>, hagel,
> bunning, burr, etc., etc.)
> Many U.S. Representatives & committees (linder.house.gov<http://linder.house.gov>,
> jeffmiller,
> appropriations, etc.)
> AT&T Business Internet Services Help Center
> (https://help.attbusiness.net/index.cfm?*fuseaction*=downloads.home)
> U.S. Government's EnergyStar program (www.energystar.gov<http://www.energystar.gov>
> )
> Canon in South & Southeast Asia (JSP Fusebox)
> (http://www.canon-asia.com/index.jsp?fuseaction=digitalcamera)
> MySpace.com (one of the highest traffic sites on the net; parts of their
> site are Fusebox) (music.myspace.com/index.cfm?*fuseaction*=music<http://music.myspace.com/index.cfm?*fuseaction*=music>
> )
> NORAD (www.norad.mil <http://www.norad.mil>)
>
> - Jeff
>
> gabriel l smallman wrote:
> > I think you have to have each developer with there own installation or
> its
> > madding. Which would force you to a cvs implementation. Which with a
> team
> > that size is prob. The way you want to go.
> >
> > Gabe
> >
> > www.ufc.tv <http://www.ufc.tv>
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Duncan [mailto:duncan.loxton@...]
> > Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2005 4:09 PM
> > To: Fusebox
> > Subject: Any major sites out there on FB?
> >
> > Hi all,
> >
> > Before I ask the question - I want to point out I am a FB user of many
> > years, and a convert, however I just moved companies and I am among
> sceptics
> > who have diligently been building an app in a very random fashion.
> >
> > I believe its time to start again - and I also believe that FB is the
> way to
> > go. They arent OO coders (so mach-II is out), and they are pretty smart,
> so
> > I dont think it will be a big task for them to grasp.
> >
> > Its a global i18n app in its infancy really, and the language
> implementation
> > isnt great by any stretch of the imagination. And there are many other
> > problems that exist that I am trying to find ways of straightening out.
> >
> > I need some ammo to help get FB in the minds of those that count.
> Firstly I
> > need to have some proof of major sites that use FB. Something on a
> global
> > scale, prefereably i18n as well.
> >
> > Second one of the big problems right now is templates of 3000 ish lines
> (!).
> > Now these templates get locked in to a process of project SDLC and
> another
> > project cant get in there and progress to production without project one
> > getting there first or at the same time. From a FB point of view how do
> you
> > deal with this?
> >
> > Third - I am aware that there is a need to have FB4.1 in development
> mode
> > whilst developing. My last company had 3 developers on one FB box, and
> it
> > got frustrating at times because requests overlapped and the compile
> couldnt
> > keep up. With 9 developers now, what model would we need to adopt with
> VSS
> > (I am open to moving to CVS or similar) to allow developers to work
> > smoothly?
> >
> > I know its a lot, but the size of the team and the magnitude of the
> problem
> > I face is nothing like I have seen before.
> >
> > --
> > Duncan I Loxton
> > www.sixfive.co.uk <http://www.sixfive.co.uk> <http://www.sixfive.co.uk>
> duncan.loxton@...
> >
> > "I can only please one person per day. Today is not looking good.
> Tomorrow
> > isn't looking much better." Dilbert
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
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Re: Any major sites out there on FB?

2005-11-10T15:15:50Z

As for high-visibility Fusebox implementations, here are a few for
references:

RoomsToGo.com
Many U.S. Senators (frist.senate.gov, specter.senate.gov, hagel,
bunning, burr, etc., etc.)
Many U.S. Representatives & committees (linder.house.gov, jeffmiller,
appropriations, etc.)
AT&T Business Internet Services Help Center
(https://help.attbusiness.net/index.cfm?*fuseaction*=downloads.home)
U.S. Government's EnergyStar program (www.energystar.gov)
Canon in South & Southeast Asia (JSP Fusebox)
(http://www.canon-asia.com/index.jsp?fuseaction=digitalcamera)
MySpace.com (one of the highest traffic sites on the net; parts of their
site are Fusebox) (music.myspace.com/index.cfm?*fuseaction*=music)
NORAD (www.norad.mil)

- Jeff

gabriel l smallman wrote:

> I think you have to have each developer with there own installation or its
> madding. Which would force you to a cvs implementation. Which with a team
> that size is prob. The way you want to go.
>
> Gabe
>
> www.ufc.tv
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Duncan [mailto:duncan.loxton@...]
> Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2005 4:09 PM
> To: Fusebox
> Subject: Any major sites out there on FB?
>
> Hi all,
>
> Before I ask the question - I want to point out I am a FB user of many
> years, and a convert, however I just moved companies and I am among sceptics
> who have diligently been building an app in a very random fashion.
>
> I believe its time to start again - and I also believe that FB is the way to
> go. They arent OO coders (so mach-II is out), and they are pretty smart, so
> I dont think it will be a big task for them to grasp.
>
> Its a global i18n app in its infancy really, and the language implementation
> isnt great by any stretch of the imagination. And there are many other
> problems that exist that I am trying to find ways of straightening out.
>
> I need some ammo to help get FB in the minds of those that count. Firstly I
> need to have some proof of major sites that use FB. Something on a global
> scale, prefereably i18n as well.
>
> Second one of the big problems right now is templates of 3000 ish lines (!).
> Now these templates get locked in to a process of project SDLC and another
> project cant get in there and progress to production without project one
> getting there first or at the same time. From a FB point of view how do you
> deal with this?
>
> Third - I am aware that there is a need to have FB4.1 in development mode
> whilst developing. My last company had 3 developers on one FB box, and it
> got frustrating at times because requests overlapped and the compile couldnt
> keep up. With 9 developers now, what model would we need to adopt with VSS
> (I am open to moving to CVS or similar) to allow developers to work
> smoothly?
>
> I know its a lot, but the size of the team and the magnitude of the problem
> I face is nothing like I have seen before.
>
> --
> Duncan I Loxton
> www.sixfive.co.uk <http://www.sixfive.co.uk> duncan.loxton@...
>
> "I can only please one person per day. Today is not looking good. Tomorrow
> isn't looking much better." Dilbert
>
>
>
>
>

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RE: Any major sites out there on FB?

2005-11-10T14:41:44Z

I was thinking each person would have there own install and publish to a
development server. Cvs would manage the in/out and merging of files as
people brought them back and published them. So developers would sync with
the dev. Machine, then push changes to a staging machine where q&a is done.
Just a thought

g

-----Original Message-----
From: Duncan [mailto:duncan.loxton@...]
Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2005 5:29 PM
To: Fusebox
Subject: Re: Any major sites out there on FB?

Gabe, could you expand on this slightly? I understand that we should
probably go to a situation where each developer will have to have an
installation (perhaps work locally). How does the CVS bit fit in? They cant
check out individual files because changes from the other team members wont
get pushed to their version. Therefore the local version is always out of
synch.

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Re: Any major sites out there on FB?

2005-11-10T14:29:08Z

Gabe, could you expand on this slightly? I understand that we should
probably go to a situation where each developer will have to have an
installation (perhaps work locally). How does the CVS bit fit in? They cant
check out individual files because changes from the other team members wont
get pushed to their version. Therefore the local version is always out of
synch.

On 11/11/05, gabriel l smallman <gabe@...> wrote:

>
> I think you have to have each developer with there own installation or its
> madding. Which would force you to a cvs implementation. Which with a team
> that size is prob. The way you want to go.
>
> Gabe
>
> www.ufc.tv <http://www.ufc.tv>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Duncan [mailto:duncan.loxton@...]
> Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2005 4:09 PM
> To: Fusebox
> Subject: Any major sites out there on FB?
>
> Hi all,
>
> Before I ask the question - I want to point out I am a FB user of many
> years, and a convert, however I just moved companies and I am among
> sceptics
> who have diligently been building an app in a very random fashion.
>
> I believe its time to start again - and I also believe that FB is the way
> to
> go. They arent OO coders (so mach-II is out), and they are pretty smart,
> so
> I dont think it will be a big task for them to grasp.
>
> Its a global i18n app in its infancy really, and the language
> implementation
> isnt great by any stretch of the imagination. And there are many other
> problems that exist that I am trying to find ways of straightening out.
>
> I need some ammo to help get FB in the minds of those that count. Firstly
> I
> need to have some proof of major sites that use FB. Something on a global
> scale, prefereably i18n as well.
>
> Second one of the big problems right now is templates of 3000 ish lines
> (!).
> Now these templates get locked in to a process of project SDLC and another
> project cant get in there and progress to production without project one
> getting there first or at the same time. From a FB point of view how do
> you
> deal with this?
>
> Third - I am aware that there is a need to have FB4.1 in development mode
> whilst developing. My last company had 3 developers on one FB box, and it
> got frustrating at times because requests overlapped and the compile
> couldnt
> keep up. With 9 developers now, what model would we need to adopt with VSS
> (I am open to moving to CVS or similar) to allow developers to work
> smoothly?
>
> I know its a lot, but the size of the team and the magnitude of the
> problem
> I face is nothing like I have seen before.
>
> --
> Duncan I Loxton
> www.sixfive.co.uk <http://www.sixfive.co.uk> <http://www.sixfive.co.uk>
> duncan.loxton@...
>
> "I can only please one person per day. Today is not looking good. Tomorrow
> isn't looking much better." Dilbert
>
>
>
>
>

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Re: Fusebox: Digest every 8 hours

2005-11-10T13:14:12Z

I'm sorry,...... what is i18n????

Fusebox writes:

> Fusebox 10-Nov-05 Issue:105
> In this issue:
> Any major sites out there on FB?
>
>

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RE: Any major sites out there on FB?

2005-11-10T05:17:40Z

I think you have to have each developer with there own installation or its
madding. Which would force you to a cvs implementation. Which with a team
that size is prob. The way you want to go.

Gabe

www.ufc.tv

-----Original Message-----
From: Duncan [mailto:duncan.loxton@...]
Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2005 4:09 PM
To: Fusebox
Subject: Any major sites out there on FB?

Hi all,

Before I ask the question - I want to point out I am a FB user of many
years, and a convert, however I just moved companies and I am among sceptics
who have diligently been building an app in a very random fashion.

I believe its time to start again - and I also believe that FB is the way to
go. They arent OO coders (so mach-II is out), and they are pretty smart, so
I dont think it will be a big task for them to grasp.

Its a global i18n app in its infancy really, and the language implementation
isnt great by any stretch of the imagination. And there are many other
problems that exist that I am trying to find ways of straightening out.

I need some ammo to help get FB in the minds of those that count. Firstly I
need to have some proof of major sites that use FB. Something on a global
scale, prefereably i18n as well.

Second one of the big problems right now is templates of 3000 ish lines (!).
Now these templates get locked in to a process of project SDLC and another
project cant get in there and progress to production without project one
getting there first or at the same time. From a FB point of view how do you
deal with this?

Third - I am aware that there is a need to have FB4.1 in development mode
whilst developing. My last company had 3 developers on one FB box, and it
got frustrating at times because requests overlapped and the compile couldnt
keep up. With 9 developers now, what model would we need to adopt with VSS
(I am open to moving to CVS or similar) to allow developers to work
smoothly?

I know its a lot, but the size of the team and the magnitude of the problem
I face is nothing like I have seen before.

--
Duncan I Loxton
www.sixfive.co.uk <http://www.sixfive.co.uk> duncan.loxton@...

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Re: Any major sites out there on FB?

2005-11-09T13:57:47Z

Thanks Mike - I am looking for ideas on how to deal with these problems, not
specifically from myspace.

On 11/10/05, Mike Soultanian <msoultan@...> wrote:

>
> myspace.com <http://myspace.com> - I think it's the 4th largest site on
> the web.
> Unfortunately, I don't know the internal workings of their site
> development.
>
> Mike
>
> Duncan wrote:
> > Hi all,
> >
> > Before I ask the question - I want to point out I am a FB user of many
> > years, and a convert, however I just moved companies and I am among
> sceptics
> > who have diligently been building an app in a very random fashion.
> >
> > I believe its time to start again - and I also believe that FB is the
> way to
> > go. They arent OO coders (so mach-II is out), and they are pretty smart,
> so
> > I dont think it will be a big task for them to grasp.
> >
> > Its a global i18n app in its infancy really, and the language
> implementation
> > isnt great by any stretch of the imagination. And there are many other
> > problems that exist that I am trying to find ways of straightening out.
> >
> > I need some ammo to help get FB in the minds of those that count.
> Firstly I
> > need to have some proof of major sites that use FB. Something on a
> global
> > scale, prefereably i18n as well.
> >
> > Second one of the big problems right now is templates of 3000 ish lines
> (!).
> > Now these templates get locked in to a process of project SDLC and
> another
> > project cant get in there and progress to production without project one
> > getting there first or at the same time. From a FB point of view how do
> you
> > deal with this?
> >
> > Third - I am aware that there is a need to have FB4.1 in development
> mode
> > whilst developing. My last company had 3 developers on one FB box, and
> it
> > got frustrating at times because requests overlapped and the compile
> couldnt
> > keep up. With 9 developers now, what model would we need to adopt with
> VSS
> > (I am open to moving to CVS or similar) to allow developers to work
> > smoothly?
> >
> > I know its a lot, but the size of the team and the magnitude of the
> problem
> > I face is nothing like I have seen before.
> >
> > --
> > Duncan I Loxton
> > www.sixfive.co.uk <http://www.sixfive.co.uk> <http://www.sixfive.co.uk>
> > duncan.loxton@...
> >
> > "I can only please one person per day. Today is not looking good.
> Tomorrow
> > isn't looking much better." Dilbert
> >
> >
> >
>
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Re: Any major sites out there on FB?

2005-11-09T13:28:38Z

myspace.com - I think it's the 4th largest site on the web.
Unfortunately, I don't know the internal workings of their site
development.

Mike

Duncan wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> Before I ask the question - I want to point out I am a FB user of many
> years, and a convert, however I just moved companies and I am among sceptics
> who have diligently been building an app in a very random fashion.
>
> I believe its time to start again - and I also believe that FB is the way to
> go. They arent OO coders (so mach-II is out), and they are pretty smart, so
> I dont think it will be a big task for them to grasp.
>
> Its a global i18n app in its infancy really, and the language implementation
> isnt great by any stretch of the imagination. And there are many other
> problems that exist that I am trying to find ways of straightening out.
>
> I need some ammo to help get FB in the minds of those that count. Firstly I
> need to have some proof of major sites that use FB. Something on a global
> scale, prefereably i18n as well.
>
> Second one of the big problems right now is templates of 3000 ish lines (!).
> Now these templates get locked in to a process of project SDLC and another
> project cant get in there and progress to production without project one
> getting there first or at the same time. From a FB point of view how do you
> deal with this?
>
> Third - I am aware that there is a need to have FB4.1 in development mode
> whilst developing. My last company had 3 developers on one FB box, and it
> got frustrating at times because requests overlapped and the compile couldnt
> keep up. With 9 developers now, what model would we need to adopt with VSS
> (I am open to moving to CVS or similar) to allow developers to work
> smoothly?
>
> I know its a lot, but the size of the team and the magnitude of the problem
> I face is nothing like I have seen before.
>
> --
> Duncan I Loxton
> www.sixfive.co.uk <http://www.sixfive.co.uk>
> duncan.loxton@...
>
> "I can only please one person per day. Today is not looking good. Tomorrow
> isn't looking much better." Dilbert
>
>
>

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Any major sites out there on FB?

2005-11-09T13:09:17Z

Hi all,

Before I ask the question - I want to point out I am a FB user of many
years, and a convert, however I just moved companies and I am among sceptics
who have diligently been building an app in a very random fashion.

I believe its time to start again - and I also believe that FB is the way to
go. They arent OO coders (so mach-II is out), and they are pretty smart, so
I dont think it will be a big task for them to grasp.

Its a global i18n app in its infancy really, and the language implementation
isnt great by any stretch of the imagination. And there are many other
problems that exist that I am trying to find ways of straightening out.

I need some ammo to help get FB in the minds of those that count. Firstly I
need to have some proof of major sites that use FB. Something on a global
scale, prefereably i18n as well.

Second one of the big problems right now is templates of 3000 ish lines (!).
Now these templates get locked in to a process of project SDLC and another
project cant get in there and progress to production without project one
getting there first or at the same time. From a FB point of view how do you
deal with this?

Third - I am aware that there is a need to have FB4.1 in development mode
whilst developing. My last company had 3 developers on one FB box, and it
got frustrating at times because requests overlapped and the compile couldnt
keep up. With 9 developers now, what model would we need to adopt with VSS
(I am open to moving to CVS or similar) to allow developers to work
smoothly?

I know its a lot, but the size of the team and the magnitude of the problem
I face is nothing like I have seen before.

--
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Baffling error?

2005-11-03T10:09:51Z

Akkkk -
Thank you Sean for the correction, and sorry Andy for misleading you!

Stephen R. Cassady

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RE: Baffling error?

2005-11-03T01:50:14Z

'The issue that Andy lists is a bug in BlueDragon's implementation of
duplicate() (and does not affect the Fusebox core files).'

That is exactly the problem I was having Sean,

The issue was indeed with Bluedragon but this has been addressed and is, I
am told, fixed in release 6.2.1. However the same workaround, using
structcopy, worked here as well and got me merrily on my way again. :-)

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Re: Baffling error?

2005-11-02T20:14:56Z

On 10/31/05, Stephen Cassady <cassady@...> wrote:
> There's a solution for this in the forums I believe, where it was also an
> issue between two versions of CFMX. (I think). :-)

No, the CFMX issue was specifically an interaction between sandbox
security in 7.0 Enterprise and the Fusebox core files that caused one
of the calls to duplicate() to fail. The workarounds were:
- either replace calls to duplicate() with structCopy() in one of the
Fusebox core files
- or add a readonly sandbox access path to one of the WEB-INF lib JAR files.
The fix is included in CFMX 7.0.1.

The issue that Andy lists is a bug in BlueDragon's implementation of
duplicate() (and does not affect the Fusebox core files).
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RE: Baffling error?

2005-10-31T15:08:23Z

There's a solution for this in the forums I believe, where it was also an
issue between two versions of CFMX. (I think). :-)

But don't give up, it's a totally easy fix (just need to add one line of
code, about the same length to the app)!

Stephen R. Cassady
Owner
Lopedia

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Baffling error?

2005-10-31T09:00:31Z

Hi, trying to get a fusebox 4.1 app running on Bluedragon 6.2 Net and I am just about ready to give up. I know this error must be to do with Bluedragon as it does not happen on my Coldfusion installation, I am hoping that somebody has already come across this. I am sure that I saw somewhere, no idea where, a similar problem posted with a work around and I am hoping one of you guy's know where it is.

The error I get is as follows

'General Runtime Error

Could not duplicate this variable. Check the variable does not contain refrences to complex types such a Java Objects'

The code that is failing is this

<cfset request.ses = Duplicate(session)>

Any ideas?

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Re: Fusebox 4.1 & Bluedragon Configuration

2005-10-31T07:25:36Z

After playing around a little more I now also get the following error,

'An error during write of parsed file or parsing directory not found'

This must something to do with mappings but I have got myslef into total mess with trying to set this up.

> Hi all, I am having a torrid time getting my Fusebox 4.1 aplication to
> work with Bluedragon 6.2 .NET and I cannot see where I am going wrong.
>
>
> My WWWRoot folder is as follows
>
> WWWROOT

> FB4COREFILES

> (fusebox files)

> WEBSITEMAIN

> MYWEBSITEMAIN

> (index.cfm, fusebox.init.cfm, etc)

> MYWEBSITEADMIN

> (index.cfm, fusebox.init.cfm, etc)
>
> Now within my index.cfm for both sites I have the following
>
> <cfset FUSEBOX_APPLICATION_PATH = "">
> <cfinclude template="/FB4COREFILES/fusebox4.runtime.cfmx.cfm">
>
> This setup works fine for Coldfusion MX/7 but with exactly the same
> setup in Bluedragon I get the 'MissingInclude' error, have I missed
> out a maping or something? I have tried setting up a mapping as '/'
> with physical path setting the same as the path to 'wwwroot'. This is
> driving me nuts.

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Fusebox 4.1 & Bluedragon Configuration

2005-10-31T07:22:22Z

Hi all, I am having a torrid time getting my Fusebox 4.1 aplication to work with Bluedragon 6.2 .NET and I cannot see where I am going wrong.

My WWWRoot folder is as follows

WWWROOT
FB4COREFILES
(fusebox files)
WEBSITEMAIN
MYWEBSITEMAIN
(index.cfm, fusebox.init.cfm, etc)
MYWEBSITEADMIN
(index.cfm, fusebox.init.cfm, etc)

Now within my index.cfm for both sites I have the following

<cfset FUSEBOX_APPLICATION_PATH = "">
<cfinclude template="/FB4COREFILES/fusebox4.runtime.cfmx.cfm">

This setup works fine for Coldfusion MX/7 but with exactly the same setup in Bluedragon I get the 'MissingInclude' error, have I missed out a maping or something? I have tried setting up a mapping as '/' with physical path setting the same as the path to 'wwwroot'. This is driving me nuts.

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