Comparison of Chinese Wikipedia, Hudong and Baidu Baike

[Ziko van Dijk]

Hello,

Having read
http://edition.cnn.com/2009/TECH/10/14/wiki.china/
I would like to collect more information about the situation of online
encyclopedias in China Mainland. I am now browsing a litte bit around
with Google Translator, but it remains difficult to get an impression
concerning the following questions:
* how the collaboration process differs
* how good is the content
* how liberal is the content (not contamined directly or indirectly by
the government)
Does someone of you knows more?

Kind regards


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[Philippe Beaudette-2]

Hi Ziko  -

These are interesting questions... perhaps some of the folks on the  
strategic planning China Task Force could help with that?  I'd be  
interested in the answers as well.

Members are listed at http://strategy.wikimedia.org/wiki/China_Task_Force 
    and some questions of this nature are on the talk page.

Philippe


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On Oct 20, 2009, at 8:20 AM, Ziko van Dijk wrote:

> Hello,
>
> Having read
> http://edition.cnn.com/2009/TECH/10/14/wiki.china/
> I would like to collect more information about the situation of online
> encyclopedias in China Mainland. I am now browsing a litte bit around
> with Google Translator, but it remains difficult to get an impression
> concerning the following questions:
> * how the collaboration process differs
> * how good is the content
> * how liberal is the content (not contamined directly or indirectly by
> the government)
> Does someone of you knows more?
>
> Kind regards
>
>
> --
> Ziko van Dijk
> NL-Silvolde
>
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[Ziko van Dijk]

Hello Philippe,

I am looking forward to meet you tonight on the office hour chat. In
fact, I forgot about the China Task Force, good that you mention it.
Should anyone prefer to mail me personally for some (peticular)
reasons, that is possible, too.

Kind regards

Ziko

2009/10/20 Philippe Beaudette <pbeaudette@...>:

> Hi Ziko  -
>
> These are interesting questions... perhaps some of the folks on the
> strategic planning China Task Force could help with that?  I'd be
> interested in the answers as well.
>
> Members are listed at http://strategy.wikimedia.org/wiki/China_Task_Force
>    and some questions of this nature are on the talk page.
>
> Philippe
>
>
> ____________________
> Philippe Beaudette
> Facilitator, Strategic Planning
> Wikimedia Foundation
>
> philippe@...
>
>
> Imagine a world in which every human being can freely share in
> the sum of all knowledge.  Help us make it a reality!
>
> http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Donate
>
>
> On Oct 20, 2009, at 8:20 AM, Ziko van Dijk wrote:
>
>> Hello,
>>
>> Having read
>> http://edition.cnn.com/2009/TECH/10/14/wiki.china/
>> I would like to collect more information about the situation of online
>> encyclopedias in China Mainland. I am now browsing a litte bit around
>> with Google Translator, but it remains difficult to get an impression
>> concerning the following questions:
>> * how the collaboration process differs
>> * how good is the content
>> * how liberal is the content (not contamined directly or indirectly by
>> the government)
>> Does someone of you knows more?
>>
>> Kind regards
>>
>>
>> --
>> Ziko van Dijk
>> NL-Silvolde
>>
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[Jimmy Xu-2]

Hello,

First of all, apologize for any inconvenience made by my poor grammar.

As a Chinese, I should say, most people here knows (or uses) the Baidu
Baike, because Baidu is commonly known in China Mainland so its
service is well-known too. As for Hudong, although it's known as the
largest Chinese encyclopedia (per it's main page), I should say that
it's not so well-known as Baidu's. At least for me, I didn't heard
about it unless someone mentioned it in the Village Pump. And for
Zhwiki, the amount of users is increasing now because before the
Olympics last year, the Chinese government unblocked the Wikipedia.
As for the collaboration process, both Baidu and Hudong use a
manual-checking process. That is if you submit a "sensitive" edit, it
won't be displayed and possibly you'll be blocked without further
notice. (But, if you just "vandalize" these two sites, like add some
jokes, most of the time this would be passed and displayed...)
And as I know, the Wikipedia is the only which requires a reliable
source when adding something doubtful. So although "WIKIPEDIA MAKES NO
GUARANTEE OF VALIDITY", it's sure to be more reliable than the other
two.
After all, the last question: "how liberal is the content". The answer
to this question will also solve the problem why the Chinese Wikipedia
has fewer users from China Mainland. Because the server of the
Wikipedia is placed in the USA, the Chinese government cannot
"control" these (as it controls Baidu or Hudong or etc). So it use
something called the "GFW" to block the Wikipedia from being accessed
by China citizens since the Wikipedia is "neutral" and do not filter
information as the government wants. For example, if you attempted to
access [[:zh:六四事件]] (which is *very* "sensitive") you will see
"Connection was reset" and you'll be unable to use the Wikipedia in 90
seconds. That also produced a bad impression like oh, the site is
down. Clearly, you are not able to see any information about that on
the "intranet" of China.

That's something I can say about these three. Regards.

Jimmy Xu


On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 11:20 PM, Ziko van Dijk <zvandijk@...> wrote:

> Hello,
>
> Having read
> http://edition.cnn.com/2009/TECH/10/14/wiki.china/
> I would like to collect more information about the situation of online
> encyclopedias in China Mainland. I am now browsing a litte bit around
> with Google Translator, but it remains difficult to get an impression
> concerning the following questions:
> * how the collaboration process differs
> * how good is the content
> * how liberal is the content (not contamined directly or indirectly by
> the government)
> Does someone of you knows more?
>
> Kind regards
>
>
> --
> Ziko van Dijk
> NL-Silvolde
>
> _______________________________________________
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[Ziko van Dijk]

Thank you for the information!
I am curious what the ESP group about China will have to report.
Kind regards
Ziko


2009/10/20 Jimmy Xu <xu.jimmy.wrk@...>:

> Hello,
>
> First of all, apologize for any inconvenience made by my poor grammar.
>
> As a Chinese, I should say, most people here knows (or uses) the Baidu
> Baike, because Baidu is commonly known in China Mainland so its
> service is well-known too. As for Hudong, although it's known as the
> largest Chinese encyclopedia (per it's main page), I should say that
> it's not so well-known as Baidu's. At least for me, I didn't heard
> about it unless someone mentioned it in the Village Pump. And for
> Zhwiki, the amount of users is increasing now because before the
> Olympics last year, the Chinese government unblocked the Wikipedia.
> As for the collaboration process, both Baidu and Hudong use a
> manual-checking process. That is if you submit a "sensitive" edit, it
> won't be displayed and possibly you'll be blocked without further
> notice. (But, if you just "vandalize" these two sites, like add some
> jokes, most of the time this would be passed and displayed...)
> And as I know, the Wikipedia is the only which requires a reliable
> source when adding something doubtful. So although "WIKIPEDIA MAKES NO
> GUARANTEE OF VALIDITY", it's sure to be more reliable than the other
> two.
> After all, the last question: "how liberal is the content". The answer
> to this question will also solve the problem why the Chinese Wikipedia
> has fewer users from China Mainland. Because the server of the
> Wikipedia is placed in the USA, the Chinese government cannot
> "control" these (as it controls Baidu or Hudong or etc). So it use
> something called the "GFW" to block the Wikipedia from being accessed
> by China citizens since the Wikipedia is "neutral" and do not filter
> information as the government wants. For example, if you attempted to
> access [[:zh:六四事件]] (which is *very* "sensitive") you will see
> "Connection was reset" and you'll be unable to use the Wikipedia in 90
> seconds. That also produced a bad impression like oh, the site is
> down. Clearly, you are not able to see any information about that on
> the "intranet" of China.
>
> That's something I can say about these three. Regards.
>
> Jimmy Xu
>
>
> On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 11:20 PM, Ziko van Dijk <zvandijk@...> wrote:
>> Hello,
>>
>> Having read
>> http://edition.cnn.com/2009/TECH/10/14/wiki.china/
>> I would like to collect more information about the situation of online
>> encyclopedias in China Mainland. I am now browsing a litte bit around
>> with Google Translator, but it remains difficult to get an impression
>> concerning the following questions:
>> * how the collaboration process differs
>> * how good is the content
>> * how liberal is the content (not contamined directly or indirectly by
>> the government)
>> Does someone of you knows more?
>>
>> Kind regards
>>
>>
>> --
>> Ziko van Dijk
>> NL-Silvolde
>>
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