Confirm order before payment

[Rik Willems - Actiview]

Hi list,

I'm making use of an external Dutch payment system (iDEAL). This works
rather smooth with the extension I created for it. But, since this is
the simple implementation there is no direct link between the shop and
the payment system.

After completing the payment a customer HAS to click a link to back to
the site in order to confirm the order. Otherwise the order is not
registered in commerce. Than the payment is made but the order is not
tracable.

How can I confirm the order before going to the payment site? So after
the listing page and click on the 'next' button the order is confirmed
and than the payment page is opened.

Greets, Rik
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[Morten Olesen]

Hi Rik,

Why would you confirm ( I assume you mean create here ) the order before
the customer pays? - I mean you cannto be sure that the customer will go
on to pay, wich is why commerce doesn't create orders until payment is
completed.

Searching through TER I found this extension which migth be of help to you
http://typo3.org/extensions/repository/?tx_terfe_pi1[view]=search&no_cache=1&tx_terfe_pi1[sword]=iDEAL

it's fairly old, but as far as I know the payment system of commerce has
remained unchanged virtually since the first release.

if it doesn't work you may want to gently prod them about making a
paymentlib provider for their payment service ;-)

/Morten

Rik Willems wrote:

> Hi list,
>
> I'm making use of an external Dutch payment system (iDEAL). This works
> rather smooth with the extension I created for it. But, since this is
> the simple implementation there is no direct link between the shop and
> the payment system.
>
> After completing the payment a customer HAS to click a link to back to
> the site in order to confirm the order. Otherwise the order is not
> registered in commerce. Than the payment is made but the order is not
> tracable.
>
> How can I confirm the order before going to the payment site? So after
> the listing page and click on the 'next' button the order is confirmed
> and than the payment page is opened.
>
> Greets, Rik

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[Rik Willems - Actiview]

Hi Morten,

Thank you for your answer. The reason I want this is because my clients
uses an iDEAL version (called Lite) which isn't an integrated solution.
This means to be sure you have to check the payment dashboard for the
payment of an order.

When a customer pays in the external environment at the last step the
payment is confirmed, so the money is transfered. But than they have to
press a button to go back to commerce. Only after this step the order is
created. Now if they don't press that last button they have paid, but
there is no order. For this reason I'd like to confirm before sending to
the payment provider.

I have managed to get it working. Although it is not a beautiful
solution it is the best for this situation. And, I didn't touch the
commerce code at all.

Greets, Rik


Morten Olesen schreef:

> Hi Rik,
>
> Why would you confirm ( I assume you mean create here ) the order before
> the customer pays? - I mean you cannto be sure that the customer will go
> on to pay, wich is why commerce doesn't create orders until payment is
> completed.
>
> Searching through TER I found this extension which migth be of help to you
> http://typo3.org/extensions/repository/?tx_terfe_pi1[view]=search&no_cache=1&tx_terfe_pi1[sword]=iDEAL
>
>
> it's fairly old, but as far as I know the payment system of commerce has
> remained unchanged virtually since the first release.
>
> if it doesn't work you may want to gently prod them about making a
> paymentlib provider for their payment service ;-)
>
> /Morten
>
> Rik Willems wrote:
>> Hi list,
>>
>> I'm making use of an external Dutch payment system (iDEAL). This works
>> rather smooth with the extension I created for it. But, since this is
>> the simple implementation there is no direct link between the shop and
>> the payment system.
>>
>> After completing the payment a customer HAS to click a link to back to
>> the site in order to confirm the order. Otherwise the order is not
>> registered in commerce. Than the payment is made but the order is not
>> tracable.
>>
>> How can I confirm the order before going to the payment site? So after
>> the listing page and click on the 'next' button the order is confirmed
>> and than the payment page is opened.
>>
>> Greets, Rik

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[Ralf Merz-2]

Hi Rik,

does iDEAL offer something like a hiddentrigger? That means, if the
payment was successful on the payment page, the iDEAL Server calls a
URL, so called hiddentrigger-URL, in the backround, so you can finish
the order by your script. But have to be careful: If the hiddentrigger
finishes the order AND the customer clicks the button to come back,
you´ll have 2 orders.

Another idea:
can you change the iDEAL templates? Then I would just put a javascript
there with a window.onload function which automatically redirects to
your finish step.

Greets
Ralf

On 2009-10-06 09:14:11 +0200, Rik Willems <rik@...> said:

> Hi Morten,
>
> Thank you for your answer. The reason I want this is because my clients
> uses an iDEAL version (called Lite) which isn't an integrated solution.
> This means to be sure you have to check the payment dashboard for the
> payment of an order.
>
> When a customer pays in the external environment at the last step the
> payment is confirmed, so the money is transfered. But than they have to
> press a button to go back to commerce. Only after this step the order
> is created. Now if they don't press that last button they have paid,
> but there is no order. For this reason I'd like to confirm before
> sending to the payment provider.
>
> I have managed to get it working. Although it is not a beautiful
> solution it is the best for this situation. And, I didn't touch the
> commerce code at all.
>
> Greets, Rik
>
>
> Morten Olesen schreef:
>> Hi Rik,
>>
>> Why would you confirm ( I assume you mean create here ) the order
>> before the customer pays? - I mean you cannto be sure that the customer
>> will go on to pay, wich is why commerce doesn't create orders until
>> payment is completed.
>>
>> Searching through TER I found this extension which migth be of help to you
>> http://typo3.org/extensions/repository/?tx_terfe_pi1[view]=search&no_cache=1&tx_terfe_pi1[sword]=iDEAL

it's

>>
>> fairly old, but as far as I know the payment system of commerce has
>> remained unchanged virtually since the first release.
>>
>> if it doesn't work you may want to gently prod them about making a
>> paymentlib provider for their payment service ;-)
>>
>> /Morten
>>
>> Rik Willems wrote:
>>> Hi list,
>>>
>>> I'm making use of an external Dutch payment system (iDEAL). This works
>>> rather smooth with the extension I created for it. But, since this is
>>> the simple implementation there is no direct link between the shop and
>>> the payment system.
>>>
>>> After completing the payment a customer HAS to click a link to back to
>>> the site in order to confirm the order. Otherwise the order is not
>>> registered in commerce. Than the payment is made but the order is not
>>> tracable.
>>>
>>> How can I confirm the order before going to the payment site? So after
>>> the listing page and click on the 'next' button the order is confirmed
>>> and than the payment page is opened.
>>>
>>> Greets, Rik

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Dipl.-Ing. (FH)
merzilla
TYPO3 development, hosting, service

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[Rik Willems - Actiview]

Hi Ralf,

Thank you for thinking along. I did a quick search but can not find
anything about the hidden triggers. It is too bad, I can not change the
iDEAL template either.

Now I made a small extension that changes the behaviour of commerce,
although it is a little bit of a hack. But it does work. In case anybody
needs it they can contact me.

Greets, Rik

Ralf Merz schreef:

> Hi Rik,
>
> does iDEAL offer something like a hiddentrigger? That means, if the
> payment was successful on the payment page, the iDEAL Server calls a
> URL, so called hiddentrigger-URL, in the backround, so you can finish
> the order by your script. But have to be careful: If the hiddentrigger
> finishes the order AND the customer clicks the button to come back,
> you´ll have 2 orders.
>
> Another idea:
> can you change the iDEAL templates? Then I would just put a javascript
> there with a window.onload function which automatically redirects to
> your finish step.
>
> Greets
> Ralf
>
> On 2009-10-06 09:14:11 +0200, Rik Willems <rik@...> said:
>
>> Hi Morten,
>>
>> Thank you for your answer. The reason I want this is because my
>> clients uses an iDEAL version (called Lite) which isn't an integrated
>> solution. This means to be sure you have to check the payment
>> dashboard for the payment of an order.
>>
>> When a customer pays in the external environment at the last step the
>> payment is confirmed, so the money is transfered. But than they have
>> to press a button to go back to commerce. Only after this step the
>> order is created. Now if they don't press that last button they have
>> paid, but there is no order. For this reason I'd like to confirm
>> before sending to the payment provider.
>>
>> I have managed to get it working. Although it is not a beautiful
>> solution it is the best for this situation. And, I didn't touch the
>> commerce code at all.
>>
>> Greets, Rik
>>
>>
>> Morten Olesen schreef:
>>> Hi Rik,
>>>
>>> Why would you confirm ( I assume you mean create here ) the order
>>> before the customer pays? - I mean you cannto be sure that the
>>> customer will go on to pay, wich is why commerce doesn't create
>>> orders until payment is completed.
>>>
>>> Searching through TER I found this extension which migth be of help
>>> to you
>>> http://typo3.org/extensions/repository/?tx_terfe_pi1[view]=search&no_cache=1&tx_terfe_pi1[sword]=iDEAL
>>>
>
> it's
>>>
>>> fairly old, but as far as I know the payment system of commerce has
>>> remained unchanged virtually since the first release.
>>>
>>> if it doesn't work you may want to gently prod them about making a
>>> paymentlib provider for their payment service ;-)
>>>
>>> /Morten
>>>
>>> Rik Willems wrote:
>>>> Hi list,
>>>>
>>>> I'm making use of an external Dutch payment system (iDEAL). This
>>>> works rather smooth with the extension I created for it. But, since
>>>> this is the simple implementation there is no direct link between
>>>> the shop and the payment system.
>>>>
>>>> After completing the payment a customer HAS to click a link to back
>>>> to the site in order to confirm the order. Otherwise the order is
>>>> not registered in commerce. Than the payment is made but the order
>>>> is not tracable.
>>>>
>>>> How can I confirm the order before going to the payment site? So
>>>> after the listing page and click on the 'next' button the order is
>>>> confirmed and than the payment page is opened.
>>>>
>>>> Greets, Rik
>
>

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[Ralf Merz-2]

Hi Rik,

you´re welcome. :)
Hmmm... it´s a pity that the payment provider is not flexible in this
ways. You will always have customers who do not go back to your page,
because they think the order is done.

So, maybe you could explain what your hack does? Just for others to
find this solution easier, when they search in this list.

Do you save the order before step finish now?

Greets
Ralf


On 2009-10-12 11:00:54 +0200, Rik Willems <rik@...> said:

> Hi Ralf,
>
> Thank you for thinking along. I did a quick search but can not find
> anything about the hidden triggers. It is too bad, I can not change the
> iDEAL template either.
>
> Now I made a small extension that changes the behaviour of commerce,
> although it is a little bit of a hack. But it does work. In case
> anybody needs it they can contact me.
>
> Greets, Rik
>
> Ralf Merz schreef:
>> Hi Rik,
>>
>> does iDEAL offer something like a hiddentrigger? That means, if the
>> payment was successful on the payment page, the iDEAL Server calls a
>> URL, so called hiddentrigger-URL, in the backround, so you can finish
>> the order by your script. But have to be careful: If the hiddentrigger
>> finishes the order AND the customer clicks the button to come back,
>> you´ll have 2 orders.
>>
>> Another idea:
>> can you change the iDEAL templates? Then I would just put a javascript
>> there with a window.onload function which automatically redirects to
>> your finish step.
>>
>> Greets
>> Ralf
>>
>> On 2009-10-06 09:14:11 +0200, Rik Willems <rik@...> said:
>>
>>> Hi Morten,
>>>
>>> Thank you for your answer. The reason I want this is because my clients
>>> uses an iDEAL version (called Lite) which isn't an integrated solution.
>>> This means to be sure you have to check the payment dashboard for the
>>> payment of an order.
>>>
>>> When a customer pays in the external environment at the last step the
>>> payment is confirmed, so the money is transfered. But than they have to
>>> press a button to go back to commerce. Only after this step the order
>>> is created. Now if they don't press that last button they have paid,
>>> but there is no order. For this reason I'd like to confirm before
>>> sending to the payment provider.
>>>
>>> I have managed to get it working. Although it is not a beautiful
>>> solution it is the best for this situation. And, I didn't touch the
>>> commerce code at all.
>>>
>>> Greets, Rik
>>>
>>>
>>> Morten Olesen schreef:
>>>> Hi Rik,
>>>>
>>>> Why would you confirm ( I assume you mean create here ) the order
>>>> before the customer pays? - I mean you cannto be sure that the customer
>>>> will go on to pay, wich is why commerce doesn't create orders until
>>>> payment is completed.
>>>>
>>>> Searching through TER I found this extension which migth be of help to you
>>>> http://typo3.org/extensions/repository/?tx_terfe_pi1[view]=search&no_cache=1&tx_terfe_pi1[sword]=iDEAL

it's

fairly

>>>>
>>>> old, but as far as I know the payment system of commerce has remained
>>>> unchanged virtually since the first release.
>>>>
>>>> if it doesn't work you may want to gently prod them about making a
>>>> paymentlib provider for their payment service ;-)
>>>>
>>>> /Morten
>>>>
>>>> Rik Willems wrote:
>>>>> Hi list,
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm making use of an external Dutch payment system (iDEAL). This works
>>>>> rather smooth with the extension I created for it. But, since this is
>>>>> the simple implementation there is no direct link between the shop and
>>>>> the payment system.
>>>>>
>>>>> After completing the payment a customer HAS to click a link to back to
>>>>> the site in order to confirm the order. Otherwise the order is not
>>>>> registered in commerce. Than the payment is made but the order is not
>>>>> tracable.
>>>>>
>>>>> How can I confirm the order before going to the payment site? So after
>>>>> the listing page and click on the 'next' button the order is confirmed
>>>>> and than the payment page is opened.
>>>>>
>>>>> Greets, Rik

--
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Dipl.-Ing. (FH)
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TYPO3 development, hosting, service

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[Rik Willems - Actiview]

Hi Ralf,

Yeah that is too bad. But that is why it is called 'Lite' I guess. You
can also get a 'Professional' edition that offers more.

I copied a small part of the finishing function that adds the order to
db and sends the mails. This is now done before when a customers
continues to payment, after the listing. It also has a small piece of
code that disables the db write and mails in the finishing page. When a
user chooses prepayment it all functions as normally.

I hope that is clear. Let me know if it's not!

Greets, Rik

Ralf Merz schreef:

> Hi Rik,
>
> you´re welcome. :)
> Hmmm... it´s a pity that the payment provider is not flexible in this
> ways. You will always have customers who do not go back to your page,
> because they think the order is done.
>
> So, maybe you could explain what your hack does? Just for others to find
> this solution easier, when they search in this list.
>
> Do you save the order before step finish now?
>
> Greets
> Ralf
>
>
> On 2009-10-12 11:00:54 +0200, Rik Willems <rik@...> said:
>
>> Hi Ralf,
>>
>> Thank you for thinking along. I did a quick search but can not find
>> anything about the hidden triggers. It is too bad, I can not change
>> the iDEAL template either.
>>
>> Now I made a small extension that changes the behaviour of commerce,
>> although it is a little bit of a hack. But it does work. In case
>> anybody needs it they can contact me.
>>
>> Greets, Rik
>>
>> Ralf Merz schreef:
>>> Hi Rik,
>>>
>>> does iDEAL offer something like a hiddentrigger? That means, if the
>>> payment was successful on the payment page, the iDEAL Server calls a
>>> URL, so called hiddentrigger-URL, in the backround, so you can finish
>>> the order by your script. But have to be careful: If the
>>> hiddentrigger finishes the order AND the customer clicks the button
>>> to come back, you´ll have 2 orders.
>>>
>>> Another idea:
>>> can you change the iDEAL templates? Then I would just put a
>>> javascript there with a window.onload function which automatically
>>> redirects to your finish step.
>>>
>>> Greets
>>> Ralf
>>>
>>> On 2009-10-06 09:14:11 +0200, Rik Willems <rik@...> said:
>>>
>>>> Hi Morten,
>>>>
>>>> Thank you for your answer. The reason I want this is because my
>>>> clients uses an iDEAL version (called Lite) which isn't an
>>>> integrated solution. This means to be sure you have to check the
>>>> payment dashboard for the payment of an order.
>>>>
>>>> When a customer pays in the external environment at the last step
>>>> the payment is confirmed, so the money is transfered. But than they
>>>> have to press a button to go back to commerce. Only after this step
>>>> the order is created. Now if they don't press that last button they
>>>> have paid, but there is no order. For this reason I'd like to
>>>> confirm before sending to the payment provider.
>>>>
>>>> I have managed to get it working. Although it is not a beautiful
>>>> solution it is the best for this situation. And, I didn't touch the
>>>> commerce code at all.
>>>>
>>>> Greets, Rik
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Morten Olesen schreef:
>>>>> Hi Rik,
>>>>>
>>>>> Why would you confirm ( I assume you mean create here ) the order
>>>>> before the customer pays? - I mean you cannto be sure that the
>>>>> customer will go on to pay, wich is why commerce doesn't create
>>>>> orders until payment is completed.
>>>>>
>>>>> Searching through TER I found this extension which migth be of help
>>>>> to you
>>>>> http://typo3.org/extensions/repository/?tx_terfe_pi1[view]=search&no_cache=1&tx_terfe_pi1[sword]=iDEAL
>>>>>
>
> it's
>
> fairly
>>>>>
>>>>> old, but as far as I know the payment system of commerce has
>>>>> remained unchanged virtually since the first release.
>>>>>
>>>>> if it doesn't work you may want to gently prod them about making a
>>>>> paymentlib provider for their payment service ;-)
>>>>>
>>>>> /Morten
>>>>>
>>>>> Rik Willems wrote:
>>>>>> Hi list,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm making use of an external Dutch payment system (iDEAL). This
>>>>>> works rather smooth with the extension I created for it. But,
>>>>>> since this is the simple implementation there is no direct link
>>>>>> between the shop and the payment system.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> After completing the payment a customer HAS to click a link to
>>>>>> back to the site in order to confirm the order. Otherwise the
>>>>>> order is not registered in commerce. Than the payment is made but
>>>>>> the order is not tracable.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> How can I confirm the order before going to the payment site? So
>>>>>> after the listing page and click on the 'next' button the order is
>>>>>> confirmed and than the payment page is opened.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Greets, Rik
>
>

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