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Hello Kirill,
I kind of asked you this question via
twitter, but I thought of asking it again via email again since it is less
restricted.
Due to latest oracle law suit against
google, your recent interest towards javascript and google backing out of
javaone, will you continue to actively develop substance, flamingo and others
for Java? :)
Thanks,
Pedro DV
Re: Continuing development of substance, flamingo and others
Sorry for interrupting but your question makes me feel like the java is
dead. I just wana say my opinion about it. Oracle is a monster company i agree
but they are not stupid, they are looking for accelerating the ROI of Sun
investment (7.2B) they made by collecting all available resources from here
and there and this fight is one of this resources. but both companies will
continue develop for java because they already depend on it, both of them have
tons of code written and depend on Java and JVM. but sadly, this will slow
down the progress of innovation done by JCP and OpenJDK. lets hope this will
not effect java community.
Cheers,
Mina R Waheeb
On Monday 30 August 2010 12:37:01 am Pedro Duque Vieira wrote:
> Hello Kirill,
>
>
>
> I kind of asked you this question via twitter, but I thought of asking it
> again via email again since it is less restricted.
>
>
>
> Due to latest oracle law suit against google, your recent interest towards
> javascript and google backing out of javaone, will you continue to actively
> develop substance, flamingo and others for Java? :)
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Pedro DV
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RE: Continuing development of substance, flamingo and others
Not talking about if I agree or not with oracle law suit but I think Google made their own Java with Android, I don't think there was much contribution to the other original Java going on.
I hope I'm not saying anything stupid.
Cheers,
Pedro DV
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From: Mina R Waheeb [mailto:syncer@...]
Sent: segunda-feira, 30 de Agosto de 2010 01:59
To: users@... Subject: Re: Continuing development of substance, flamingo and others
Hi Pedro,
Sorry for interrupting but your question makes me feel like the java is
dead. I just wana say my opinion about it. Oracle is a monster company i agree
but they are not stupid, they are looking for accelerating the ROI of Sun
investment (7.2B) they made by collecting all available resources from here
and there and this fight is one of this resources. but both companies will
continue develop for java because they already depend on it, both of them have
tons of code written and depend on Java and JVM. but sadly, this will slow
down the progress of innovation done by JCP and OpenJDK. lets hope this will
not effect java community.
Cheers,
Mina R Waheeb
On Monday 30 August 2010 12:37:01 am Pedro Duque Vieira wrote:
> Hello Kirill,
>
>
>
> I kind of asked you this question via twitter, but I thought of asking it
> again via email again since it is less restricted.
>
>
>
> Due to latest oracle law suit against google, your recent interest towards
> javascript and google backing out of javaone, will you continue to actively
> develop substance, flamingo and others for Java? :)
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Pedro DV
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Re: Continuing development of substance, flamingo and others
Not talking about if I agree or not with oracle law suit but I think Google made their own Java with Android, I don't think there was much contribution to the other original Java going on.
I hope I'm not saying anything stupid.
Cheers,
Pedro DV
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From: Mina R Waheeb [mailto:syncer@...]
Sent: segunda-feira, 30 de Agosto de 2010 01:59
To: users@...
Subject: Re: Continuing development of substance, flamingo and others
Hi Pedro,
Sorry for interrupting but your question makes me feel like the java is
dead. I just wana say my opinion about it. Oracle is a monster company i agree
but they are not stupid, they are looking for accelerating the ROI of Sun
investment (7.2B) they made by collecting all available resources from here
and there and this fight is one of this resources. but both companies will
continue develop for java because they already depend on it, both of them have
tons of code written and depend on Java and JVM. but sadly, this will slow
down the progress of innovation done by JCP and OpenJDK. lets hope this will
not effect java community.
Cheers,
Mina R Waheeb
On Monday 30 August 2010 12:37:01 am Pedro Duque Vieira wrote:
> Hello Kirill,
>
>
>
> I kind of asked you this question via twitter, but I thought of asking it
> again via email again since it is less restricted.
>
>
>
> Due to latest oracle law suit against google, your recent interest towards
> javascript and google backing out of javaone, will you continue to actively
> develop substance, flamingo and others for Java? :)
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Pedro DV
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I am currently suspending support for Substance, Flamingo, Trident and related plugins / demo projects. I do not have any plans to delete any downloadable binaries, change the licensing terms or delete the projects themselves, or to allow others to take ownership of the original projects. Please respect the licensing terms.
Thanks Kirill
From: Pedro Duque Vieira <pedro.duquevieira@...> To:users@... Sent: Sun, August 29, 2010 5:37:01 PM Subject: Continuing development of substance, flamingo and others
Hello Kirill,
I kind of asked you this question via
twitter, but I thought of asking it again via email again since it is less
restricted.
Due to latest oracle law suit against
google, your recent interest towards javascript and google backing out of
javaone, will you continue to actively develop substance, flamingo and others
for Java? :)
Thanks,
Pedro DV
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Kirill,
That's REALLY bad news for the Java community. I can only hope you reconsider. Your Java work is excellent and very highly valued. Please don't leave us!
Cheers,
John C. Turnbull
On Tue Aug 31 4:35 , Kirill Grouchnikov sent:
I am currently suspending support for Substance, Flamingo, Trident and related plugins / demo projects. I do not have any plans to delete any downloadable binaries, change the licensing terms or delete the projects themselves, or to allow others to take ownership of the original projects. Please respect the licensing terms.
Thanks
Kirill
From: Pedro Duque Vieira To:users@... Sent: Sun, August 29, 2010 5:37:01 PM Subject: Continuing development of substance, flamingo and others
Hello Kirill,
I kind of asked you this question via
twitter, but I thought of asking it again via email again since it is less
restricted.
Due to latest oracle law suit against
google, your recent interest towards javascript and google backing out of
javaone, will you continue to actively develop substance, flamingo and others
for Java? :)
Thanks,
Pedro DV
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Re: Continuing development of substance, flamingo and others
Here is the bad news comes! Kirill, please give us a little more information. you dropped the support or the development? and is that for personal reasons or because what happening to overall java community?
That's REALLY bad news for the Java community. I can only hope you reconsider. Your Java work is excellent and very highly valued. Please don't leave us!
Cheers,
John C. Turnbull
On Tue Aug 31 4:35 , Kirill Grouchnikov sent:
I am currently suspending support for Substance, Flamingo, Trident and related plugins / demo projects. I do not have any plans to delete any downloadable binaries, change the licensing terms or delete the projects themselves, or to allow others to take ownership of the original projects. Please respect the licensing terms.
Thanks
Kirill
From: Pedro Duque Vieira
To:users@... Sent: Sun, August 29, 2010 5:37:01 PM Subject: Continuing development of substance, flamingo and others
Hello Kirill,
I kind of asked you this question via
twitter, but I thought of asking it again via email again since it is less
restricted.
Due to latest oracle law suit against
google, your recent interest towards javascript and google backing out of
javaone, will you continue to actively develop substance, flamingo and others
for Java? :)
Thanks,
Pedro DV
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Re: Continuing development of substance, flamingo and others
Would you please blog something about this, give your users a sort of goodbye-message here, explanation of what is going on?!
Thanks,
Endre.
On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 22:35, Kirill Grouchnikov <kirillcool@...> wrote:
I am currently suspending support for Substance, Flamingo, Trident and related plugins / demo projects. I do not have any plans to delete any downloadable binaries, change the licensing terms or delete the projects themselves, or to allow others to take ownership of the original projects. Please respect the licensing terms.
Sent: Sun, August 29, 2010 5:37:01 PM Subject: Continuing development of substance, flamingo and others
Hello Kirill,
I kind of asked you this question via
twitter, but I thought of asking it again via email again since it is less
restricted.
Due to latest oracle law suit against
google, your recent interest towards javascript and google backing out of
javaone, will you continue to actively develop substance, flamingo and others
for Java? :)
Thanks,
Pedro DV
Re: Continuing development of substance, flamingo and others
Would you please blog something about this, give your users a sort of goodbye-message here, explanation of what is going on?!
Thanks,
Endre.
On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 22:35, Kirill Grouchnikov <kirillcool@...> wrote:
I am currently suspending support for Substance, Flamingo, Trident and related plugins / demo projects. I do not have any plans to delete any downloadable binaries, change the licensing terms or delete the projects themselves, or to allow others to take ownership of the original projects. Please respect the licensing terms.
Sent: Sun, August 29, 2010 5:37:01 PM Subject: Continuing development of substance, flamingo and others
Hello Kirill,
I kind of asked you this question via
twitter, but I thought of asking it again via email again since it is less
restricted.
Due to latest oracle law suit against
google, your recent interest towards javascript and google backing out of
javaone, will you continue to actively develop substance, flamingo and others
for Java? :)
Thanks,
Pedro DV
Re: Continuing development of substance, flamingo and others
Would you please blog something about this, give your users a
sort of goodbye-message here, explanation of what is going on?!
Thanks,
Endre.
On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 22:35, Kirill
Grouchnikov <kirillcool@...>
wrote:
I am
currently suspending support for Substance, Flamingo, Trident and
related plugins / demo projects. I do not have any plans to delete any
downloadable binaries, change the licensing terms or delete the
projects themselves, or to allow others to take ownership of the
original projects. Please respect the licensing terms.
Sent: Sun, August
29, 2010 5:37:01 PM Subject:
Continuing development of substance, flamingo and others
Hello Kirill,
I kind of asked you this
question via
twitter, but I thought of asking it again via email again since it is
less
restricted.
Due to latest oracle law
suit against
google, your recent interest towards javascript and google backing out
of
javaone, will you continue to actively develop substance, flamingo and
others
for Java? :)
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Martin Cavanagh
Hello Kirill,
I would also like to thank you for your work. You made a very
positive contribution to the desktop side of Java.
Your libraries have made a big difference on my projects by
helping to greatly improve their design and usability.
This is a great loss to Java desktop community and we’ll
surely miss you.
Once again thanks and good luck with your future projects. :)
Pedro Duque Vieira
From:
Martin Cavanagh [mailto:cavanagh@...] Sent: terça-feira, 31 de Agosto de 2010 16:50 To:users@... Subject: Re: Continuing development of substance, flamingo and others
Hello Kirill.
This is a real pity.
Substance was/is a real pleasure to use.
Thanks for all your work.
Martin C.
Feras Odeh wrote:
I'm really sorry for that !!!
This will be a great loss for the java community.
Would you please blog something about this, give your users
a sort of goodbye-message here, explanation of what is going on?!
Thanks,
Endre.
On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 22:35, Kirill Grouchnikov <kirillcool@...>
wrote:
I
am currently suspending support for Substance, Flamingo, Trident and related
plugins / demo projects. I do not have any plans to delete any
downloadable binaries, change the licensing terms or delete the projects
themselves, or to allow others to take ownership of the original
projects. Please respect the licensing terms.
Sent: Sun, August 29,
2010 5:37:01 PM Subject: Continuing development of substance, flamingo and others
Hello Kirill,
I kind of asked you this question via twitter, but I thought of
asking it again via email again since it is less restricted.
Due to latest oracle law suit against google, your recent interest
towards javascript and google backing out of javaone, will you continue to
actively develop substance, flamingo and others for Java? :)
Thanks,
Pedro DV
--
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Con-Sense GmbH
Java Entwicklung Tel.: 0541 800 83 - 0
Fax: 0541 800 83 - 99 cavanagh@...
I would really really appreciate some more clarity also.
Is this a temporary "suspension" or is this the end of all these projects ?
It would have been nice if it was wound down (i.e. continuing bug fixing but no new features for a lttle while) - but this abrupt halt is a bit unexpected/sudden - I can only hope it's temporary!
Substance has become an intrinsic part of my current project - I guess its time for me to start digging a bit deeper into the code to resolve my own issues now!
But as echoed below it really deserves a blog post on pushing-pixels at least...
Endre Stølsvik-8 wrote:
Seriously?!
Would you please blog something about this, give your users a sort of
goodbye-message here, explanation of what is going on?!
Thanks,
Endre.
On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 22:35, Kirill Grouchnikov <kirillcool@yahoo.com>wrote:
> I am currently suspending support for Substance, Flamingo, Trident and
> related plugins / demo projects. I do not have any plans to delete any
> downloadable binaries, change the licensing terms or delete the projects
> themselves, or to allow others to take ownership of the original projects.
> Please respect the licensing terms.
>
> Thanks
> Kirill
>
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* Pedro Duque Vieira <pedro.duquevieira@gmail.com>
>
> *To:* users@substance.dev.java.net
> *Sent:* Sun, August 29, 2010 5:37:01 PM
> *Subject:* Continuing development of substance, flamingo and others
>
> Hello Kirill,
>
>
>
> I kind of asked you this question via twitter, but I thought of asking it
> again via email again since it is less restricted.
>
>
>
> Due to latest oracle law suit against google, your recent interest towards
> javascript and google backing out of javaone, will you continue to actively
> develop substance, flamingo and others for Java? :)
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Pedro DV
>
>
Re: Continuing development of substance, flamingo and others
I can only assume that this was a very difficult decision to make. I assume there is nothing the community can do to change your mind, else you would have mentioned it by now. Out of pure curiosity, can you please elaborate on why this is happening?
I've seen many Java Desktop projects fall by the wayside over the past 2 years and I'd like to know what is going on. If you can't comment because of legal or professional concerns, I would appreciate you stating as much.
Kind Regards,
Gili
Kirill Grouchnikov wrote:
I am currently suspending support for Substance, Flamingo, Trident and related
plugins / demo projects. I do not have any plans to delete any downloadable
binaries, change the licensing terms or delete the projects themselves, or to
allow others to take ownership of the original projects. Please respect the
licensing terms.
Thanks
Kirill
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From: Pedro Duque Vieira <pedro.duquevieira@gmail.com>
To: users@substance.dev.java.net
Sent: Sun, August 29, 2010 5:37:01 PM
Subject: Continuing development of substance, flamingo and others
Hello Kirill,
I kind of asked you this question via twitter, but I thought of asking it again
via email again since it is less restricted.
Due to latest oracle law suit against google, your recent interest towards
javascript and google backing out of javaone, will you continue to actively
develop substance, flamingo and others for Java? :)
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