Correct License citation

[hazam]

Hi all,
I used velocity in a product, and since the License is Apache 2.0 I want to
include correct reference in the About screen of the application.
The library served for templating XML over HTTP requests, and was used as is
in his 1.6.2 version.
How should I report correctly in this About screen of the application? What
is your preferred wording?
Thanks a lot

-Frank

[Nathan Bubna]

You aren't actually required to put reference of this in the About
screen of the app.  If you are distributing the application, my
understanding is that you should put attribution in a NOTICE file, but
if not distributing (and just running on your own server), you don't
*need* to do anything license-wise.   If you wish to give credit,
however, typically the phrase "Powered by Apache Velocity" with
"Apache Velocity" being a link to http://velocity.apache.org would be
appreciated.

On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 4:49 AM, Hazam <hazam@...> wrote:

> Hi all,
> I used velocity in a product, and since the License is Apache 2.0 I want to
> include correct reference in the About screen of the application.
> The library served for templating XML over HTTP requests, and was used as is
> in his 1.6.2 version.
> How should I report correctly in this About screen of the application? What
> is your preferred wording?
> Thanks a lot
>
> -Frank
>

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[Emanuele Di Saverio]

Thanks for you answer Nathan!The problem is that I'm using it in a
commercially distributed mobile application, and it gets distributed in an
application package that cannot be inspected by the user.

So how can I do? I want to be absolutely sure that I don't get sued by ASF
:)

On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 9:25 PM, Nathan Bubna <nbubna@...> wrote:

> You aren't actually required to put reference of this in the About
> screen of the app.  If you are distributing the application, my
> understanding is that you should put attribution in a NOTICE file, but
> if not distributing (and just running on your own server), you don't
> *need* to do anything license-wise.   If you wish to give credit,
> however, typically the phrase "Powered by Apache Velocity" with
> "Apache Velocity" being a link to http://velocity.apache.org would be
> appreciated.
>
> On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 4:49 AM, Hazam <hazam@...> wrote:
> > Hi all,
> > I used velocity in a product, and since the License is Apache 2.0 I want
> to
> > include correct reference in the About screen of the application.
> > The library served for templating XML over HTTP requests, and was used as
> is
> > in his 1.6.2 version.
> > How should I report correctly in this About screen of the application?
> What
> > is your preferred wording?
> > Thanks a lot
> >
> > -Frank
> >
>
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[Nathan Bubna]

Then just follow the terms of the license.

http://www.apache.org/foundation/licence-FAQ.html

It's really not complicated.

On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 12:58 PM, Emanuele Di Saverio
<emanuele.disaverio@...> wrote:

> Thanks for you answer Nathan!The problem is that I'm using it in a
> commercially distributed mobile application, and it gets distributed in an
> application package that cannot be inspected by the user.
>
> So how can I do? I want to be absolutely sure that I don't get sued by ASF
> :)
>
> On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 9:25 PM, Nathan Bubna <nbubna@...> wrote:
>
>> You aren't actually required to put reference of this in the About
>> screen of the app.  If you are distributing the application, my
>> understanding is that you should put attribution in a NOTICE file, but
>> if not distributing (and just running on your own server), you don't
>> *need* to do anything license-wise.   If you wish to give credit,
>> however, typically the phrase "Powered by Apache Velocity" with
>> "Apache Velocity" being a link to http://velocity.apache.org would be
>> appreciated.
>>
>> On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 4:49 AM, Hazam <hazam@...> wrote:
>> > Hi all,
>> > I used velocity in a product, and since the License is Apache 2.0 I want
>> to
>> > include correct reference in the About screen of the application.
>> > The library served for templating XML over HTTP requests, and was used as
>> is
>> > in his 1.6.2 version.
>> > How should I report correctly in this About screen of the application?
>> What
>> > is your preferred wording?
>> > Thanks a lot
>> >
>> > -Frank
>> >
>>
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[Emanuele Di Saverio]

Thanks again Nathan.
Looking at the FAQ you pointed me is actually ambiguous what should I have
to do.
It seems that I have to include the whole LICENSE in every redistribution,
so I should give a copy
of license at every user who downloads my application package (and that is
impossible due to
the medium we are using - application packages), or I should include the
WHOLE license somewhere in
the application?
Reading the license itself doesn't help much.
Should I post this on another, more law-ish ASF mailing list?

-Emanuele


On Sat, Sep 19, 2009 at 12:58 AM, Nathan Bubna <nbubna@...> wrote:

> Then just follow the terms of the license.
>
> http://www.apache.org/foundation/licence-FAQ.html
>
> It's really not complicated.
>
> On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 12:58 PM, Emanuele Di Saverio
> <emanuele.disaverio@...> wrote:
> > Thanks for you answer Nathan!The problem is that I'm using it in a
> > commercially distributed mobile application, and it gets distributed in
> an
> > application package that cannot be inspected by the user.
> >
> > So how can I do? I want to be absolutely sure that I don't get sued by
> ASF
> > :)
> >
> > On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 9:25 PM, Nathan Bubna <nbubna@...> wrote:
> >
> >> You aren't actually required to put reference of this in the About
> >> screen of the app.  If you are distributing the application, my
> >> understanding is that you should put attribution in a NOTICE file, but
> >> if not distributing (and just running on your own server), you don't
> >> *need* to do anything license-wise.   If you wish to give credit,
> >> however, typically the phrase "Powered by Apache Velocity" with
> >> "Apache Velocity" being a link to http://velocity.apache.org would be
> >> appreciated.
> >>
> >> On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 4:49 AM, Hazam <hazam@...> wrote:
> >> > Hi all,
> >> > I used velocity in a product, and since the License is Apache 2.0 I
> want
> >> to
> >> > include correct reference in the About screen of the application.
> >> > The library served for templating XML over HTTP requests, and was used
> as
> >> is
> >> > in his 1.6.2 version.
> >> > How should I report correctly in this About screen of the application?
> >> What
> >> > is your preferred wording?
> >> > Thanks a lot
> >> >
> >> > -Frank
> >> >
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[Antonio Petrelli-3]

2009/9/19 Emanuele Di Saverio <emanuele.disaverio@...>:
> It seems that I have to include the whole LICENSE in every redistribution,
> so I should give a copy
> of license at every user who downloads my application package (and that is
> impossible due to
> the medium we are using - application packages)

Sorry but what kind of package are you providing? It seems strange
that you cannot put a license file inside a zip-like package.

Antonio

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[Emanuele Di Saverio]

It's a mobile application for Android Platform, and binaries get
distributedthrough
the App Store in .apk format.
I could include whatever file in this package, but the user will never see
it
and Velocity will not get credit.
I thought I had to put somehting in the "About" screen of the application,
I just were not sure what is the minimum legally acceptable things to write.

-Emanuele

On Sat, Sep 19, 2009 at 2:18 PM, Antonio Petrelli <
antonio.petrelli@...> wrote:

> 2009/9/19 Emanuele Di Saverio <emanuele.disaverio@...>:
> > It seems that I have to include the whole LICENSE in every
> redistribution,
> > so I should give a copy
> > of license at every user who downloads my application package (and that
> is
> > impossible due to
> > the medium we are using - application packages)
>
> Sorry but what kind of package are you providing? It seems strange
> that you cannot put a license file inside a zip-like package.
>
> Antonio
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[sebb-2-2]

On 19/09/2009, Emanuele Di Saverio <emanuele.disaverio@...> wrote:
> It's a mobile application for Android Platform, and binaries get
>  distributedthrough
>  the App Store in .apk format.
>  I could include whatever file in this package, but the user will never see
>  it
>  and Velocity will not get credit.

Can you put the license on the App Store?

>  I thought I had to put somehting in the "About" screen of the application,
>  I just were not sure what is the minimum legally acceptable things to write.
>
>  -Emanuele
>
>
>  On Sat, Sep 19, 2009 at 2:18 PM, Antonio Petrelli <
>  antonio.petrelli@...> wrote:
>
>  > 2009/9/19 Emanuele Di Saverio <emanuele.disaverio@...>:
>  > > It seems that I have to include the whole LICENSE in every
>  > redistribution,
>  > > so I should give a copy
>  > > of license at every user who downloads my application package (and that
>  > is
>  > > impossible due to
>  > > the medium we are using - application packages)
>  >
>  > Sorry but what kind of package are you providing? It seems strange
>  > that you cannot put a license file inside a zip-like package.
>  >
>  > Antonio
>  >
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[Emanuele Di Saverio]

No I just submit my application package, all bundled in: classes, resources,
and Velocity jar.
On Sat, Sep 19, 2009 at 2:47 PM, sebb <sebbaz@...> wrote:

> On 19/09/2009, Emanuele Di Saverio <emanuele.disaverio@...> wrote:
> > It's a mobile application for Android Platform, and binaries get
> >  distributedthrough
> >  the App Store in .apk format.
> >  I could include whatever file in this package, but the user will never
> see
> >  it
> >  and Velocity will not get credit.
>
> Can you put the license on the App Store?
>
> >  I thought I had to put somehting in the "About" screen of the
> application,
> >  I just were not sure what is the minimum legally acceptable things to
> write.
> >
> >  -Emanuele
> >
> >
> >  On Sat, Sep 19, 2009 at 2:18 PM, Antonio Petrelli <
> >  antonio.petrelli@...> wrote:
> >
> >  > 2009/9/19 Emanuele Di Saverio <emanuele.disaverio@...>:
> >  > > It seems that I have to include the whole LICENSE in every
> >  > redistribution,
> >  > > so I should give a copy
> >  > > of license at every user who downloads my application package (and
> that
> >  > is
> >  > > impossible due to
> >  > > the medium we are using - application packages)
> >  >
> >  > Sorry but what kind of package are you providing? It seems strange
> >  > that you cannot put a license file inside a zip-like package.
> >  >
> >  > Antonio
> >  >
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[sebb-2-2]

OK - so how to other Android applications handle this?

On 19/09/2009, Emanuele Di Saverio <emanuele.disaverio@...> wrote:

> No I just submit my application package, all bundled in: classes, resources,
>  and Velocity jar.
>
> On Sat, Sep 19, 2009 at 2:47 PM, sebb <sebbaz@...> wrote:
>
>  > On 19/09/2009, Emanuele Di Saverio <emanuele.disaverio@...> wrote:
>  > > It's a mobile application for Android Platform, and binaries get
>  > >  distributedthrough
>  > >  the App Store in .apk format.
>  > >  I could include whatever file in this package, but the user will never
>  > see
>  > >  it
>  > >  and Velocity will not get credit.
>  >
>  > Can you put the license on the App Store?
>  >
>  > >  I thought I had to put somehting in the "About" screen of the
>  > application,
>  > >  I just were not sure what is the minimum legally acceptable things to
>  > write.
>  > >
>  > >  -Emanuele
>  > >
>  > >
>  > >  On Sat, Sep 19, 2009 at 2:18 PM, Antonio Petrelli <
>  > >  antonio.petrelli@...> wrote:
>  > >
>  > >  > 2009/9/19 Emanuele Di Saverio <emanuele.disaverio@...>:
>  > >  > > It seems that I have to include the whole LICENSE in every
>  > >  > redistribution,
>  > >  > > so I should give a copy
>  > >  > > of license at every user who downloads my application package (and
>  > that
>  > >  > is
>  > >  > > impossible due to
>  > >  > > the medium we are using - application packages)
>  > >  >
>  > >  > Sorry but what kind of package are you providing? It seems strange
>  > >  > that you cannot put a license file inside a zip-like package.
>  > >  >
>  > >  > Antonio
>  > >  >
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[Nathan Bubna]

It should be quite sufficient to include the LICENSE and NOTICE in the
apk package and drop a "Powered by Apache Velocity" (with link) in the
About screen.  At that point, you have included a license (as
required) and provided clear attribution in both a NOTICE file and
your About screen.  That's more than a lot of apps out there that
we've never sued.  I've never heard anyone say anything about making
sure the user sees the license, just that they receive a copy.  If
they've downloaded your apk, they've received a copy.  It's really not
meant to be that difficult.  We want you to use our software.  So long
as you're not flagrantly violating the license terms, it's extremely
unlikely that the ASF will care enough to sue.  If we found out
someone failed to include the license when redistributing the
software, the first reaction would be merely to tell them to include
it, not to sue.  If you want to get sued, then start misusing the
Apache trademark or try to sell Velocity as if it were your own
software.  Again, this is free software of the non-viral/GPL sort,
it's not meant to be that difficult to use and redistribute.

On Sat, Sep 19, 2009 at 5:32 AM, Emanuele Di Saverio
<emanuele.disaverio@...> wrote:

> It's a mobile application for Android Platform, and binaries get
> distributedthrough
> the App Store in .apk format.
> I could include whatever file in this package, but the user will never see
> it
> and Velocity will not get credit.
> I thought I had to put somehting in the "About" screen of the application,
> I just were not sure what is the minimum legally acceptable things to write.
>
> -Emanuele
>
> On Sat, Sep 19, 2009 at 2:18 PM, Antonio Petrelli <
> antonio.petrelli@...> wrote:
>
>> 2009/9/19 Emanuele Di Saverio <emanuele.disaverio@...>:
>> > It seems that I have to include the whole LICENSE in every
>> redistribution,
>> > so I should give a copy
>> > of license at every user who downloads my application package (and that
>> is
>> > impossible due to
>> > the medium we are using - application packages)
>>
>> Sorry but what kind of package are you providing? It seems strange
>> that you cannot put a license file inside a zip-like package.
>>
>> Antonio
>>
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[Emanuele Di Saverio]

Thanks a lot Nathan,now I understand better the rationale behind Apache
License.
I will strictly follow your advice.

-Emanuele

On Sat, Sep 19, 2009 at 6:18 PM, Nathan Bubna <nbubna@...> wrote:

> It should be quite sufficient to include the LICENSE and NOTICE in the
> apk package and drop a "Powered by Apache Velocity" (with link) in the
> About screen.  At that point, you have included a license (as
> required) and provided clear attribution in both a NOTICE file and
> your About screen.  That's more than a lot of apps out there that
> we've never sued.  I've never heard anyone say anything about making
> sure the user sees the license, just that they receive a copy.  If
> they've downloaded your apk, they've received a copy.  It's really not
> meant to be that difficult.  We want you to use our software.  So long
> as you're not flagrantly violating the license terms, it's extremely
> unlikely that the ASF will care enough to sue.  If we found out
> someone failed to include the license when redistributing the
> software, the first reaction would be merely to tell them to include
> it, not to sue.  If you want to get sued, then start misusing the
> Apache trademark or try to sell Velocity as if it were your own
> software.  Again, this is free software of the non-viral/GPL sort,
> it's not meant to be that difficult to use and redistribute.
>
> On Sat, Sep 19, 2009 at 5:32 AM, Emanuele Di Saverio
> <emanuele.disaverio@...> wrote:
> > It's a mobile application for Android Platform, and binaries get
> > distributedthrough
> > the App Store in .apk format.
> > I could include whatever file in this package, but the user will never
> see
> > it
> > and Velocity will not get credit.
> > I thought I had to put somehting in the "About" screen of the
> application,
> > I just were not sure what is the minimum legally acceptable things to
> write.
> >
> > -Emanuele
> >
> > On Sat, Sep 19, 2009 at 2:18 PM, Antonio Petrelli <
> > antonio.petrelli@...> wrote:
> >
> >> 2009/9/19 Emanuele Di Saverio <emanuele.disaverio@...>:
> >> > It seems that I have to include the whole LICENSE in every
> >> redistribution,
> >> > so I should give a copy
> >> > of license at every user who downloads my application package (and
> that
> >> is
> >> > impossible due to
> >> > the medium we are using - application packages)
> >>
> >> Sorry but what kind of package are you providing? It seems strange
> >> that you cannot put a license file inside a zip-like package.
> >>
> >> Antonio
> >>
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