DIAG 8 not working with snapshot form October 14th.

[Rocky-11]

I recently installed the October 14th. snapshot.
Until then I had been using the base 3.06 version.

Several improvements - most notable is almost no Fixed point divide errors. (at least for the last 4 days.

However the DIAG 8 command does not seem to work.
Performed two tests on this today with exactly the same configurations and same OS and disks. (just changed the executable Library.



Using herc 3.06 it works fine.
Using the snapshot from October 14th diagnose 8 it does not work

a) message does not make it to Hercules -- (or the GUI)
b) No response is sent to TSO
 
I have the logs and screen prints if necessary but the developers may have a hint about this.

Is there a web page somewhere that explains the changes/improvements of each of the snapshots?

Like to know what areas the snapshts are addressing so that we know what to test. This might proove helpful to the developers as well as the end users.

Roc

[laddiehanus-2]

--- In hercules-390@..., "rocsystems" <rocsystems@...> wrote:

>
> I recently installed the October 14th. snapshot.
> Until then I had been using the base 3.06 version.
>
> Several improvements - most notable is almost no Fixed point divide errors. (at least for the last 4 days.
>
> However the DIAG 8 command does not seem to work.
> Performed two tests on this today with exactly the same configurations and same OS and disks. (just changed the executable Library.
>
>
>
> Using herc 3.06 it works fine.
> Using the snapshot from October 14th diagnose 8 it does not work
>

Since you are giving a date looks like you are using the old CVS snapshots, Hercules switched to SVN in February and even though the cvs snapshots are still being generated they are reflecting February code.

SVN snapshots are named by SVN number and are at

http://www.ivansoftware.com/snapshots/snapshots/

> a) message does not make it to Hercules -- (or the GUI)
> b) No response is sent to TSO
>  
> I have the logs and screen prints if necessary but the developers may have a hint about this.
>
> Is there a web page somewhere that explains the changes/improvements of each of the snapshots?
>
> Like to know what areas the snapshts are addressing so that we know what to test. This might proove helpful to the developers as well as the end users.
>
> Roc
>

This will show every fix ever done

http://www.ivansoftware.com/cgi-bin/viewvc.cgi/

Laddie Hanus

[Rocky-11]

Laddiehanus
No, I believe that I am using the proper snapshots from the proper site.

Resolved that problem several weeks ago and ran one test just to be sure
that it worked. This week I installed it completely and removed the 3.06

The svn build information on the site shows:

W32-hercules-SVN-5487-build.log 14-Oct-2009 22:08  75K
W32-hercules-SVN-5487.zip 14-Oct-2009 22:08  2.0M

The log shows:
20:26:35.067 00001620 Hercules Version 3.0.6.5487
20:26:35.067 00001620 (c)Copyright 1999-2009 by Roger Bowler, Jan Jaeger,
and others
20:26:35.067 00001620 Built on Oct 14 2009 at 22:06:52  

See the entire header from the log below log below.

The older snap shots from the other site don’t even boot.
I have all the documentation and screen snapshots but I will need to send it
HTML - if anybody would care to look at it.


The log shows:
0:26:34.567 Hercules started; process-id=00001620
20:26:35.067 00001620 Hercules Version 3.0.6.5487 <-------------------------
20:26:35.067 00001620 (c)Copyright 1999-2009 by Roger Bowler, Jan Jaeger,
and others
20:26:35.067 00001620 Built on Oct 14 2009 at 22:06:52  <-------------------
20:26:35.067 00001620 Build information:
20:26:35.067 00001620   Windows (MSVC) build for i386
20:26:35.067 00001620   Modes: S/370 ESA/390 z/Arch
20:26:35.067 00001620   Max CPU Engines: 8
20:26:35.067 00001620   Using fthreads instead of pthreads
20:26:35.067 00001620   Dynamic loading support
20:26:35.067 00001620   Using shared libraries
20:26:35.067 00001620   HTTP Server support
20:26:35.067 00001620   No SIGABEND handler
20:26:35.067 00001620   Regular Expressions support
20:26:35.067 00001620   Automatic Operator support
20:26:35.067 00001620   Machine dependent assists: cmpxchg1 cmpxchg4
cmpxchg8 fetch_dw store_dw
20:26:35.067 00001620 Running on DIM9200 Windows_NT-5.1 i686 MP=2
20:26:35.067 00001620 HHCHD018I Loadable module directory is hercules
20:26:35.114 00001620 Crypto module loaded (c) Copyright Bernard van der
Helm, 2003-2009
20:26:35.114 00001620   Active: Message Security Assist
20:26:35.114 00001620           Message Security Assist Extension 1
20:26:35.114 00001620           Message Security Assist Extension 2
20:26:35.114 00001620
comp=-1,compparm=-1,ra=2,raq=4,rat=2,wr=2,gcint=5,gcparm=0,nostress=0,
20:26:35.114 00001620         freepend=-1,fsync=0,trace=0,linuxnull=0
20:26:35.114 00001620 HHCHT001I HTTP listener thread started: tid=00001770,
pid=5664
20:26:35.114 00001620 HHCCF065I Hercules: tid=00001304, pid=5664, pgid=5664,
priority=0


________________________________________
From: hercules-390@... [mailto:hercules-390@...] On
Behalf Of laddiehanus
Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2009 03:53
To: hercules-390@...
Subject: [hercules-390] Re: DIAG 8 not working with snapshot form October
14th.

 


--- In hercules-390@..., "rocsystems" <rocsystems@...> wrote:
>
> I recently installed the October 14th. snapshot.
> Until then I had been using the base 3.06 version.
>
> Several improvements - most notable is almost no Fixed point divide
errors. (at least for the last 4 days.
>
> However the DIAG 8 command does not seem to work.
> Performed two tests on this today with exactly the same configurations and
same OS and disks. (just changed the executable Library.
>
>
>
> Using herc 3.06 it works fine.
> Using the snapshot from October 14th diagnose 8 it does not work
>

Since you are giving a date looks like you are using the old CVS snapshots,
Hercules switched to SVN in February and even though the cvs snapshots are
still being generated they are reflecting February code.

SVN snapshots are named by SVN number and are at

http://www.ivansoftware.com/snapshots/snapshots/

> a) message does not make it to Hercules -- (or the GUI)
> b) No response is sent to TSO
>
> I have the logs and screen prints if necessary but the developers may have
a hint about this.
>
> Is there a web page somewhere that explains the changes/improvements of
each of the snapshots?
>
> Like to know what areas the snapshts are addressing so that we know what
to test. This might proove helpful to the developers as well as the end
users.
>
> Roc
>

This will show every fix ever done

http://www.ivansoftware.com/cgi-bin/viewvc.cgi/

Laddie Hanus




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laddiehanus wrote:

[...]
> Since you are giving a date looks like you are using
> the old CVS snapshots, Hercules switched to SVN in February
> and even though the cvs snapshots are still being generated
> they are reflecting February code. [...]

The problem is twofold:

1. Yahoo Group's "search" function IS STILL *SEVERELY* BROKEN! [1]

2. Ivan is STILL generating daily builds of the now LOOOONG out-dated CVS
source!


Problem #2 can be easily resolved by Ivan simply turning off his daily build
of CVS source and redirecting the URL for the old snapshots page to the new
SVN snapshots page.

Problem #1 however is out of our control.  :(


I keep filling out their Group Search problem report form for our group (and
HAVE been for MANY MONTHS now) but they haven't done anything about it yet.
:(

I encourage ALL member of the Hercules-390 group to PLEASE FILLE OUT THE
SEARCH PROBLEM REPORT FORM for our group! (see URL in footnote [2]).

I'd one again ask Jay if we could PLEASE get the HELL off Yahoo but I'm not
sure whether THAT would do any good either. We've been *talking* about it
for YEARS now, but here we are years later still on Yahoo. :(

I'd suggest we move our group to Google Groups, but I read on slashdot
recently where they're not even bothering to filter spam anymore (which is
somewhat surprising to me seeing how they do such a good job of it with
their GMail product).

So until we either move the group off Yahoo (or until Yahoo finally gets
around to fixing their Group Search functionality) AND/OR until Ivan stops
continuing to build old outdated CVS source (and REDIRECTS the old CVS
snapshots page to the new SVN snapshots page) we're going to continue to
have these types of problems. Our users are going to continue being confused
and frustrated with us until SOMETHING is done to resolve one or more of the
above issues.


It's sad and terribly frustrating I know, but what's a person to do?


   :(


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[1] For example an illustrative example, go to:

  http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/hercules-390/

and enter a search for "snapshots". The most recent message it returns is
dated Mar 11, 2009!! Now I happen to know for a FACT that there have been
MANY more posts since then made with that keyword in it (especially since I
myself made them!).

Why is Yahoo only showing posts dated Mar 11, 2009 or older? Unknown!

But I'm getting pretty darn sick and tired of dealing with it! If neither I
nor our users can search the group looking for the answers they need for the
problems they're having, then we're going to continue getting the same
questions asked for the same problems again OVER AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN
until *something* changes.  :(


[2] Yahoo Groups search problem reporting form:
    http://surveylink.yahoo.com/wix/p6290938.aspx





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[kerravon86]

--- In hercules-390@..., "Fish" <fish@...> wrote:
>
> It's sad and terribly frustrating I know, but what's a person to do?

Yoga?

BFN.  Paul.

[Kevin Monceaux]

On Thu, Nov 05, 2009 at 05:00:22AM -0800, Fish wrote:

> It's sad and terribly frustrating I know, but what's a person to do?

Find a viable alternative.  :-)

Several years ago after getting fed up with YahooGroups I moved a
local canine agility group's mailing list, which I act as listmaster
for, from YahooGroups.  I've had it hosted on a few different shared
hosting providers as a Mailman mailing list, and now it's on my own
web/mail server via Ecartis.  But, it's for a small group and at the
moment I don't have any online archives, searchable or otherwise,
available.  Setting up such an archive for the list has been on my
"round tuit" list for quite a while.


--

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[Rocky-11]

Fish

 

Already replied - I am pretty sure that this not the case.

Code is from the proper snap shot.

Sent the log and the Build number should verify that ti is the proper
snapshot.

 

If Somebody will say that they are 100% sure that DIAG8 is passing commands
in the latest snapshot I will continue to look for alternative things,

 

But I ran a pretty convincing test and I have the documentation which shows
that it is not working from the snapshot and works fine from 3.06 with the
exact same OS environment. (at least from ZOS)

I just switched the Executable library and pointed to the old 3.06 and it
worked fine.

 

I can try it from VM as well if that will give a hint.

BTW - the latest snapshot seems to resolve most, if not all of the FIXED
POINT DIVIDE errors. Haven't seen that at all since I switched to the
snapshot and the processor speed has changed several times which always
proceeded  the errors in the past.

 

Roc

 

  _____  

From: hercules-390@... [mailto:hercules-390@...] On
Behalf Of Fish
Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2009 15:00
To: hercules-390@...
Subject: [hercules-390] Yahoo Groups message search SEVERELY broken.

 

 

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laddiehanus wrote:

[...]
> Since you are giving a date looks like you are using
> the old CVS snapshots, Hercules switched to SVN in February
> and even though the cvs snapshots are still being generated
> they are reflecting February code. [...]

The problem is twofold:

1. Yahoo Group's "search" function IS STILL *SEVERELY* BROKEN! [1]

2. Ivan is STILL generating daily builds of the now LOOOONG out-dated CVS
source!

Problem #2 can be easily resolved by Ivan simply turning off his daily build
of CVS source and redirecting the URL for the old snapshots page to the new
SVN snapshots page.

Problem #1 however is out of our control. :(

I keep filling out their Group Search problem report form for our group (and
HAVE been for MANY MONTHS now) but they haven't done anything about it yet.
:(

I encourage ALL member of the Hercules-390 group to PLEASE FILLE OUT THE
SEARCH PROBLEM REPORT FORM for our group! (see URL in footnote [2]).

I'd one again ask Jay if we could PLEASE get the HELL off Yahoo but I'm not
sure whether THAT would do any good either. We've been *talking* about it
for YEARS now, but here we are years later still on Yahoo. :(

I'd suggest we move our group to Google Groups, but I read on slashdot
recently where they're not even bothering to filter spam anymore (which is
somewhat surprising to me seeing how they do such a good job of it with
their GMail product).

So until we either move the group off Yahoo (or until Yahoo finally gets
around to fixing their Group Search functionality) AND/OR until Ivan stops
continuing to build old outdated CVS source (and REDIRECTS the old CVS
snapshots page to the new SVN snapshots page) we're going to continue to
have these types of problems. Our users are going to continue being confused
and frustrated with us until SOMETHING is done to resolve one or more of the
above issues.

It's sad and terribly frustrating I know, but what's a person to do?

:(

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[1] For example an illustrative example, go to:

http://tech. <http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/hercules-390/>
groups.yahoo.com/group/hercules-390/

and enter a search for "snapshots". The most recent message it returns is
dated Mar 11, 2009!! Now I happen to know for a FACT that there have been
MANY more posts since then made with that keyword in it (especially since I
myself made them!).

Why is Yahoo only showing posts dated Mar 11, 2009 or older? Unknown!

But I'm getting pretty darn sick and tired of dealing with it! If neither I
nor our users can search the group looking for the answers they need for the
problems they're having, then we're going to continue getting the same
questions asked for the same problems again OVER AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN
until *something* changes. :(

[2] Yahoo Groups search problem reporting form:
http://surveylink. <http://surveylink.yahoo.com/wix/p6290938.aspx>
yahoo.com/wix/p6290938.aspx

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[ScottC-3]

New link added to the Links section for searching the archives using
GMANE:

GMANE - Archive Search
<http://search.gmane.org/?query=Enter%20Search%20String%20Here&group=gma\
ne.comp.emulators.hercules390.general&sort=date>

I'm surprised no one else has mentioned this method of searching the
archives!  Enjoy!  I believe all content is available, except for, at
most, the last 24 hours.

Scott

--- In hercules-390@..., "Fish" <fish@...> wrote:
> 1. Yahoo Group's "search" function IS STILL *SEVERELY* BROKEN! [1]
>




[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Mike Schwab]

Can you try various snapshots?
Split the difference on the dates (or snapshot version number) and try
that snapshot.
If it works try halfway forward.
If it does not work try halfway back.

This should isloate which change caused the problem.

On Thu, Nov 5, 2009 at 1:20 PM, Rocky <rocsystems@...> wrote:

> Fish
>
> Already replied - I am pretty sure that this not the case.
>
> Code is from the proper snap shot.
>
> Sent the log and the Build number should verify that ti is the proper
> snapshot.
>
> If Somebody will say that they are 100% sure that DIAG8 is passing commands
> in the latest snapshot I will continue to look for alternative things,
>
> But I ran a pretty convincing test and I have the documentation which shows
> that it is not working from the snapshot and works fine from 3.06 with the
> exact same OS environment. (at least from ZOS)
>
> I just switched the Executable library and pointed to the old 3.06 and it
> worked fine.
>

<deleted>
--
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Where do Forest Rangers go to get away from it all?

[BruceTSmith]

What about moving to BBS software, maybe something like vBulletin.

It has awesome search options.

It's thread based, so all related posts are in one place, instead of mixed-up individual messages like we get on the index now. New posts push a thread to the top of the list.

You can have separate sub areas, like one for Herc-Main, one for Herc-DOS, one for Herc-OS/380, one for Herc-Advocacy. You can limit access to different areas, like a Herc-Developers-Only sub. The Sysops can move and copy threads between areas. You could have a Links area, and I'm pretty sure they support Downloads.

You can "subscribe" to individual threads, individual areas, or the whole forum, to get e-mail notifications as stuff is posted.

All it takes is a not too fancy PC, and with the amount of traffic we get, a not so fast web connection.

I hang out on a couple BBS type fora. I think it is a much nicer way to communicate.

BTS :)

[kerravon86]

--- In hercules-390@..., "BruceTSmith" <brucetsmith@...> wrote:
>
> All it takes is a not too fancy PC, and with the amount
> of traffic we get, a not so fast web connection.

A question I've been meaning to ask of the people
who seem to lurk in every newgroup on the planet,
waiting to pounce on anyone who posts in HTML, or
an attachment, or doesn't trim quotes, so that they
can say "hey, not all of us have high speed
connections" is "what technology are you using that
still has a slow connection speed that you can spot
the difference between a short message and a long
one?".  

I would have thought that there was a limit to how
many newgroups that C64 users (*) with 300 bps modems
could actually afford to monitor.

BFN.  Paul.


(*) Not that I have anything against the C64. In fact,
my life's ambition is to finish the disassembly of
Wizard of Wor and then learn how to program
games and then reproduce it on a modern machine with
improved graphic display of the grooblies, but
otherwise identical.

[Mike Schwab]

I have a Verizon card that uses cell phone frequencies.  Every time I
log on it tells me how many bytes I have downloaded.  I get 5GB for
$60, and $0.25 for each MB after that.  $250 per additional GB.
Faster that the DSL, but I have to watch out for how much browsing I
am doing.  They don't allow mail or phone lines in this RV park.

On Thu, Nov 5, 2009 at 8:31 PM, kerravon86 <kerravon86@...> wrote:

> --- In hercules-390@..., "BruceTSmith" <brucetsmith@...> wrote:
>>
>> All it takes is a not too fancy PC, and with the amount
>> of traffic we get, a not so fast web connection.
>
> A question I've been meaning to ask of the people
> who seem to lurk in every newgroup on the planet,
> waiting to pounce on anyone who posts in HTML, or
> an attachment, or doesn't trim quotes, so that they
> can say "hey, not all of us have high speed
> connections" is "what technology are you using that
> still has a slow connection speed that you can spot
> the difference between a short message and a long
> one?".
>
> I would have thought that there was a limit to how
> many newgroups that C64 users (*) with 300 bps modems
> could actually afford to monitor.
>
> BFN.  Paul.

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[Kevin Monceaux]

On Fri, Nov 06, 2009 at 02:12:48AM -0000, BruceTSmith wrote:

> What about moving to BBS software, maybe something like vBulletin.

Oh, please, noooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!  Are you talking about some
form of "online forum" type of thing?  I find those about as useful as
a milk pail under a bull.  I find mailing lists MUCH easier to keep up
with.  I'd much rather receive individual e-mails messages instead of
receiving an e-mail notice that something has been posted to a forum
and then have to going to the form's web interface to read the post.

> It has awesome search options.

I forgot to mention in my previous reply, local archives work wonders
with YahooGroups.  I have no problem searching this mailing list.  My
hercules-390 mailbox currently has messages dating back to 2005,
15,374 messages at the moment, and I can search them easily in mutt.
Somewhere on the 'net I came across a yahoo2mbox Perl script that can
download messages from a YahooGroup mailing list to a local mbox
mailbox.  When I join a YahooGroup list that's been around for a while
I can create a local archive of the messages from the group quite
easily.


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Rocky wrote:

[...]
> If Somebody will say that they are 100% sure that DIAG8
> is passing commands in the latest snapshot I will continue
> to look for alternative things.

"I am 100% sure that DIAG8 is passing commands in the latest snapshot."

100%.

Repeat: 100%.

More than that, it is not only passing commands it is executing them and
returning the response text too if you ask for it.

I just tested it and DIAG8 is working *perfectly*.


> But I ran a pretty convincing test and I have the documentation
> which shows that it is not working

Define: "not working".

Please note that "not working" does NOT mean: "my diag8 interface is issuing
commands and they're completing successfully (zero condition code) but
nothing is appearing on the Hercules console", because that's (NOECHO) the
new default behavior as of Revision 5096 dated January 15, 2009. (The
default used to be ECHO but now it's NOECHO.)

Refer to current documentation regarding the DIAG8CMD configuration
statement.

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[BruceTSmith]

"I'd much rather receive individual e-mails messages instead of
receiving an e-mail notice that something has been posted to a forum
and then have to going to the form's web interface to read the post."

Things don't work like that with modern BBS software Kevin. :)

When you subscribe you can get the the actual post with the e-mail, just like with this list. You never "need" to visit the forum, but you always have that option. That's what I like about a BBS today, you have many different options.

I can think of lots of reasons why it's better, IMHO. Today if I want to cover "everything Hercules", I've got to join a dozen different lists. If you're SEARCHing for stuff, what this thread is about, it's all in one place with a BBS. For example, if I'm trying to run DOS under VM, today I may end up searching the VM list, then the DOS list, then the Herc main list. Maybe somebody tried to run both MVS and DOS under VM, so I better check the MVS list for clues. And maybe somebody had something to say about it over on advocacy, better check that out.

Speaking of subscriber options, let's talk about the current AIX "thread" here. Now while I've been involved with System/3x0 non-stop since around 1968, I've never run AIX, I doubt I will ever run AIX, and I'm pretty sure I'll never, ever run Herc under AIX. Why would I want a hunderd e-mails about AIX? With a BBS, I can unsubscribe, to just that thread, bye bye e-mails. Sure, maybe there is some good info in that thread. But I can always visit the BBS to read it, when I've got nothing better to do. Just like visiting this list via the Web. :)

Another nice feature, attaching images. This can be a huge help with things like screen shots. Can't do that here, only thing you can do is post a link. More jumping around, for what?

To each his own Kevin. I just think there are some pretty nice features with a modern "BBS".

BTS :)

.
--- In hercules-390@..., Kevin Monceaux <Kevin@...> wrote:

>
> On Fri, Nov 06, 2009 at 02:12:48AM -0000, BruceTSmith wrote:
>
> > What about moving to BBS software, maybe something like vBulletin.
>
> Oh, please, noooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!  Are you talking about some
> form of "online forum" type of thing?  I find those about as useful as
> a milk pail under a bull.  I find mailing lists MUCH easier to keep up
> with.  I'd much rather receive individual e-mails messages instead of
> receiving an e-mail notice that something has been posted to a forum
> and then have to going to the form's web interface to read the post.
>
> > It has awesome search options.
>
> I forgot to mention in my previous reply, local archives work wonders
> with YahooGroups.  I have no problem searching this mailing list.  My
> hercules-390 mailbox currently has messages dating back to 2005,
> 15,374 messages at the moment, and I can search them easily in mutt.
> Somewhere on the 'net I came across a yahoo2mbox Perl script that can
> download messages from a YahooGroup mailing list to a local mbox
> mailbox.  When I join a YahooGroup list that's been around for a while
> I can create a local archive of the messages from the group quite
> easily.
>
>
> --
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> Kevin
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>
> What's the definition of a legacy system?  One that works!
> Si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes.
> Longum iter est per praecepta, breve et efficax per exempla!!!
>

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Kevin Monceaux wrote:

<snip; "some form of online forum thing">

> I find those about as useful
> as a milk pail under a bull.

  :)


> I find mailing lists MUCH easier to keep up with.  I'd much rather
> receive individual e-mails messages [...]

Amen!


<snip>
> My hercules-390 mailbox currently has messages dating back to 2005,

Ha! Got you beat. Mine date back to Feb 26, 2000.  :)

And yes I use my local copy as a searchable information database too
("Information is power"), but not everyone does what we do Kevin. Others
(especially new users but really anyone who doesn't interface with the group
via email like us) expect to be able to search through the group's messages
via Yahoo's search function (since Hercules-390 *IS* after all a Yahoo
Group!), but when they do they come up empty. The NEWEST message they can
see is apparently March 2009!

SOMETHING needs to be done.  :(

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[Gerhard Postpischil]

kerravon86 wrote:
> I would have thought that there was a limit to how
> many newgroups that C64 users (*) with 300 bps modems
> could actually afford to monitor.

How about an Altair MITS with a 110 baud/bps modem?  Someplace
in my junk^H^H^H^Hmuseum I have a U.S. Robotics 300 baud
acoustic modem. I'm not even sure I have a phone that would fit
that.

Way back when I was moderator on two groups at the CPCUG board
(using RBBS), and while it wasn't too bad, it was more work than
the present setup.

Gerhard Postpischil
Bradford, VT

[Rocky-11]

As usual

I am embarrassed again. Fish is correct.

 

The commands are executing but I just don't see the echo results on the
Mainframe nor the echo of the command on the Hercules Console or in the GUI.

 

Maybe once, sometime in the future, I will actually be able to complain
about something that really doesn't work.

 

Meanwhile apologies for getting excited.

 

Appreciate the patience you show in answering "DUMB" questions.

The "Hercules" project and the people that devote their time to it are the
greatest.

 

Roc

 

 

 

  _____  

From: hercules-390@... [mailto:hercules-390@...] On
Behalf Of Fish
Sent: Friday, November 06, 2009 06:56
To: hercules-390@...
Subject: RE: [hercules-390] Re: DIAG 8 not working with snapshot form
October 14th.

 

 

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Rocky wrote:

[...]
> If Somebody will say that they are 100% sure that DIAG8
> is passing commands in the latest snapshot I will continue
> to look for alternative things.

"I am 100% sure that DIAG8 is passing commands in the latest snapshot."

100%.

Repeat: 100%.

More than that, it is not only passing commands it is executing them and
returning the response text too if you ask for it.

I just tested it and DIAG8 is working *perfectly*.

> But I ran a pretty convincing test and I have the documentation
> which shows that it is not working

Define: "not working".

Please note that "not working" does NOT mean: "my diag8 interface is issuing
commands and they're completing successfully (zero condition code) but
nothing is appearing on the Hercules console", because that's (NOECHO) the
new default behavior as of Revision 5096 dated January 15, 2009. (The
default used to be ECHO but now it's NOECHO.)

Refer to current documentation regarding the DIAG8CMD configuration
statement.

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[Jay Maynard-2]

On Fri, Nov 06, 2009 at 02:12:48AM -0000, BruceTSmith wrote:
> What about moving to BBS software, maybe something like vBulletin.

The problem with running a bulletin board that it's a spam magnet. Right
now, I don't have to manage spam on the system. I would with a bulletin
board. I don't need that headache.
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[Harold Grovesteen-2]

Some time ago there was discussion about moving to google. What ever
happened with that?

Harold

Jay Maynard wrote:

>On Fri, Nov 06, 2009 at 02:12:48AM -0000, BruceTSmith wrote:
>  
>
>>What about moving to BBS software, maybe something like vBulletin.
>>    
>>
>
>The problem with running a bulletin board that it's a spam magnet. Right
>now, I don't have to manage spam on the system. I would with a bulletin
>board. I don't need that headache.
>  
>