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DVDs and Ubuntu 9.10

by bvdp :: Rate this Message:

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Hi guys. I know this is a bit off topic, but I'm getting frustrated
beyond belief trying to get reasonable results from my DVD drives with
a newly installed ubuntu 9.10

The drives are both connected to a PATA interface (the only one on the
MB). My hard drives are all SATA.

All worked just fine on previous MBs and linux versions. Lastly had
Ubuntu 8.04 running.

My problem is that I know have very jerky video playback and slow
seeks and crashes. I've tried mplayer, totem and vlc. Vcl seems to
work best, but it's no star on this system.

I've tried uninstalling pulseaudio, but that makes no difference.

I've done a lot of reading of similar problems, but nothing seems to
vector in on this. The ubuntu forms haven't been much help either ...
just a lot of suggestions on trying different players, and installing
libcss2, etc. That doesn't seem to be the problem.

My guess is that it's a IRQ or DMA problem. I have no idea how to
diagnose this or fix.

So ... any ideas here????


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Re: DVDs and Ubuntu 9.10

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2009/11/1 Bob van der Poel <bob@...>
Hi guys. I know this is a bit off topic, but I'm getting frustrated
beyond belief trying to get reasonable results from my DVD drives with
a newly installed ubuntu 9.10

The drives are both connected to a PATA interface (the only one on the
MB). My hard drives are all SATA.

All worked just fine on previous MBs and linux versions. Lastly had
Ubuntu 8.04 running.

My problem is that I know have very jerky video playback and slow
seeks and crashes. I've tried mplayer, totem and vlc. Vcl seems to
work best, but it's no star on this system.

I've tried uninstalling pulseaudio, but that makes no difference.

I've done a lot of reading of similar problems, but nothing seems to
vector in on this. The ubuntu forms haven't been much help either ...
just a lot of suggestions on trying different players, and installing
libcss2, etc. That doesn't seem to be the problem.

My guess is that it's a IRQ or DMA problem. I have no idea how to
diagnose this or fix.

So ... any ideas here????


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Now, did you try mplayer with a front-end or from CLI, or both? If both, determine whether you had previously enabled caching and is somehow now disabled. If you can confirm you have never messed with the settings, then it's an issue triggered by either your kernel or graphics driver update, or both.

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Re: DVDs and Ubuntu 9.10

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On Sat, Oct 31, 2009 at 4:57 PM, Bob van der Poel <bob@...> wrote:

> Hi guys. I know this is a bit off topic, but I'm getting frustrated
> beyond belief trying to get reasonable results from my DVD drives with
> a newly installed ubuntu 9.10
>
> The drives are both connected to a PATA interface (the only one on the
> MB). My hard drives are all SATA.
>
> All worked just fine on previous MBs and linux versions. Lastly had
> Ubuntu 8.04 running.
>
> My problem is that I know have very jerky video playback and slow
> seeks and crashes. I've tried mplayer, totem and vlc. Vcl seems to
> work best, but it's no star on this system.
>
> I've tried uninstalling pulseaudio, but that makes no difference.
>
> I've done a lot of reading of similar problems, but nothing seems to
> vector in on this. The ubuntu forms haven't been much help either ...
> just a lot of suggestions on trying different players, and installing
> libcss2, etc. That doesn't seem to be the problem.
>
> My guess is that it's a IRQ or DMA problem. I have no idea how to
> diagnose this or fix.
>
> So ... any ideas here????
>

I'm not an Ubuntu guy so I have no idea what they've set up but
personally I've had the best luck with xine. Totem never worked right
and mplayer I haven't used in years. It's not on my systems here. xine
runs fine on all my machine with or without an rt-kernel. Has a lot of
configuration options which is good if you want to dig in, bad if you
just want it to work.

Any clues in dmesg. Usually there will be something if drives are
timing out or there are blockages of some type. Also look in
var/log/messages, etc.

good luck,
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Re: DVDs and Ubuntu 9.10

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> Now, did you try mplayer with a front-end or from CLI, or both? If both,

Tried with both with similar results.

> determine whether you had previously enabled caching and is somehow now

No idea. How would I determine if caching  is not or off?

> disabled. If you can confirm you have never messed with the settings, then
> it's an issue triggered by either your kernel or graphics driver update, or
> both.

Hmmm, I have seen stuff about the nvidia drivers causing problems.
I've got that running right now (and I did on the previous installs as
well). Okay, just rebooted without nvidia ... same problem.



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Re: DVDs and Ubuntu 9.10

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Funny!!! I've never had success with xine in the past ... so didn't
bother with it :)

But, I just tried it and guess what ... seems to be working just fine.

I ran from a terminal and do get a lot of messages like this:

*** libdvdread: CHECK_VALUE failed in nav_read.c:356 ***
*** for dsi->dsi_gi.zero1 == 0 ***

Does that mean anything?

I've checked the log files and haven't found anything there. But, if
xine works that's great. Thanks for the suggestion.



> I'm not an Ubuntu guy so I have no idea what they've set up but
> personally I've had the best luck with xine. Totem never worked right
> and mplayer I haven't used in years. It's not on my systems here. xine
> runs fine on all my machine with or without an rt-kernel. Has a lot of
> configuration options which is good if you want to dig in, bad if you
> just want it to work.
>
> Any clues in dmesg. Usually there will be something if drives are
> timing out or there are blockages of some type. Also look in
> var/log/messages, etc.
>
> good luck,
> Mark
>



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Re: DVDs and Ubuntu 9.10

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On Sat, Oct 31, 2009 at 5:43 PM, Bob van der Poel <bob@...> wrote:
> Funny!!! I've never had success with xine in the past ... so didn't
> bother with it :)
>
> But, I just tried it and guess what ... seems to be working just fine.

good news.

>
> I ran from a terminal and do get a lot of messages like this:
>
> *** libdvdread: CHECK_VALUE failed in nav_read.c:356 ***
> *** for dsi->dsi_gi.zero1 == 0 ***
>
> Does that mean anything?

Probably something about the way the DVD is authored and unlikely in
my experience to cause big problems although you might not know until
you watch the DVD all the way through.

>
> I've checked the log files and haven't found anything there. But, if
> xine works that's great. Thanks for the suggestion.
>

You're welcome. Note that I've recently dumped Gnome for XFCE and
never used KDE as on Gentoo I wasn't willing to take the time to build
and maintain it. Depending on what version of Gnome the Ubuntu guys
packaged could cause some of these sorts of problems.

Have fun,
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Re: DVDs and Ubuntu 9.10

by Ray Rashif :: Rate this Message:

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2009/11/1 Mark Knecht <markknecht@...>
On Sat, Oct 31, 2009 at 5:43 PM, Bob van der Poel <bob@...> wrote:
> Funny!!! I've never had success with xine in the past ... so didn't
> bother with it :)
>
> But, I just tried it and guess what ... seems to be working just fine.

good news.

>
> I ran from a terminal and do get a lot of messages like this:
>
> *** libdvdread: CHECK_VALUE failed in nav_read.c:356 ***
> *** for dsi->dsi_gi.zero1 == 0 ***
>
> Does that mean anything?

Probably something about the way the DVD is authored and unlikely in
my experience to cause big problems although you might not know until
you watch the DVD all the way through.

>
> I've checked the log files and haven't found anything there. But, if
> xine works that's great. Thanks for the suggestion.
>

You're welcome. Note that I've recently dumped Gnome for XFCE and
never used KDE as on Gentoo I wasn't willing to take the time to build
and maintain it. Depending on what version of Gnome the Ubuntu guys
packaged could cause some of these sorts of problems.

Have fun,
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xine is made for DVDs =p

Oh, and that error, ignore it. I mean, it won't be solved. It's a low-level libdvdread issue which the net has no solution or explanation for. It's like with VCDs, we have the sector errors. The uninformed would ignorantly point out "your VCD is faulty", but in fact, what they don't know, is that Linux cannot handle a VCD properly; the kernel itself is having problem with the sectors because it doesn't know what to do.

Gentoo is no excuse for not using KDE!

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Re: DVDs and Ubuntu 9.10

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On Sat, 31 Oct 2009 16:57:03 -0700
Bob van der Poel <bob@...> wrote:

> Hi guys. I know this is a bit off topic, but I'm getting frustrated
> beyond belief trying to get reasonable results from my DVD drives with
> a newly installed ubuntu 9.10
>
> The drives are both connected to a PATA interface (the only one on the
> MB). My hard drives are all SATA.
>
> All worked just fine on previous MBs and linux versions. Lastly had
> Ubuntu 8.04 running.
>
> My problem is that I know have very jerky video playback and slow
> seeks and crashes. I've tried mplayer, totem and vlc. Vcl seems to
> work best, but it's no star on this system.
>
> I've tried uninstalling pulseaudio, but that makes no difference.
>
> I've done a lot of reading of similar problems, but nothing seems to
> vector in on this. The ubuntu forms haven't been much help either ...
> just a lot of suggestions on trying different players, and installing
> libcss2, etc. That doesn't seem to be the problem.
>
> My guess is that it's a IRQ or DMA problem. I have no idea how to
> diagnose this or fix.
>
> So ... any ideas here????
>
>
The only suggestion I can come up with is in the past with 'weird'
problems of playback to check what dvd device is being pointed to in
the settings. i.e. /dev/dvd.

Note I have kubuntu 9.10 installed on a separate partition and am using
ubuntu 9.04 here. This works fine but I have issues with nvidia and
9.10 that I have not solved yet. One thing I am going to try is using
the xorg.conf file from 9.04 for the 9.10 installation see if that
helps, but I would check your /dev first. Had lots of problems in the
past because of that not being named correctly. (and no sorry, I don't
know what it should be) mine here according to vlc is

  /dev/sr1

which I am surprised to find. But vlc plays everything without
problems so...

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Re: DVDs and Ubuntu 9.10

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2009/11/1 nepal <nepal.roade@...>
On Sat, 31 Oct 2009 16:57:03 -0700
Bob van der Poel <bob@...> wrote:

> Hi guys. I know this is a bit off topic, but I'm getting frustrated
> beyond belief trying to get reasonable results from my DVD drives with
> a newly installed ubuntu 9.10
>
> The drives are both connected to a PATA interface (the only one on the
> MB). My hard drives are all SATA.
>
> All worked just fine on previous MBs and linux versions. Lastly had
> Ubuntu 8.04 running.
>
> My problem is that I know have very jerky video playback and slow
> seeks and crashes. I've tried mplayer, totem and vlc. Vcl seems to
> work best, but it's no star on this system.
>
> I've tried uninstalling pulseaudio, but that makes no difference.
>
> I've done a lot of reading of similar problems, but nothing seems to
> vector in on this. The ubuntu forms haven't been much help either ...
> just a lot of suggestions on trying different players, and installing
> libcss2, etc. That doesn't seem to be the problem.
>
> My guess is that it's a IRQ or DMA problem. I have no idea how to
> diagnose this or fix.
>
> So ... any ideas here????
>
>
The only suggestion I can come up with is in the past with 'weird'
problems of playback to check what dvd device is being pointed to in
the settings. i.e. /dev/dvd.

Note I have kubuntu 9.10 installed on a separate partition and am using
ubuntu 9.04 here. This works fine but I have issues with nvidia and
9.10 that I have not solved yet. One thing I am going to try is using
the xorg.conf file from 9.04 for the 9.10 installation see if that
helps, but I would check your /dev first. Had lots of problems in the
past because of that not being named correctly. (and no sorry, I don't
know what it should be) mine here according to vlc is

 /dev/sr1

which I am surprised to find. But vlc plays everything without
problems so...

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/dev/{dvd,cdrom} are symlinks to your actual device, i.e /dev/sr{0..}

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Re: DVDs and Ubuntu 9.10

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>> >
>> > I ran from a terminal and do get a lot of messages like this:
>> >
>> > *** libdvdread: CHECK_VALUE failed in nav_read.c:356 ***
>> > *** for dsi->dsi_gi.zero1 == 0 ***
>> >
>> > Does that mean anything?
>>
>> Probably something about the way the DVD is authored and unlikely in
>> my experience to cause big problems although you might not know until
>> you watch the DVD all the way through.

Okay ... the disc I was played was created on a stand-alone DVD
recorder. Just tried a "real" dvd and it doesn't present the above
warnings. So, all's well :)

>> You're welcome. Note that I've recently dumped Gnome for XFCE and
>> never used KDE as on Gentoo I wasn't willing to take the time to build
>> and maintain it. Depending on what version of Gnome the Ubuntu guys
>> packaged could cause some of these sorts of problems.

I've used kde for years and finally decided that with 4.x enough was
enough. Just too many changes (and bugs) for an old guy. So, figured
that since I was using Ubuntu I'd used gnome as well. I'm still not
completely at ease with the config stuff in gnome ... I'm getting
older, but not stupid :) Maybe I'll have another look at stuff like
XFCE once I get this system stable.


> xine is made for DVDs =p
> Oh, and that error, ignore it. I mean, it won't be solved. It's a low-level
> libdvdread issue which the net has no solution or explanation for. It's like
> with VCDs, we have the sector errors. The uninformed would ignorantly point
> out "your VCD is faulty", but in fact, what they don't know, is that Linux
> cannot handle a VCD properly; the kernel itself is having problem with the
> sectors because it doesn't know what to do.

You know, if the error was printed ONE time it'd even be useful ...
but a zillion times? Makes me think that it's important :)

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Re: DVDs and Ubuntu 9.10

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> The only suggestion I can come up with is in the past with 'weird'
> problems of playback to check what dvd device is being pointed to in
> the settings. i.e. /dev/dvd.

As I mentioned earlier ... using xine it all seems to work.

Interesting about the device names. Like Ray said, /dev/dvd (etc) are
all links. In my case (and I suspect yours) they point to /dev/sr0,
/dev/sr1, etc.

Now that brings up the question: what are these devices? used to be
that my cdroms were /dev/hdX.

>
> Note I have kubuntu 9.10 installed on a separate partition and am using
> ubuntu 9.04 here. This works fine but I have issues with nvidia and

My nvidia is working just fine. Did you try with different versions? I
think that my restricted hardware installer shows about 3 different
versions. I'm using the latest 185.18.36.

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Re: DVDs and Ubuntu 9.10

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2009/11/2 Bob van der Poel <bob@...>
> The only suggestion I can come up with is in the past with 'weird'
> problems of playback to check what dvd device is being pointed to in
> the settings. i.e. /dev/dvd.

As I mentioned earlier ... using xine it all seems to work.

Interesting about the device names. Like Ray said, /dev/dvd (etc) are
all links. In my case (and I suspect yours) they point to /dev/sr0,
/dev/sr1, etc.

Now that brings up the question: what are these devices? used to be
that my cdroms were /dev/hdX.

>
> Note I have kubuntu 9.10 installed on a separate partition and am using
> ubuntu 9.04 here. This works fine but I have issues with nvidia and

My nvidia is working just fine. Did you try with different versions? I
think that my restricted hardware installer shows about 3 different
versions. I'm using the latest 185.18.36.

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Ahh, sr* naming is using pata library, which deprecated the ide library somewhere around 2.6.18.

Could you do something? Try to rip the error-inducing DVD, using something like k9copy or acetoneiso2. Don't need to encode it to AVI, if the app gives you an option, just rip it to normal mpeg.

Personally this happens with a lot of home-made and in-house (ie. not commercial) DVDs, where I see that error, and the ripping stops abruptly. They can be ripped fine in other operating systems.

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Re: DVDs and Ubuntu 9.10

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> Ahh, sr* naming is using pata library, which deprecated the ide library
> somewhere around 2.6.18.

Like I said ... I'm getting old :)

> Could you do something? Try to rip the error-inducing DVD, using something
> like k9copy or acetoneiso2. Don't need to encode it to AVI, if the app gives
> you an option, just rip it to normal mpeg.
> Personally this happens with a lot of home-made and in-house (ie. not
> commercial) DVDs, where I see that error, and the ripping stops abruptly.
> They can be ripped fine in other operating systems.

Worked just fine with acidrip ... and it is using mplayer to do the
heavy lifting. The debug panel does show a bunch of the

*** libdvdread: CHECK_VALUE failed in libdvdread4/nav_read.c:264 ***
*** for dsi->dsi_gi.zero1 == 0 ***

lines. But the resulting .avi plays fine. This was created on a a
LiteOn DVD-RW unit I have connected to my satellite dish.

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