Data on EAT services?

[Simon Judge]

Hi all,

 

I was wondering if services would be willing to publish their stats on provision of EAT?

 

It would be good if people were happy to share this data as it would be a potentially useful tool for presenting to commissioners to evidence service development etc. .

 

I know that some services do publish this information (North West, Hillingdon) and some are willing.  No one seems to keep an eye on this at a national level, and there appears to be little research on the 'epidemiology of EAT provision' (sic) in the UK.

 

Are people happy to share their stats - if so if you would like to send them to me (or links to where they are published if already in the public domain), I would be happy to collate them (in no particular order) and publish it back to the list.   Just top line figures (ie. number of installs currently in the field, number of installs per year) would be interesting, but any more detail would also be good (possible suggested list below [1]).

Cheers,

Simon

[1] Suggested Stats (???)

*AREA

 * Type of EAT intervention:

     * Number of installations in service

     * Number of yearly referrals

         * Breakdown by client condition

     * Number of yearly installs

         * Breakdown by client condition

 

Senior Clinical Scientist
Assistive Technology Team

simon.judge@...
01226 432159

www.barnsleyrd.nhs.uk

Dept of Medical Physics
Block 14
Barnsley District General Hospital Foundation Trust Gawber Road Barnsley
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[Aejaz Zahid]

Hi Simon

Yes, these stats would be a very useful! We've been tracking many of these figures since our service started in January this year. However, we are a service mainly working with adults, where the stats will look very different from those for the children's service. It would be useful to make that distinction, especially with regards to commissioners and to divide it by area of EAT. For example, there seem to be are many more initiatives around the country (post-CAP) for AAC provision for children, whereas for adults it is still pretty much seems to be a post-code lottery. Similiarly, I would suspect that there is greater ECS provision for adults rather than children. Being aware of these distinctions from the very start within these stats would really help push for more provision for different ages groups and within different sectors where needed.

I'll send you our stats next week.

Cheers,

Aejaz

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Senior Clinical Scientist
Adult Communication & Assistive Technology
Department of Medical Physics
Kent & Canterbury Hospital
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[Simon Judge]

Hi Aejaz,

Yes, good point, that (child/adult) should have been on the list. So that makes the simple-stats-list:

[1] Suggested Stats (???)
*AREA
*Caseload (Adult/Child/Condition Specific?)
 * Type of EAT intervention:
     * Number of installations in service
     * Number of yearly referrals
         * Breakdown by client condition
     * Number of yearly installs
         * Breakdown by client condition

Cheers.

Simon

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From: A discussion list for Assistive Technology professionals. [mailto:ASSISTECH@...] On Behalf Of Aejaz Zahid
Sent: Friday, October 16, 2009 6:05 PM
To: ASSISTECH@...
Subject: Re: Data on EAT services?

Hi Simon

Yes, these stats would be a very useful! We've been tracking many of these figures since our service started in January this year. However, we are a service mainly working with adults, where the stats will look very different from those for the children's service. It would be useful to make that distinction, especially with regards to commissioners and to divide it by area of EAT. For example, there seem to be are many more initiatives around the country (post-CAP) for AAC provision for children, whereas for adults it is still pretty much seems to be a post-code lottery. Similiarly, I would suspect that there is greater ECS provision for adults rather than children. Being aware of these distinctions from the very start within these stats would really help push for more provision for different ages groups and within different sectors where needed.

I'll send you our stats next week.

Cheers,

Aejaz

____________________________________
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[Michael Parry]

Anyone come across this syndrome? It happens when I'm dictating with Dragon
10 Naturally Speaking version 10 into a Word 2007 document. The cursor stays
in the right place but the page scrolls up and down in the Window in a jerky
manner. Most annoying.

I'm suspecting that it might be something to do with Word 2007, which has a
tendency to act weird at the best of times IMHO.

cheers

Mike Parry

[Tim Symons]

Yup, its to do with focusing. Word, in general, is a pain in the ass,
and this is a classic example.

When you dictate, Word gets confused with where you should be, as the
insertion point is not the same as your relative position in text. For
example, if the insertion point is at the beginning of a doc, but you
dictate a full page, it will jump up and down until you change the
insertion point (ie, physically click the page)

A possible workaround theory for this, is to occasionally use the
'Insert before' or 'Insert after' command without inserting anything -
just to move the insertion point - randomly, on the lowest, or last,
segment of text your working on. Haven't tried this, but seems to work
in my head - let me know if it works out.

This also happens when you open a multipage doc in word (whether using
Dragon or not), immediately 'grab' the scroll bar, and move to a
segment. Word doesn't care about this, and will 'unravel' the multipage
doc it is opening, plonking you back at the beginning of the doc.

Grrrrrrrr

Regards

Tim Symons
Trainer/Assessor
Access Summit
0161 275 0990
"...supporting students..."


-----Original Message-----
From: A discussion list for Assistive Technology professionals.
[mailto:ASSISTECH@...] On Behalf Of
pennineeducationservices.co.uk
Sent: 19 October 2009 13:58
To: ASSISTECH@...
Subject: page jumps about when using Dragon

Anyone come across this syndrome? It happens when I'm dictating with
Dragon
10 Naturally Speaking version 10 into a Word 2007 document. The cursor
stays
in the right place but the page scrolls up and down in the Window in a
jerky
manner. Most annoying.

I'm suspecting that it might be something to do with Word 2007, which
has a
tendency to act weird at the best of times IMHO.

cheers

Mike Parry

[Michael Parry]

I tried to implement your suggestion Tim, but I can't seem to replicate the
problem today. Typical. I did note that the cursor always appears at the end
of the sentence that has just been dictated. Is this the same as the
'insertion point'? And if you say 'select banana', which is in a different
part of the page, it selects banana without making the page jump. And if you
then say 'satsuma' to replace the selected word, it dutifully moves the
cursor to the character after satsuma.

Yesterday it was jumping around so much it was almost unusable. You have to
wonder how a dyslexic user would cope with that.
 

Mike Parry


-----Original Message-----
From: A discussion list for Assistive Technology professionals.
[mailto:ASSISTECH@...] On Behalf Of Tim Symons
Sent: 20 October 2009 09:53
To: ASSISTECH@...
Subject: Re: page jumps about when using Dragon

Yup, its to do with focusing. Word, in general, is a pain in the ass,
and this is a classic example.

When you dictate, Word gets confused with where you should be, as the
insertion point is not the same as your relative position in text. For
example, if the insertion point is at the beginning of a doc, but you
dictate a full page, it will jump up and down until you change the
insertion point (ie, physically click the page)

A possible workaround theory for this, is to occasionally use the
'Insert before' or 'Insert after' command without inserting anything -
just to move the insertion point - randomly, on the lowest, or last,
segment of text your working on. Haven't tried this, but seems to work
in my head - let me know if it works out.

This also happens when you open a multipage doc in word (whether using
Dragon or not), immediately 'grab' the scroll bar, and move to a
segment. Word doesn't care about this, and will 'unravel' the multipage
doc it is opening, plonking you back at the beginning of the doc.

Grrrrrrrr

Regards

Tim Symons
Trainer/Assessor
Access Summit
0161 275 0990
"...supporting students..."


-----Original Message-----
From: A discussion list for Assistive Technology professionals.
[mailto:ASSISTECH@...] On Behalf Of
pennineeducationservices.co.uk
Sent: 19 October 2009 13:58
To: ASSISTECH@...
Subject: page jumps about when using Dragon

Anyone come across this syndrome? It happens when I'm dictating with
Dragon
10 Naturally Speaking version 10 into a Word 2007 document. The cursor
stays
in the right place but the page scrolls up and down in the Window in a
jerky
manner. Most annoying.

I'm suspecting that it might be something to do with Word 2007, which
has a
tendency to act weird at the best of times IMHO.

cheers

Mike Parry

[Sue Lord]

Sounds like a good plan and as has already been mentioned, we already
publish most of this data in the North West, but could I make a quick
comment?

There needs to be a clear definition of 'installation' so that different
services aren't counting different things, for example in the North West
an installation is a single system provided for a user such as an entire
environmental control system, any communication aid which was then
provided would be counted as a separate installation.

I'm not sure if this is what was meant by 'Area', but due to the widely
varying sizes of service, the absolute number of installations is not
particularly meaningful on its own. To make it meaningful we need to be
able to relate it to the population served, i.e. number of installations
per 100,000 population

I'll have a word with our Head of Service and Head of Engineering about
final figures for the last financial year and we'll get back to you with
some details,

Cheers,

Sue







Sue Lord
Specialist Speech and Language Therapist
North West Assistive Technology
Aintree Hall
University Hospital Aintree
Lower Lane
Liverpool
L9 7AL
Tel: [phone]

[Conrad Hodgkinson]

As long-time Dragon users (and usually admirers), we have experienced
exactly the same problems with Word 2007.  Our solution has been more
pragmatic - return to Word 2003!

I'm wondering if any of this is related to Vista 64-bit?  All seemed a lot
more reliable with XP.  On Windows Mail, focus is lost every time you make a
voice correction to an e-mail and you have to say 'body field' to retrieve
the cursor.

Do you know about Knowbrainer?  They really are tops with everything Dragon
related.  Try putting the issue(s) into the Dragon Forum at
http://www.knowbrainer.com/pubforum/ and you may well find that someone
there can suggest a solution.

Let the rest of us know if they do!

Conrad Hodgkinson
----- Original Message -----
From: "pennineeducationservices.co.uk"
<michael_parry@...>
To: <ASSISTECH@...>
Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2009 2:28 PM
Subject: Re: page jumps about when using Dragon

>I tried to implement your suggestion Tim, but I can't seem to replicate the
> problem today. Typical. I did note that the cursor always appears at the
> end
> of the sentence that has just been dictated. Is this the same as the
> 'insertion point'? And if you say 'select banana', which is in a different
> part of the page, it selects banana without making the page jump. And if
> you
> then say 'satsuma' to replace the selected word, it dutifully moves the
> cursor to the character after satsuma.
>
> Yesterday it was jumping around so much it was almost unusable. You have
> to
> wonder how a dyslexic user would cope with that.
>
>
> Mike Parry
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: A discussion list for Assistive Technology professionals.
> [mailto:ASSISTECH@...] On Behalf Of Tim Symons
> Sent: 20 October 2009 09:53
> To: ASSISTECH@...
> Subject: Re: page jumps about when using Dragon
>
> Yup, its to do with focusing. Word, in general, is a pain in the ass,
> and this is a classic example.
>
> When you dictate, Word gets confused with where you should be, as the
> insertion point is not the same as your relative position in text. For
> example, if the insertion point is at the beginning of a doc, but you
> dictate a full page, it will jump up and down until you change the
> insertion point (ie, physically click the page)
>
> A possible workaround theory for this, is to occasionally use the
> 'Insert before' or 'Insert after' command without inserting anything -
> just to move the insertion point - randomly, on the lowest, or last,
> segment of text your working on. Haven't tried this, but seems to work
> in my head - let me know if it works out.
>
> This also happens when you open a multipage doc in word (whether using
> Dragon or not), immediately 'grab' the scroll bar, and move to a
> segment. Word doesn't care about this, and will 'unravel' the multipage
> doc it is opening, plonking you back at the beginning of the doc.
>
> Grrrrrrrr
>
> Regards
>
> Tim Symons
> Trainer/Assessor
> Access Summit
> 0161 275 0990
> "...supporting students..."
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: A discussion list for Assistive Technology professionals.
> [mailto:ASSISTECH@...] On Behalf Of
> pennineeducationservices.co.uk
> Sent: 19 October 2009 13:58
> To: ASSISTECH@...
> Subject: page jumps about when using Dragon
>
> Anyone come across this syndrome? It happens when I'm dictating with
> Dragon
> 10 Naturally Speaking version 10 into a Word 2007 document. The cursor
> stays
> in the right place but the page scrolls up and down in the Window in a
> jerky
> manner. Most annoying.
>
> I'm suspecting that it might be something to do with Word 2007, which
> has a
> tendency to act weird at the best of times IMHO.
>
> cheers
>
> Mike Parry

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[Michael Parry]

My feeling all along was that it was a Word 2007 thing, rather than a dragon
thing. Word 2007 has too much nervous energy - always wanting to do stuff,
just in case you might want it to.

I'd follow your knowbrainer suggestion Conrad, but perhaps the simplest
solution is to wait for the next version of Word. Is there one bundled with
Windows 7? If so all the new DSA students will start having it soon enough


Mike P






-----Original Message-----
From: A discussion list for Assistive Technology professionals.
[mailto:ASSISTECH@...] On Behalf Of Conrad Hodgkinson
Sent: 21 October 2009 16:15
To: ASSISTECH@...
Subject: Re: Issues with Dragon NaturallySpeaking

As long-time Dragon users (and usually admirers), we have experienced
exactly the same problems with Word 2007.  Our solution has been more
pragmatic - return to Word 2003!

I'm wondering if any of this is related to Vista 64-bit?  All seemed a lot
more reliable with XP.  On Windows Mail, focus is lost every time you make a

voice correction to an e-mail and you have to say 'body field' to retrieve
the cursor.

Do you know about Knowbrainer?  They really are tops with everything Dragon
related.  Try putting the issue(s) into the Dragon Forum at
http://www.knowbrainer.com/pubforum/ and you may well find that someone
there can suggest a solution.

Let the rest of us know if they do!

Conrad Hodgkinson
----- Original Message -----
From: "pennineeducationservices.co.uk"
<michael_parry@...>
To: <ASSISTECH@...>
Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2009 2:28 PM
Subject: Re: page jumps about when using Dragon

>I tried to implement your suggestion Tim, but I can't seem to replicate the
> problem today. Typical. I did note that the cursor always appears at the
> end
> of the sentence that has just been dictated. Is this the same as the
> 'insertion point'? And if you say 'select banana', which is in a different
> part of the page, it selects banana without making the page jump. And if
> you
> then say 'satsuma' to replace the selected word, it dutifully moves the
> cursor to the character after satsuma.
>
> Yesterday it was jumping around so much it was almost unusable. You have
> to
> wonder how a dyslexic user would cope with that.
>
>
> Mike Parry
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: A discussion list for Assistive Technology professionals.
> [mailto:ASSISTECH@...] On Behalf Of Tim Symons
> Sent: 20 October 2009 09:53
> To: ASSISTECH@...
> Subject: Re: page jumps about when using Dragon
>
> Yup, its to do with focusing. Word, in general, is a pain in the ass,
> and this is a classic example.
>
> When you dictate, Word gets confused with where you should be, as the
> insertion point is not the same as your relative position in text. For
> example, if the insertion point is at the beginning of a doc, but you
> dictate a full page, it will jump up and down until you change the
> insertion point (ie, physically click the page)
>
> A possible workaround theory for this, is to occasionally use the
> 'Insert before' or 'Insert after' command without inserting anything -
> just to move the insertion point - randomly, on the lowest, or last,
> segment of text your working on. Haven't tried this, but seems to work
> in my head - let me know if it works out.
>
> This also happens when you open a multipage doc in word (whether using
> Dragon or not), immediately 'grab' the scroll bar, and move to a
> segment. Word doesn't care about this, and will 'unravel' the multipage
> doc it is opening, plonking you back at the beginning of the doc.
>
> Grrrrrrrr
>
> Regards
>
> Tim Symons
> Trainer/Assessor
> Access Summit
> 0161 275 0990
> "...supporting students..."
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: A discussion list for Assistive Technology professionals.
> [mailto:ASSISTECH@...] On Behalf Of
> pennineeducationservices.co.uk
> Sent: 19 October 2009 13:58
> To: ASSISTECH@...
> Subject: page jumps about when using Dragon
>
> Anyone come across this syndrome? It happens when I'm dictating with
> Dragon
> 10 Naturally Speaking version 10 into a Word 2007 document. The cursor
> stays
> in the right place but the page scrolls up and down in the Window in a
> jerky
> manner. Most annoying.
>
> I'm suspecting that it might be something to do with Word 2007, which
> has a
> tendency to act weird at the best of times IMHO.
>
> cheers
>
> Mike Parry

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No Problem Simon. We can further discuss when you visit on the 13^th November.

 

Kind regards,

 

Graeme

 

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Regional Environmental Control Systems (ECS) Service

Northumberland, Tyne & Wear NHS Trust

 

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Fax: as above

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From: A discussion list for Assistive Technology professionals. [mailto:ASSISTECH@...] On Behalf Of Judge Simon (Barnsley Hospital NHS Foundation Trust)
Sent: 16 October 2009 16:32
To: ASSISTECH@...
Subject: Data on EAT services?

 

Hi all,

 

I was wondering if services would be willing to publish their stats on provision of EAT?

 

It would be good if people were happy to share this data as it would be a potentially useful tool for presenting to commissioners to evidence service development etc. .

 

I know that some services do publish this information (North West, Hillingdon) and some are willing.  No one seems to keep an eye on this at a national level, and there appears to be little research on the 'epidemiology of EAT provision' (sic) in the UK.

 

Are people happy to share their stats - if so if you would like to send them to me (or links to where they are published if already in the public domain), I would be happy to collate them (in no particular order) and publish it back to the list.   Just top line figures (ie. number of installs currently in the field, number of installs per year) would be interesting, but any more detail would also be good (possible suggested list below [1]).

Cheers,

Simon

[1] Suggested Stats (???)

*AREA

 * Type of EAT intervention:

     * Number of installations in service

     * Number of yearly referrals

         * Breakdown by client condition

     * Number of yearly installs

         * Breakdown by client condition

 

Senior Clinical Scientist
Assistive Technology Team

simon.judge@...
01226 432159

www.barnsleyrd.nhs.uk

Dept of Medical Physics
Block 14
Barnsley District General Hospital Foundation Trust Gawber Road Barnsley
S75 2EP
 

 

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[Peter Hamlin]

I used Dragon NaturallySpeaking (DNS) 10 on Windows XP Pro with Word 2007
(trial download) for over a month without encountering the issue you describe.

The only problem I experienced was in disabling CTFMON.exe (a background
process which interferes with Dragon or ViaVoice) - but as far as I am aware
this issue does not affect Vista.

I assume that DNS service pack 1 (10.1) has been installed?

I suspect that this is a Vista 64-bit issue.
Has anyone on AssisTech come across this issue on Vista 32-bit?

At present I am not aware of any significant performance or functionality that
is to be gained by the installation of DNS onto a 64-bit operating system.
Nuance did not provide data on this topic when requested.

Due to various technical issues with Vista, NT RECES has continued to use
Windows XP Pro, as it has a smaller 'footprint' on machine resources and
seems to have less technical issues associated with it.  Consumption of
machine resources by the Vista operating system can be reduced, however
this requires deactivation of a number of services.
The use of Vista offers no EC or AAC advantage.

NT RECES will consider moving to Windows 7 either upon the release of
Windows 7 Service Pack 1 or in a years time - whichever is the later.
Hopefully by then Microsoft will have fixed all major bugs ...


Peter Hamlin [Tel: [phone] Fax: [phone]]
Rehabilitation Engineer
North Thames Regional Environmental Control Equipment Service (NT RECES)
Alderbourne Rehabilitation Unit (Entrance 'C' - off Royal Lane)
Hillingdon Hospital NHS Trust
Pield Heath Road
Uxbridge
Middlesex

UB8 3NN
 
UNITED KINGDOM


On Wed, 21 Oct 2009 16:15:16 +0100, Conrad Hodgkinson
<conradh@...> wrote:

>As long-time Dragon users (and usually admirers), we have experienced
>exactly the same problems with Word 2007.  Our solution has been more
>pragmatic - return to Word 2003!
>
>I'm wondering if any of this is related to Vista 64-bit?  All seemed a lot
>more reliable with XP.  On Windows Mail, focus is lost every time you make a
>voice correction to an e-mail and you have to say 'body field' to retrieve
>the cursor.
>
>Do you know about Knowbrainer?  They really are tops with everything Dragon
>related.  Try putting the issue(s) into the Dragon Forum at
>http://www.knowbrainer.com/pubforum/ and you may well find that someone
>there can suggest a solution.
>
>Let the rest of us know if they do!
>
>Conrad Hodgkinson
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "pennineeducationservices.co.uk"
><michael_parry@...>
>To: <ASSISTECH@...>
>Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2009 2:28 PM
>Subject: Re: page jumps about when using Dragon
>
>
>>I tried to implement your suggestion Tim, but I can't seem to replicate the
>> problem today. Typical. I did note that the cursor always appears at the
>> end
>> of the sentence that has just been dictated. Is this the same as the
>> 'insertion point'? And if you say 'select banana', which is in a different
>> part of the page, it selects banana without making the page jump. And if
>> you
>> then say 'satsuma' to replace the selected word, it dutifully moves the
>> cursor to the character after satsuma.
>>
>> Yesterday it was jumping around so much it was almost unusable. You have
>> to
>> wonder how a dyslexic user would cope with that.
>>
>>
>> Mike Parry
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: A discussion list for Assistive Technology professionals.
>> [mailto:ASSISTECH@...] On Behalf Of Tim Symons
>> Sent: 20 October 2009 09:53
>> To: ASSISTECH@...
>> Subject: Re: page jumps about when using Dragon
>>
>> Yup, its to do with focusing. Word, in general, is a pain in the ass,
>> and this is a classic example.
>>
>> When you dictate, Word gets confused with where you should be, as the
>> insertion point is not the same as your relative position in text. For
>> example, if the insertion point is at the beginning of a doc, but you
>> dictate a full page, it will jump up and down until you change the
>> insertion point (ie, physically click the page)
>>
>> A possible workaround theory for this, is to occasionally use the
>> 'Insert before' or 'Insert after' command without inserting anything -
>> just to move the insertion point - randomly, on the lowest, or last,
>> segment of text your working on. Haven't tried this, but seems to work
>> in my head - let me know if it works out.
>>
>> This also happens when you open a multipage doc in word (whether using
>> Dragon or not), immediately 'grab' the scroll bar, and move to a
>> segment. Word doesn't care about this, and will 'unravel' the multipage
>> doc it is opening, plonking you back at the beginning of the doc.
>>
>> Grrrrrrrr
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> Tim Symons
>> Trainer/Assessor
>> Access Summit
>> 0161 275 0990
>> "...supporting students..."
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: A discussion list for Assistive Technology professionals.
>> [mailto:ASSISTECH@...] On Behalf Of
>> pennineeducationservices.co.uk
>> Sent: 19 October 2009 13:58
>> To: ASSISTECH@...
>> Subject: page jumps about when using Dragon
>>
>> Anyone come across this syndrome? It happens when I'm dictating with
>> Dragon
>> 10 Naturally Speaking version 10 into a Word 2007 document. The cursor
>> stays
>> in the right place but the page scrolls up and down in the Window in a
>> jerky
>> manner. Most annoying.
>>
>> I'm suspecting that it might be something to do with Word 2007, which
>> has a
>> tendency to act weird at the best of times IMHO.
>>
>> cheers
>>
>> Mike Parry
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ACT will be publishing an annual report at the end of this financial year, which should include for all of the stats suggested below

It will be published on the ACT website www.actwmids.nhs.uk

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Acting Lead Clinician

Occupational Therapist

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Tel [phone]

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From: A discussion list for Assistive Technology professionals. [mailto:ASSISTECH@...] On Behalf Of Marsh, Graeme
Sent: 25 October 2009 17:32
To: ASSISTECH@...
Subject: Re: Data on EAT services?

 

No Problem Simon. We can further discuss when you visit on the 13^th November.

 

Kind regards,

 

Graeme

 

Graeme Marsh

Regional ECS Service Manager/Assessor

Regional Environmental Control Systems (ECS) Service

Northumberland, Tyne & Wear NHS Trust

 

Tel: [phone]

Fax: as above

Email: graeme.marsh@...

Web: www.ntw.nhs.uk

 

 

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From: A discussion list for Assistive Technology professionals. [mailto:ASSISTECH@...] On Behalf Of Judge Simon (Barnsley Hospital NHS Foundation Trust)
Sent: 16 October 2009 16:32
To: ASSISTECH@...
Subject: Data on EAT services?

 

Hi all,

 

I was wondering if services would be willing to publish their stats on provision of EAT?

 

It would be good if people were happy to share this data as it would be a potentially useful tool for presenting to commissioners to evidence service development etc. .

 

I know that some services do publish this information (North West, Hillingdon) and some are willing.  No one seems to keep an eye on this at a national level, and there appears to be little research on the 'epidemiology of EAT provision' (sic) in the UK.

 

Are people happy to share their stats - if so if you would like to send them to me (or links to where they are published if already in the public domain), I would be happy to collate them (in no particular order) and publish it back to the list.   Just top line figures (ie. number of installs currently in the field, number of installs per year) would be interesting, but any more detail would also be good (possible suggested list below [1]).

Cheers,

Simon

[1] Suggested Stats (???)

*AREA

 * Type of EAT intervention:

     * Number of installations in service

     * Number of yearly referrals

         * Breakdown by client condition

     * Number of yearly installs

         * Breakdown by client condition

 

Senior Clinical Scientist
Assistive Technology Team

simon.judge@...
01226 432159

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Dept of Medical Physics
Block 14
Barnsley District General Hospital Foundation Trust Gawber Road Barnsley
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[Michael Parry]

Hi Peter

"I used Dragon NaturallySpeaking (DNS) 10 on Windows XP Pro with Word 2007
(trial download) for over a month without encountering the issue you
describe."

Well as I discovered myself, the problem is intermittent.

"CTFMON.exe (a background process which interferes with Dragon or ViaVoice)"

That's interesting. What does CTFMON.exe do. Can you cancel that process
with no ill effects?

"I assume that DNS service pack 1 (10.1) has been installed?"

No it hasn't.

"I suspect that this is a Vista 64-bit issue."

No, it's a 32 bit machine

"Consumption of machine resources by the Vista operating system can be
reduced, however
this requires deactivation of a number of services."

Which ones, and is there a way of automating this so you don't have to do it
by hand each time?


Mike P






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On Wed, 21 Oct 2009 16:15:16 +0100, Conrad Hodgkinson
<conradh@...> wrote:

>As long-time Dragon users (and usually admirers), we have experienced
>exactly the same problems with Word 2007.  Our solution has been more
>pragmatic - return to Word 2003!
>
>I'm wondering if any of this is related to Vista 64-bit?  All seemed a lot
>more reliable with XP.  On Windows Mail, focus is lost every time you make
a

>voice correction to an e-mail and you have to say 'body field' to retrieve
>the cursor.
>
>Do you know about Knowbrainer?  They really are tops with everything Dragon
>related.  Try putting the issue(s) into the Dragon Forum at
>http://www.knowbrainer.com/pubforum/ and you may well find that someone
>there can suggest a solution.
>
>Let the rest of us know if they do!
>
>Conrad Hodgkinson
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "pennineeducationservices.co.uk"
><michael_parry@...>
>To: <ASSISTECH@...>
>Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2009 2:28 PM
>Subject: Re: page jumps about when using Dragon
>
>
>>I tried to implement your suggestion Tim, but I can't seem to replicate

the
>> problem today. Typical. I did note that the cursor always appears at the
>> end
>> of the sentence that has just been dictated. Is this the same as the
>> 'insertion point'? And if you say 'select banana', which is in a
different

>> part of the page, it selects banana without making the page jump. And if
>> you
>> then say 'satsuma' to replace the selected word, it dutifully moves the
>> cursor to the character after satsuma.
>>
>> Yesterday it was jumping around so much it was almost unusable. You have
>> to
>> wonder how a dyslexic user would cope with that.
>>
>>
>> Mike Parry
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: A discussion list for Assistive Technology professionals.
>> [mailto:ASSISTECH@...] On Behalf Of Tim Symons
>> Sent: 20 October 2009 09:53
>> To: ASSISTECH@...
>> Subject: Re: page jumps about when using Dragon
>>
>> Yup, its to do with focusing. Word, in general, is a pain in the ass,
>> and this is a classic example.
>>
>> When you dictate, Word gets confused with where you should be, as the
>> insertion point is not the same as your relative position in text. For
>> example, if the insertion point is at the beginning of a doc, but you
>> dictate a full page, it will jump up and down until you change the
>> insertion point (ie, physically click the page)
>>
>> A possible workaround theory for this, is to occasionally use the
>> 'Insert before' or 'Insert after' command without inserting anything -
>> just to move the insertion point - randomly, on the lowest, or last,
>> segment of text your working on. Haven't tried this, but seems to work
>> in my head - let me know if it works out.
>>
>> This also happens when you open a multipage doc in word (whether using
>> Dragon or not), immediately 'grab' the scroll bar, and move to a
>> segment. Word doesn't care about this, and will 'unravel' the multipage
>> doc it is opening, plonking you back at the beginning of the doc.
>>
>> Grrrrrrrr
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> Tim Symons
>> Trainer/Assessor
>> Access Summit
>> 0161 275 0990
>> "...supporting students..."
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: A discussion list for Assistive Technology professionals.
>> [mailto:ASSISTECH@...] On Behalf Of
>> pennineeducationservices.co.uk
>> Sent: 19 October 2009 13:58
>> To: ASSISTECH@...
>> Subject: page jumps about when using Dragon
>>
>> Anyone come across this syndrome? It happens when I'm dictating with
>> Dragon
>> 10 Naturally Speaking version 10 into a Word 2007 document. The cursor
>> stays
>> in the right place but the page scrolls up and down in the Window in a
>> jerky
>> manner. Most annoying.
>>
>> I'm suspecting that it might be something to do with Word 2007, which
>> has a
>> tendency to act weird at the best of times IMHO.
>>
>> cheers
>>
>> Mike Parry
>
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[Mike Parry]

I've been trying to get the following CSS2 style sheet to work with IE v8, (Tools>Internet Options>Accessibility>User Style Sheet) but it doesn't want to. I got the css code off the web, but perhaps I haven't top and tailed it correctly? Any comments gratefully received, even one's that can barely disguise their exasperation at my unwillingness to learn the code properly before trying to implement it!


Mike P


---- start ----


* Sets the text color to black and the background color to white for the document body.

*/

<STYLE type="text/css">


BODY { color: black ! important ; background: blue ! important }

/* Causes the values of 'color' and 'background' to be inherited by all other elements, strengthened by !important. Note that this may be overridden by other, more specific, user styles. */


{ color: inherit ! important ; background: inherit ! important }


P { font-size: 64pt ! important }

 /*
 Sets the text color to black
 and the background color to
 white for the document body.
 */

BODY {
   color: black ! important ;
   background: red ! important
}

 /*
 Causes the values of 'color' and 'background'
 to be inherited by all other elements,
 strengthened by !important. Note that this
 may be overridden by other, more specific,
 user styles.
 */

* {
 color: inherit ! important ;
 background: inherit ! important
}


:focus  { outline: thick solid black }
 :active { outline: thick solid red }



DIV.example:after {
   content: End Example
}

P:before {
   content: counter(paragraph) ". " ;
   counter-increment: paragraph
}

H1 {
    voice-family: paul;
    stress: 20;
    richness: 90;
    cue-before: url("ping.au")
    }

IMG:after { content: attr(alt) }


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[Neel Shearer]

Hi Mike,

I am not sure you need the <style> openers and closures if it is a
separate style sheet file - see examples at
http://www.w3schools.com/css/css_syntax.asp

I noticed there is a missing slash on the opening comment  - should be

/* Sets the text

... and an extra '*' at the start of line 34

... there are also two conflicting BODY styles.

Having said that, I saved it as 'style.css' and loaded into IE8 and it
seems to work for me. Very red!

N.



On 27/10/2009 14:33, Mike Parry wrote:

> I've been trying to get the following CSS2 style sheet to work with IE v8, (Tools>Internet Options>Accessibility>User Style Sheet) but it doesn't want to. I got the css code off the web, but perhaps I haven't top and tailed it correctly? Any comments gratefully received, even one's that can barely disguise their exasperation at my unwillingness to learn the code properly before trying to implement it!
>
>
> Mike P
>
>
> ---- start ----
>
>
> * Sets the text color to black and the background color to white for the document body.
>
> */
>
> <STYLE type="text/css">
>
>
> BODY { color: black ! important ; background: blue ! important }
>
> /* Causes the values of 'color' and 'background' to be inherited by all other elements, strengthened by !important. Note that this may be overridden by other, more specific, user styles. */
>
>
> { color: inherit ! important ; background: inherit ! important }
>
>
> P { font-size: 64pt ! important }
>
>   /*
>   Sets the text color to black
>   and the background color to
>   white for the document body.
>   */
>
> BODY {
>     color: black ! important ;
>     background: red ! important
> }
>
>   /*
>   Causes the values of 'color' and 'background'
>   to be inherited by all other elements,
>   strengthened by !important. Note that this
>   may be overridden by other, more specific,
>   user styles.
>   */
>
> * {
>   color: inherit ! important ;
>   background: inherit ! important
> }
>
>
> :focus  { outline: thick solid black }
>   :active { outline: thick solid red }
>
>
>
> DIV.example:after {
>     content: End Example
> }
>
> P:before {
>     content: counter(paragraph) ". " ;
>     counter-increment: paragraph
> }
>
> H1 {
>      voice-family: paul;
>      stress: 20;
>      richness: 90;
>      cue-before: url("ping.au")
>      }
>
> IMG:after { content: attr(alt) }
>
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[Alasdair King-2]

Mike:

Neel is correct, you need to remove the <STYLE> sections if it's an
external .css file.
You have duplicate entries for BODY.
You have an orphan section - the second { section.
Every style rule must end with a semicolon - you miss a couple out.
No space between the exclamation character and important where you use it.

Finally, shameless plug time. If you install WebbIE you'll find a
program called I.E. Appearance Editor. This provides a simple UI to
let you choose font size, zoom, and colours, and creates the
appropriate CSS file and configures IE to use it:
http://download.webbie.org.uk/WebbIE3-Installer.msi

Best wishes,
Alasdair King
WebbIE
Skype Alasdairking

On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 4:05 PM, Neel Shearer <neel@...> wrote:

> Hi Mike,
>
> I am not sure you need the <style> openers and closures if it is a separate
> style sheet file - see examples at
> http://www.w3schools.com/css/css_syntax.asp
>
> I noticed there is a missing slash on the opening comment  - should be
>
> /* Sets the text
>
> ... and an extra '*' at the start of line 34
>
> ... there are also two conflicting BODY styles.
>
> Having said that, I saved it as 'style.css' and loaded into IE8 and it seems
> to work for me. Very red!
>
> N.
>
>
>
> On 27/10/2009 14:33, Mike Parry wrote:
>>
>> I've been trying to get the following CSS2 style sheet to work with IE v8,
>> (Tools>Internet Options>Accessibility>User Style Sheet) but it doesn't want
>> to. I got the css code off the web, but perhaps I haven't top and tailed it
>> correctly? Any comments gratefully received, even one's that can barely
>> disguise their exasperation at my unwillingness to learn the code properly
>> before trying to implement it!
>>
>>
>> Mike P
>>
>>
>> ---- start ----
>>
>>
>> * Sets the text color to black and the background color to white for the
>> document body.
>>
>> */
>>
>> <STYLE type="text/css">
>>
>>
>> BODY { color: black ! important ; background: blue ! important }
>>
>> /* Causes the values of 'color' and 'background' to be inherited by all
>> other elements, strengthened by !important. Note that this may be overridden
>> by other, more specific, user styles. */
>>
>>
>> { color: inherit ! important ; background: inherit ! important }
>>
>>
>> P { font-size: 64pt ! important }
>>
>>  /*
>>  Sets the text color to black
>>  and the background color to
>>  white for the document body.
>>  */
>>
>> BODY {
>>    color: black ! important ;
>>    background: red ! important
>> }
>>
>>  /*
>>  Causes the values of 'color' and 'background'
>>  to be inherited by all other elements,
>>  strengthened by !important. Note that this
>>  may be overridden by other, more specific,
>>  user styles.
>>  */
>>
>> * {
>>  color: inherit ! important ;
>>  background: inherit ! important
>> }
>>
>>
>> :focus  { outline: thick solid black }
>>  :active { outline: thick solid red }
>>
>>
>>
>> DIV.example:after {
>>    content: End Example
>> }
>>
>> P:before {
>>    content: counter(paragraph) ". " ;
>>    counter-increment: paragraph
>> }
>>
>> H1 {
>>     voice-family: paul;
>>     stress: 20;
>>     richness: 90;
>>     cue-before: url("ping.au")
>>     }
>>
>> IMG:after { content: attr(alt) }
>>
>>
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[Michael Parry]

I put in 'red' when I was testing it, not sure it'd win any meares-irlen
awards. But thanks for that very helpful response Neel.


Mike P




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From: A discussion list for Assistive Technology professionals.
[mailto:ASSISTECH@...] On Behalf Of Neel Shearer
Sent: 27 October 2009 16:06
To: ASSISTECH@...
Subject: Re: Using style sheets for accessibility

Hi Mike,

I am not sure you need the <style> openers and closures if it is a
separate style sheet file - see examples at
http://www.w3schools.com/css/css_syntax.asp

I noticed there is a missing slash on the opening comment  - should be

/* Sets the text

... and an extra '*' at the start of line 34

... there are also two conflicting BODY styles.

Having said that, I saved it as 'style.css' and loaded into IE8 and it
seems to work for me. Very red!

N.



On 27/10/2009 14:33, Mike Parry wrote:
> I've been trying to get the following CSS2 style sheet to work with IE v8,
(Tools>Internet Options>Accessibility>User Style Sheet) but it doesn't want
to. I got the css code off the web, but perhaps I haven't top and tailed it
correctly? Any comments gratefully received, even one's that can barely
disguise their exasperation at my unwillingness to learn the code properly
before trying to implement it!
>
>
> Mike P
>
>
> ---- start ----
>
>
> * Sets the text color to black and the background color to white for the
document body.
>
> */
>
> <STYLE type="text/css">
>
>
> BODY { color: black ! important ; background: blue ! important }
>
> /* Causes the values of 'color' and 'background' to be inherited by all
other elements, strengthened by !important. Note that this may be overridden
by other, more specific, user styles. */

>
>
> { color: inherit ! important ; background: inherit ! important }
>
>
> P { font-size: 64pt ! important }
>
>   /*
>   Sets the text color to black
>   and the background color to
>   white for the document body.
>   */
>
> BODY {
>     color: black ! important ;
>     background: red ! important
> }
>
>   /*
>   Causes the values of 'color' and 'background'
>   to be inherited by all other elements,
>   strengthened by !important. Note that this
>   may be overridden by other, more specific,
>   user styles.
>   */
>
> * {
>   color: inherit ! important ;
>   background: inherit ! important
> }
>
>
> :focus  { outline: thick solid black }
>   :active { outline: thick solid red }
>
>
>
> DIV.example:after {
>     content: End Example
> }
>
> P:before {
>     content: counter(paragraph) ". " ;
>     counter-increment: paragraph
> }
>
> H1 {
>      voice-family: paul;
>      stress: 20;
>      richness: 90;
>      cue-before: url("ping.au")
>      }
>
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[Michael Parry]

Clicked on your link Alasdair - it wanted me to run an exe right there and
then - whoa - scary

Besides, I'm aiming to understand how to use css, rather than use a tool,
but thanks anyway.

Mike p

-----Original Message-----
From: A discussion list for Assistive Technology professionals.
[mailto:ASSISTECH@...] On Behalf Of Alasdair King
Sent: 27 October 2009 23:15
To: ASSISTECH@...
Subject: Re: Using style sheets for accessibility

Mike:

Neel is correct, you need to remove the <STYLE> sections if it's an
external .css file.
You have duplicate entries for BODY.
You have an orphan section - the second { section.
Every style rule must end with a semicolon - you miss a couple out.
No space between the exclamation character and important where you use it.

Finally, shameless plug time. If you install WebbIE you'll find a
program called I.E. Appearance Editor. This provides a simple UI to
let you choose font size, zoom, and colours, and creates the
appropriate CSS file and configures IE to use it:
http://download.webbie.org.uk/WebbIE3-Installer.msi

Best wishes,
Alasdair King
WebbIE
Skype Alasdairking

On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 4:05 PM, Neel Shearer <neel@...>
wrote:
> Hi Mike,
>
> I am not sure you need the <style> openers and closures if it is a
separate

> style sheet file - see examples at
> http://www.w3schools.com/css/css_syntax.asp
>
> I noticed there is a missing slash on the opening comment  - should be
>
> /* Sets the text
>
> ... and an extra '*' at the start of line 34
>
> ... there are also two conflicting BODY styles.
>
> Having said that, I saved it as 'style.css' and loaded into IE8 and it

seems
> to work for me. Very red!
>
> N.
>
>
>
> On 27/10/2009 14:33, Mike Parry wrote:
>>
>> I've been trying to get the following CSS2 style sheet to work with IE
v8,
>> (Tools>Internet Options>Accessibility>User Style Sheet) but it doesn't
want
>> to. I got the css code off the web, but perhaps I haven't top and tailed
it
>> correctly? Any comments gratefully received, even one's that can barely
>> disguise their exasperation at my unwillingness to learn the code
properly

>> before trying to implement it!
>>
>>
>> Mike P
>>
>>
>> ---- start ----
>>
>>
>> * Sets the text color to black and the background color to white for the
>> document body.
>>
>> */
>>
>> <STYLE type="text/css">
>>
>>
>> BODY { color: black ! important ; background: blue ! important }
>>
>> /* Causes the values of 'color' and 'background' to be inherited by all
>> other elements, strengthened by !important. Note that this may be

overridden

>> by other, more specific, user styles. */
>>
>>
>> { color: inherit ! important ; background: inherit ! important }
>>
>>
>> P { font-size: 64pt ! important }
>>
>>  /*
>>  Sets the text color to black
>>  and the background color to
>>  white for the document body.
>>  */
>>
>> BODY {
>>    color: black ! important ;
>>    background: red ! important
>> }
>>
>>  /*
>>  Causes the values of 'color' and 'background'
>>  to be inherited by all other elements,
>>  strengthened by !important. Note that this
>>  may be overridden by other, more specific,
>>  user styles.
>>  */
>>
>> * {
>>  color: inherit ! important ;
>>  background: inherit ! important
>> }
>>
>>
>> :focus  { outline: thick solid black }
>>  :active { outline: thick solid red }
>>
>>
>>
>> DIV.example:after {
>>    content: End Example
>> }
>>
>> P:before {
>>    content: counter(paragraph) ". " ;
>>    counter-increment: paragraph
>> }
>>
>> H1 {
>>     voice-family: paul;
>>     stress: 20;
>>     richness: 90;
>>     cue-before: url("ping.au")
>>     }
>>
>> IMG:after { content: attr(alt) }
>>
>>
>> </STYLE>
>>
>>
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[Alasdair King-2]

No worries. It's a direct link to the installer on the website.

Sorry, what I meant was to use the tool to create the CSS and then
check out the code so you can see what it's doing. So you can get
started with a working file and go on from there. Kind of like demo
code.

Best wishes,
Alasdair

On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 9:44 PM, Michael Parry
<michael_parry@...> wrote:

> Clicked on your link Alasdair - it wanted me to run an exe right there and
> then - whoa - scary
>
> Besides, I'm aiming to understand how to use css, rather than use a tool,
> but thanks anyway.
>
> Mike p
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: A discussion list for Assistive Technology professionals.
> [mailto:ASSISTECH@...] On Behalf Of Alasdair King
> Sent: 27 October 2009 23:15
> To: ASSISTECH@...
> Subject: Re: Using style sheets for accessibility
>
> Mike:
>
> Neel is correct, you need to remove the <STYLE> sections if it's an
> external .css file.
> You have duplicate entries for BODY.
> You have an orphan section - the second { section.
> Every style rule must end with a semicolon - you miss a couple out.
> No space between the exclamation character and important where you use it.
>
> Finally, shameless plug time. If you install WebbIE you'll find a
> program called I.E. Appearance Editor. This provides a simple UI to
> let you choose font size, zoom, and colours, and creates the
> appropriate CSS file and configures IE to use it:
> http://download.webbie.org.uk/WebbIE3-Installer.msi
>
> Best wishes,
> Alasdair King
> WebbIE
> Skype Alasdairking
>
> On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 4:05 PM, Neel Shearer <neel@...>
> wrote:
>> Hi Mike,
>>
>> I am not sure you need the <style> openers and closures if it is a
> separate
>> style sheet file - see examples at
>> http://www.w3schools.com/css/css_syntax.asp
>>
>> I noticed there is a missing slash on the opening comment  - should be
>>
>> /* Sets the text
>>
>> ... and an extra '*' at the start of line 34
>>
>> ... there are also two conflicting BODY styles.
>>
>> Having said that, I saved it as 'style.css' and loaded into IE8 and it
> seems
>> to work for me. Very red!
>>
>> N.
>>
>>
>>
>> On 27/10/2009 14:33, Mike Parry wrote:
>>>
>>> I've been trying to get the following CSS2 style sheet to work with IE
> v8,
>>> (Tools>Internet Options>Accessibility>User Style Sheet) but it doesn't
> want
>>> to. I got the css code off the web, but perhaps I haven't top and tailed
> it
>>> correctly? Any comments gratefully received, even one's that can barely
>>> disguise their exasperation at my unwillingness to learn the code
> properly
>>> before trying to implement it!
>>>
>>>
>>> Mike P
>>>
>>>
>>> ---- start ----
>>>
>>>
>>> * Sets the text color to black and the background color to white for the
>>> document body.
>>>
>>> */
>>>
>>> <STYLE type="text/css">
>>>
>>>
>>> BODY { color: black ! important ; background: blue ! important }
>>>
>>> /* Causes the values of 'color' and 'background' to be inherited by all
>>> other elements, strengthened by !important. Note that this may be
> overridden
>>> by other, more specific, user styles. */
>>>
>>>
>>> { color: inherit ! important ; background: inherit ! important }
>>>
>>>
>>> P { font-size: 64pt ! important }
>>>
>>>  /*
>>>  Sets the text color to black
>>>  and the background color to
>>>  white for the document body.
>>>  */
>>>
>>> BODY {
>>>    color: black ! important ;
>>>    background: red ! important
>>> }
>>>
>>>  /*
>>>  Causes the values of 'color' and 'background'
>>>  to be inherited by all other elements,
>>>  strengthened by !important. Note that this
>>>  may be overridden by other, more specific,
>>>  user styles.
>>>  */
>>>
>>> * {
>>>  color: inherit ! important ;
>>>  background: inherit ! important
>>> }
>>>
>>>
>>> :focus  { outline: thick solid black }
>>>  :active { outline: thick solid red }
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> DIV.example:after {
>>>    content: End Example
>>> }
>>>
>>> P:before {
>>>    content: counter(paragraph) ". " ;
>>>    counter-increment: paragraph
>>> }
>>>
>>> H1 {
>>>     voice-family: paul;
>>>     stress: 20;
>>>     richness: 90;
>>>     cue-before: url("ping.au")
>>>     }
>>>
>>> IMG:after { content: attr(alt) }
>>>
>>>
>>> </STYLE>
>>>
>>>
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>>>
>>>
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