Dbxml Plans/Roadmap?

[volkris]

I wonder if any of the Sleepycat people can give some indications of their
plans for dbxml.

The last release was half a year ago, and since then we've seen the Oracle
deal and a few patches posted. Are there plans for a point release? Is there a
roadmap or any plans publicly available? Is Sleepycat focused on other
products for the moment?

As I look into implementing dbxml solutions I'm wondering what I can expect in
the next couple of months to a year.

~Chris



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[Gregory Burd]

Christopher,

    Berkeley DB XML is a complex product.  Release cycles for Oracle
Enterprise Server are 3+ years.  Berkeley DB, the database under
Berkeley DB XML, takes on average 10-12 months to make a release.
Berkeley DB XML takes a reasonable amount of time to add major new
features, enhance performance, and make a release.  Patches are issued
when there are significant bugs that should be immediately addressed.
Its a *good* sign that there are no new patches?  As for a roadmap,
yes we manage detailed roadmaps internally in Oracle as you would
expect.  Unfortunately as a public company I'm prevented from
discussing details or timelines in any way.

    I can understand the concern given our new home in Oracle, this is a
big change for us and our community, and I believe a ultimately a good
one.  I ask you all to, "Watch this space."  We're still here,
integration with the Oracle infrastructure has finished and we're
working at full power again.  Recently we've released a major new
version of our Berkeley DB Java Edition, thats a beginning.  The
Berkeley DB products have life as long as customers and our community
request them.  We hope that means a long long life for the products.
That's our goal.

regards,

-greg

_____________________________________________________________________

Gregory Burd                                     greg.burd@...
Senior Product Manager, Berkeley DB/JE/XML       Oracle Corporation




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[Chris Carlin]

(this was originally sent last week but hit a snag on the way to the
mailing list)

Working at six pm on a Saturday? That's dedication!

Anyway, to be a little more clear, I'm not so much concerned with the
Oracle changes but wondering about the upcoming capabilities of the
product. There are a few patches already posted on the website, and a
new patch adding new capability to the PHP api was submitted to this
mailing list in the past week.

Meanwhile I'm running into a couple of snags with dbxml as I try to use
it in some interactive projects. It would be nice to have some
indication as to what the near-term future holds for the database for my
own planning reasons. I'm a big fan of dbxml, but it would be nice to
know if the areas I'm concerned with will be addressed within the next
quarter.

It's a completely practical issue. It's hard to chose dbxml as the
foundation of a project if I don't know whether it will meet my needs.

~Chris

Gregory Burd wrote:

> Christopher,
>
>     Berkeley DB XML is a complex product.  Release cycles for Oracle
> Enterprise Server are 3+ years.  Berkeley DB, the database under
> Berkeley DB XML, takes on average 10-12 months to make a release.  
> Berkeley DB XML takes a reasonable amount of time to add major new
> features, enhance performance, and make a release.  Patches are issued
> when there are significant bugs that should be immediately addressed.  
> Its a *good* sign that there are no new patches, right?  As for a
> roadmap, yes we manage detailed roadmaps internally in Oracle as you
> would expect.  Unfortunately as a public company I'm prevented from
> discussing details or timelines in any way.
>
>     I can understand the concern given our new home in Oracle, this is a
> big change for us and our community, and I believe a ultimately a good
> one.  I ask you all to, "Watch this space."  We're still here,
> integration with the Oracle infrastructure has finished and we're
> working at full power again.  Recently we've released a major new
> version of our Berkeley DB Java Edition, thats a beginning.  The
> Berkeley DB products have life as long as customers and our community
> request them.  We hope that means a long long life for the products.  
> That's our goal.
>
> regards,
>
> -greg
>
> _____________________________________________________________________
>
> Gregory Burd                                     greg.burd@...
> Senior Product Manager, Berkeley DB/JE/XML       Oracle Corporation

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[Gregory Burd-2]

Chris,

     I understand where you are coming from, it can be hard to plan  
and commit to a product without knowing when some critical issues  
will be addressed.  My problem is that I can't talk about roadmaps or  
release timings.  Forward looking statements of any kind from a  
public company are not allowed.  I can say that a new supported  
version of Berkeley DB XML will be released within the next year, but  
nothing more specific than that.

     As a prospective customer you should be in contact with an  
Oracle Sales representative.  They will be able to broker a  
conversation with more specifics, likely with me on the phone.

regards,

-greg
_____________________________________________________________________

Gregory Burd                                     greg.burd@...
Senior Product Manager, Berkeley DB/JE/XML       Oracle Corporation


On Jul 12, 2006, at 6:14 AM, Chris Carlin wrote:

> (this was originally sent last week but hit a snag on the way to  
> the mailing list)
>
> Working at six pm on a Saturday? That's dedication!
>
> Anyway, to be a little more clear, I'm not so much concerned with the
> Oracle changes but wondering about the upcoming capabilities of the
> product. There are a few patches already posted on the website, and a
> new patch adding new capability to the PHP api was submitted to this
> mailing list in the past week.
>
> Meanwhile I'm running into a couple of snags with dbxml as I try to  
> use
> it in some interactive projects. It would be nice to have some
> indication as to what the near-term future holds for the database  
> for my
> own planning reasons. I'm a big fan of dbxml, but it would be nice to
> know if the areas I'm concerned with will be addressed within the next
> quarter.
>
> It's a completely practical issue. It's hard to chose dbxml as the  
> foundation of a project if I don't know whether it will meet my needs.
>
> ~Chris
>
> Gregory Burd wrote:
>> Christopher,
>>     Berkeley DB XML is a complex product.  Release cycles for  
>> Oracle Enterprise Server are 3+ years.  Berkeley DB, the database  
>> under Berkeley DB XML, takes on average 10-12 months to make a  
>> release.  Berkeley DB XML takes a reasonable amount of time to add  
>> major new features, enhance performance, and make a release.  
>> Patches are issued when there are significant bugs that should be  
>> immediately addressed.  Its a *good* sign that there are no new  
>> patches, right?  As for a roadmap, yes we manage detailed roadmaps  
>> internally in Oracle as you would expect.  Unfortunately as a  
>> public company I'm prevented from discussing details or timelines  
>> in any way.
>>     I can understand the concern given our new home in Oracle,  
>> this is a big change for us and our community, and I believe a  
>> ultimately a good one.  I ask you all to, "Watch this space."  
>> We're still here, integration with the Oracle infrastructure has  
>> finished and we're working at full power again.  Recently we've  
>> released a major new version of our Berkeley DB Java Edition,  
>> thats a beginning.  The Berkeley DB products have life as long as  
>> customers and our community request them.  We hope that means a  
>> long long life for the products.  That's our goal.
>> regards,
>> -greg
>> _____________________________________________________________________
>> Gregory Burd                                     greg.burd@...
>> Senior Product Manager, Berkeley DB/JE/XML       Oracle Corporation
>
>
>
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[George Feinberg-3]

Chris,

Greg already responded, but I'll add something.

We do our planning based on input from several sources,
the most important being our existing users, both supported
and not.

BDB XML users on this list are encouraged to email feature
suggestions to the list, or in private, for discussion and
consideration.  Greg and I are both happy to receive them.

As an open source product, the more
active the community, the better it will be.

Regards,

George

> (this was originally sent last week but hit a snag on the way to  
> the mailing list)
>
> Working at six pm on a Saturday? That's dedication!
>
> Anyway, to be a little more clear, I'm not so much concerned with the
> Oracle changes but wondering about the upcoming capabilities of the
> product. There are a few patches already posted on the website, and a
> new patch adding new capability to the PHP api was submitted to this
> mailing list in the past week.
>
> Meanwhile I'm running into a couple of snags with dbxml as I try to  
> use
> it in some interactive projects. It would be nice to have some
> indication as to what the near-term future holds for the database  
> for my
> own planning reasons. I'm a big fan of dbxml, but it would be nice to
> know if the areas I'm concerned with will be addressed within the next
> quarter.
>
> It's a completely practical issue. It's hard to chose dbxml as the  
> foundation of a project if I don't know whether it will meet my needs.
>
> ~Chris

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