Debian Project Leader Election 2009 Results

[Debian Project Secretary]

Hi,

The winner of the election is Steve McIntyre.

His new term will start on April 17th, 2009.

The details of the results shall soon be available at:
http://vote.debian.org/2009/vote_001

In the mean time the results are also available at:
http://master.debian.org/~secretary/leader2009/results.txt
http://master.debian.org/~secretary/leader2009/results.png

The tally sheet is at:
http://master.debian.org/~secretary/leader2009/tally.txt

The list of people voting is at:
http://master.debian.org/~secretary/leader2009/voters.txt


Stats for the DPL votes:
|------+------+--------+-------+--------+---------+--------+-----------|
|      |  Num |        | Valid | Unique | Rejects |      % |  Multiple |
| Year |  DDs | Quorum | Votes | Voters |         | Voting | of Quorum |
|------+------+--------+-------+--------+---------+--------+-----------|
| 1999 |  347 | 27.942 |       |    208 |         | 59.942 |   7.44399 |
| 2000 |  347 | 27.942 |       |    216 |         | 62.248 |   7.73030 |
| 2001 |   ?? |     ?? |       |    311 |         |        |           |
| 2002 |  939 | 45.965 |   509 |    475 |     122 | 50.586 |  10.33395 |
| 2003 |  831 | 43.241 |   510 |    488 |     200 | 58.724 |  11.28559 |
| 2004 |  908 | 45.200 |   506 |    482 |      52 | 53.084 |  10.66372 |
| 2005 |  965 | 46.597 |   531 |    504 |      69 | 52.228 |  10.81615 |
| 2006 |  972 | 46.765 |   436 |    421 |      41 | 43.313 |   9.00246 |
| 2007 | 1036 | 48.280 |   521 |    482 |     267 | 46.525 |   9.98343 |
| 2008 | 1075 | 49.181 |   425 |    401 |      35 | 37.302 |   8.15356 |
| 2009 | 1013 | 47.741 |   366 |    361 |      43 | 35.636 |   7.56155 |
|------+------+--------+-------+--------+---------+--------+-----------|


Kurt Roeckx
Debian Project Secretary

[Luigi Gangitano]

Hi Kurt,
can you please report on issue in the voting software that prevented  
some ballots to be processed? I sent my vote twince on April 9 and  
April 11 and got the following answer back:

        This is an error report about your vote [record msg00392.raw]
for the vote
"Debian Project Leader 2009 Election"
sent in on Sat, 11 Apr 2009 15:47:06 +0200, with the subject
"Re: Final call for votes for the Debian Project Leader Elections 2009"
The message ID is <ACEA5AE4-7BC1-4138-BF81-E85C52AC6DB1@...>.
The folowing errors were reported:
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
There was a problem verifying the signature on the ballot.
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
gpg: WARNING: unsafe permissions on homedir `/org/vote.debian.org/data/
leader2009'
gpg: CRC error; 787EDF - DC3787
gpg: no signature found
gpg: the signature could not be verified.
STATUS:
[GNUPG:] NODATA 4-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=

 From the report it seems that the issue was not in the ballot but in  
the voting software setup.

Regards,

L

Il giorno 12/apr/09, alle ore 14:47, Kurt Roeckx - Debian Project  
Secretary ha scritto:
> The list of people voting is at:
> http://master.debian.org/~secretary/leader2009/voters.txt

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[Kurt Roeckx]

On Mon, Apr 13, 2009 at 01:01:38AM +0200, Luigi Gangitano wrote:
> Hi Kurt,
> can you please report on issue in the voting software that prevented  
> some ballots to be processed? I sent my vote twince on April 9 and April
> 11 and got the following answer back:

Hi Luigi,

I wish you contacted me about this before so that we could find a
solution to get your vote counted.

Looking at the mail that was received, I can properly verify your
mail using mutt.  It seems that devotee does not properly handle it.
It seems to have to same effect as not undoing the quoted-printable
encoding.

I will atleast contact devotee's author to see if we can atleast
fix this for future votes.  He will probably want to see a signed
message by your mail program.  Since this is a secret vote, I
think it's best to just send a new signed message.


Kurt


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[Charles Plessy-12]

Le Mon, Apr 13, 2009 at 01:43:36AM +0200, Kurt Roeckx a écrit :
> It seems that devotee does not properly handle it.

Hi all,

at worse, there may be alternatives, like selectricity (.org), which was also
made by a DD.

Unfortunately, it is not packaged…

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[Wesley J. Landaker]

On Sunday 12 April 2009 17:43:36 Kurt Roeckx wrote:

> On Mon, Apr 13, 2009 at 01:01:38AM +0200, Luigi Gangitano wrote:
> > Hi Kurt,
> > can you please report on issue in the voting software that prevented
> > some ballots to be processed? I sent my vote twince on April 9 and April
> > 11 and got the following answer back:
>
> Hi Luigi,
>
> I wish you contacted me about this before so that we could find a
> solution to get your vote counted.

Just a comment: if Luigi sent a valid vote during the correct time frame, and
it was rejected because of a software bug, shouldn't it still count, even if
the problem is not brought up until later, even if you have to add this
information in manually or after the fact? Obviously one vote either way
doesn't affect the result of this election, but IMO voter disenfranchisement
should be taken VERY seriously.


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[Manoj Srivastava]

On Sun, Apr 12 2009, Wesley J. Landaker wrote:

> On Sunday 12 April 2009 17:43:36 Kurt Roeckx wrote:
>> On Mon, Apr 13, 2009 at 01:01:38AM +0200, Luigi Gangitano wrote:
>> > Hi Kurt,
>> > can you please report on issue in the voting software that prevented
>> > some ballots to be processed? I sent my vote twince on April 9 and April
>> > 11 and got the following answer back:
>>
>> Hi Luigi,
>>
>> I wish you contacted me about this before so that we could find a
>> solution to get your vote counted.
>
> Just a comment: if Luigi sent a valid vote during the correct time frame, and
> it was rejected because of a software bug, shouldn't it still count, even if
> the problem is not brought up until later, even if you have to add this
> information in manually or after the fact? Obviously one vote either way
> doesn't affect the result of this election, but IMO voter disenfranchisement
> should be taken VERY seriously.

        What devotee accepts is a proper ascii armored GPG signed mail
 (RFC 2440), or PGP/MIME, which is RFC 3156.

        Sending in a non PGP/MIME message  which is magled by the MTA
 has never been acceptable. If you can't use a decent MUA, then there is
 always  

         mailx -s 'My vote' foo@... < ballot.asc

        Frankly, if would seem that a DD ought o be able to deliver RFC
 compliant mails to vote.d.o.

        manoj
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[Manoj Srivastava]

On Sun, Apr 12 2009, Charles Plessy wrote:

> Le Mon, Apr 13, 2009 at 01:43:36AM +0200, Kurt Roeckx a écrit :
>> It seems that devotee does not properly handle it.

        Devotee follows the standards. That means RFC 2440 or RFC
 3156. If you can point me to an RFC the said vote followed, I'll
 see that it gets support.

        This was PEBKAC.

> at worse, there may be alternatives, like selectricity (.org), which was also
> made by a DD.

> Unfortunately, it is not packaged…

        And it does not do LDAP checks. Nor does it follow the
 constitution as  for quorum and majority reqs. By the time you hack
 that in and verify it ...

        manoj
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[Luigi Gangitano]

Il giorno 13/apr/09, alle ore 06:59, Manoj Srivastava ha scritto:
>        Frankly, if would seem that a DD ought o be able to deliver RFC
> compliant mails to vote.d.o.


You're right. It was my fault not to check the correctness of my  
ballot, but since I've always used this combination of MUA to send my  
votes I have been easily distracted by the warning on unsafe directory  
permissions.

Regards,

L

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[Kalle Kivimaa]

Luigi Gangitano <luigi@...> writes:
> You're right. It was my fault not to check the correctness of my
> ballot, but since I've always used this combination of MUA to send my
> votes I have been easily distracted by the warning on unsafe directory
> permissions.

Devotee is actually a nice way to verify your MUA's compliance when
sending non-ASCII PGP mails. I found out a bug in my Gnus
configuration that way (with Manoj's help).

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[Luigi Gangitano]

Hi Kurt,

Il giorno 13/apr/09, alle ore 01:43, Kurt Roeckx ha scritto:
> I wish you contacted me about this before so that we could find a
> solution to get your vote counted.

Thanks for your report. I did not contact you before, since I oversaw  
the warning in the first vote report and dismissed it as a temporary  
issue in the voting software. I really don't mind my vote not being  
counted this time, it will not affect my future votes. :-) I was only  
trying to figure out if it was a common problem for this vote, and  
thus other votes where rejected, or was just my fault.

> I will atleast contact devotee's author to see if we can atleast
> fix this for future votes.  He will probably want to see a signed
> message by your mail program.  Since this is a secret vote, I
> think it's best to just send a new signed message.


If Manoj wants to look at my ballot you can forward my message to him.  
There is nothing secret in my choice for 2009 DPL.

Regards,

L

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[Kurt Roeckx]

On Mon, Apr 13, 2009 at 11:46:54AM +0200, Luigi Gangitano wrote:

>
> Il giorno 13/apr/09, alle ore 01:43, Kurt Roeckx ha scritto:
>> I wish you contacted me about this before so that we could find a
>> solution to get your vote counted.
>
> Thanks for your report. I did not contact you before, since I oversaw  
> the warning in the first vote report and dismissed it as a temporary  
> issue in the voting software. I really don't mind my vote not being  
> counted this time, it will not affect my future votes. :-) I was only  
> trying to figure out if it was a common problem for this vote, and thus
> other votes where rejected, or was just my fault.
>
>> I will atleast contact devotee's author to see if we can atleast
>> fix this for future votes.  He will probably want to see a signed
>> message by your mail program.  Since this is a secret vote, I
>> think it's best to just send a new signed message.
>
>
> If Manoj wants to look at my ballot you can forward my message to him.  
> There is nothing secret in my choice for 2009 DPL.

I think he understands what the problem is.  And the ballot stated
what the mail needs to comply with.

I will atleast make sure that the warning about the permissions
will go away the next vote.


Kurt


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[Peter Palfrader]

On Sun, 12 Apr 2009, Wesley J. Landaker wrote:

> > I wish you contacted me about this before so that we could find a
> > solution to get your vote counted.
>
> Just a comment: if Luigi sent a valid vote during the correct time frame, and
> it was rejected because of a software bug, shouldn't it still count, even if
> the problem is not brought up until later, even if you have to add this
> information in manually or after the fact?

No.  He got a mail saying there was a problem with his ballot.  Had he
contacted the secretary during the voting period something could have
been done about this - at worst counting his vote manually.  Now it is
too late.

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[Kalle Kivimaa]

Would it be possible to add a pointer to the frequently encountered
problems to the devotee error reply? This would most likely reduce the
burden on the secretary during the voting period and allow people to
solve the problems at their end faster.

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[Kurt Roeckx]

On Mon, Apr 13, 2009 at 01:23:56PM +0300, Kalle Kivimaa wrote:
> Would it be possible to add a pointer to the frequently encountered
> problems to the devotee error reply? This would most likely reduce the
> burden on the secretary during the voting period and allow people to
> solve the problems at their end faster.

I was thinking of setting up a FAQ.


Kurt


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[Stefano Zacchiroli]

On Mon, Apr 13, 2009 at 12:29:22PM +0200, Kurt Roeckx wrote:
> I was thinking of setting up a FAQ.

.oO( Why not a Debian package?, then you would gain BTS support, and
maybe people can help with software maintenance more easily ... )

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[Lucas Nussbaum]

On 14/04/09 at 10:48 +0200, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote:
> On Mon, Apr 13, 2009 at 12:29:22PM +0200, Kurt Roeckx wrote:
> > I was thinking of setting up a FAQ.
>
> .oO( Why not a Debian package?, then you would gain BTS support, and
> maybe people can help with software maintenance more easily ... )

Also, something on my wishlist (and the wishlist of others) for years,
has been a "poll system", which could be used during heated discussions
to get an idea of what the silent majority thinks.
Unfortunately, apparently the secretaries don't have time to work on
that (which I can understand), so it has to be done outside the Debian
infrastructure.
Having such a Debian package would be really useful for that.
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[Stefano Zacchiroli]

On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 02:35:51PM +0200, Lucas Nussbaum wrote:
> Also, something on my wishlist (and the wishlist of others) for years,
> has been a "poll system", which could be used during heated discussions
> to get an idea of what the silent majority thinks.
> Unfortunately, apparently the secretaries don't have time to work on
> that (which I can understand), so it has to be done outside the Debian
> infrastructure.
> Having such a Debian package would be really useful for that.

Full ACK. FWIW, that was actually the main reason for me to propose
that.

An extra benefit, in which the secretary might be interested, is to
give more easily access to the software which is being run to
determine election outcomes to all voters.

Cheers.

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[Manoj Srivastava]

Hi,

        The  current devotee package is far too wedded to the Debian way
 of doing things to be useful as a package. It is far too inglexible,
 and things have ben h a r d   c o d e d.

        I have a devotee-ng in a rewrite now, that is far more modular,
 and, critically, composable -- so the end user creates their vote
 script (essentially, equivalent to the dvt-cron script of today) by
 specifying what components they want to use (a spooler, to live in
 .forward, or not, in case they want to use a web front end, which mime
 exploder, which gpg checker, if any, whether or not to use ldap,
 notification modules, tally modules, display units -- so one may mix
 and match plugins.

        I think that is likely to be usable enough to actually package,
 as opposed to what I wrote under the gun during the 2002 DPL election
 (yes, the election started before devotee  was actually written)

        So, I think any efforts to package the current devotee code are
 a bit of a waste of time, but I won't stop people from doing so.

        manoj
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[Kurt Roeckx]

On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 10:48:12AM +0200, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote:
> On Mon, Apr 13, 2009 at 12:29:22PM +0200, Kurt Roeckx wrote:
> > I was thinking of setting up a FAQ.
>
> .oO( Why not a Debian package?, then you would gain BTS support, and
> maybe people can help with software maintenance more easily ... )

See Manoj's mail about the package.  The version being used
can be checked by any DD.  It's on master in the
/org/vote.debian.org/bin/ dir.

I'm more talking about having a page on www.debian.org that has
things like common errors in it.  And something that better
explains how our voting system works.


Kurt


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