Debian TC representative on the Ubuntu Technical Board

[Colin Watson]

Hi,

At DebConf, on behalf of the Ubuntu Technical Board, I asked the
Technical Committee representatives who were present if they would like
to have a member take a seat on the Ubuntu TB. Since our projects are so
closely related in so many ways, and particularly in light of the
discussions around release coordination, we feel it'd be useful to have
an explicit Debian representative on our governing technical body.

Bdale sounded keen on this idea, saying roughly "I'd be happy to do it,
but perhaps somebody with more time would be even better", and I brought
it up at the TC BOF, but we ran out of time and Bdale advised that I
take it to mail.

Would anyone like to take this up? We'd be happy to work with you to lay
out exactly what the role would involve.

Thanks,

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[Bdale Garbee]

On Tue, 2009-08-04 at 10:32 +0100, Colin Watson wrote:

> Hi,
>
> At DebConf, on behalf of the Ubuntu Technical Board, I asked the
> Technical Committee representatives who were present if they would like
> to have a member take a seat on the Ubuntu TB. Since our projects are so
> closely related in so many ways, and particularly in light of the
> discussions around release coordination, we feel it'd be useful to have
> an explicit Debian representative on our governing technical body.
>
> Bdale sounded keen on this idea, saying roughly "I'd be happy to do it,
> but perhaps somebody with more time would be even better", and I brought
> it up at the TC BOF, but we ran out of time and Bdale advised that I
> take it to mail.

Indeed.  Thanks for following up with us.

> Would anyone like to take this up? We'd be happy to work with you to lay
> out exactly what the role would involve.

I don't have a strong sense of what the Ubuntu Technical Board actually
does on a routine basis.  Is this documented somewhere that you can
point to?  If not, articulating that might be a good next step?  

Bdale



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[Tollef Fog Heen]

]] Bdale Garbee

| I don't have a strong sense of what the Ubuntu Technical Board actually
| does on a routine basis.  Is this documented somewhere that you can
| point to?  If not, articulating that might be a good next step?  

https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TechnicalBoard would probably be a good starting
point.

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[Bdale Garbee]

On Tue, 2009-08-04 at 21:18 +0200, Tollef Fog Heen wrote:
> ]] Bdale Garbee
>
> | I don't have a strong sense of what the Ubuntu Technical Board actually
> | does on a routine basis.  Is this documented somewhere that you can
> | point to?  If not, articulating that might be a good next step?  
>
> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TechnicalBoard would probably be a good starting
> point.

Thanks, that's exactly what I was looking for.  I poked around a bit,
including reading the IRC logs of the last couple meetings.  

Colin, you mentioned some opportunity to define exactly what the role
should involve... I'd be pleased to know more about what you hope to
achieve and thus what sort of time commitment we're talking about?

Bdale



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[Colin Watson]

On Tue, Aug 04, 2009 at 04:53:14PM -0600, Bdale Garbee wrote:
> Colin, you mentioned some opportunity to define exactly what the role
> should involve... I'd be pleased to know more about what you hope to
> achieve and thus what sort of time commitment we're talking about?

Hi, sorry for the slow response.

We'd like to see that most significant technical discussions at the
board level in Ubuntu have some Debian involvement as well, so that we
can share advice, learn from each other's history, compare notes on
contentious issues that are coming up in both distributions, etc. (This
is as opposed to more local governance kinds of things; for example the
TB is currently the approver of new developer applications, although
we're about to devolve that. A Debian representative would probably not
be hugely interested in this kind of thing, although there's no reason
for those discussions to be closed.)

Like the TC, we're a body of last resort and so don't get involved in
every last operational detail, but quite a few interesting things have
come up for our review lately: samples over the last couple of months
include Mono's patent status, non-trivial updates to ClamAV in stable
releases, standards for base-2 vs. base-10 prefixes in user-visible
text, and best practices on statistics gathering for developers, all of
which seem to be immediately or potentially interesting for Debian too.
If it helps to get a handle on the time commitment involved, I reckon
that at the moment we're getting perhaps one issue every two weeks or so
that's not primarily internal to Ubuntu, and that might be of interest
to a Debian representative.

We can't really define the role without Debian involvement, so that's
part of what the representative would need to do; but does that give you
some idea of what we're talking about?

Regards,

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[Colin Watson]

On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 06:34:35PM +0100, Colin Watson wrote:

> We'd like to see that most significant technical discussions at the
> board level in Ubuntu have some Debian involvement as well, so that we
> can share advice, learn from each other's history, compare notes on
> contentious issues that are coming up in both distributions, etc. (This
> is as opposed to more local governance kinds of things; for example the
> TB is currently the approver of new developer applications, although
> we're about to devolve that. A Debian representative would probably not
> be hugely interested in this kind of thing, although there's no reason
> for those discussions to be closed.)
>
> Like the TC, we're a body of last resort and so don't get involved in
> every last operational detail, but quite a few interesting things have
> come up for our review lately: samples over the last couple of months
> include Mono's patent status, non-trivial updates to ClamAV in stable
> releases, standards for base-2 vs. base-10 prefixes in user-visible
> text, and best practices on statistics gathering for developers, all of
> which seem to be immediately or potentially interesting for Debian too.
> If it helps to get a handle on the time commitment involved, I reckon
> that at the moment we're getting perhaps one issue every two weeks or so
> that's not primarily internal to Ubuntu, and that might be of interest
> to a Debian representative.
>
> We can't really define the role without Debian involvement, so that's
> part of what the representative would need to do; but does that give you
> some idea of what we're talking about?

Any word on this? I'd just like to keep the discussion alive.

Thanks,

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[Bdale Garbee]

On Tue, 2009-08-25 at 15:30 +0100, Colin Watson wrote:

> Any word on this? I'd just like to keep the discussion alive.

I was sort of waiting to see if anyone else on the committee jumped in.
Since they haven't, sign me up, and I'll personally make time at least
long enough to help define what the role of a Debian representative
should be and see how this works out...

Bdale



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[Russ Allbery-2]

Bdale Garbee <bdale@...> writes:
> On Tue, 2009-08-25 at 15:30 +0100, Colin Watson wrote:

>> Any word on this? I'd just like to keep the discussion alive.

> I was sort of waiting to see if anyone else on the committee jumped in.
> Since they haven't, sign me up, and I'll personally make time at least
> long enough to help define what the role of a Debian representative
> should be and see how this works out...

I might be willing to do something like this in the future, but right now
is a particularly bad time for me and I unfortunately can't make the
additional time committment.  However, I'm watching with interest and
keeping this in mind as something I might be able to help with down the
road if a rotation of duties looks like a good idea.

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[Colin Watson]

On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 01:23:53PM -0600, Bdale Garbee wrote:
> On Tue, 2009-08-25 at 15:30 +0100, Colin Watson wrote:
> > Any word on this? I'd just like to keep the discussion alive.
>
> I was sort of waiting to see if anyone else on the committee jumped in.
> Since they haven't, sign me up, and I'll personally make time at least
> long enough to help define what the role of a Debian representative
> should be and see how this works out...

OK, thanks. I've belatedly subscribed you to the technical-board@ list
(if bdale@... is the wrong address, please shout), and we can
continue the discussion there.

Our IRC meetings are at 1400 UTC on Tuesdays (which I realise is
extremely short notice for you today, so don't worry about that too
much!) on #ubuntu-meeting on Freenode. They're public anyway of course,
but you're very welcome to attend.

Thanks,

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