Depends overkill, how do you weed out the packages

[VR-10]

I have a fresh install of Debian Lenny 503 amd64 via a netinst CDROM. I've
only installed a couple of packages like openbox because I want to run as
lean a desktop I can to try out virtualbox-3.0.

I figured openbox would be enough to handle the "GUI" needed for
virtualbox-3.0 but after adding the official repository to my sources list
I get a bunch of KDE and audio hits when trying to install VirtualBox.

This doesn't seem right so I am looking for pointers on how to trim down
this list of what I perceive as excessive bloat. Included is the list of
"stuff" Lenny wants me to install. I've marked some of the things I think I
know what they are which are features I for sure don't want but at the same
time I don't want a busted unusable system by forcibly not installing them.
Any advice or wisdom from those who have gone before me to do battle
against dependencies would be greatly appreciated!




aptitude install virtualbox-3.0
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree
Reading state information... Done
Reading extended state information
Initializing package states... Done
The following NEW packages will be installed:
 aspell{a} [no]
 aspell-en{a} [no]
 binutils{a}
 ca-certificates{a} [no]
 cpp{a}
 cpp-4.1{a}
 cpp-4.3{a}
 dbus{a}
 dbus-x11{a}
 dictionaries-common{a} [no]
 djvulibre-desktop{a} [no]
 fam{a}
 gcc{a}
 gcc-4.1{a}
 gcc-4.1-base{a}
 gcc-4.3{a}
 ghostscript{a} [no]
 gs-common{a}
 gsfonts{a}
 hal{a}
 hal-info{a}
 hicolor-icon-theme{a}
 htdig{a}
 kde-icons-oxygen{a} [no]
 kdebase-runtime{a}
 kdebase-runtime-bin-kde4{a} [no]
 kdebase-runtime-data{a}  [no]
 kdebase-runtime-data-common{a} [no]
 kdelibs-bin{a} [no]
 kdelibs5{a} [no]
 kdelibs5-data{a} [no]
 khelpcenter4{a} [no]
 libaa1{a}
 libasound2{a}
 libaspell15{a} [no]
 libasyncns0{a}
 libatk1.0-0{a}
 libatk1.0-data{a}
 libaudio2{a} [no]
 libavc1394-0{a} [no]
 libavcodec51{a} [no]
 libavutil49{a} [no]
 libc6-dev{a}
 libcaca0{a}
 libcap1{a}
 libclucene0ldbl{a}
 libcroco3{a}
 libcucul0{a}
 libcups2{a} [no]
 libcupsimage2{a} [no]
 libcurl3{a}
 libdb4.5{a}
 libdbus-1-3{a}
 libdbus-glib-1-2{a}
 libdirectfb-extra{a}
 libdjvulibre21{a}
 libdrm2{a}
 libenchant1c2a{a}
 libfaad0{a}
 libfam0{a}
 libflac8{a} [no]
 libfreebob0{a}
 libgd2-noxpm{a}
 libgif4{a}
 libgl1-mesa-glx{a}
 libglu1-mesa{a}
 libgmp3c2{a} [no]
 libgomp1{a}
 libgpm2{a}
 libgraphviz4{a} [no]
 libgs8{a}
 libgsf-1-114{a}
 libgsf-1-common{a}
 libgsm1{a}
 libgtk2.0-0{a}
 libgtk2.0-bin{a}
 libgtk2.0-common{a}
 libhal-storage1{a}
 libhal1{a}
 libhunspell-1.2-0{a} [no]
 libidn11{a}
 libiec61883-0{a}
 libilmbase6{a}
 libjack0{a} [no]
 libjasper1{a} [no]
 libjpeg62{a} [no]
 liblcms1{a}
 libldap-2.4-2{a} [no]
 liblockfile1{a}
 libltdl3{a}
 liblzo2-2{a}
 libmad0{a}
 libmagick10{a} [no]
 libmalaga7{a}
 libmng1{a}
 libmodplug0c2{a}
 libmpcdec3{a}
 libmpfr1ldbl{a}
 libmysqlclient15off{a}
 libogg0{a}
 libokularcore1{a}
 libopenexr6{a}
 libpaper-utils{a}
 libpaper1{a}
 libpci3{a}
 libphonon4{a}
 libpoppler-qt4-3{a}
 libpoppler3{a}
 libpostproc51{a}
 libpq5{a}
 libpulse0{a} [no]
 libqca2{a}
 libqimageblitz4{a}
 libqt4-core{a} [no]
 libqt4-dbus{a} [no]
 libqt4-designer{a} [no]
 libqt4-network{a} [no]
 libqt4-qt3support{a} [no]
 libqt4-script{a} [no]
 libqt4-sql{a} [no]
 libqt4-sql-mysql{a} [no]
 libqt4-svg{a} [no]
 libqt4-test{a} [no]
 libqt4-xml{a} [no]
 libqtcore4{a} [no]
 libqtgui4{a} [no]
 libraptor1{a}
 librasqal0{a}
 libraw1394-8{a}
 librdf0{a}
 librsvg2-2{a}
 libsdl-ttf2.0-0{a}
 libsdl1.2debian{a}
 libsdl1.2debian-alsa{a}
 libsmbclient{a} [no]
 libsmbios-bin{a}
 libsmbios2{a}
 libsoprano4{a}
 libspectre1{a}
 libspeex1{a}
 libsplashy1{a}
 libsqlite3-0{a} [no]
 libssh2-1{a}
 libstreamanalyzer0{a}
 libstreams0{a}
 libstrigiqtdbusclient0{a}
 libsvga1{a}
 libtalloc1{a}
 libtheora0{a}
 libtiff4{a}
 libvoikko1{a}
 libvorbis0a{a} [no]
 libvorbisenc2{a} [no]
 libwavpack1{a} [no]
 libwbclient0{a}
 libwmf0.2-7{a}
 libx86-1{a}
 libxcb-shape0{a}
 libxcb-shm0{a}
 libxcb-xv0{a}
 libxcomposite1{a}
 libxcursor1{a}
 libxdamage1{a}
 libxfixes3{a}
 libxi6{a}
 libxine1{a} [no]
 libxine1-bin{a} [no]
 libxine1-console{a} [no]
 libxine1-ffmpeg{a} [no]
 libxine1-misc-plugins{a} [no]
 libxine1-plugins{a}   [no]
 libxine1-x{a} [no]
 libxml2-utils{a} [no]
 libxmu6{a}
 libxslt1.1{a}
 libxt6{a}
 libxtst6{a}
 libxv1{a}
 libxvmc1{a}
 libxxf86vm1{a}
 linux-headers-2.6-amd64{a}
 linux-headers-2.6.26-2-amd64{a}
 linux-headers-2.6.26-2-common{a}
 linux-kbuild-2.6.26{a}
 linux-libc-dev{a}
 lockfile-progs{a}
 make{a}
 mime-support{a}
 myspell-en-us{a} [no]
 mysql-common{a} [no]
 okular{a}
 openssl{a}
 pciutils{a}
 phonon{a}
 phonon-backend-xine{a} [no]
 pm-utils{a}
 pmount{a}
 portmap{a} [no]
 powermgmt-base{a} [no]
 psfontmgr{a}
 psmisc{a}
 python{a}
 python-central{a}
 python-minimal{a}
 python2.5{a}
 python2.5-minimal{a}
 qt4-qtconfig{a} [no]
 radeontool{a}
 raptor-utils{a}
 redland-utils{a}
 shared-mime-info{a}
 svgalibg1{a}
 uswsusp{a}
 vbetool{a}
 virtualbox-3.0
0 packages upgraded, 215 newly installed, 0 to remove and 1 not upgraded.
Need to get 204MB of archives. After unpacking 501MB will be used.
Do you want to continue? [Y/n/?] n
Abort.


--
To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-REQUEST@...
with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmaster@...

[celejar]

On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 16:23:37 -0500
vr <debian-user@...> wrote:

...

> This doesn't seem right so I am looking for pointers on how to trim down
> this list of what I perceive as excessive bloat. Included is the list of
> "stuff" Lenny wants me to install. I've marked some of the things I think I
> know what they are which are features I for sure don't want but at the same
> time I don't want a busted unusable system by forcibly not installing them.
> Any advice or wisdom from those who have gone before me to do battle
> against dependencies would be greatly appreciated!

'aptitude why some_package' can be useful.

Celejar
--
foffl.sourceforge.net - Feeds OFFLine, an offline RSS/Atom aggregator
mailmin.sourceforge.net - remote access via secure (OpenPGP) email
ssuds.sourceforge.net - A Simple Sudoku Solver and Generator


--
To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-REQUEST@...
with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmaster@...

[Andrew Sackville-West]

On Thu, Nov 05, 2009 at 04:23:37PM -0500, vr wrote:

> I have a fresh install of Debian Lenny 503 amd64 via a netinst CDROM. I've
> only installed a couple of packages like openbox because I want to run as
> lean a desktop I can to try out virtualbox-3.0.
>
> I figured openbox would be enough to handle the "GUI" needed for
> virtualbox-3.0 but after adding the official repository to my sources list
> I get a bunch of KDE and audio hits when trying to install VirtualBox.
>
> This doesn't seem right so I am looking for pointers on how to trim down
> this list of what I perceive as excessive bloat.

without looking closely at the actual dependencies of what you are
installing, have you looked at the -R option to aptitude? There are
configuration items to coincide as well. Basically, it prevents the
automatic installation of "Recommends" packages.

A

[VR-10]

On Thu, 5 Nov 2009 13:57:56 -0800, Andrew Sackville-West
<andrew@...> wrote:
> [...] have you looked at the -R option to aptitude? [...]
> A

No, classic clueless newb syndrome from me. It did not occur to me based
on the returned output I got before that aptitude was mingling recommended
packages with required packages. I'm newly switched to aptitude vs. apt-get
so I'll need to re-discover those kinds of nuances.

This new output gives me something I can feel a little better about and
move forward, Thank you!

aptitude -R install virtualbox-3.0
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree
Reading state information... Done
Reading extended state information
Initializing package states... Done
The following NEW packages will be installed:
 ca-certificates{a}
 libasound2{a}
 libaudio2{a}
 libcurl3{a}
 libdb4.5{a}
 libidn11{a}
 libjpeg62{a}
 liblcms1{a}
 libldap-2.4-2{a}
 libmng1{a}
 libqt4-network{a}
 libqtcore4{a}
 libqtgui4{a}
 libsdl1.2debian{a}
 libsdl1.2debian-alsa{a}
 libsqlite3-0{a}
 libssh2-1{a}
 libsvga1{a}
 libtiff4{a}
 libx86-1{a}
 libxcursor1{a}
 libxfixes3{a}
 libxi6{a}
 libxmu6{a}
 libxslt1.1{a}
 libxt6{a}
 mime-support{a}
 openssl{a}
 psmisc{a}
 python2.5{a}
 python2.5-minimal{a}
 svgalibg1{a}
 virtualbox-3.0
The following packages are RECOMMENDED but will NOT be installed:
 binutils
 epdfview
 evince
 evince-gtk
 gcc
 gv
 kghostview
 kpdf
 libgl1-mesa-glx
 libgl1-mesa-swx11
 libhal1
 libpulse0
 libsdl-ttf2.0-0
 linux-headers-2.6-amd64
 linux-headers-2.6-openvz-amd64
 linux-headers-2.6-vserver-amd64
 linux-headers-2.6-xen-amd64
 linux-headers-2.6.26-1-amd64
 linux-headers-2.6.26-1-openvz-amd64
 linux-headers-2.6.26-1-vserver-amd64
 linux-headers-2.6.26-1-xen-amd64
 linux-headers-2.6.26-2-amd64
 linux-headers-2.6.26-2-openvz-amd64
 linux-headers-2.6.26-2-vserver-amd64
 linux-headers-2.6.26-2-xen-amd64
 make
 okular
 python-central
 qt4-qtconfig
 viewpdf.app
 xpdf-reader
 xpdf-utils
packages upgraded, 33 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
Need to get 60.5MB of archives. After unpacking 137MB will be used.
Do you want to continue? [Y/n/?]


--
To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-REQUEST@...
with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmaster@...

[Daniel Burrows]

On Thu, Nov 05, 2009 at 04:30:45PM -0500, Celejar <celejar@...> was heard to say:

> On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 16:23:37 -0500
> vr <debian-user@...> wrote:
>
> ...
>
> > This doesn't seem right so I am looking for pointers on how to trim down
> > this list of what I perceive as excessive bloat. Included is the list of
> > "stuff" Lenny wants me to install. I've marked some of the things I think I
> > know what they are which are features I for sure don't want but at the same
> > time I don't want a busted unusable system by forcibly not installing them.
> > Any advice or wisdom from those who have gone before me to do battle
> > against dependencies would be greatly appreciated!
>
> 'aptitude why some_package' can be useful.

  Possibly also adding "--show-why" to that install command.

  Daniel


--
To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-REQUEST@...
with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmaster@...