Desktop widget like Windows Vista sidebar/clock thing?

[david-602]

Windows Vista has a desktop widget thing (I think they call it the Side
Bar?) that shows some news headlines in a vertical list and a big analog
clock. My wife saw that on my parents' Windows Vista PC - and now she
wants that on her desktop. Sigh.

Anything like it for KDE?

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On 5/10-2009 10:51 david <gnome@...> wrote:
> Windows Vista has a desktop widget thing (I think they call it the Side
> Bar?) that shows some news headlines in a vertical list and a big analog
> clock. My wife saw that on my parents' Windows Vista PC - and now she
> wants that on her desktop. Sigh.
>
> Anything like it for KDE?
>

Like this?

http://picasaweb.google.com/tanghus/Screenies#5389043974390891410

Just add a panel, resize it, set it to auto hide, add widgets "Analog Clock"
and "RSSNOW". Easy peasy ;-)

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Hi David,

I can't check myself right now but you could try this:

Add a panel on a side of your screen

Add the "News" (not sure of the english name, the icon is RSS orange icon) and "analogic clock" plasmoids to this panel

Set this panel to auto-hide

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2009/10/5 david <gnome@...>

Windows Vista has a desktop widget thing (I think they call it the Side
Bar?) that shows some news headlines in a vertical list and a big analog
clock. My wife saw that on my parents' Windows Vista PC - and now she
wants that on her desktop. Sigh.

Anything like it for KDE?

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[Duncan-2]

david posted on Sun, 04 Oct 2009 22:51:25 -1000 as excerpted:

> Windows Vista has a desktop widget thing (I think they call it the Side
> Bar?) that shows some news headlines in a vertical list and a big analog
> clock. My wife saw that on my parents' Windows Vista PC - and now she
> wants that on her desktop. Sigh.
>
> Anything like it for KDE?

In addition to the suggestions of the others, there's a plasmoid
available for download on kdelook with the purpose of cloning the MS
sidebar for KDE.  I was looking for something else and not much
interested in it when I came across it, so IDR that much more about it,
including the name, but it's there, if you're interested in searching for
it.

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[david-602]

Thomas Olsen wrote:

> On 5/10-2009 10:51 david wrote:
>> Windows Vista has a desktop widget thing (I think they call it the Side
>> Bar?) that shows some news headlines in a vertical list and a big analog
>> clock. My wife saw that on my parents' Windows Vista PC - and now she
>> wants that on her desktop. Sigh.
>>
>> Anything like it for KDE?
>
> Like this?
>
> http://picasaweb.google.com/tanghus/Screenies#5389043974390891410
>
> Just add a panel, resize it, set it to auto hide, add widgets "Analog Clock"
> and "RSSNOW". Easy peasy ;-)

Kolia wrote:

> I can't check myself right now but you could try this:
>
> Add a panel on a side of your screen
> Add the "News" (not sure of the english name, the icon is RSS orange icon) and "analogic clock" plasmoids to this panel
> Set this panel to auto-hide

Duncan wrote:

> In addition to the suggestions of the others, there's a plasmoid
> available for download on kdelook with the purpose of cloning the MS
> sidebar for KDE.  I was looking for something else and not much
> interested in it when I came across it, so IDR that much more about it,
> including the name, but it's there, if you're interested in searching for
> it.

Thanks, all. Now I just have to convince my wife to accept changing her
UI from KDE3 to KDE4 ... or I can just browse around at kdelook.org and
see if something there works with KDE3.

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[Duncan-2]

david posted on Mon, 05 Oct 2009 23:03:03 -1000 as excerpted:

> Thomas Olsen wrote:
>> On 5/10-2009 10:51 david wrote:
>>> Windows Vista has a desktop widget thing (I think they call it the
>>> Side Bar?) that shows some news headlines in a vertical list and a big
>>> analog clock. My wife saw that on my parents' Windows Vista PC - and
>>> now she wants that on her desktop. Sigh.
>>>
>>> Anything like it for KDE?
>>
>> Like this?
>>
>> http://picasaweb.google.com/tanghus/Screenies#5389043974390891410
>>
>> Just add a panel, resize it, set it to auto hide, add widgets "Analog
>> Clock" and "RSSNOW". Easy peasy ;-)
>
> Kolia wrote:
>
>> I can't check myself right now but you could try this:
>>
>> Add a panel on a side of your screen
>> Add the "News" (not sure of the english name, the icon is RSS orange
>> icon) and "analogic clock" plasmoids to this panel Set this panel to
>> auto-hide
>
> Duncan wrote:
>
>> In addition to the suggestions of the others, there's a plasmoid
>> available for download on kdelook with the purpose of cloning the MS
>> sidebar for KDE.  I was looking for something else and not much
>> interested in it when I came across it, so IDR that much more about it,
>> including the name, but it's there, if you're interested in searching
>> for it.
>
> Thanks, all. Now I just have to convince my wife to accept changing her
> UI from KDE3 to KDE4 ... or I can just browse around at kdelook.org and
> see if something there works with KDE3.

If you'd have /said/ kde3 (kde4 is the default assumption 'round here)...

That picasaweb url doesn't show anything here, presumably because it
requires flash or some other proprietary stuff I won't have on my
computer.  So I'm flying a bit blind, except for the sidebars I've
happened to see running on other people's computers, and based on the
description above...

For kde3, for rss, there's the knewsticker application and kicker
applet.  Of course, there's also the clock kicker applet.  I always used
digital (tho I have a nice big analog one on my kde4 desktop ATM,
professional plasma theme off of kde-look, goes very well with the Beach
reflecting clouds wallpaper from I think the kde4 weather wallpapers pkg,
they're both black and white with the interior of the clock fully
transparent lending an extremely effective modern art look and feel to
that plasma workspace), but IIRC there was an analog applet for it as
well.  If not by default, I'm sure kdelook has an analog clock kicker
applet or two "kicking" (<g>) around.

You can of course set a vertical kicker panel on autohide just as you can
with kde4, and it's possible to set it transparent as well, tho I think
it's actually "fake" transparency for the panels in kde3.  (There was
true composite transparency as an effect available for kwin, from kde
3.5.1 IIRC, if your graphics hardware and X supported it of course, but
that was only for application windows.  I think the panel transparency
was all faked for kde3.  But the effect was still very nice.)

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Duncan wrote:

> david posted on Mon, 05 Oct 2009 23:03:03 -1000 as excerpted:
>
>> Thomas Olsen wrote:
>>> On 5/10-2009 10:51 david wrote:
>>>> Windows Vista has a desktop widget thing (I think they call it the
>>>> Side Bar?) that shows some news headlines in a vertical list and a big
>>>> analog clock. My wife saw that on my parents' Windows Vista PC - and
>>>> now she wants that on her desktop. Sigh.
>>>>
>>>> Anything like it for KDE?
>>> Like this?
>>>
>>> http://picasaweb.google.com/tanghus/Screenies#5389043974390891410
>>>
>>> Just add a panel, resize it, set it to auto hide, add widgets "Analog
>>> Clock" and "RSSNOW". Easy peasy ;-)
>> Kolia wrote:
>>
>>> I can't check myself right now but you could try this:
>>>
>>> Add a panel on a side of your screen
>>> Add the "News" (not sure of the english name, the icon is RSS orange
>>> icon) and "analogic clock" plasmoids to this panel Set this panel to
>>> auto-hide
>> Duncan wrote:
>>
>>> In addition to the suggestions of the others, there's a plasmoid
>>> available for download on kdelook with the purpose of cloning the MS
>>> sidebar for KDE.  I was looking for something else and not much
>>> interested in it when I came across it, so IDR that much more about it,
>>> including the name, but it's there, if you're interested in searching
>>> for it.
>> Thanks, all. Now I just have to convince my wife to accept changing her
>> UI from KDE3 to KDE4 ... or I can just browse around at kdelook.org and
>> see if something there works with KDE3.
>
> If you'd have /said/ kde3 (kde4 is the default assumption 'round here)...

Really? Sad. When KDE4 finally gets out of beta (about v4.5, I think),
then it can be the "default" assumption. ;-)

> That picasaweb url doesn't show anything here, presumably because it
> requires flash or some other proprietary stuff I won't have on my
> computer.

I viewed it in FF with NoScript and had to temporarily allow scripting
for ggpht.com. It looks nice but lacks any kind of transparency for the
background. It also looks like KDE4.

> So I'm flying a bit blind, except for the sidebars I've
> happened to see running on other people's computers, and based on the
> description above...
>
> For kde3, for rss, there's the knewsticker application and kicker
> applet.  Of course, there's also the clock kicker applet.  I always used
> digital (tho I have a nice big analog one on my kde4 desktop ATM,
> professional plasma theme off of kde-look, goes very well with the Beach
> reflecting clouds wallpaper from I think the kde4 weather wallpapers pkg,
> they're both black and white with the interior of the clock fully
> transparent lending an extremely effective modern art look and feel to
> that plasma workspace), but IIRC there was an analog applet for it as
> well.  If not by default, I'm sure kdelook has an analog clock kicker
> applet or two "kicking" (<g>) around.
>
> You can of course set a vertical kicker panel on autohide just as you can
> with kde4, and it's possible to set it transparent as well, tho I think
> it's actually "fake" transparency for the panels in kde3.  (There was
> true composite transparency as an effect available for kwin, from kde
> 3.5.1 IIRC, if your graphics hardware and X supported it of course, but
> that was only for application windows.  I think the panel transparency
> was all faked for kde3.  But the effect was still very nice.)

Thanks. I added a vertical panel, added the analog clock, KDE3
apparently doesn't let me tweak the width of the panel or anything.
Adding the KDE3 newsticker app gave me a segfault. And now my taskbar
appears to be gone (sounds like eye candy can be dangerous) ... oh,
well, I think I'll just ignore this request of hers unless she brings it up.

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On 6/10-2009 11:44 Duncan <1i5t5.duncan@...> wrote:
> > Thomas Olsen wrote:
> >> Like this?
> >>
> >> http://picasaweb.google.com/tanghus/Screenies#5389043974390891410
> That picasaweb url doesn't show anything here, presumably because it
> requires flash or some other proprietary stuff I won't have on my

I don't think it requires anything else than javascript but here's a direct
link:

http://lh6.ggpht.com/_Qbdjgwp9Z-
I/Ssm68TyHQ5I/AAAAAAAAAJE/IyG4SK85Lsg/s800/sidebar.png

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On 6/10-2009 12:14 david <gnome@...> wrote:
> Duncan wrote:
> > That picasaweb url doesn't show anything here, presumably because it
> > requires flash or some other proprietary stuff I won't have on my
> > computer.
>
> I viewed it in FF with NoScript and had to temporarily allow scripting
> for ggpht.com. It looks nice but lacks any kind of transparency for the
> background. It also looks like KDE4.

My Intel graphics driver sucks so no desktop effects here. Looking forward to
Kubuntu 9.10 where it should be improved. And yes; it's KDE4. I'm a convinced
KDE4 user now :-) It rocks!

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On Tuesday 06 October 2009 10:03:03 david wrote:
> Thanks, all. Now I just have to convince my wife to accept changing her
> UI from KDE3 to KDE4 ... or I can just browse around at kdelook.org and
> see if something there works with KDE3.
>
David, if you do decide to try for KDE4, set the desktop type to Folderview.  
Most things then function just as they did in KDE3.  It's a good way to start
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[Duncan-2]

david posted on Tue, 06 Oct 2009 00:14:50 -1000 as excerpted:

> Really? Sad. When KDE4 finally gets out of beta (about v4.5, I think),
> then it can be the "default" assumption. ;-)

I agree (to the point I'm sure some around here consider me a Johnny
Onenote on the topic).  I'm fine running betas and alphas and even raw
direct-git-synced repos, and 4.2.4 was finally getting to early beta
level, basically.  4.3.0 and 4.3.1 each fixed some more serious bugs, I'd
say late beta, now, and 4.4.0 (set for February) is looking to fix a
number of others that can't be fixed in the 4.3 series.  I'd say it
should be rc level, with 4.5 being, finally, full release level,
hopefully.

Unfortunately, I'm not sure it'll actually work that way, at least for
anyone reliant on kmail, etc, because 4.4 is supposed to switch
kaddressbook to akonadi, and 4.5 is supposed to be the kmail switch.  
That's likely to bring about a whole new set of bugs that will, if
developments flow according to kde4 type, put them back at beta or even
pre-beta stability and usability levels.  If that does indeed occur, it's
likely to be 4.6 or 4.7 before they stabilize.

At least the koffice folks flat-out state they're not ready for normal
use with their kde4 stuff, yet.

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[Duncan-2]

Thomas Olsen posted on Tue, 06 Oct 2009 12:20:50 +0200 as excerpted:

> I don't think it requires anything else than javascript but here's a
> direct link:
>
> http://lh6.ggpht.com/_Qbdjgwp9Z-
> I/Ssm68TyHQ5I/AAAAAAAAAJE/IyG4SK85Lsg/s800/sidebar.png

I tried it in firefox when konqueror didn't work (since firefox/noscript/
jsview makes scripting so much easier to control than konqueror, and
clicking the allow-page made the unsupported but you're welcome to look
around box go away, but it didn't actually display anything still.

Turns out I needed to specifically enable ggpht's script, however, as the
toggle-page didn't toggle it for some reason, even tho it wasn't in the
untrusted list (in fact, nothing on the page was).

Thanks for the direct-link, tho.  The photo was as I expected...

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[Duncan-2]

david posted on Tue, 06 Oct 2009 00:14:50 -1000 as excerpted:

> Thanks. I added a vertical panel, added the analog clock, KDE3
> apparently doesn't let me tweak the width of the panel or anything.
> Adding the KDE3 newsticker app gave me a segfault. And now my taskbar
> appears to be gone (sounds like eye candy can be dangerous) ... oh,
> well, I think I'll just ignore this request of hers unless she brings it
> up.

You should be able to tweak panel width.  I'm not sure what the limit was
based on (IOW, it may have been screen pixel size, so smaller screens
would have been lower max sizes), but on a horizontal kicker panel, the
first/original panel would let me set upto 256 px height, IIRC, while
added panels actually allowed larger, 300 height.  That was on a 1200 px
high screen.

IIRC one could select from a range of presets (tiny, small, normal,
large, huge) plus a "custom" size, which allowed the 256 or 300 high
horizontal.  I know I had vertical panels as well part of the time, and
they were adjustable too, but didn't use them as much, so IDR what the
max width was.

The trick was to find a "bare" spot to right-click on, because many of
the widgets didn't include the panel menu.

I'm not sure whether you were just being a bit sloppy with your
description or whether you actually tried to embed the app itself, but
note that you would NOT embed the knewsticker app, which is stand-alone,
but the knewsticker kicker applet.  I'm not sure how one would even
attempt to embed the app itself in the kicker panel, but if figured out a
way to try, yeah, I can see that segfaulting, since it would need the
applet, not the full app.

FWIW, you may have better luck running the knewsticker app stand-alone to
set it up, then when at least one working feed is configured, trying to
add it then in the panel.  It's possible that the default feed was for a
kde3 feed that's no longer active, or something.

As for the segfaulting, yes, unfortunately, in both kde3/kicker and kde4/
plasma, a misbehaving applet can take down the whole kicker/plasma main
app.  That's because it's all running in the same single-app memory
space, without the normal cross-app protections.  kde3 and kde4 deal with
that in a bit different ways.  In kde3, kicker was only the panels, so
the desktop still worked.  In kde4, plasma is desktop and panels, but it
does tend to restart a bit more reliably than kde3's kicker did.

What I took to doing, however, was ensuring I had a konsole running any
time I was experimenting with something.  If kicker died, I could simply
restart it from konsole.  Or, if you have a konqueror session running,
you can probably use it to browse to whatever the system kde bindir is
(/usr/bin, maybe), find kicker, and start it that way.  Or a kate or
kwrite window has an optional konsole pane that can be activated.  Or,
switch to a text-mode terminal and start it from there, tho you'll
probably need the display setting (probably 0:0 or simply :0) in ordered
to do that.  The point is, it's usually restartable, if one is
sufficiently creative with the existing running apps, or from a text mode
VT login, if necessary.

Of course, a crashed app normally takes an recent changes you've made to
its config with it.  So what I'd do if I had problems with that, would be
after a change that "took" but before anything else too risky, I'd use
killall to send a SIGTERM to kicker, which would cause it to close,
saving its data.  I could then restart it, which would of course use the
newly saved config, and I could then try the risky operation without
having to worry about losing any painstakingly configured new settings,
since I had just saved the settings.

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I think this could go to Userbase. I can report it there.

Where could it be reported? (that is what would be the best section?)

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2009/10/6 david <gnome@...>

Thomas Olsen wrote:

> On 5/10-2009 10:51 david wrote:
>> Windows Vista has a desktop widget thing (I think they call it the Side
>> Bar?) that shows some news headlines in a vertical list and a big analog
>> clock. My wife saw that on my parents' Windows Vista PC - and now she
>> wants that on her desktop. Sigh.
>>
>> Anything like it for KDE?
>
> Like this?
>
> http://picasaweb.google.com/tanghus/Screenies#5389043974390891410
>
> Just add a panel, resize it, set it to auto hide, add widgets "Analog Clock"
> and "RSSNOW". Easy peasy ;-)

Kolia wrote:

> I can't check myself right now but you could try this:
>
> Add a panel on a side of your screen
> Add the "News" (not sure of the english name, the icon is RSS orange icon) and "analogic clock" plasmoids to this panel
> Set this panel to auto-hide

Duncan wrote:

> In addition to the suggestions of the others, there's a plasmoid
> available for download on kdelook with the purpose of cloning the MS
> sidebar for KDE.  I was looking for something else and not much
> interested in it when I came across it, so IDR that much more about it,
> including the name, but it's there, if you're interested in searching for
> it.

Thanks, all. Now I just have to convince my wife to accept changing her
UI from KDE3 to KDE4 ... or I can just browse around at kdelook.org and
see if something there works with KDE3.

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On Tuesday 06 October 2009 16:10:49 Thelwyn wrote:
> I think this could go to Userbase. I can report it there.
>
> Where could it be reported? (that is what would be the best section?)
>
Seems to me that it's definitely a plasma topic, so it could be added to
http://userbase.kde.org/Plasma/FAQ.  

OTOH, if you would really like to do something extra nice ;-) Hans Chen
(Mogger) shows you, on http://userbase.kde.org/Plasma/FAQ/HowTo how to make an
animated gif mini-how-to video.  He gives the code to do it.

Either way, yes, it would be good to see it on userbase.

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On 6/10-2009 17:10 Thelwyn <thelwyn@...> wrote:
> I think this could go to Userbase. I can report it there.
>
> Where could it be reported? (that is what would be the best section?)
>

Somewhere under Tutorials/Workspace maybe? Tweaking Plasma :-)

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[tcoulon]

On Tuesday 06 October 2009, Anne Wilson wrote:
> David, if you do decide to try for KDE4, set the desktop type to
> Folderview. Most things then function just as they did in KDE3.  It's a
> good way to start off a new user.
>
> Anne

It also as a flavour of good old cli *nix: you need to open a console to mount
anything :)  I suppose they call it a feature....

Thierry

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[tcoulon]

On Tuesday 06 October 2009, Duncan wrote:
> Unfortunately, I'm not sure it'll actually work that way, at least for
> anyone reliant on kmail, etc, because 4.4 is supposed to switch
> kaddressbook to akonadi, and 4.5 is supposed to be the kmail switch.
> That's likely to bring about a whole new set of bugs that will, if
> developments flow according to kde4 type, put them back at beta or even
> pre-beta stability and usability levels.  If that does indeed occur, it's
> likely to be 4.6 or 4.7 before they stabilize.

Luckily my Debian based Mepis seems stable enough to be used for two more
years...  I could live with KDE 4's UI (although I don't like to) but if they
brake kmail I can't

Thierry

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On 6/10-2009 17:30 Anne Wilson <cannewilson@...> wrote:

> On Tuesday 06 October 2009 16:10:49 Thelwyn wrote:
> > I think this could go to Userbase. I can report it there.
> >
> > Where could it be reported? (that is what would be the best section?)
>
> Seems to me that it's definitely a plasma topic, so it could be added to
> http://userbase.kde.org/Plasma/FAQ.
>
> OTOH, if you would really like to do something extra nice ;-) Hans Chen
> (Mogger) shows you, on http://userbase.kde.org/Plasma/FAQ/HowTo how to make
>  an animated gif mini-how-to video.  He gives the code to do it.
>
> Either way, yes, it would be good to see it on userbase.

I must be blind but I cannot see where he explains how to make the animated
GIF..?

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Can't find it in the userbase but I remember of the blog post:

http://hanswchen.wordpress.com/2009/09/02/record-screencasts-to-animated-gif-files/

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I must be blind but I cannot see where he explains how to make the animated
GIF..?

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 Thomas Olsen

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