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DiscogsRelationshipType and pending Discogs releases
by MeinDummy
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Hi,
I'm picking up on a discussion on the UsersMailingList: http://lists.musicbrainz.org/pipermail/musicbrainz-users/2008-July/018209.html There as well as in a couple of discussions on several MB edits I got the impression that many users disagree with the official guideline (http://musicbrainz.org/doc/DiscogsRelationshipType) where it says "Do not add relationships to pending releases from Discogs..." Here are some links to edits with similar discussions: http://musicbrainz.org/show/edit/?editid=10904065 http://musicbrainz.org/show/edit/?editid=10493176 http://musicbrainz.org/show/edit/?editid=10695658 I'd like to re-open the discussion here whether this sentence shall be removed from the guideline or not. MD -- Jetzt kostenlos herunterladen: Internet Explorer 8 und Mozilla Firefox 3 - sicherer, schneller und einfacher! http://portal.gmx.net/de/go/chbrowser _______________________________________________ Musicbrainz-style mailing list Musicbrainz-style@... http://lists.musicbrainz.org/mailman/listinfo/musicbrainz-style |
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Re: DiscogsRelationshipType and pending Discogs releases
by Kuno Woudt-2
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On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 10:22:05AM +0200, MeinDummy@... wrote:
> I'm picking up on a discussion on the UsersMailingList: > > http://lists.musicbrainz.org/pipermail/musicbrainz-users/2008-July/018209.html > > There as well as in a couple of discussions on several MB edits I got > the impression that many users disagree with the official guideline > (http://musicbrainz.org/doc/DiscogsRelationshipType) where it says "Do > not add relationships to pending releases from Discogs..." > > Here are some links to edits with similar discussions: > http://musicbrainz.org/show/edit/?editid=10904065 > http://musicbrainz.org/show/edit/?editid=10493176 > http://musicbrainz.org/show/edit/?editid=10695658 > > I'd like to re-open the discussion here whether this sentence shall be > removed from the guideline or not. I do understand the reasoning behind that sentence. It would be useful to know how many pending releases get rejected at discogs. If this is a small amount, I see no problem allowing links to pending releases. -- kuno / warp. _______________________________________________ Musicbrainz-style mailing list Musicbrainz-style@... http://lists.musicbrainz.org/mailman/listinfo/musicbrainz-style |
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Re: DiscogsRelationshipType and pending Discogs releases
by gnu_andrew
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2009/7/16 Kuno Woudt <kuno@...>:
> On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 10:22:05AM +0200, MeinDummy@... wrote: >> I'm picking up on a discussion on the UsersMailingList: >> >> http://lists.musicbrainz.org/pipermail/musicbrainz-users/2008-July/018209.html >> >> There as well as in a couple of discussions on several MB edits I got >> the impression that many users disagree with the official guideline >> (http://musicbrainz.org/doc/DiscogsRelationshipType) where it says "Do >> not add relationships to pending releases from Discogs..." >> >> Here are some links to edits with similar discussions: >> http://musicbrainz.org/show/edit/?editid=10904065 >> http://musicbrainz.org/show/edit/?editid=10493176 >> http://musicbrainz.org/show/edit/?editid=10695658 >> >> I'd like to re-open the discussion here whether this sentence shall be >> removed from the guideline or not. > > I do understand the reasoning behind that sentence. It would be useful > to know how many pending releases get rejected at discogs. If this is > a small amount, I see no problem allowing links to pending releases. > > -- kuno / warp. > > > _______________________________________________ > Musicbrainz-style mailing list > Musicbrainz-style@... > http://lists.musicbrainz.org/mailman/listinfo/musicbrainz-style > What's to stop an approved Discogs release being removed? I'm pretty sure that's just a standard edit like any other, so specialising new/recently edited entries has no value. We do need to generally watch out for broken URLs on all sites including DIscogs, Wikipedia, generic fan sites, etc. -- Andrew :-) Free Java Software Engineer Red Hat, Inc. (http://www.redhat.com) Support Free Java! Contribute to GNU Classpath and the OpenJDK http://www.gnu.org/software/classpath http://openjdk.java.net PGP Key: 94EFD9D8 (http://subkeys.pgp.net) Fingerprint: F8EF F1EA 401E 2E60 15FA 7927 142C 2591 94EF D9D8 _______________________________________________ Musicbrainz-style mailing list Musicbrainz-style@... http://lists.musicbrainz.org/mailman/listinfo/musicbrainz-style |
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Re: DiscogsRelationshipType and pending Discogs releases
by Paul C. Bryan
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I'm in favor of removing this sentence from the guideline. I argue that
we shouldn't suppress useful information now because one day it may be gone. We should find ways of checking links to detect broken/stale ones and modify/remove them. On Thu, 2009-07-16 at 10:22 +0200, MeinDummy@... wrote: > Hi, > > I'm picking up on a discussion on the UsersMailingList: > > http://lists.musicbrainz.org/pipermail/musicbrainz-users/2008-July/018209.html > > There as well as in a couple of discussions on several MB edits I got the impression that many users disagree with the official guideline (http://musicbrainz.org/doc/DiscogsRelationshipType) where it says "Do not add relationships to pending releases from Discogs..." > > Here are some links to edits with similar discussions: > http://musicbrainz.org/show/edit/?editid=10904065 > http://musicbrainz.org/show/edit/?editid=10493176 > http://musicbrainz.org/show/edit/?editid=10695658 > > I'd like to re-open the discussion here whether this sentence shall be removed from the guideline or not. > > MD _______________________________________________ Musicbrainz-style mailing list Musicbrainz-style@... http://lists.musicbrainz.org/mailman/listinfo/musicbrainz-style |
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Re: DiscogsRelationshipType and pending Discogs releases
by Toni Panadès
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I agree completely with pbryan, should not be complex to check
periodically and automatically for invalid URL's. toni/t0n3t 2009/7/16 Paul C. Bryan <email@...>: > I'm in favor of removing this sentence from the guideline. I argue that > we shouldn't suppress useful information now because one day it may be > gone. We should find ways of checking links to detect broken/stale ones > and modify/remove them. _______________________________________________ Musicbrainz-style mailing list Musicbrainz-style@... http://lists.musicbrainz.org/mailman/listinfo/musicbrainz-style |
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Re: DiscogsRelationshipType and pending Discogs releases
by Edward J. Shornock-3
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* Toni Panadès <toni75@...> [16-07-2009 21:11 EEST]:
> I agree completely with pbryan, should not be complex to check > periodically and automatically for invalid URL's. Agreed as well. Any site's page can disappear at any time; fear of future 404s shouldn't play a role in deciding whether an A/R is acceptable or not, IMHO. -- Ed / crazee_canuck _______________________________________________ Musicbrainz-style mailing list Musicbrainz-style@... http://lists.musicbrainz.org/mailman/listinfo/musicbrainz-style |
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Re: DiscogsRelationshipType and pending Discogs releases
by Chad Wilson-2
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Edward J. Shornock wrote:
> * Toni Panadès <toni75@...> [16-07-2009 21:11 EEST]: > >> I agree completely with pbryan, should not be complex to check >> periodically and automatically for invalid URL's. >> > > Agreed as well. Any site's page can disappear at any time; fear of > future 404s shouldn't play a role in deciding whether an A/R is > acceptable or not, IMHO. > of lower quality than others because they have not been checked/verified and may change markedly, I guess. But given the parlous and massively altered state of Discogs voting these days, the average pending release is of much better quality than it used to be in the old days, so I now agree that it doesn't make much sense to keep this phrase. +1 to removing it. Chad / voice _______________________________________________ Musicbrainz-style mailing list Musicbrainz-style@... http://lists.musicbrainz.org/mailman/listinfo/musicbrainz-style |
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Re: DiscogsRelationshipType and pending Discogs releases
by Pavan Chander
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+1 on removing the sentence.
Pavan Chander // navap On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 4:22 AM, <MeinDummy@...> wrote: Hi, _______________________________________________ Musicbrainz-style mailing list Musicbrainz-style@... http://lists.musicbrainz.org/mailman/listinfo/musicbrainz-style |
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Re: DiscogsRelationshipType and pending Discogs releases
by Brian Schweitzer
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I would agree as well; an AR or verification url in edit note to a pending release at Discogs would still seem to have some value, and for edit notes, it's still better than many other sites people provide frequently (when they don't just leave it blank...) I think the benefits outweight potential harm here.
Brian On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 12:04 AM, Pavan Chander <pchander@...> wrote: +1 on removing the sentence. _______________________________________________ Musicbrainz-style mailing list Musicbrainz-style@... http://lists.musicbrainz.org/mailman/listinfo/musicbrainz-style |
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Re: DiscogsRelationshipType and pending Discogs releases
by chabreyflint
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+1 for removal
On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 7:21 AM, Brian Schweitzer <brian.brianschweitzer@...> wrote: I would agree as well; an AR or verification url in edit note to a pending release at Discogs would still seem to have some value, and for edit notes, it's still better than many other sites people provide frequently (when they don't just leave it blank...) I think the benefits outweight potential harm here. _______________________________________________ Musicbrainz-style mailing list Musicbrainz-style@... http://lists.musicbrainz.org/mailman/listinfo/musicbrainz-style |
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Re: DiscogsRelationshipType and pending Discogs releases
by Jan van Thiel-4
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2009/7/16 <MeinDummy@...>:
> I'd like to re-open the discussion here whether this sentence shall be removed from the guideline or not. +1 for removal. Jan _______________________________________________ Musicbrainz-style mailing list Musicbrainz-style@... http://lists.musicbrainz.org/mailman/listinfo/musicbrainz-style |
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Re: DiscogsRelationshipType and pending Discogs releases
by Kuno Woudt-2
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On Sat, Jul 18, 2009 at 04:15:11PM +0200, Jan van Thiel wrote:
> 2009/7/16 <MeinDummy@...>: > > I'd like to re-open the discussion here whether this sentence shall be removed from the guideline or not. The discussion on this topic seems to have died out, can someone take it through the RFC/RFV process please? Thanks. -- kuno / warp. _______________________________________________ Musicbrainz-style mailing list Musicbrainz-style@... http://lists.musicbrainz.org/mailman/listinfo/musicbrainz-style |
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Re: DiscogsRelationshipType and pending Discogs releases
by Brian Schweitzer
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> To do the RFC, first make the neccesary changes to the wiki page for
> the guideline you want to change. I prefer it if you make a copy first, > so you would get something like > http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/User:MeinDummy/Discogs_Relationship_Type. > > This is only to make it clear who is proposing this change. In this > case, the change is minor and will likely succeed, so you can also > just edit the page itself. (The official documentation meanwhile > stays the way it is at http://musicbrainz.org/doc/Discogs_Relationship_Type ) If anyone does choose to edit the page, rather than go with the copy method, I would also suggest that the "this is an official guideline" bit be modified to denote that the version being displayed is not in fact the official version (yet). (See an example at the top of Part Number Style as it currently exists in the wiki...) Brian _______________________________________________ Musicbrainz-style mailing list Musicbrainz-style@... http://lists.musicbrainz.org/mailman/listinfo/musicbrainz-style |
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Re: DiscogsRelationshipType and pending Discogs releases
by Pavan Chander
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On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 10:16 AM, Kuno Woudt <kuno@...> wrote:
[...] Hi all, I just want to point out that Discogs_Relationship_Type is *not* part of the tranclusion table, and so if http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/Discogs_Relationship_Type is edited it *will* show up on http://musicbrainz.org/doc/Discogs_Relationship_Type right away. Because the majority of our documentation/guidelines are not in the transclusion table, I believe editing a copy of the page is a good "rule" to have, regardless of it's transclusion status. Pavan Chander // navap
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Re: DiscogsRelationshipType and pending Discogs releases
by Brian Schweitzer
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On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 1:12 PM, Pavan Chander<pchander@...> wrote:
> On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 10:16 AM, Kuno Woudt <kuno@...> wrote: >> >> [...] >> This is only to make it clear who is proposing this change. In this >> case, the change is minor and will likely succeed, so you can also >> just edit the page itself. (The official documentation meanwhile >> stays the way it is at >> http://musicbrainz.org/doc/Discogs_Relationship_Type ) >> [...] >> When the RFV has passed you are also expected to poke the developers >> to actually implement your change if this is needed. In this case >> the only important thing is to make sure it is transcluded to >> http://musicbrainz.org/doc/ when the proposal has passed and is >> official. >> >> -- kuno / warp. >> > > Hi all, > > I just want to point out that Discogs_Relationship_Type is *not* part of the > tranclusion table, and so if > http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/Discogs_Relationship_Type is edited it *will* > show up on http://musicbrainz.org/doc/Discogs_Relationship_Type right away. > > Because the majority of our documentation/guidelines are not in the > transclusion table, I believe editing a copy of the page is a good "rule" to > have, regardless of it's transclusion status. > A minor correction... as of the closing of http://bugs.musicbrainz.org/ticket/5071 , thanks to voiceinsideyou's efforts, every guideline, whether official or still only a proposal, is in the transclusion table. It's only the pages like this one - the "how the site works" documentation type pages - of which only a few are currently transcluded. Brian PS, if we've missed any guidelines, please email me off list and let me know the wikipage url? Here's the list of known guidelines, as far as a bunch of people on IRC could find, a few months back: Official ------------------------------- AbbreviationStyle ArtistName BoxSetNameStyle CapitalizationStandard CapitalizationStandard/JapaneseReleasesClarification CapitalizationStandardCatalan CapitalizationStandardCzech CapitalizationStandardDanish CapitalizationStandardDutch CapitalizationStandardEnglish CapitalizationStandardEstonian CapitalizationStandardFinnish CapitalizationStandardForTransliterations CapitalizationStandardFrench CapitalizationStandardGerman CapitalizationStandardGreek CapitalizationStandardHebrew CapitalizationStandardHungarian CapitalizationStandardItalian CapitalizationStandardLatin CapitalizationStandardLatvian CapitalizationStandardLithuanian CapitalizationStandardNorwegian CapitalizationStandardPolish CapitalizationStandardPortuguese CapitalizationStandardRomanian CapitalizationStandardRussian CapitalizationStandardSlovak CapitalizationStandardSwedish ClassicalStyleGuide ("old CSG") DataTrackStyle DiscNumberStyle EPStyle ExtraTitleInformationStyle FeaturingArtistStyle MemberOfBandRelationshipStyle MiscellaneousGuideline MisencodingFAQ MultipleTitleStyle NoArtistStyle OCReMixSeriesStyle PartNumberStyle RemixStyle SeriesNumberStyle SortNameStyle SplitReleaseTitleStyle SubTitleStyle UnknownArtistStyle UntitledBootlegStyle UntitledTrackStyle VersusStyle VolumeNumberStyle Proposed but never yet made official ------------------------------- ArtistRoleInheritance AudioBookStyle CapitalizationStandardSpanish CapitalizationStandardTurkish CapitalizationStandardYiddish ClassicalStyleGuide ("CSGv2") GameSoundtrackStyle InstrumentalStyle LiveBootlegStyle LiveTrackStyle MedleyStyle MusicalSoundtrackStyle OperaTrackStyle ReleaseArtistStyle ReleaseEventStyle SoundtrackTitleStyle UntitledReleaseStyle _______________________________________________ Musicbrainz-style mailing list Musicbrainz-style@... http://lists.musicbrainz.org/mailman/listinfo/musicbrainz-style |
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