Discussion on URI mailing list of possible new URI schemes for Web Sockets

[noah_mendelsohn]

An interesting discussion is being held on the W3C URI mailing list,
beginning with Ian Hickson's announcement that [1]:

        "The formal registrations for the ws: and wss:
        schemes, part of the Web Socket protocol,
        will be available in the Web Socket protocol ID
        as soon as the IETF upload process completes: [2]
        [I'm not sure why the link is to section-7, but that's
        the link in Ian's note -- Noah]"

Not surprisingly, one question is whether an http scheme URI would be more
appropriate.  FWIW, I'm not convinced it would be better, in this case,
but it's an interesting discussion, and there are IMO some advantages to
either choice.  Please also look at the associated protocol [3], which
begins with a handshake that does use (or if you prefer, is comptible
with) the HTTP protocol upgrade handshake.

The automatic threading by the W3C mail handler isn't collecting all of
the discussion into one thread, so it's probably worth looking through all
of the August archives [3] if you haven't been subscribing and want to
reconstruct the discussion.

I'm not ready to suggest that the TAG undertake a formal study of this
issue or that we provide a formal opinion on the registration, but I think
it's at least worth taking a look at the email thread.  I will put this on
the agenda for our 27 August teleconference.  Thank you.

Noah

[1] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/uri/2009Aug/0002.html
[2] http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-hixie-thewebsocketprotocol#section-7
[3] http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-hixie-thewebsocketprotocol
[4] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/uri/2009Aug/0002.html

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Noah Mendelsohn
IBM Corporation
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Cambridge, MA 02142
1-617-693-4036
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[Alan Ruttenberg-2]

What's the point of this new protocol? To bum a small constant in
network performance? Seems shortsighted given the enormous amount of
effort it takes to tool up for and specify a new protocol. Not to
mention one that looks to essentially end a platform on which to build
a further babel of ad hoc protocols. And considering Moores law.

Definitely worth a review, if you ask me. URN versus URI seems the
least issue here.

-Alan
Alan


On Thursday, August 20, 2009,  <noah_mendelsohn@...> wrote:

> An interesting discussion is being held on the W3C URI mailing list,
> beginning with Ian Hickson's announcement that [1]:
>
>         "The formal registrations for the ws: and wss:
>         schemes, part of the Web Socket protocol,
>         will be available in the Web Socket protocol ID
>         as soon as the IETF upload process completes: [2]
>         [I'm not sure why the link is to section-7, but that's
>         the link in Ian's note -- Noah]"
>
> Not surprisingly, one question is whether an http scheme URI would be more
> appropriate.  FWIW, I'm not convinced it would be better, in this case,
> but it's an interesting discussion, and there are IMO some advantages to
> either choice.  Please also look at the associated protocol [3], which
> begins with a handshake that does use (or if you prefer, is comptible
> with) the HTTP protocol upgrade handshake.
>
> The automatic threading by the W3C mail handler isn't collecting all of
> the discussion into one thread, so it's probably worth looking through all
> of the August archives [3] if you haven't been subscribing and want to
> reconstruct the discussion.
>
> I'm not ready to suggest that the TAG undertake a formal study of this
> issue or that we provide a formal opinion on the registration, but I think
> it's at least worth taking a look at the email thread.  I will put this on
> the agenda for our 27 August teleconference.  Thank you.
>
> Noah
>
> [1] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/uri/2009Aug/0002.html
> [2] http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-hixie-thewebsocketprotocol#section-7
> [3] http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-hixie-thewebsocketprotocol
> [4] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/uri/2009Aug/0002.html
>
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> Noah Mendelsohn
> IBM Corporation
> One Rogers Street
> Cambridge, MA 02142
> 1-617-693-4036
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