Do you watch TV with Kaffeine?

I don't have TV on my system, and I need someone who does to help me put a
little info onto http://userbase.kde.org/Kaffeine about it - what it can do,
any configuration that helps, any hints and tips.  If you are willing to help,
either edit the page yourself, or send me the text and I'll deal with
formatting, syntax etc.

Thanks

Anne
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[Bogus Zaba-4]

Anne Wilson wrote:

> I don't have TV on my system, and I need someone who does to help me put a
> little info onto http://userbase.kde.org/Kaffeine about it - what it can do,
> any configuration that helps, any hints and tips.  If you are willing to help,
> either edit the page yourself, or send me the text and I'll deal with
> formatting, syntax etc.
>
> Thanks
>
> Anne
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Do you want just KDE4 stuff ? I am a long-term user of Kaffeine 0.8.x on
KDE 3.5.y and use if for digital television, but have not yet moved to
KDE 4. Partly because I was not sure what the Kaffeine situation was for
KDE 4. Understand there is now a KDE 4 version of Kaffeine at least in beta.

Bogus Zaba
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[Duncan-2]

Bogus Zaba posted on Fri, 06 Nov 2009 20:36:46 +0000 as excerpted:

> Anne Wilson wrote:
>> I don't have TV on my system, and I need someone who does to help me
>> put a little info onto http://userbase.kde.org/Kaffeine about it - what
>> it can do, any configuration that helps, any hints and tips.  If you
>> are willing to help, either edit the page yourself, or send me the text
>> and I'll deal with formatting, syntax etc.
>>
> Do you want just KDE4 stuff ? I am a long-term user of Kaffeine 0.8.x on
> KDE 3.5.y and use if for digital television, but have not yet moved to
> KDE 4. Partly because I was not sure what the Kaffeine situation was for
> KDE 4. Understand there is now a KDE 4 version of Kaffeine at least in
> beta.

Kaffeine for kde4 has a LONG way to go to reach kde3's kaffeine
features.  Last I checked, using the "live" sources version about a month
ago, it had barely any more features than the default kde4 dragonplayer
and the like -- IOW, it would play video, but that's about it -- none of
the extra stuff that had people going to the trouble of installing a non-
kde-core kaffeine on kde3, instead of just using what shipped with kde in
the first place.

HOWEVER, there *IS* an alternative, an an EXTREMELY good one at that.  
It's called smplayer.  smplayer is qt4 based, as is kde4, so other than
switching from the xine-lib dependencies of kaffeine to the mplayer
dependencies of smplayer (and kde4 uses both, xine-lib as a phonon/sound
backend, and mplayer for mplayerthumbs, the kdemultimedia package that
kde4 uses to generate video thumbnails), there's very few additional
dependencies needed.

And smplayer has all those fancy control features that make kaffeine what
it was on kde3.  In fact, it has at least one I always wished kaffeine
had but it didn't, single-frame advance.  This is on the general computer
video side, at least.  I don't have a TV card, so I can't personally
verify comparability of features there, but it does seem to have basic
controls for it, at least, and I've no reason to believe that would be
inferior to its general computer based video controls, hardware
permitting, of course.

So I'd not let the lack of a full-featured kaffeine stand in the way of
your switch to kde4, if I were you, and I would DEFINITELY checkout
smplayer. Actually, because it's only qt4 based, you should be able to
checkout smplayer without even bothering your kde3 installation or
worrying about kde4 at all -- just try smplayer, which should install qt4
as a dependency if you don't already have it installed, and I expect
you'll be able to cross the kaffeine equivalent mediaplayer worry off
your switching worries list entirely!  It certainly was all the solution
I could have wished for and more, here!

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[Bogus Zaba-4]

Duncan wrote:

> Bogus Zaba posted on Fri, 06 Nov 2009 20:36:46 +0000 as excerpted:
>
>  
>> Anne Wilson wrote:
>>    
>>> I don't have TV on my system, and I need someone who does to help me
>>> put a little info onto http://userbase.kde.org/Kaffeine about it - what
>>> it can do, any configuration that helps, any hints and tips.  If you
>>> are willing to help, either edit the page yourself, or send me the text
>>> and I'll deal with formatting, syntax etc.
>>>
>>>      
>> Do you want just KDE4 stuff ? I am a long-term user of Kaffeine 0.8.x on
>> KDE 3.5.y and use if for digital television, but have not yet moved to
>> KDE 4. Partly because I was not sure what the Kaffeine situation was for
>> KDE 4. Understand there is now a KDE 4 version of Kaffeine at least in
>> beta.
>>    
>
> Kaffeine for kde4 has a LONG way to go to reach kde3's kaffeine
> features.  Last I checked, using the "live" sources version about a month
> ago, it had barely any more features than the default kde4 dragonplayer
> and the like -- IOW, it would play video, but that's about it -- none of
> the extra stuff that had people going to the trouble of installing a non-
> kde-core kaffeine on kde3, instead of just using what shipped with kde in
> the first place.
>
> HOWEVER, there *IS* an alternative, an an EXTREMELY good one at that.  
> It's called smplayer.  smplayer is qt4 based, as is kde4, so other than
> switching from the xine-lib dependencies of kaffeine to the mplayer
> dependencies of smplayer (and kde4 uses both, xine-lib as a phonon/sound
> backend, and mplayer for mplayerthumbs, the kdemultimedia package that
> kde4 uses to generate video thumbnails), there's very few additional
> dependencies needed.
>
> And smplayer has all those fancy control features that make kaffeine what
> it was on kde3.  In fact, it has at least one I always wished kaffeine
> had but it didn't, single-frame advance.  This is on the general computer
> video side, at least.  I don't have a TV card, so I can't personally
> verify comparability of features there, but it does seem to have basic
> controls for it, at least, and I've no reason to believe that would be
> inferior to its general computer based video controls, hardware
> permitting, of course.
>
> So I'd not let the lack of a full-featured kaffeine stand in the way of
> your switch to kde4, if I were you, and I would DEFINITELY checkout
> smplayer. Actually, because it's only qt4 based, you should be able to
> checkout smplayer without even bothering your kde3 installation or
> worrying about kde4 at all -- just try smplayer, which should install qt4
> as a dependency if you don't already have it installed, and I expect
> you'll be able to cross the kaffeine equivalent mediaplayer worry off
> your switching worries list entirely!  It certainly was all the solution
> I could have wished for and more, here!
>
>  

I agree that smplayer is a fine piece of work, but I think it does not
do digital TV - one of the nice things that works out of the box with
Kaffeine (including lots of country-specific tuning magic)

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On Friday 06 November 2009 20:36:46 Bogus Zaba wrote:

> Anne Wilson wrote:
> > I don't have TV on my system, and I need someone who does to help me put
> > a little info onto http://userbase.kde.org/Kaffeine about it - what it
> > can do, any configuration that helps, any hints and tips.  If you are
> > willing to help, either edit the page yourself, or send me the text and
> > I'll deal with formatting, syntax etc.
> >
>
> Do you want just KDE4 stuff ? I am a long-term user of Kaffeine 0.8.x on
> KDE 3.5.y and use if for digital television, but have not yet moved to
> KDE 4. Partly because I was not sure what the Kaffeine situation was for
> KDE 4. Understand there is now a KDE 4 version of Kaffeine at least in
>  beta.
>

If you write about a feature that is in KDE3 but not yet in KDE4, please add

{{KDE3}}, which will place an icon denoting that in your text.  For some
applications it is sensible to include such things at this stage.  They can
always be removed at some later date when the new application is more mature.  
Thanks for the offer.

Anne
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On Saturday 07 November 2009 08:09:45 Duncan wrote:

> HOWEVER, there IS an alternative, an an EXTREMELY good one at that.  
> It's called smplayer.  smplayer is qt4 based, as is kde4, so other than
> switching from the xine-lib dependencies of kaffeine to the mplayer
> dependencies of smplayer (and kde4 uses both, xine-lib as a phonon/sound
> backend, and mplayer for mplayerthumbs, the kdemultimedia package that
> kde4 uses to generate video thumbnails), there's very few additional
> dependencies needed.
>
> And smplayer has all those fancy control features that make kaffeine what
> it was on kde3.  In fact, it has at least one I always wished kaffeine
> had but it didn't, single-frame advance.  This is on the general computer
> video side, at least.  I don't have a TV card, so I can't personally
> verify comparability of features there, but it does seem to have basic
> controls for it, at least, and I've no reason to believe that would be
> inferior to its general computer based video controls, hardware
> permitting, of course.
>

SMPlayer has its own page, at http://userbase.kde.org/SMPlayer.  If you think

that any features are missing from the page, please edit it.

While we are on the subject, I don't do much video stuff.  There are several
links from http://userbase.kde.org/Applications/Multimedia that are related to
mplayer.  If you (or anyone else) would be willing to contribute to those
pages I'd be delighted.  You don't even have to learn the syntax if you don't
want to.  I'm always willing to accept text and screenshots by email for
inclusion in userbase.

Anne
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[Bogus Zaba-4]

Anne Wilson wrote:

> On Friday 06 November 2009 20:36:46 Bogus Zaba wrote:
>  
>> Anne Wilson wrote:
>>    
>>> I don't have TV on my system, and I need someone who does to help me put
>>> a little info onto http://userbase.kde.org/Kaffeine about it - what it
>>> can do, any configuration that helps, any hints and tips.  If you are
>>> willing to help, either edit the page yourself, or send me the text and
>>> I'll deal with formatting, syntax etc.
>>>
>>>      
>> Do you want just KDE4 stuff ? I am a long-term user of Kaffeine 0.8.x on
>> KDE 3.5.y and use if for digital television, but have not yet moved to
>> KDE 4. Partly because I was not sure what the Kaffeine situation was for
>> KDE 4. Understand there is now a KDE 4 version of Kaffeine at least in
>>  beta.
>>
>>    
> If you write about a feature that is in KDE3 but not yet in KDE4, please add
> {{KDE3}}, which will place an icon denoting that in your text.  For some
> applications it is sensible to include such things at this stage.  They can
> always be removed at some later date when the new application is more mature.  
> Thanks for the offer.
>
> Anne
>  
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Anne

I have provided a short piece on Kaffeine as a TV player and tagged it
as you suggested. I have created this under User:bogzab as suggested in
the wiki guidelines. I gather it can then be moved to the relevant place
but thought you might want to have a look before I do so to see if this
is roughly what you are after. Does not seem to me to warrant a lot of
screen shots etc - instructions are pretty simple, but if you think it
would benefit from shots, I can provide some easily enough.

Bogus
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On Saturday 07 November 2009 18:08:27 Bogus Zaba wrote:

> Anne Wilson wrote:
> > On Friday 06 November 2009 20:36:46 Bogus Zaba wrote:
> >> Anne Wilson wrote:
> >>> I don't have TV on my system, and I need someone who does to help me
> >>> put a little info onto http://userbase.kde.org/Kaffeine about it - what
> >>> it can do, any configuration that helps, any hints and tips.  If you
> >>> are willing to help, either edit the page yourself, or send me the text
> >>> and I'll deal with formatting, syntax etc.
> >>
> >> Do you want just KDE4 stuff ? I am a long-term user of Kaffeine 0.8.x on
> >> KDE 3.5.y and use if for digital television, but have not yet moved to
> >> KDE 4. Partly because I was not sure what the Kaffeine situation was for
> >> KDE 4. Understand there is now a KDE 4 version of Kaffeine at least in
> >>  beta.
> >
> > If you write about a feature that is in KDE3 but not yet in KDE4, please
> > add {{KDE3}}, which will place an icon denoting that in your text.  For
> > some applications it is sensible to include such things at this stage.
> > They can always be removed at some later date when the new application is
> > more mature. Thanks for the offer.
> >
> I have provided a short piece on Kaffeine as a TV player and tagged it
> as you suggested. I have created this under User:bogzab as suggested in
> the wiki guidelines. I gather it can then be moved to the relevant place
> but thought you might want to have a look before I do so to see if this
> is roughly what you are after.

It looks pretty good to me, thanks.  You can always re-edit if you feel you
want to change something later.

I've created a link on http://userbase.kde.org/Kaffeine, just below the image
of watching TV, which takes you to http://userbase.kde.org/Kaffeine-TV.  That
opens up an empty edit page, where you paste in the content - I've done it for
you.  You still have a copy on your user page, though, so you might want to
delete that.

> Does not seem to me to warrant a lot of
> screen shots etc - instructions are pretty simple, but if you think it
> would benefit from shots, I can provide some easily enough.
>
Screenshots make a page more inviting, but I'll leave it to you to decide what
and how many.  If you want help with uploading or inserting them, just shout.

I do appreciate this.  Thanks.

Anne
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On Saturday 07 November 2009 19:43:53 Anne Wilson wrote:

> On Saturday 07 November 2009 18:08:27 Bogus Zaba wrote:
>
> > Does not seem to me to warrant a lot of
> > screen shots etc - instructions are pretty simple, but if you think it
> > would benefit from shots, I can provide some easily enough.
>
> Screenshots make a page more inviting, but I'll leave it to you to decide
>  what and how many.  If you want help with uploading or inserting them,
>  just shout.
>
> I do appreciate this.  Thanks.
>

With the screenshots it looks great!

Anne
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