Dog food and panoramas (new Flash panorama viewer!)

[cheathamlane_360]

OK, so it's not _quite_ new, but it might as well be. :-)

PanoSalado has been through many revisions, and is now world-class (if
not bullet proof ;) ).

What is it? The only open source Flash panorama player on the, er,
market. "Open source" is often times a synonym for "free", no?. :)

Panosalado is being 'dogfooded' by myself, over at cheathamlane.net
(links below), and should be visible in a couple of my client projects
sometime soon (cool!).

Much more info is available at the PanoSalado blog, and of course
posts in the flashpanos.com forums or comments in the blog are always
welcome.

PanoSalado code and examples are available for download from its
GoogleCode home, either via direct download or SVN.

PanoSalado's image quality and potential for interactivity (some DIY,
much coming soon for the non-scripter) is unparalleled. Really.

ENJOY!

Cheers,

Patrick

Blog (with links to forum, svn, etc):
http://flashpanos.com/blog/79

Example:
http://www.cheathamlane.net/index.php?section=open%20source

[aiwetir-2]

looks good really.  and free :D, got a flash 10 version without wavy  
lines coming  ?


mmm
http://pdxvr.com
http://medina-photo.com

On 24 Jul 2008, at 21:32, Patrick Cheatham wrote:

>
> OK, so it's not _quite_ new, but it might as well be. :-)
>
> PanoSalado has been through many revisions, and is now world-class (if
> not bullet proof ;) ).
>
> What is it? The only open source Flash panorama player on the, er,
> market. "Open source" is often times a synonym for "free", no?. :)
>
> Panosalado is being 'dogfooded' by myself, over at cheathamlane.net
> (links below), and should be visible in a couple of my client projects
> sometime soon (cool!).
>
> Much more info is available at the PanoSalado blog, and of course
> posts in the flashpanos.com forums or comments in the blog are always
> welcome.
>
> PanoSalado code and examples are available for download from its
> GoogleCode home, either via direct download or SVN.
>
> PanoSalado's image quality and potential for interactivity (some DIY,
> much coming soon for the non-scripter) is unparalleled. Really.
>
> ENJOY!
>
> Cheers,
>
> Patrick
>
> Blog (with links to forum, svn, etc):
> http://flashpanos.com/blog/79
>
> Example:
> http://www.cheathamlane.net/index.php?section=open%20source
>
>
>
>
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>
> --
>
>
>
>
>

[Roger D. Williams]

Patrick,

Is it deliberate that the full-screen display no longer responds to
the zoom and pan options (and auto-rotate) but only inherts what
had been selected when in the partial-screen mode?

This is what I get with dual-core XP-pro and Opera 9.

Roger W.



On Fri, 25 Jul 2008 13:32:53 +0900, Patrick Cheatham  
<patrick@...> wrote:

> OK, so it's not _quite_ new, but it might as well be. :-)
>
> PanoSalado has been through many revisions, and is now world-class (if
> not bullet proof ;) ).
>
> What is it? The only open source Flash panorama player on the, er,
> market. "Open source" is often times a synonym for "free", no?. :)
>
> Panosalado is being 'dogfooded' by myself, over at cheathamlane.net
> (links below), and should be visible in a couple of my client projects
> sometime soon (cool!).
>
> Much more info is available at the PanoSalado blog, and of course
> posts in the flashpanos.com forums or comments in the blog are always
> welcome.
>
> PanoSalado code and examples are available for download from its
> GoogleCode home, either via direct download or SVN.
>
> PanoSalado's image quality and potential for interactivity (some DIY,
> much coming soon for the non-scripter) is unparalleled. Really.
>
> ENJOY!
>
> Cheers,
>
> Patrick
>
> Blog (with links to forum, svn, etc):
> http://flashpanos.com/blog/79
>
> Example:
> http://www.cheathamlane.net/index.php?section=open%20source
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>

--
Work: www.adex-japan.com
Play: www.usefilm.com/member/roger

[cheathamlane_360]

--- In PanoToolsNG@..., aiwetir <aiwetir@...> wrote:
>
> looks good really. and free :D,  

Thanks!

>
>got a flash 10 version without wavy lines coming  ?

Yeah, sure -- as soon as you get me a Flash 10 that isn't beta.

:)

--
Like I have mentioned before: things like "shimmer" and "waviness" are
all parameters. You can make it as straight as you want, by adjusting
parameters in the XML or Actionscript -- but at a performance deficit
(just like all the Flash panorama viewers out there).

[aiwetir-2]

yeah i checked a lot of that out before i posted back. ;)

mmm
On 24 Jul 2008, at 22:32, Patrick Cheatham wrote:

>
> --- In PanoToolsNG@..., aiwetir <aiwetir@...> wrote:
>>
>> looks good really. and free :D,
>
> Thanks!
>
>>
>> got a flash 10 version without wavy lines coming  ?
>
> Yeah, sure -- as soon as you get me a Flash 10 that isn't beta.
>
> :)
>
> --
> Like I have mentioned before: things like "shimmer" and "waviness" are
> all parameters. You can make it as straight as you want, by adjusting
> parameters in the XML or Actionscript -- but at a performance deficit
> (just like all the Flash panorama viewers out there).
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> --
>
>
>
>
>

[cheathamlane_360]

--- In PanoToolsNG@..., aiwetir <aiwetir@...> wrote:
>
> yeah i checked a lot of that out before i posted back. ;)

Michael:

I'm not really sure what part of which post you're talking about,
but... I can't promise to support beta software (Flash 10), just like
I can't support Flash 8, with PanoSalado. I'm developing for Flash 10,
sure, but it's useless to whale on it publicly while Flash 10's still
in beta.

All the Flash panorama viewers, PanoSalado included, will experience
degraded performance the higher you set the precision and regularity.
Some more than others.

That said,  I haven't had any issues at all running PanoSalado on my
Win and Mac macines in Flash 10, in various browsers.

If you have specific examples with PanoSalado, I'd like to see them...
As long as they're not Flash 10 specific, right now.

Feel free to post issues in the forums at flashpanos.com, or in the
comments at the PanoSalado blog, or even better, in the "issues" area
at the GoogleCode site for PanoSalado.

Cheers,

Patrick

[cheathamlane_360]

--- In PanoToolsNG@..., "Roger D. Williams" <roger@...> wrote:

>
> Patrick,
>
> Is it deliberate that the full-screen display no longer responds to
> the zoom and pan options (and auto-rotate) but only inherts what
> had been selected when in the partial-screen mode?
>
> This is what I get with dual-core XP-pro and Opera 9.
>
> Roger W.

Hi Roger:

Of course it's deliberate! ;-P

Opera's weird... but thanks for posting your experience. I'll put that
on my list of things to check out.

What exactly do you mean by "inherits what had been selected..."?

Thanks!

Patrick

[aiwetir-2]

no criticism here, just acknowledging the usual limits of flash 9  
etc.  it looks as good or better than the rest and all i was saying is  
i checked out the shimmer and wavy settings as i like to call them ;)  
and they seemed to work as expected in just a few seconds of playing.

mmm
On 24 Jul 2008, at 22:49, Patrick Cheatham wrote:

>
> --- In PanoToolsNG@..., aiwetir <aiwetir@...> wrote:
>>
>> yeah i checked a lot of that out before i posted back. ;)
>
> Michael:
>
> I'm not really sure what part of which post you're talking about,
> but... I can't promise to support beta software (Flash 10), just like
> I can't support Flash 8, with PanoSalado. I'm developing for Flash 10,
> sure, but it's useless to whale on it publicly while Flash 10's still
> in beta.
>
> All the Flash panorama viewers, PanoSalado included, will experience
> degraded performance the higher you set the precision and regularity.
> Some more than others.
>
> That said,  I haven't had any issues at all running PanoSalado on my
> Win and Mac macines in Flash 10, in various browsers.
>
> If you have specific examples with PanoSalado, I'd like to see them...
> As long as they're not Flash 10 specific, right now.
>
> Feel free to post issues in the forums at flashpanos.com, or in the
> comments at the PanoSalado blog, or even better, in the "issues" area
> at the GoogleCode site for PanoSalado.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Patrick
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> --
>
>
>
>
>

[Roger D. Williams]

On Fri, 25 Jul 2008 14:54:29 +0900, Patrick Cheatham  
<patrick@...> wrote:

> --- In PanoToolsNG@..., "Roger D. Williams" <roger@...>  
> wrote:
>>
>> Patrick,
>>
>> Is it deliberate that the full-screen display no longer responds to
>> the zoom and pan options (and auto-rotate) but only inherts what
>> had been selected when in the partial-screen mode?
>>
>> This is what I get with dual-core XP-pro and Opera 9.
>>
>> Roger W.
>
> Hi Roger:
>
> Of course it's deliberate! ;-P

Hmmm. Not a bug, a feature? I've heard THAT before <g>.

> Opera's weird... but thanks for posting your experience. I'll put that
> on my list of things to check out.

Actually it's everything ELSE that's weird. The way the Opera people
tell it. <BG>

> What exactly do you mean by "inherits what had been selected..."?

I mean inherits in the sense of takes on the qualities of. I checked all
the options that were available and the settings were all trasferred to
the full-screen view (and I did note that the auto rotation reverted
quickly to the horizontal view, not retaining any angle up or down that
I had set in the smaller window where the controls work).

Hope this helps,

Roger W.

--
Work: www.adex-japan.com
Play: www.usefilm.com/member/roger

[jrgen_schrader]

great thing, pat, makes me want to come to berkeley and give you a
hug :)

but:
- same problem with opera here. in fullscreen no more movement or
anything else. firefox is fine.

- picture slows significantly down in fulls screen mode. ist it due
to image size and/or quality settings?

- and hey, congratulations for ineventing a cube with 7 cubefaces

cheers
juergen




--- In PanoToolsNG@..., "Patrick Cheatham" <patrick@...>
wrote:
>
> OK, so it's not _quite_ new, but it might as well be. :-)
>
> PanoSalado has been through many revisions, and is now world-class
(if
> not bullet proof ;) ).
>
> What is it? The only open source Flash panorama player on the, er,
> market. "Open source" is often times a synonym for "free", no?. :)
>
> Panosalado is being 'dogfooded' by myself, over at cheathamlane.net
> (links below), and should be visible in a couple of my client
projects
> sometime soon (cool!).
>
> Much more info is available at the PanoSalado blog, and of course
> posts in the flashpanos.com forums or comments in the blog are
always
> welcome.
>
> PanoSalado code and examples are available for download from its
> GoogleCode home, either via direct download or SVN.
>
> PanoSalado's image quality and potential for interactivity (some
DIY,

> much coming soon for the non-scripter) is unparalleled. Really.
>
> ENJOY!
>
> Cheers,
>
> Patrick
>
> Blog (with links to forum, svn, etc):
> http://flashpanos.com/blog/79
>
> Example:
> http://www.cheathamlane.net/index.php?section=open%20source
>

[Erik Krause]

On Friday, July 25, 2008 at 4:32, Patrick Cheatham wrote:

> What is it? The only open source Flash panorama player on the, er,
> market. "Open source" is often times a synonym for "free", no?. :)

Well, almost ;-) There is fspp, too...

> Much more info is available at the PanoSalado blog, and of course
> posts in the flashpanos.com forums or comments in the blog are always
> welcome.

Very good to hear! Would you (or someone else) create a small page on
the Wiki? PanoSalado is listed on
http://wiki.panotools.org/Panorama_Viewers#Free_3 but does not have a
dedicated page yet...

best regards
Erik Krause
http://www.erik-krause.de

[Hans-74]

--- In PanoToolsNG@..., "Erik Krause" <erik.krause@...> wrote:
>
> On Friday, July 25, 2008 at 4:32, Patrick Cheatham wrote:
>
> > What is it? The only open source Flash panorama player on the, er,
> > market. "Open source" is often times a synonym for "free", no?. :)
>
> Well, almost ;-) There is fspp, too...

Talking about free players, why are you listing PangeaVR as Commercial.

Hans

[Hans-74]

--- In PanoToolsNG@..., "Hans Nyberg" <hans@...> wrote:

>
> --- In PanoToolsNG@..., "Erik Krause" <erik.krause@> wrote:
> >
> > On Friday, July 25, 2008 at 4:32, Patrick Cheatham wrote:
> >
> > > What is it? The only open source Flash panorama player on the, er,
> > > market. "Open source" is often times a synonym for "free", no?. :)
> >
> > Well, almost ;-) There is fspp, too...
>
> Talking about free players, why are you listing PangeaVR as Commercial.
>

Also Immervision should be listed as Free.
http://www.immervision.com/en/multimedia/multimedia_download.php
The viewer is free but the authoring software is not. Just like for example QTVRAS or
CubicConverter/Connector for QTVR

Hans

[bohonus]

--- In PanoToolsNG@..., "Hans Nyberg" <hans@...> wrote:
> Talking about free players, why are you listing PangeaVR as Commercial.
>
> Hans



Free it may be, however it does link to and thus promote the website and services of another
VR Photographer (who charges $50-$100 for each panorama apparently) other than the
person whose VR you are generally viewing with it.

Perhaps the term "adware" would be more fitting?

[Hans-74]

--- In PanoToolsNG@..., "bohonus" <bradford@...> wrote:
>
> --- In PanoToolsNG@..., "Hans Nyberg" <hans@> wrote:
> > Talking about free players, why are you listing PangeaVR as Commercial.
> >
> > Hans
>
>
>
> Free it may be, however it does link to and thus promote the website and services of
another
> VR Photographer (who charges $50-$100 for each panorama apparently) other than the
> person whose VR you are generally viewing with it.
>
> Perhaps the term "adware" would be more fitting?
>
Like QTVR with ads for QT Pro
or SpiV
or PANORADO

And so on.
Most "free" viewers are promoting someone, Patrick is an advanced flash coder and the
viewer is of course a promotion of his services.

Hans

[Bruno Postle]

On Fri 25-Jul-2008 at 10:04 -0000, Hans Nyberg wrote:
>
>Like QTVR with ads for QT Pro
>or SpiV
>or PANORADO
>
>And so on.
>Most "free" viewers are promoting someone, Patrick is an advanced flash coder and the
>viewer is of course a promotion of his services.

Why don't you just change the page?

--
Bruno

[bohonus]

--- In PanoToolsNG@..., "Hans Nyberg" <hans@...> wrote:
> Like QTVR with ads for QT Pro
> or SpiV
> or PANORADO
>
> And so on.
> Most "free" viewers are promoting someone, Patrick is an advanced flash coder and the
> viewer is of course a promotion of his services.
>
> Hans

The Pangea VR viewer has a logo and links to a page of another VR photographer that
directly provides the same services that I do as a photographer.

What other VR viewer in the world does that? IPIX perhaps?

[Matthew Rogers-2]

Oh My, someone trying to make money from panoramas, better call the  
firing squad :(

On 25 Jul 2008, at 11:55, bohonus wrote:

> --- In PanoToolsNG@..., "Hans Nyberg" <hans@...> wrote:
> > Like QTVR with ads for QT Pro
> > or SpiV
> > or PANORADO
> >
> > And so on.
> > Most "free" viewers are promoting someone, Patrick is an advanced  
> flash coder and the
> > viewer is of course a promotion of his services.
> >
> > Hans
>
> The Pangea VR viewer has a logo and links to a page of another VR  
> photographer that
> directly provides the same services that I do as a photographer.
>
> What other VR viewer in the world does that? IPIX perhaps?
>

[Hans-74]

--- In PanoToolsNG@..., "bohonus" <bradford@...> wrote:
>
> --- In PanoToolsNG@..., "Hans Nyberg" <hans@> wrote:
> > Like QTVR with ads for QT Pro
> > or SpiV
> > or PANORADO
> >
> > And so on.
> > Most "free" viewers are promoting someone, Patrick is an advanced flash coder and
the
> > viewer is of course a promotion of his services.
> >
> > Hans
>
> The Pangea VR viewer has a logo and links to a page of another VR photographer that
> directly provides the same services that I do as a photographer.
>
> What other VR viewer in the world does that? IPIX perhaps?
>
Both SpiV and DevalVR and  Immervision has links in the Controlbar or on loading bar to
their sites which provides services for panoramas.

PangeaVR controlbar can be removed just use false for controlbar. Not sure about the info
link in DevalVR.
As far as I remember you can also exchange the loading splash for PangeaVR. Its a long
time since I used it so I am not sure.

Hans

[bohonus]

--- In PanoToolsNG@..., Matthew Rogers <matthew@...> wrote:
>
> Oh My, someone trying to make money from panoramas, better call the  
> firing squad :(

You are missing the point Matt, although considering that your product forums (at
360Precision) at one time automatically censored the names of competitor products if they
were mentioned in postings made by users indicates you have an idea what I am talking
about.

From a business sense, why would I present my work through a panorama viewer that also
promoted the website and services of another vr photographer?

The "firing squad" in this case, would be non-use of such a viewer.