Donations

[Deniz Dogan-3]

I started thinking, since so many users obviously like Conkeror, why
not set up a PayPal Donations account? I can't really think of any
huge expenses, the only ones being the web hotel and the domain name.
Do we need donations?

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[John J. Foerch]

On Thu, Sep 03, 2009 at 02:37:57PM +0200, Deniz Dogan wrote:
> I started thinking, since so many users obviously like Conkeror, why
> not set up a PayPal Donations account? I can't really think of any
> huge expenses, the only ones being the web hotel and the domain name.
> Do we need donations?

We need better web hosting, so yes.  Looking into it right now.

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[Vinh Nguyen]

i would also consider google checkout as an alternative to paypal:
http://checkout.google.com/seller/npo/
don't know which is better since i haven't used either for donations.
i do agree that we need better web hosting!

vinh
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On Thu, Sep 3, 2009 at 8:23 AM, John J. Foerch<jjfoerch@...> wrote:

> On Thu, Sep 03, 2009 at 02:37:57PM +0200, Deniz Dogan wrote:
>> I started thinking, since so many users obviously like Conkeror, why
>> not set up a PayPal Donations account? I can't really think of any
>> huge expenses, the only ones being the web hotel and the domain name.
>> Do we need donations?
>
> We need better web hosting, so yes.  Looking into it right now.
>
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[Jeremy Maitin-Shepard-2]

"John J. Foerch" <jjfoerch@...> writes:

> On Thu, Sep 03, 2009 at 02:37:57PM +0200, Deniz Dogan wrote:
>> I started thinking, since so many users obviously like Conkeror, why
>> not set up a PayPal Donations account? I can't really think of any
>> huge expenses, the only ones being the web hotel and the domain name.
>> Do we need donations?

> We need better web hosting, so yes.  Looking into it right now.

One to consider might be nearlyfreespeech.net.  One of my friends uses
them for web hosting.  They are very cheap, and they provide automatic
load balancing.  Note: I agree that hcoop, my current provider, is not
that good.  If you find a better one (or decide you like
nearlyfreespeech.net or something) that isn't too expensive, certainly
let me know.  If you'd prefer to administer the server yourself, I can
provide any data dumps of the wiki that you need and once you set up an
alternate server can change the DNS records to point to it..

They don't provide as much flexibility as other hosting options in terms
of the software that can be run, but I don't think we necessarily need
such flexibility.  Options like linode as Nick has suggested provide
complete flexibility, but they provide no automatic load balancing and
frankly I think taking care of administering a complete machine,
including handling software updates, is a large unnecessary hassle.

As far as donations, the expenses are very small.  Currently, I'm using
my existing account on hcoop which is about $5 a month but since I would
have the account anyway, the marginal cost is basically zero.  I also am
paying for the domain name but that also costs practically nothing.  (I
actually have conkeror.{org,net,com} to avoid spammers grabbing them,
but still the $30 a year is not a significant amount.)  Nick is paying
for the linode account that is hosting the bug server, but the linode
account is not solely for the bug server, presumably.

If we accept donations, since Conkeror is not actually an organization,
the donations would actually be to a particular person.  The actual
amount of money spent on the hosting is so small that it would not be
worth dealing with the issues of a donation system just for that.  If
donations in excess of the hosting costs were received, there is the
issue of what they would go to.  Trying to divide up the money among
people would be tricky.  Given that we don't really need the money, we
could suggest to people that ask about donations that they instead
donate to some other charity that they think is useful.  :)

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[John J. Foerch]

On Thu, Sep 03, 2009 at 06:17:26PM -0700, Jeremy Maitin-Shepard wrote:

> "John J. Foerch" <jjfoerch@...> writes:
>
> > On Thu, Sep 03, 2009 at 02:37:57PM +0200, Deniz Dogan wrote:
> >> I started thinking, since so many users obviously like Conkeror, why
> >> not set up a PayPal Donations account? I can't really think of any
> >> huge expenses, the only ones being the web hotel and the domain name.
> >> Do we need donations?
>
> > We need better web hosting, so yes.  Looking into it right now.
>
> One to consider might be nearlyfreespeech.net.  One of my friends uses
> them for web hosting.  They are very cheap, and they provide automatic
> load balancing.  Note: I agree that hcoop, my current provider, is not
> that good.  If you find a better one (or decide you like
> nearlyfreespeech.net or something) that isn't too expensive, certainly
> let me know.  If you'd prefer to administer the server yourself, I can
> provide any data dumps of the wiki that you need and once you set up an
> alternate server can change the DNS records to point to it..

  Sketch has volunteered to host the wiki on his server.  Can you
coordinate with him about the change-over?


> If we accept donations, since Conkeror is not actually an organization,
> the donations would actually be to a particular person.  The actual
> amount of money spent on the hosting is so small that it would not be
> worth dealing with the issues of a donation system just for that.  If
> donations in excess of the hosting costs were received, there is the
> issue of what they would go to.  Trying to divide up the money among
> people would be tricky.  Given that we don't really need the money, we
> could suggest to people that ask about donations that they instead
> donate to some other charity that they think is useful.  :)


  I like that idea.

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