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E-mail- Batch is SLOW
by TennP
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I posted a question about this 1-2 months ago and thanks for the feedback
then. I have further isolated the problem. I am using 4D Runtime 2003.6. When my clients send group e-mails (100-500) short e-mails (less than 500 characters), it can take hours when they are using authentication. When the few that don't have to use authentication (they can do it either with or without), it take about 15 minutes. So here is the scenario: One of my customer sends 100 e-mails ( 500 characters) with authentication: takes 2-3 hours. Same customer sends 100 e-mails(500 characters) without authentication: takes 10 minutes. Same customer send 100 e-mails(500 characters) with authentication from OUTLOOK: takes 10 minutes. Below is my code that I loop when authentication is required. Am I missing something? I have also tried just using the authentication on the first e-mail and not the subsequent ones but get an error message on the subsequent ones. If (vEmailResponseTimeOut<5) $Error:=IT_SetTimeOut (15) Else $Error:=IT_SetTimeOut (vEmailResponseTimeOut) End if Case of : (Not(ErrorCheckingMail ("New";SMTP_New ($smtp_ID)))) : (Not(ErrorCheckingMail ("Set Port";IT_SetPort (2;vEmailPort)))) : (Not(ErrorCheckingMail ("Auth";SMTP_Auth ($smtp_ID;vEmailUserName;vEmailUserPassword;0)))) : (Not(ErrorCheckingMail ("Host";SMTP_Host ($smtp_ID;vEmailSMTP;0)))) : (Not(ErrorCheckingMail ("To";SMTP_From ($smtp_ID;vEmailFromDefault;1)))) : (Not(ErrorCheckingMail ("New";SMTP_To ($smtp_ID;$1->;1)))) : (Not(ErrorCheckingMail ("Body";SMTP_Body ($smtp_ID;vEmailText;1)))) : (Not(ErrorCheckingMail ("Subject";SMTP_Subject ($smtp_ID;vEmailSubject;1)))) : (Not(Attachments ($smtp_ID))) : (Not(ErrorCheckingMail ("Send";SMTP_Send ($smtp_ID)))) : (Not(ErrorCheckingMail ("Clear";SMTP_Clear ($smtp_ID)))) End case Thanks for any help. Paul Ziegler President Mt. Taylor Programs Private Advantage Software privateadvantage@... www.privateadv.com **************It's raining cats and dogs -- Come to PawNation, a place where pets rule! (http://www.pawnation.com/?ncid=emlcntnew00000008) ********************************************************************** Register for 4D Summit 2009 Today Early Bird Pricing Ends August 28th - http://www.4d.com/summit 4D Internet Users Group (4D iNUG) FAQ: http://www.4D.com/support/faqnug.html Archive: http://lists.4D.com/archives.html Options: https://lists.4d.com/mailman/options/4d_tech Unsub: mailto:4D_Tech-Unsubscribe@... ********************************************************************** |
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RE: E-mail- Batch is SLOW
by David Ringsmuth
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Paul,
I had to write an email throttle to do the opposite of what I am about to recommend to you, because many ISP's flag as spam a sender when too many emails are received too quickly. If that is not a problem for you, you may want to verify that your sending computer has reverse-lookup email authentication configured (PTR record). Optionally you may want to send through a relay such as PostCast, or IIS and allow those to handle delivery. I've used both of these. Sending to them is like printing to a spooler. Both have email logs that help fix other email sending problems (blocked, bad ehelo, helo, bad PTR, etc.) Hth David Ringsmuth -----Original Message----- From: 4d_tech-bounces@... [mailto:4d_tech-bounces@...] On Behalf Of TennP@... Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2009 4:13 PM To: 4d_tech@... Subject: E-mail- Batch is SLOW I posted a question about this 1-2 months ago and thanks for the feedback then. I have further isolated the problem. I am using 4D Runtime 2003.6. When my clients send group e-mails (100-500) short e-mails (less than 500 characters), it can take hours when they are using authentication. When the few that don't have to use authentication (they can do it either with or without), it take about 15 minutes. So here is the scenario: One of my customer sends 100 e-mails ( 500 characters) with authentication: takes 2-3 hours. Same customer sends 100 e-mails(500 characters) without authentication: takes 10 minutes. Same customer send 100 e-mails(500 characters) with authentication from OUTLOOK: takes 10 minutes. Below is my code that I loop when authentication is required. Am I missing something? I have also tried just using the authentication on the first e-mail and not the subsequent ones but get an error message on the subsequent ones. If (vEmailResponseTimeOut<5) $Error:=IT_SetTimeOut (15) Else $Error:=IT_SetTimeOut (vEmailResponseTimeOut) End if Case of : (Not(ErrorCheckingMail ("New";SMTP_New ($smtp_ID)))) : (Not(ErrorCheckingMail ("Set Port";IT_SetPort (2;vEmailPort)))) : (Not(ErrorCheckingMail ("Auth";SMTP_Auth ($smtp_ID;vEmailUserName;vEmailUserPassword;0)))) : (Not(ErrorCheckingMail ("Host";SMTP_Host ($smtp_ID;vEmailSMTP;0)))) : (Not(ErrorCheckingMail ("To";SMTP_From ($smtp_ID;vEmailFromDefault;1)))) : (Not(ErrorCheckingMail ("New";SMTP_To ($smtp_ID;$1->;1)))) : (Not(ErrorCheckingMail ("Body";SMTP_Body ($smtp_ID;vEmailText;1)))) : (Not(ErrorCheckingMail ("Subject";SMTP_Subject ($smtp_ID;vEmailSubject;1)))) : (Not(Attachments ($smtp_ID))) : (Not(ErrorCheckingMail ("Send";SMTP_Send ($smtp_ID)))) : (Not(ErrorCheckingMail ("Clear";SMTP_Clear ($smtp_ID)))) End case Thanks for any help. Paul Ziegler President Mt. Taylor Programs Private Advantage Software privateadvantage@... www.privateadv.com **************It's raining cats and dogs -- Come to PawNation, a place where pets rule! (http://www.pawnation.com/?ncid=emlcntnew00000008) ********************************************************************** Register for 4D Summit 2009 Today Early Bird Pricing Ends August 28th - http://www.4d.com/summit 4D Internet Users Group (4D iNUG) FAQ: http://www.4D.com/support/faqnug.html Archive: http://lists.4D.com/archives.html Options: https://lists.4d.com/mailman/options/4d_tech Unsub: mailto:4D_Tech-Unsubscribe@... ********************************************************************** ********************************************************************** Register for 4D Summit 2009 Today Early Bird Pricing Ends August 28th - http://www.4d.com/summit 4D Internet Users Group (4D iNUG) FAQ: http://www.4D.com/support/faqnug.html Archive: http://lists.4D.com/archives.html Options: https://lists.4d.com/mailman/options/4d_tech Unsub: mailto:4D_Tech-Unsubscribe@... ********************************************************************** |
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Re: E-mail- Batch is SLOW
by Mehboob Alam
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Paul, Try setting your own local SMTP server which then routes to the outside ISP server. Then point the 4D Email blast at the local in-house server. You didnt mention which OS this is running on - XP or Vista? sincerely, mehboob alam Electricity is actually made up of extremely tiny particles called electrons, that you cannot see with the naked eye unless you have been drinking. - Dave Barry ----- Original Message ---- From: "TennP@..." <TennP@...> To: 4d_tech@... Sent: Wednesday, July 1, 2009 5:12:37 PM Subject: E-mail- Batch is SLOW I posted a question about this 1-2 months ago and thanks for the feedback then. I have further isolated the problem. I am using 4D Runtime 2003.6. When my clients send group e-mails (100-500) short e-mails (less than 500 characters), it can take hours when they are using authentication. When the few that don't have to use authentication (they can do it either with or without), it take about 15 minutes. So here is the scenario: One of my customer sends 100 e-mails ( 500 characters) with authentication: takes 2-3 hours. Same customer sends 100 e-mails(500 characters) without authentication: takes 10 minutes. Same customer send 100 e-mails(500 characters) with authentication from OUTLOOK: takes 10 minutes. Below is my code that I loop when authentication is required. Am I missing something? I have also tried just using the authentication on the first e-mail and not the subsequent ones but get an error message on the subsequent ones. If (vEmailResponseTimeOut<5) $Error:=IT_SetTimeOut (15) Else $Error:=IT_SetTimeOut (vEmailResponseTimeOut) End if Case of : (Not(ErrorCheckingMail ("New";SMTP_New ($smtp_ID)))) : (Not(ErrorCheckingMail ("Set Port";IT_SetPort (2;vEmailPort)))) : (Not(ErrorCheckingMail ("Auth";SMTP_Auth ($smtp_ID;vEmailUserName;vEmailUserPassword;0)))) : (Not(ErrorCheckingMail ("Host";SMTP_Host ($smtp_ID;vEmailSMTP;0)))) : (Not(ErrorCheckingMail ("To";SMTP_From ($smtp_ID;vEmailFromDefault;1)))) : (Not(ErrorCheckingMail ("New";SMTP_To ($smtp_ID;$1->;1)))) : (Not(ErrorCheckingMail ("Body";SMTP_Body ($smtp_ID;vEmailText;1)))) : (Not(ErrorCheckingMail ("Subject";SMTP_Subject ($smtp_ID;vEmailSubject;1)))) : (Not(Attachments ($smtp_ID))) : (Not(ErrorCheckingMail ("Send";SMTP_Send ($smtp_ID)))) : (Not(ErrorCheckingMail ("Clear";SMTP_Clear ($smtp_ID)))) End case Thanks for any help. Paul Ziegler President Mt. Taylor Programs Private Advantage Software privateadvantage@... www.privateadv.com **************It's raining cats and dogs -- Come to PawNation, a place where pets rule! (http://www.pawnation.com/?ncid=emlcntnew00000008) ********************************************************************** Register for 4D Summit 2009 Today Early Bird Pricing Ends August 28th - http://www.4d.com/summit 4D Internet Users Group (4D iNUG) FAQ: http://www.4D.com/support/faqnug.html Archive: http://lists.4D.com/archives.html Options: https://lists.4d.com/mailman/options/4d_tech Unsub: mailto:4D_Tech-Unsubscribe@... ********************************************************************** ********************************************************************** Register for 4D Summit 2009 Today Early Bird Pricing Ends August 28th - http://www.4d.com/summit 4D Internet Users Group (4D iNUG) FAQ: http://www.4D.com/support/faqnug.html Archive: http://lists.4D.com/archives.html Options: https://lists.4d.com/mailman/options/4d_tech Unsub: mailto:4D_Tech-Unsubscribe@... ********************************************************************** |
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RE: E-mail- Batch is SLOW
by David Ringsmuth
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Paul,
Re: "Where is this configured" Ask the business who provides the public IP address to add a PTR record that points to the (sub)domain name at your IP address. In my situations the subdomain is set up where the DNS is parked. It is an "A" record such as "secure.domain.com" that references the IP address where email is sent from. The assumption here is that you have an (sub)domain that resolves to the IP address from which you are sending email. David -----Original Message----- From: 4d_tech-bounces@... [mailto:4d_tech-bounces@...] On Behalf Of TennP@... Sent: Thursday, July 02, 2009 2:46 PM To: 4d_tech@... Subject: RE: E-mail- Batch is SLOW Thanks for the replies. Re: If that is not a problem for you, you may want to verify that your sending computer has reverse-lookup email authentication configured (PTR record). Where is this configured. I am using Win Vista and sending the emails from 4D. Paul Ziegler President Mt. Taylor Programs Private Advantage Software privateadvantage@... www.privateadv.com **************It's raining cats and dogs -- Come to PawNation, a place where pets rule! (http://www.pawnation.com/?ncid=emlcntnew00000008) ********************************************************************** Register for 4D Summit 2009 Today Early Bird Pricing Ends August 28th - http://www.4d.com/summit 4D Internet Users Group (4D iNUG) FAQ: http://www.4D.com/support/faqnug.html Archive: http://lists.4D.com/archives.html Options: https://lists.4d.com/mailman/options/4d_tech Unsub: mailto:4D_Tech-Unsubscribe@... ********************************************************************** |
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Re: E-mail- Batch is SLOW
by Mehboob Alam
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In Vista, you may also run afoul of the system UAC (User Account Control). If you have a chance to experiment, try turning it off http://www.petri.co.il/disable_uac_in_windows_vista.htm I have read numerous reports of email-blast vendors having to fix their products to work with Vista, or instruct the users to switch off the AUC. http://www.sendblaster.com/why-we-make-best-bulk-emailers/win-vista-turning-uac-on/ sincerely, mehboob alam Electricity is actually made up of extremely tiny particles called electrons, that you cannot see with the naked eye unless you have been drinking. - Dave Barry ----- Original Message ---- From: "TennP@..." <TennP@...> To: 4d_tech@... Sent: Thursday, July 2, 2009 3:45:55 PM Subject: RE: E-mail- Batch is SLOW Thanks for the replies. Re: If that is not a problem for you, you may want to verify that your sending computer has reverse-lookup email authentication configured (PTR record). Where is this configured. I am using Win Vista and sending the emails from 4D. Paul Ziegler President Mt. Taylor Programs Private Advantage Software privateadvantage@... www.privateadv.com **************It's raining cats and dogs -- Come to PawNation, a place where pets rule! (http://www.pawnation.com/?ncid=emlcntnew00000008) ********************************************************************** Register for 4D Summit 2009 Today Early Bird Pricing Ends August 28th - http://www.4d.com/summit 4D Internet Users Group (4D iNUG) FAQ: http://www.4D.com/support/faqnug.html Archive: http://lists.4D.com/archives.html Options: https://lists.4d.com/mailman/options/4d_tech Unsub: mailto:4D_Tech-Unsubscribe@... ********************************************************************** ********************************************************************** Live Data Mapping Services with 4D v11 SQL See it for yourself - http://www.4d.com/solutions/ndwater.html 4D Internet Users Group (4D iNUG) FAQ: http://www.4D.com/support/faqnug.html Archive: http://lists.4D.com/archives.html Options: https://lists.4d.com/mailman/options/4d_tech Unsub: mailto:4D_Tech-Unsubscribe@... ********************************************************************** |
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Re: E-mail- Batch is SLOW
by Matthias Schmidt-6
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Am/On Thu, 2 Jul 2009 15:45:55 -0400 schrieb/wrote TennP@...:
>Re: If that is not a problem for you, you may want to verify that your >sending >computer has reverse-lookup email authentication configured (PTR record). > > >Where is this configured. I am using Win Vista and sending the emails from > 4D. in your DNS server. The reverse pointer should correctly resolve to the A-Record of your public IP. cheers, Matthias ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Admilon Consulting GmbH Am Wiesengrund 9a, 90584 Allersberg, Germany Geschäftsführer: Peter Frank, Matthias Schmidt Amtsgericht Nürnberg: HRB 21750 VAT Reg.No: DE242271157 Tel.: +49-9174 - 6646 Fax: +49-9174 - 6647 <http://www.admilon-consulting.de> ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------ RFC822 Header folgt------------------ From: "Matthias Schmidt" <4D_info@...> To: "4D iNug Technical" <4d_tech@...> Subject: Re: E-mail- Batch is SLOW Date: Fri, 3 Jul 2009 13:30:49 +0900 Message-Id: <20090703043049.2104704160@...> In-Reply-To: <c67.580fb8ca.377e6873@...> References: <c67.580fb8ca.377e6873@...> X-Mailer: CTM PowerMail version 6.0.2 build 4601 German (intel) <http://www.ctmdev.com> Organization: Admilon Consulting GmbH X-Archive: encrypt MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ----------------------------------------------------------- ********************************************************************** Live Data Mapping Services with 4D v11 SQL See it for yourself - http://www.4d.com/solutions/ndwater.html 4D Internet Users Group (4D iNUG) FAQ: http://www.4D.com/support/faqnug.html Archive: http://lists.4D.com/archives.html Options: https://lists.4d.com/mailman/options/4d_tech Unsub: mailto:4D_Tech-Unsubscribe@... ********************************************************************** |
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Re: E-mail- Batch is SLOW
by Justus Janssen - 4Dnug
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Hi Paul,
TennP@... wrote: > > Case of > : (Not(ErrorCheckingMail ("New";SMTP_New ($smtp_ID)))) > : (Not(ErrorCheckingMail ("Set Port";IT_SetPort (2;vEmailPort)))) > : (Not(ErrorCheckingMail ("Auth";SMTP_Auth > ($smtp_ID;vEmailUserName;vEmailUserPassword;0)))) > : (Not(ErrorCheckingMail ("Host";SMTP_Host ($smtp_ID;vEmailSMTP;0)))) > : (Not(ErrorCheckingMail ("To";SMTP_From ($smtp_ID;vEmailFromDefault;1)))) > : (Not(ErrorCheckingMail ("New";SMTP_To ($smtp_ID;$1->;1)))) > : (Not(ErrorCheckingMail ("Body";SMTP_Body ($smtp_ID;vEmailText;1)))) > : (Not(ErrorCheckingMail ("Subject";SMTP_Subject > ($smtp_ID;vEmailSubject;1)))) > : (Not(Attachments ($smtp_ID))) > : (Not(ErrorCheckingMail ("Send";SMTP_Send ($smtp_ID)))) > : (Not(ErrorCheckingMail ("Clear";SMTP_Clear ($smtp_ID)))) > could it be that initiating a new SMTP session for each message, is what is causing the delays? In typical Batch processing, one tries to eliminate as much overhead as possible. The new series of commands would then be: New Set port Auth Host ... (loop for each mail) ... From To Subject Body Attachments Send ... (end loop) ... Clear Depending on the type and content of the mailing, the "From", "Subject", "Body" and/or "Attachments" field(s) might be set outside the loop too. Haven't tested this for speed, though it should work technically. Hope this helps, -- Justus Janssen Arpa - Veldhoven, Netherlands ********************************************************************** Live Data Mapping Services with 4D v11 SQL See it for yourself - http://www.4d.com/solutions/ndwater.html 4D Internet Users Group (4D iNUG) FAQ: http://www.4D.com/support/faqnug.html Archive: http://lists.4D.com/archives.html Options: https://lists.4d.com/mailman/options/4d_tech Unsub: mailto:4D_Tech-Unsubscribe@... ********************************************************************** |
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