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<br><br>i am now on holiday, out of my desk. But I will have a look when coming back .
<br>I hope I will not need to bother you anymore.
<br><br>meanwhile, I whish you a merry christmass and an happy new year
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<br><br><br>On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 7:30 AM, Schorn, Markus
<br><<a href="http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&post=26876841&i=0" target="_top" rel="nofollow">Markus.Schorn@...</a>> wrote:
<div class='shrinkable-quote'><br>> I gave a presentation at EclipseCon 2009:
<br>> 'Using CDT APIs to programmatically introspect C/C++ code'. The slides
<br>> contain some code examples that may help:
<br>> <a href="http://wiki.eclipse.org/CDT:Presentations" target="_top" rel="nofollow">http://wiki.eclipse.org/CDT:Presentations</a><br>>
<br>> Markus.
<br>>
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<br>>> Subject: [cdt-dev] finding a function's definition from a call
<br>>> Importance: Low
<br>>>
<br>>> Hi,
<br>>>
<br>>> This is certainly a basic question but I cannot seem to find
<br>>> clear information on the net (I even asked by mistake on
<br>>> cdt-l, the Continental Divide Trail mailing list, whatever it
<br>>> is ... :) ).
<br>>>
<br>>> I want to analyse some C program using CDT.
<br>>>
<br>>> When I find in the AST an IASTExpression that I know is a
<br>>> function call (instanceof IASTFunctionCallExpression), how
<br>>> can I find where the function is defined (in what file) ?
<br>>>
<br>>> I am experimenting with a simple C project that has 2 files
<br>>> and one function in each file, one of the functions calls the other.
<br>>>
<br>>> I could access the name of the FunctionCall and from that the
<br>>> IBinding.
<br>>>
<br>>> What next?
<br>>>
<br>>> I tried
<br>>> expr.getTranslationUnit().getDefinitionsInAST(name.resolveBinding())
<br>>> with either file as translationUnit but that gave me an empty
<br>>> array :-(
<br>>>
<br>>> May be it comes from how I generate the AST?
<br>>>
<br>>> ICProject cproj = CoreModel.getDefault().create(proj);
<br>>> for (ICContainer folder : cproj.getSourceRoots()) { for
<br>>> (ITranslationUnit unit : folder.getTranslationUnits()) {
<br>>> IASTTranslationUnit unitAST = unit.getAST();
<br>>> [...then explore the AST 'unitAST' to find
<br>>> IASTFunctionCallExpression in it ... ]
<br>>>
<br>>> Can you help?
<br>>> Please?
<br>>>
<br>>>
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<br><br>I set up a tool chain for a C compiler for microcontrollers. I defined an extension to
<br>ScannerConfigurationDiscoveryProfile (with scope "profile") and implemented a specific
<br>specsFile/scannerInfoConsoleParser. For the other elements (scannerInfoCollector and
<br>buildOutputProvider/scannerInfoCollector) I reused the existing implementations of the GNU C tool chain.
<br><br>Although my IScannerInfoConsoleParser detects the default include paths, they don't appear in the
<br>IDE. Neither in the project explorer in the "Includes" container, nor in the project properties
<br>under "C/C++ General - Paths and Symbols".
<br><br>The method "shutdown" of my IScannerInfoConsoleParser is a clone of
<br>GCCSpecsConsoleParser.shutdown(), so I guess that the problem has to be somewhere else.
<br><br>I already stepped through IncludeRefContainer.getChildren() (the method which provides the elements
<br>for the project explorer), where I've seen that "IIncludeReference[] references =
<br>fCProject.getIncludeReferences()" returns an empty list for my project.
<br><br>How do I have to fill the gap between ScannerInfoConsoleParser and CProject.getIncludedReferences()?
<br><br>Thanks a lot,
<br>Martin
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<br>could be wrong. I'll just upgrade this one to the latest gdb. Thanks,
<br><br>John
<br><br>At 01:50 PM 12/18/2009, Marc Khouzam wrote:
<div class='shrinkable-quote'><br>>Did it really work before?
<br>>DSF-GDB only supports GDB 6.6 or higher...
<br>>(it may work with older ones, but not 'officially')
<br>>
<br>> > -----Original Message-----
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<br>> > Sent: Friday, December 18, 2009 2:47 PM
<br>> > To: CDT General developers list.; CDT General developers list.
<br>> > Subject: Re: [cdt-dev] DSF/gdb debugging broken on Windows?
<br>> >
<br>> > It's cygwin:
<br>> >
<br>> > GNU gdb 6.3.50_2004-12-28-cvs (cygwin-special)
<br>> >
<br>> > John
<br>> >
<br>> > At 12:23 PM 12/18/2009, Daniel Jacobowitz wrote:
<br>> > >On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 11:22:08AM -0500, Marc Khouzam wrote:
<br>> > > > This sounds like a quoting issue.
<br>> > > > Did some bug fly by recently about quoting problems with windows?
<br>> > >
<br>> > >The quoting looks fine - this is about the error I'd expect if your
<br>> > >GDB does not support "auto-solib-add".
<br>> > >
<br>> > >Is this a Cygwin GDB (if so, what version and why doesn't it support
<br>> > >auto-solib-add) or an embedded cross GDB (in which case DSF needs to
<br>> > >recognize that this command is not always available)?
<br>> > >
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<br>assumed to be at a certain version for the debugging to work.
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<br><br>On Dec 18, 2009, at 2:46 PM, John Cortell wrote:
<br><div class='shrinkable-quote'><br>> It's cygwin:
<br>>
<br>> GNU gdb 6.3.50_2004-12-28-cvs (cygwin-special)
<br>>
<br>> John
<br>>
<br>> At 12:23 PM 12/18/2009, Daniel Jacobowitz wrote:
<br>>> On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 11:22:08AM -0500, Marc Khouzam wrote:
<br>>> > This sounds like a quoting issue.
<br>>> > Did some bug fly by recently about quoting problems with windows?
<br>>>
<br>>> The quoting looks fine - this is about the error I'd expect if your
<br>>> GDB does not support "auto-solib-add".
<br>>>
<br>>> Is this a Cygwin GDB (if so, what version and why doesn't it support
<br>>> auto-solib-add) or an embedded cross GDB (in which case DSF needs to
<br>>> recognize that this command is not always available)?
<br>>>
<br>>> --
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<br>DSF-GDB only supports GDB 6.6 or higher...
<br>(it may work with older ones, but not 'officially')
<br><div class='shrinkable-quote'><br>> -----Original Message-----
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<br>> Sent: Friday, December 18, 2009 2:47 PM
<br>> To: CDT General developers list.; CDT General developers list.
<br>> Subject: Re: [cdt-dev] DSF/gdb debugging broken on Windows?
<br>>
<br>> It's cygwin:
<br>>
<br>> GNU gdb 6.3.50_2004-12-28-cvs (cygwin-special)
<br>>
<br>> John
<br>>
<br>> At 12:23 PM 12/18/2009, Daniel Jacobowitz wrote:
<br>> >On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 11:22:08AM -0500, Marc Khouzam wrote:
<br>> > > This sounds like a quoting issue.
<br>> > > Did some bug fly by recently about quoting problems with windows?
<br>> >
<br>> >The quoting looks fine - this is about the error I'd expect if your
<br>> >GDB does not support "auto-solib-add".
<br>> >
<br>> >Is this a Cygwin GDB (if so, what version and why doesn't it support
<br>> >auto-solib-add) or an embedded cross GDB (in which case DSF needs to
<br>> >recognize that this command is not always available)?
<br>> >
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<br><br>GNU gdb 6.3.50_2004-12-28-cvs (cygwin-special)
<br><br>John
<br><br>At 12:23 PM 12/18/2009, Daniel Jacobowitz wrote:
<div class='shrinkable-quote'><br>>On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 11:22:08AM -0500, Marc Khouzam wrote:
<br>> > This sounds like a quoting issue.
<br>> > Did some bug fly by recently about quoting problems with windows?
<br>>
<br>>The quoting looks fine - this is about the error I'd expect if your
<br>>GDB does not support "auto-solib-add".
<br>>
<br>>Is this a Cygwin GDB (if so, what version and why doesn't it support
<br>>auto-solib-add) or an embedded cross GDB (in which case DSF needs to
<br>>recognize that this command is not always available)?
<br>>
<br>>--
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<br>>CodeSourcery
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<br>> Sent: Friday, December 18, 2009 1:23 PM
<br>> To: CDT General developers list.
<br>> Subject: Re: [cdt-dev] DSF/gdb debugging broken on Windows?
<br>>
<br>> On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 11:22:08AM -0500, Marc Khouzam wrote:
<br>> > This sounds like a quoting issue.
<br>> > Did some bug fly by recently about quoting problems with windows?
<br>>
<br>> The quoting looks fine - this is about the error I'd expect if your
<br>> GDB does not support "auto-solib-add".
<br>>
<br>> Is this a Cygwin GDB (if so, what version and why doesn't it support
<br>> auto-solib-add) or an embedded cross GDB (in which case DSF needs to
<br>> recognize that this command is not always available)?
</div><br>FWIW, I just tried it for MinGw GDB 7.0 and it works.
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<br>> This sounds like a quoting issue.
<br>> Did some bug fly by recently about quoting problems with windows?
<br><br>The quoting looks fine - this is about the error I'd expect if your
<br>GDB does not support "auto-solib-add".
<br><br>Is this a Cygwin GDB (if so, what version and why doesn't it support
<br>auto-solib-add) or an embedded cross GDB (in which case DSF needs to
<br>recognize that this command is not always available)?
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<br>Did some bug fly by recently about quoting problems with windows?
<br><div class='shrinkable-quote'><br>> -----Original Message-----
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<br>> Sent: Friday, December 18, 2009 10:40 AM
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<br>> Subject: [cdt-dev] DSF/gdb debugging broken on Windows?
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<br>> I installed Eclipse 3.6M4 and grabbed the latest CDT sources from
<br>> cvs. I have no local changes. A CDI/gdb debug session launches fine.
<br>> A DSF/gdb one does not. See attached screenshot. This used to work
<br>> fine, so I assume someone has been tweaking something...
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<br>cvs. I have no local changes. A CDI/gdb debug session launches fine.
<br>A DSF/gdb one does not. See attached screenshot. This used to work
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<p>And BTW, it does follow include directives. I don't think there is any depth limit.<br>
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<font size="4">Jeff,<br>
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Thanks for the reply. So I guess the answer for the customer on #1 is "No" since we do not bundle any of the Linux plugins.<br>
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> > > 2. Would Makefile parser be able to parse the Makefile hierarchy<br>
> > > that is five directory levels deep?<br>
> ><br>
> <br>
> Not sure what you mean here.</font></tt><font size="4"><br>
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I think what the customer meant by that is will the parser traverse included makefiles. Really this comes into play when doing content assist in a makefile.</font></tt><font size="4"><br>
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> I'm not even sure the Makefile parser can parse Makefiles. Certainly<br>
> some of the Makefiles I've written for 3.81 confuse the hell out of it.<br>
><br>
> On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 10:12 AM, Chris Recoskie <<a href="http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&post=26834304&i=5" target="_top" rel="nofollow">recoskie@...</a><br>
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><br>
> I have the following question from a customer. I don't use<br>
> autoconf/automake, so I'm unsure of the answer. Does anyone know?<br>
> Jeff Johnston?<br>
><br>
> > 1. I am wondering if the Makefile parser would be able to parse<br>
> > Makefile.am/Makefile.in files used by autoconf/automake GNU tools?<br>
> > Our build system is based on these tools.<br>
> ><br>
<br>
The Linux tools Autotools plugin parses Makefile.in and Makefile.am <br>
files via its GNUAutomakefile class which is currently internal. <br>
Perhaps it is what you are looking for or close to it.<br>
<br>
> > 2. Would Makefile parser be able to parse the Makefile hierarchy<br>
> > that is five directory levels deep?<br>
><br>
<br>
Not sure what you mean here.<br>
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><br>
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<p>Jeff,<br>
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Thanks for the reply. So I guess the answer for the customer on #1 is "No" since we do not bundle any of the Linux plugins.<br>
<br>
<tt>> > > 2. Would Makefile parser be able to parse the Makefile hierarchy<br>
> > > that is five directory levels deep?<br>
> ><br>
> <br>
> Not sure what you mean here.</tt><br>
<br>
<tt>I think what the customer meant by that is will the parser traverse included makefiles. Really this comes into play when doing content assist in a makefile.</tt><br>
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<tt>On 16/12/09 10:15 AM, Doug Schaefer wrote:<br>
> I'm not even sure the Makefile parser can parse Makefiles. Certainly<br>
> some of the Makefiles I've written for 3.81 confuse the hell out of it.<br>
><br>
> On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 10:12 AM, Chris Recoskie <<a href="http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&post=26834260&i=3" target="_top" rel="nofollow">recoskie@...</a><br>
> <</tt><tt><a href="http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&post=26834260&i=4" target="_top" rel="nofollow">recoskie@...</a></tt><tt>>> wrote:<br>
><br>
> I have the following question from a customer. I don't use<br>
> autoconf/automake, so I'm unsure of the answer. Does anyone know?<br>
> Jeff Johnston?<br>
><br>
> > 1. I am wondering if the Makefile parser would be able to parse<br>
> > Makefile.am/Makefile.in files used by autoconf/automake GNU tools?<br>
> > Our build system is based on these tools.<br>
> ><br>
<br>
The Linux tools Autotools plugin parses Makefile.in and Makefile.am <br>
files via its GNUAutomakefile class which is currently internal. <br>
Perhaps it is what you are looking for or close to it.<br>
<br>
> > 2. Would Makefile parser be able to parse the Makefile hierarchy<br>
> > that is five directory levels deep?<br>
><br>
<br>
Not sure what you mean here.<br>
<br>
-- Jeff Johnston<br>
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> Thanks,<br>
><br>
> ===========================<br>
> Chris Recoskie<br>
> Team Lead, IBM CDT and RDT<br>
> IBM Toronto<br>
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<div class='shrinkable-quote'><br>> I'm not even sure the Makefile parser can parse Makefiles. Certainly
<br>> some of the Makefiles I've written for 3.81 confuse the hell out of it.
<br>>
<br>> On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 10:12 AM, Chris Recoskie <<a href="http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&post=26834021&i=0" target="_top" rel="nofollow">recoskie@...</a>
<br>> <mailto:<a href="http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&post=26834021&i=1" target="_top" rel="nofollow">recoskie@...</a>>> wrote:
<br>>
<br>> I have the following question from a customer. I don't use
<br>> autoconf/automake, so I'm unsure of the answer. Does anyone know?
<br>> Jeff Johnston?
<br>>
<br>> > 1. I am wondering if the Makefile parser would be able to parse
<br>> > Makefile.am/Makefile.in files used by autoconf/automake GNU tools?
<br>> > Our build system is based on these tools.
<br>> >
</div><br>The Linux tools Autotools plugin parses Makefile.in and Makefile.am
<br>files via its GNUAutomakefile class which is currently internal.
<br>Perhaps it is what you are looking for or close to it.
<br><br>> > 2. Would Makefile parser be able to parse the Makefile hierarchy
<br>> > that is five directory levels deep?
<br>>
<br><br>Not sure what you mean here.
<br><br>-- Jeff Johnston
<br><div class='shrinkable-quote'><br>> Thanks,
<br>>
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<br>> Team Lead, IBM CDT and RDT
<br>> IBM Toronto
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<br>'Using CDT APIs to programmatically introspect C/C++ code'. The slides
<br>contain some code examples that may help:
<br><a href="http://wiki.eclipse.org/CDT:Presentations" target="_top" rel="nofollow">http://wiki.eclipse.org/CDT:Presentations</a><br><br>Markus.
<br><div class='shrinkable-quote'><br>> -----Original Message-----
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<br>> [mailto:<a href="http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&post=26825347&i=1" target="_top" rel="nofollow">cdt-dev-bounces@...</a>] On Behalf Of Nicolas Anquetil
<br>> Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2009 4:45 PM
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<br>> Subject: [cdt-dev] finding a function's definition from a call
<br>> Importance: Low
<br>>
<br>> Hi,
<br>>
<br>> This is certainly a basic question but I cannot seem to find
<br>> clear information on the net (I even asked by mistake on
<br>> cdt-l, the Continental Divide Trail mailing list, whatever it
<br>> is ... :) ).
<br>>
<br>> I want to analyse some C program using CDT.
<br>>
<br>> When I find in the AST an IASTExpression that I know is a
<br>> function call (instanceof IASTFunctionCallExpression), how
<br>> can I find where the function is defined (in what file) ?
<br>>
<br>> I am experimenting with a simple C project that has 2 files
<br>> and one function in each file, one of the functions calls the other.
<br>>
<br>> I could access the name of the FunctionCall and from that the
<br>> IBinding.
<br>>
<br>> What next?
<br>>
<br>> I tried
<br>> expr.getTranslationUnit().getDefinitionsInAST(name.resolveBinding())
<br>> with either file as translationUnit but that gave me an empty
<br>> array :-(
<br>>
<br>> May be it comes from how I generate the AST?
<br>>
<br>> ICProject cproj = CoreModel.getDefault().create(proj);
<br>> for (ICContainer folder : cproj.getSourceRoots()) { for
<br>> (ITranslationUnit unit : folder.getTranslationUnits()) {
<br>> IASTTranslationUnit unitAST = unit.getAST();
<br>> [...then explore the AST 'unitAST' to find
<br>> IASTFunctionCallExpression in it ... ]
<br>>
<br>> Can you help?
<br>> Please?
<br>>
<br>>
<br>> --
<br>> Nicolas Anquetil Univ. Lille1 / INRIA-equipe RMod
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<br><br>This is certainly a basic question but I cannot seem to find clear
<br>information on the net (I even asked by mistake on cdt-l, the
<br>Continental Divide Trail mailing list, whatever it is ... :) ).
<br><br>I want to analyse some C program using CDT.
<br><br>When I find in the AST an IASTExpression that I know is a function
<br>call (instanceof IASTFunctionCallExpression), how can I find where the
<br>function is defined (in what file) ?
<br><br>I am experimenting with a simple C project that has 2 files and one
<br>function in each file, one of the functions calls the other.
<br><br>I could access the name of the FunctionCall and from that the IBinding.
<br><br>What next?
<br><br>I tried expr.getTranslationUnit().getDefinitionsInAST(name.resolveBinding())
<br>with either file as translationUnit but that gave me an empty array
<br>:-(
<br><br>May be it comes from how I generate the AST?
<br><br>ICProject cproj = CoreModel.getDefault().create(proj);
<br>for (ICContainer folder : cproj.getSourceRoots()) {
<br> for (ITranslationUnit unit : folder.getTranslationUnits()) {
<br> IASTTranslationUnit unitAST = unit.getAST();
<br> [...then explore the AST 'unitAST' to find
<br>IASTFunctionCallExpression in it ... ]
<br><br>Can you help?
<br>Please?
<br><br><br>--
<br>Nicolas Anquetil Univ. Lille1 / INRIA-equipe RMod
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<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"><div>
<p>I have the following question from a customer. I don't use autoconf/automake, so I'm unsure of the answer. Does anyone know? Jeff Johnston?<br>
<br>
<font size="4">> 1. I am wondering if the Makefile parser would be able to parse <br>
> Makefile.am/Makefile.in files used by autoconf/automake GNU tools? <br>
> Our build system is based on these tools.<br>
> <br>
> 2. Would Makefile parser be able to parse the Makefile hierarchy <br>
> that is five directory levels deep? </font><br>
<br>
<font size="4">Thanks,</font><br>
<br>
===========================<br><font color="#888888">
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Team Lead, IBM CDT and RDT<br>
IBM Toronto</font></p></div><br>_______________________________________________<br>
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<p>I have the following question from a customer. I don't use autoconf/automake, so I'm unsure of the answer. Does anyone know? Jeff Johnston?<br>
<br>
<font size="4">> 1. I am wondering if the Makefile parser would be able to parse <br>
> Makefile.am/Makefile.in files used by autoconf/automake GNU tools? <br>
> Our build system is based on these tools.<br>
> <br>
> 2. Would Makefile parser be able to parse the Makefile hierarchy <br>
> that is five directory levels deep? </font><br>
<br>
<font size="4">Thanks,</font><br>
<br>
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Team Lead, IBM CDT and RDT<br>
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<br>Doug.<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 1:36 AM, Nayna Jain <span dir="ltr"><<a href="http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&post=26810467&i=0" target="_top" rel="nofollow">naynjain@...</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
I am into eclipse only since one year... And so curious to know that what<br>
type of talks are generally selected like it has to be some new idea, new<br>
plugin or even on technical details on eclipse architecture, how to use it<br>
framework are also given.. Something like "Application of design patterns<br>
in eclipse"<br>
<br>
Thanks & Regards,<br>
<br>
Nayna Jain<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
Doug Schaefer<br>
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PM submissions<br>
<div class="im"><br>
<br>
Please respond to<br>
"CDT General<br>
developers list."<br>
<cdt-dev@eclipse.<br>
org><br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
</div><div class="im">:) Unfortunately the Foundation is really trying to minimize risk so expect<br>
to see less freebies this year.<br>
<br>
The theory goes, if IBM really cares about building community, they'll send<br>
you. But the sad thing is that I don't think IBM does care, and never did<br>
care. But, we need a few beers for that discussion.<br>
<br>
Cheers,<br>
Doug.<br>
<br>
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Now if only one of the prizes was an all expenses paid trip to present<br>
the talk... :-P<br>
<br>
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Hey gang,<br>
<br>
Just a reminder, especially given the low submission numbers currently,<br>
to post your talk ideas for talks EclipseCon soon. There's only two more<br>
weeks left before we close. And if you do it real soon, you'll be<br>
eligible for prizes!<br>
<br>
<a href="http://www.eclipsecon.org/2010/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://www.eclipsecon.org/2010/</a><br>
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<br><br>How can I do it with a new Project Template plugin ?
<br><br>I know how to create simple project template by following this link:
<br><br><a href="http:// help.eclipse.org/galileo/index.jsp?topic=/org.eclipse.cdt.do c.isv/guide/cdt_build_system/whats_new/4.0/whats_new_CBS_40. html" target="_top" rel="nofollow">the_link</a><br><br>but how do I change the "build command" (or any other property) ?
<br><br>Where is the right manual to read to know how to do such things ?
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<br>type of talks are generally selected like it has to be some new idea, new
<br>plugin or even on technical details on eclipse architecture, how to use it
<br>framework are also given.. Something like "Application of design patterns
<br>in eclipse"
<br><br>Thanks & Regards,
<br><br>Nayna Jain
<br><br><br><br>
<br> Doug Schaefer
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<br> PM submissions
<br>
<br>
<br> Please respond to
<br> "CDT General
<br> developers list."
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<br> org>
<br>
<br>
<br><br><br><br><br>:) Unfortunately the Foundation is really trying to minimize risk so expect
<br>to see less freebies this year.
<br><br>The theory goes, if IBM really cares about building community, they'll send
<br>you. But the sad thing is that I don't think IBM does care, and never did
<br>care. But, we need a few beers for that discussion.
<br><br>Cheers,
<br>Doug.
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<p>Hi Team,<br>
<br>
I have pushed integration builds for emf-transaction, emf-validation and emf-query and updated the Helios build.<br>
<br>
I will promote them as M4 when we get the M4 build for OCL and verify everything is OK.<br>
<br>
Cheers...<br>
Anthony<br>
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Anthony Hunter <a href="http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&post=26803488&i=0" target="_top" rel="nofollow">anthonyh@...</a><br>
Software Development Manager<br>
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Phone: 613-270-4613<br>
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<font size="4">Hi Team,<br>
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Athena for emf-transaction, emf-validation and emf-query uses a separate releng project, so I can still run builds using the working modeling common builder.<br>
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I am going to get these builds going today, since a number of projects are blocked waiting for us.<br>
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Cheers...<br>
Anthony<br>
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Hi Team,<br>
<br>
I can help with these builds, but I am kind of stuck right now.<br>
<br>
We appear to have moved to Athena for emf-transaction, emf-validation and emf-query, I see successful builds at </font><a href="https://build.eclipse.org/hudson/" target="_top" rel="nofollow"><u><font size="5" color="#0000FF">https://build.eclipse.org/hudson/</font></u></a><font size="5"><br>
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Issues:<br>
<br>
1) These are N builds, how do we run an I (and S for M4) build?<br>
2) There is no build results page (index.html/index.php) as we need for </font><a href="http://www.eclipse.org/modeling/emf/downloads/?project=transaction" target="_top" rel="nofollow"><u><font size="5" color="#0000FF">http://www.eclipse.org/modeling/emf/downloads/?project=transaction</font></u></a><font size="5"><br>
3) I do not know how to promote a build from Athena to the downloads site.<br>
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Cheers...<br>
Anthony<br>
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Hi Team,<br>
<br>
Hopefully everyone is following along the emails being sent to </font><font size="5">cross-project-issues-dev</font><font size="6">. At minimum all the project leads should be on this list.<br>
<br>
The email below to GMF and several EMF components that have been removed from the Helios build.<br>
<br>
In addition, I do not see any builds that have reacted to the OCL 3.0 decisions made last Tuesday. It has been a week...<br>
<br>
<br>
Cheers...<br>
Anthony<br>
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Thanks Ed, for keeping us informed. <br>
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I've opened bug 297654</font><font size="7"> </font><u><font size="4" color="#0000FF"><br>
</font></u><a href="https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=297654" target="_top" rel="nofollow"><u><font size="6" color="#0000FF">https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=297654</font></u></a><font size="7"> </font><font size="6"><br>
just to keep track of what I had to remove: </font><tt><font size="7"><br>
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- <contributions href="emf-transaction.build#/"/><br>
- <contributions href="m2m-qvtoml.build#/"/><br>
- <contributions href="gmf.build#/"/><br>
- <contributions href="emft-ecoretools.build#/"/><br>
- <contributions href="stp.build#/"/> </font></tt><font size="6"><br>
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The build is still running now, so might still fail, but it got though the verification phase. <br>
I'll check on it over the weekend and see if we can't get an early 'staging' copy, of what we currently have. <br>
<br>
Thanks, </font><font size="7"><br>
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Hi David<br>
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I see that we're still having difficulties.<br>
<br>
The latest buckybuild log #249 suggests to me that the problem is that EMFT EcoreTools is using org.eclipse.emf.ocl which was deprecated 3 releases ago and has now been removed. The log indicates that they have been notified. I'll raise a Bugzilla on them; their project page list no mailing lists or active committers or project lead.<br>
<br>
org.eclipse.ocl 3.0.0.v200912091300 which is what we want to have in the build is listed as an option, so we just need to lose the references to anything else.<br>
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If I'm not mistaken this indicates that no action is required by MDT/OCL.<br>
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Regards<br>
<br>
Ed Willink<br>
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David M Williams wrote: </font><font size="6"><br>
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Yes, hiccough's all the time ... but doubt there's too many processes that milestone deadlines and PMCs could help with (Well, M6 is consider the end of version changes). The best way to address this is that suppliers and consumers communicate often, and if there's something controversial, to have meetings and discussions until its resolved. And in the worst case, do what Ed says. :) <br>
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But, I do agree with what I think you are saying, that each project should have one primary release for the Yearly release, and if they have clients that need some previous release, that would be handled "on the side" and not to try and have both in Helios. That might not always work, but to do otherwise takes a lot of skillful effort. <br>
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Ed, it appears this is a Modeling internal issue that needs to be resolved (quick). Let me know if there's anything I can do to help. Likewise, let me know if I should just remove the components so it will no longer block the build from completing. For example, if it can't be resolved by, say Thursday, then I think they should be removed until the issue it resolved. I'm not sure what else that would "drag along", but fear it would be a lot ... such as GMF?! We are getting down to the wire on M4, with the platform finishing this Friday, and after that time, I'm sure we'll have our hands full with details, and this high level problem should be resolved by then ... or, at least, some resolution that allows M4 to complete. Perhaps other things could be done after M4, if there were other things to do. <br>
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Since Ed Willink didn't take me up on the cross-project posting, I'll CC that list with this note, so everyone knows the issue is being worked, but no clear resolution yet. <br>
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Let us know what you decide. <br>
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Thanks, </font>
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<tr valign="top"><td width="6%"><font size="5" color="#5F5F5F">From:</font><font size="7"> </font></td><td width="94%"><font size="5">Ed Willink </font><a href="http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&post=26803488&i=14" target="_top" rel="nofollow">ed@...</a><font size="7"> </font></td></tr>
<tr valign="top"><td width="6%"><font size="5" color="#5F5F5F">To:</font><font size="7"> </font></td><td width="94%"><font size="5">David M Williams/Raleigh/IBM@IBMUS</font><font size="7"> </font></td></tr>
<tr valign="top"><td width="6%"><font size="5" color="#5F5F5F">Cc:</font><font size="7"> </font></td><td width="94%" valign="middle"><a href="http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&post=26803488&i=15" target="_top" rel="nofollow">aigdalov@...</a><font size="5">, "Willink, Ed" </font><a href="http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&post=26803488&i=16" target="_top" rel="nofollow">Ed.Willink@...</a><font size="5">, James Bruck </font><a href="http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&post=26803488&i=17" target="_top" rel="nofollow">jbruck@...</a><font size="5">, </font><a href="http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&post=26803488&i=18" target="_top" rel="nofollow">kenn.hussey@...</a><font size="7"> </font></td></tr>
<tr valign="top"><td width="6%"><font size="5" color="#5F5F5F">Date:</font><font size="7"> </font></td><td width="94%"><font size="5">12/08/2009 01:54 AM</font><font size="7"> </font></td></tr>
<tr valign="top"><td width="6%"><font size="5" color="#5F5F5F">Subject:</font><font size="7"> </font></td><td width="94%"><font size="5">Re: [Helios] Failed for build 2009-12-06_13-54-12</font></td></tr>
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Hi David<br>
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My recollection is that every year at about this time there is a major version number hiccough as projects catch up with each other. Is this any different? Perhaps Eclipse needs a policy that any major version increment after M1 needs PMC approval to get versions in place promptly. We should not be trying to guess where the problem is. Helios should 'know' that UML2 is 3.1.0, OCL is 3.0.0 and any build for any release train project that uses other than those should be identified, the offending reference can then be corrected promptly by the 'offender' without impacting everyone else.<br>
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Looking at the log file again, we don't need to guess: </font><tt><font size="7"><br>
[exec] Contains: Cannot satisfy dependency:<br>
[exec] Contains: From: all.contributed.content.feature.group 1.0.0<br>
[exec] Contains: To: org.eclipse.ocl.all.sdk.feature.group [1.4.0.v200908201900-787D8aA3QRRgQbeUhZhdeHk89tD-]</font></tt><font size="7"><br>
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The problem is that all.contributed.content.feature.group is using OCL 1.4.0M1b, even though OCL 1.4.0M2 is available. I think OCL 3.0.0M3 should fix the problem. Who is responsible for maintaining all.contributed.content.feature.group and what project does it belong to?<br>
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Regarding a cross-project posting, I'm afraid that I've done as much as I can at this point.<br>
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I'm not the project leader, I do not have releng access so cannot promote Sunday's stable OCL build that works with EMF's fixed I-build (MDT/OCL 3.0.0M3 is ok). I do not want to change project policy unilaterally.<br>
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While Ed Merks (</font><a href="https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=293605#c35" target="_top" rel="nofollow"><u><font size="7" color="#0000FF">https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=293605#c35</font></u></a><font size="7">) has come very close to instructing us to abandon 1.4.0 so that 3.0.0 is the only choice, and while I have never been enthusiastic about a 1.4.0 release, the rest of the OCL team was clearly in favour of a concurrent 1.4.0 release. Ed's comment was six days ago. Until at least one other member of the team indicates how they want to follow Ed's direction, I cannot reasonably issue cross-project statements that 1.4.0 is dead and 3.0.0 mandated, I can only indicate that as far as I'm concerned 1.4.0 is dead.<br>
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Regards<br>
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Ed<br>
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David M Williams wrote: </font><font size="6"><br>
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So, what's next? <br>
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I suggest you post to cross-project list for two reasons. 1. Keep everyone informed. 2. Someone might be able to help solve the problem. <br>
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Thanks, </font>
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<tr valign="top"><td width="6%"><font size="5" color="#5F5F5F">From:</font><font size="7"> </font></td><td width="94%"><font size="5">Ed Willink </font><a href="http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&post=26803488&i=19" target="_top" rel="nofollow">ed@...</a><font size="7"> </font></td></tr>
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<tr valign="top"><td width="6%"><font size="5" color="#5F5F5F">Cc:</font><font size="7"> </font></td><td width="94%" valign="middle"><font size="5">"Willink, Ed" </font><a href="http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&post=26803488&i=21" target="_top" rel="nofollow">Ed.Willink@...</a><font size="5">, </font><a href="http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&post=26803488&i=22" target="_top" rel="nofollow">aigdalov@...</a><font size="5">, David M Williams/Raleigh/IBM@IBMUS, </font><a href="http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&post=26803488&i=23" target="_top" rel="nofollow">kenn.hussey@...</a><font size="7"> </font></td></tr>
<tr valign="top"><td width="6%"><font size="5" color="#5F5F5F">Date:</font><font size="7"> </font></td><td width="94%"><font size="5">12/07/2009 03:53 PM</font><font size="7"> </font></td></tr>
<tr valign="top"><td width="6%"><font size="5" color="#5F5F5F">Subject:</font><font size="7"> </font></td><td width="94%"><font size="5">Re: [Helios] Failed for build 2009-12-06_13-54-12</font></td></tr>
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Hi James<br>
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I'm not sure what 'feature.group' is. I assume it's a p2-ism.<br>
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org.eclipse.ocl.uml-feature 3.0.0.qualifier has<br>
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<import plugin="org.eclipse.uml2.uml" version="3.0.0" match="compatible"/><br>
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which is [3.0.0,4.0.0). <br>
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I suspect that someone is trying to use OCL 1.3 or 1.4.<br>
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Regards<br>
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Ed<br>
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James Bruck wrote: </font><font size="6"><br>
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Hi Ed,</font><font size="7"> </font><tt><font size="6"><br>
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The error seems to indicate the following:</font></tt><font size="7"> </font><tt><font size="6"><br>
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Cannot satisfy dependency: org.eclipse.ocl.uml.feature.group 2.0.0.v200901271800-3--7w311A19272741 depends on: org.eclipse.uml2.uml [3.0.0,3.1.0)</font></tt><font size="7"> </font><font size="6"><br>
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I think the problem is in the feature itself, not a plugin.</font><font size="7"> </font><font size="6"><br>
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Regards,</font><font size="7"> </font><font size="6"><br>
- James.</font><font size="7"> </font>
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<tr valign="top"><td width="5%"><font size="5" color="#5F5F5F">From:</font><font size="7"> </font></td><td width="95%"><font size="5">"Willink, Ed" </font><a href="http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&post=26803488&i=24" target="_top" rel="nofollow">Ed.Willink@...</a><font size="7"> </font></td></tr>
<tr valign="top"><td width="5%"><font size="5" color="#5F5F5F">To:</font><font size="7"> </font></td><td width="95%"><font size="5">James Bruck/Ottawa/IBM@IBMCA, David Williams </font><a href="http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&post=26803488&i=25" target="_top" rel="nofollow">david_williams@...</a><font size="7"> </font></td></tr>
<tr valign="top"><td width="5%"><font size="5" color="#5F5F5F">Cc:</font><font size="7"> </font></td><td width="95%" valign="middle"><font size="5">"Willink, Ed" </font><a href="http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&post=26803488&i=26" target="_top" rel="nofollow">Ed.Willink@...</a><font size="5">, </font><a href="http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&post=26803488&i=27" target="_top" rel="nofollow">aigdalov@...</a><font size="5">, </font><a href="http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&post=26803488&i=28" target="_top" rel="nofollow">kenn.hussey@...</a><font size="5">, "Ed. Willink (</font><a href="http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&post=26803488&i=29" target="_top" rel="nofollow">ed@...</a><font size="5">)" </font><a href="http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&post=26803488&i=30" target="_top" rel="nofollow">ed@...</a><font size="7"> </font></td></tr>
<tr valign="top"><td width="5%"><font size="5" color="#5F5F5F">Date:</font><font size="7"> </font></td><td width="95%"><font size="5">07/12/2009 10:21 AM</font><font size="7"> </font></td></tr>
<tr valign="top"><td width="5%"><font size="5" color="#5F5F5F">Subject:</font><font size="7"> </font></td><td width="95%"><font size="5">RE: [Helios] Failed for build 2009-12-06_13-54-12</font></td></tr>
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Hi James</font><font size="7"> </font><font size="6" color="#0000FF" face="Arial"><br>
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I'm not 'at my desk' right now so cannot check which OCL plug-in has a </font><font size="6" face="Arial">[3.0.0, 3.1.0) rather than [3.0.0, 4.0.0).</font><font size="7"> </font><font size="6" face="Arial"><br>
Assuming there is such a plug-in, I will do a CVS change to force a rebuild at 15:10ish EST with the changed range.</font><font size="7"> </font><font size="6" face="Arial"><br>
I don't have full releng privileges, so Alex may be able to do one sooner.</font><font size="7"> </font><font size="6" face="Arial"><br>
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Do you actually need a build; surely it's just CVS you need updating? Which build of OCL are you using?</font><font size="7"> </font><font size="6" face="Arial"><br>
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Regards</font><font size="7"> </font><font size="6" face="Arial"><br>
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Ed Willink</font><font size="7"> </font><font size="5"><br>
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</font><hr width="100%" size="2" align="left"><b><font size="6" face="Tahoma">From:</font></b><font size="6" face="Tahoma"> James Bruck [</font><a href="http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&post=26803488&i=31" target="_top" rel="nofollow">jbruck@...</a><font size="6" face="Tahoma">] </font><b><font size="6" face="Tahoma"><br>
Sent:</font></b><font size="6" face="Tahoma"> 07 December 2009 15:09</font><b><font size="6" face="Tahoma"><br>
To:</font></b><font size="6" face="Tahoma"> David Williams</font><b><font size="6" face="Tahoma"><br>
Cc:</font></b><font size="6" face="Tahoma"> </font><a href="http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&post=26803488&i=32" target="_top" rel="nofollow">ed.willink@...</a><font size="6" face="Tahoma">; </font><a href="http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&post=26803488&i=33" target="_top" rel="nofollow">aigdalov@...</a><font size="6" face="Tahoma">; </font><a href="http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&post=26803488&i=34" target="_top" rel="nofollow">kenn.hussey@...</a><b><font size="6" face="Tahoma"><br>
Subject:</font></b><font size="6" face="Tahoma"> Re: [Helios] Failed for build 2009-12-06_13-54-12</font><font size="6"><br>
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Hi Dave,</font><font size="7"> </font><font size="6"><br>
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This has to do with UML2 moving up a minor version number for the first time in the release. I believe that OCL has a version dependency on [3.0.0, 3.1.0) (not inclusive) of UML but we are now at version 3.1.0.</font><font size="7"> </font><font size="6"><br>
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I believe the OCL component would need to respond by changing the version range check.</font><font size="7"> </font><font size="6"><br>
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I could temporarily back out those changes so Helios is fixed but I think the proper way to address this is for OCL to create another build with updated version range checking.</font><font size="7"> </font><font size="6"><br>
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Cheers,</font><font size="7"> </font><font size="6"><br>
- James.</font><font size="7"> </font>
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<tr valign="top"><td width="16%"><font size="5" color="#5F5F5F">From:</font><font size="7"> </font></td><td width="84%"><font size="5">David Williams </font><a href="http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&post=26803488&i=35" target="_top" rel="nofollow">david_williams@...</a><font size="7"> </font></td></tr>
<tr valign="top"><td width="16%"><font size="5" color="#5F5F5F">To:</font><font size="7"> </font></td><td width="84%"><font size="5">James Bruck/Ottawa/IBM@IBMCA</font><font size="7"> </font></td></tr>
<tr valign="top"><td width="16%"><font size="5" color="#5F5F5F">Cc:</font><font size="7"> </font></td><td width="84%" valign="middle"><font size="5">David Williams </font><a href="http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&post=26803488&i=36" target="_top" rel="nofollow">david_williams@...</a><font size="7"> </font></td></tr>
<tr valign="top"><td width="16%"><font size="5" color="#5F5F5F">Date:</font><font size="7"> </font></td><td width="84%"><font size="5">06/12/2009 03:54 PM</font><font size="7"> </font></td></tr>
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The following errors occured when building Helios:<br>
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Software being installed: all.contributed.content.feature.group 1.0.0<br>
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Only one of the following can be installed at once: [org.eclipse.uml2.uml 3.0.0.v20081007-1910, org.eclipse.uml2.uml 2.2.2.v200811051031, org.eclipse.uml2.uml 2.0.4.v200707131442, org.eclipse.uml2.uml 2.1.1.v200707311200, org.eclipse.uml2.uml 3.0.0.v200904241430, org.eclipse.uml2.uml 2.2.100.v200808270930, org.eclipse.uml2.uml 3.0.100.v200909221515, org.eclipse.uml2.uml 3.0.1.v200908281330, org.eclipse.uml2.uml 2.2.0.v200804231435, org.eclipse.uml2.uml 2.2.0.v200805051730, org.eclipse.uml2.uml 2.2.0.v200805141133, org.eclipse.uml2.uml 3.0.0.v200905151700, org.eclipse.uml2.uml 2.2.1.v200808251630, org.eclipse.uml2.uml 3.1.0.v200912041155, org.eclipse.uml2.uml 2.2.0.v200804291636, org.eclipse.uml2.uml 3.0.0.v20090407-1910, org.eclipse.uml2.uml 2.2.1.v200808191500, org.eclipse.uml2.uml 2.0.5.v200802262248]<br>
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Cannot satisfy dependency: all.contributed.content.feature.group 1.0.0 depends on: org.eclipse.ocl.all.sdk.feature.group [1.4.0.v200908201900-787D8aA3QRRgQbeUhZhdeHk89tD-]<br>
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Cannot satisfy dependency: all.contributed.content.feature.group 1.0.0 depends on: org.eclipse.uml2.sdk.feature.group [3.1.0.v200912041155]<br>
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Cannot satisfy dependency: org.eclipse.ocl.all.feature.group 1.4.0.v200908201900-548_7EBJlGqKCLkKdLaMfM9 depends on: org.eclipse.ocl.uml.feature.group [2.0.0.v200901271800-3--7w311A19272741]<br>
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Cannot satisfy dependency: org.eclipse.ocl.all.sdk.feature.group 1.4.0.v200908201900-787D8aA3QRRgQbeUhZhdeHk89tD- depends on: org.eclipse.ocl.all.feature.group [1.4.0.v200908201900-548_7EBJlGqKCLkKdLaMfM9]<br>
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Cannot satisfy dependency: org.eclipse.ocl.uml.feature.group 2.0.0.v200901271800-3--7w311A19272741 depends on: org.eclipse.uml2.uml [3.0.0,3.1.0)<br>
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Cannot satisfy dependency: org.eclipse.uml2.feature.group 3.1.0.v200912041155 depends on: org.eclipse.uml2.uml [3.1.0.v200912041155]<br>
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Cannot satisfy dependency: org.eclipse.uml2.sdk.feature.group 3.1.0.v200912041155 depends on: org.eclipse.uml2.feature.group [3.1.0.v200912041155]<br>
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<br></div><div>I think all IDEs have their quirks. Even VisualStudio is overwhelming to new users. But I have to concur that we need some usability improvements to Eclipse and the CDT and that the changes need to be driven top down. The Platform team claims to be as open as ever, let's use that and get the changes we need in there.</div>
<div><br></div><div>Doug.<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 3:55 PM, John Cortell <span dir="ltr"><<a href="http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&post=26802088&i=0" target="_top" rel="nofollow">rat042@...</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
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<font size="2" color="#0000FF">There's three main things I filter from the
Symbian engineering comments that are more generic (from my experience as
a Symbian developer and Carbide developer):<br>
</font> <br>
<font size="2" color="#0000FF">1) Eclipse start-up is too slow. This is
becuase we load all projects in the workspace - always. Qt Creator and
Visual Studio don't load projects on start-up, rather they ask what you
want to do before loading anything.</font></div></blockquote><br>
You can tell Eclipse not to load anything and instead prompt:<br><br>
Window > Preferences > General > Startup and
Shutdown > Prompt for workspace on startup<br><br>
But the granularity is at the workspace level. I.e., with nothing loaded,
you load a workspace, which may have 100 projects. If you want finer
granularity, you need to split up your project into multiple
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Yes. This is not exactly what QT Creator and Visual Studio provides, but
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<font size=2 color="#0000FF">There's three main things I filter from the
Symbian engineering comments that are more generic (from my experience as
a Symbian developer and Carbide developer):<br>
</font> <br>
<font size=2 color="#0000FF">1) Eclipse start-up is too slow. This is
becuase we load all projects in the workspace - always. Qt Creator and
Visual Studio don't load projects on start-up, rather they ask what you
want to do before loading anything.</font></blockquote><br>
You can tell Eclipse not to load anything and instead prompt:<br><br>
Window > Preferences > General > Startup and
Shutdown > Prompt for workspace on startup<br><br>
But the granularity is at the workspace level. I.e., with nothing loaded,
you load a workspace, which may have 100 projects. If you want finer
granularity, you need to split up your project into multiple
workspaces.<br><br>
Yes. This is not exactly what QT Creator and Visual Studio provides, but
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<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">Sebastiano, and others, </font>
<br>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">Thanks for this information and your
interest. </font>
<br>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">You'll see some of this coming through
the more formal channels a bit later, but at the Tools PMC meeting today,
we decided to proceed by scheduling a Termination Review for a few months
in the future (e.g. mid-February) which should give you plenty of time
to get a Continuation Review together, if that is indeed what you decide.
</font>
<br>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">We did this simply to make it clear
that the default action will be the Termination Review. If you, or others,
counter with a strong Continuation Review proposal then that would be great,
we'll cancel the Termination Review and have the Continuation Review instead.
</font>
<br>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">And, of course, even if the Project
is terminated, in February, then you, or anyone, can, in the future, submit
a new Project Creation Proposal to start a new Cobol Project (and,
I'm no lawyer, but I'm pretty sure once EPL, always EPL, so the code will
always be there for future use, if needed ... it would only be archived
as part of the termination process.). </font>
<br>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">So, give it some serious thought. We'd
love to see a Continuation Review. But, we would expect it to have substance.
And, we know you can't do it alone, in your spare time, so part of a strong
Continuation Review would be a substantial list of committers who have
time to commit to it. </font>
<br>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">I appreciate your interest, and look
forward to your contributions. </font>
<br>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">Thanks, </font>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif"> </font>
<br>
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<td><font size=1 face="sans-serif">12/10/2009 05:45 AM</font>
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<td><font size=1 face="sans-serif">Re: [cobol-dev] COBOL ide development</font>
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<br><font size=3>Thanks David, the links were informative.<br>
I'd like to tell you that I have in my pocket the names of ten developers
to contribute to the project but I don't. I see however a lot of interest
from potential users i.e. both young people studying COBOL who don't have
a mainframe account available and (usually less young) people who need
to understand/maintain/migrate existing host solutions and don't always
have the best commercial tools available.<br>
But something viable needs to be provided first, and it needs to be in
a high-visibility place in order to gain acceptance (that's why I'd rather
to project not be closed).<br>
On the plus side:</font>
<ul>
<li><font size=3>There is now a viable open-source back-end (OpenCOBOL)
which is coagulating interest including eclipse-based front-ends</font>
<li><font size=3>At least one open-source project for an eclipse-based
front-end (</font><a href=http://www.metrixware.com/cobos target="_top" rel="nofollow" /><font size=3 color=blue><u>http://www.metrixware.com/cobos/</u></font></a><font size=3>)</font>
<li><font size=3>Feature-set necessary to make the product useful is small
compared to other environments where cheap/free feature-set rich alternatives
are available</font>
<li><font size=3>I'm not just a developer, I have several years of experience
of project management, including projects with people spread over different
continents</font></ul><font size=3>On the minus side:</font>
<ul>
<li><font size=3>Currently no backing from commercial interests, which
means having to rely on voluntary work. My own contribution would fall
within this category (at least for the moment). This is obviously a major
stumbling block.</font></ul><font size=3>In the first few months I'd concentrate
on:</font>
<ul>
<li><font size=3>Examining the existing open-source solution(s) from companies
as well as individual efforts to see how much code can be back-ported and
how easily</font>
<li><font size=3>Contacting companies (especially small ones) currently
providing proprietary eclipse-based plug-ins to see if they are available
to pool some resources on an open-source basic-capability solution over
which they can provide extensions</font>
<li><font size=3>Doing some (written) analysis and prioritization of the
desired feature-set</font></ul><font size=3>At that point it will be possible
to estimate whether the available resources are compatible with a minimum
but still interesting feature-set for a first release by the end of 2010.
I don't think it would make sense to promise anything right now.<br>
<br>
In my opinion it's also important to get some endorsement (website links
and so on) from people like the maintainers of the compiler and so on but
one probably needs something to show first, so that might have to wait
a little.<br>
<br>
By the way personally I'm worried about the fact that most big commercial
suppliers (like Fujitsu and Microfocus) are targeting .NET. In fact with
free products like NETExpress Personal Edition (endorsed in the Murach
book!) available and no credible open source alternative more new developers
are being led to think of .NET as the modern serious-business platform
heir to the mainframe.<br>
<br>
I think it makes sense in general for the Eclipse ecosystem to welcome
and support an effort to add a viable COBOL plug-in.<br>
Regards,<br>
Sebastiano Bussi<br>
<br>
David M Williams ha scritto: </font>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif"><br>
It sounds like there is interest in "transferring" this project
to new leadership and committers? </font><font size=3><br>
</font><font size=2 face="sans-serif"><br>
Instead of the possible "Termination Review" that's been discussed,
another option is to have a "Continuation Review". </font><font size=3><br>
</font><font size=2 face="sans-serif"><br>
For the general topic, see the Eclipse Development Process, </font><font size=3 color=blue><u><br>
</u></font><a href=http://www.eclipse.org/projects/dev_process/development_process.php#6_3_5_Continuation_Review target="_top" rel="nofollow"><font size=2 color=blue face="sans-serif"><u>http://www.eclipse.org/projects/dev_process/development_process.php#6_3_5_Continuation_Review</u></font></a><font size=3>
<br>
</font><font size=2 face="sans-serif"><br>
For some examples, see </font><font size=3 color=blue><u><br>
</u></font><a href="http://www.eclipse.org/project-slides/Continuation%20Review%20for%20the%20Eclipse%20ATF%20Project.pdf" target="_top" rel="nofollow"><font size=2 color=blue face="sans-serif"><u>http://www.eclipse.org/project-slides/Continuation%20Review%20for%20the%20Eclipse%20ATF%20Project.pdf</u></font></a><font size=3>
</font><font size=2 face="sans-serif"><br>
and the more recent</font><font size=3> </font><font size=3 color=blue><u><br>
</u></font><a href="http://www.eclipse.org/project-slides/ATF_Continuation_Review-20090624.pdf" target="_top" rel="nofollow"><font size=2 color=blue face="sans-serif"><u>http://www.eclipse.org/project-slides/ATF_Continuation_Review-20090624.pdf</u></font></a><font size=3>
<br>
</font><font size=2 face="sans-serif"><br>
The most important thing for a continuation review is to show there is
sufficient interest and people to keep</font><font size=3> </font><font size=2 face="sans-serif"><br>
the project going towards a release. And, for that, the Continuation Review
documentation should lay out a plan for the project. </font><font size=3><br>
</font><font size=2 face="sans-serif"><br>
Does this look like something you'd want to pursue? If so, please give
me a 20 words or less summary (figuratively) <br>
and I'll discuss with the rest of the Tools PMC to be sure if they are
agreeable to having a Continuation Review ... say, around January 13 or
20? </font><font size=3><br>
</font><font size=2 face="sans-serif"><br>
Thanks, </font><font size=3><br>
<br>
<br>
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Hello,<br>
<br>
We think that we are going to terminate the project.<br>
We appreciate your proposal. What can I do for you to take over it?<br>
<br>
regards,<br>
tetsuya.<br>
<br>
> Hi,<br>
> <br>
> if this is the situation, I'd like to take over the project, I wouldn't
<br>
> like to see it shut down. Which steps are involved?<br>
> <br>
> Mike Milinkovich ha scritto:<br>
> >> -----Original Message-----<br>
> >> What's the current situation with the project?<br>
> >> <br>
> ><br>
> > At the moment, it is in the process of being closed down.<br>
> ><br>
> > <br>
> >> Who's coordinating it?<br>
> >> <br>
> ><br>
> > No one that I am aware of. <br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> > <br>
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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=582474518-15122009><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>There's three main things I filter from the Symbian
engineering comments that are more generic (from my experience as a Symbian
developer and Carbide developer):</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=582474518-15122009><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=582474518-15122009><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>1) Eclipse start-up is too slow. This is becuase we load
all projects in the workspace - always. Qt Creator and Visual Studio don't
load projects on start-up, rather they ask what you want to do before loading
anything.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=582474518-15122009><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=582474518-15122009><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>2) Context menus and commands are cluttered and a strain to
find anything. Basically, if you don't know hot keys for eclipse, you will suck
at the tool. I've found giving a cheat sheet to developers with top 10 or 15 hot
keys decreases frustration levels more than anything. I'm sure comamnd groups
could be organized/filtered. I can right click on a source file for a simple Qt
creator project and see 7 commands, no sub-menus. On a small project in Carbide
I get 46 options, many with sub-meuns (27 if you exclude Carbide-specific
commands). 11 commands are for searching/navigation alone. Some comamds don't
even make sense (Run/Debug As on a soruce file?)</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=582474518-15122009><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=582474518-15122009><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>3) Navigation/Search in Qt Creator is cleaner. There's one
search field where you can get to files, resources, methods, classes etc. With
ecipse/CDT you need ctrl+shift+r, ctlr+t, ctrl+shift+a, ctrl+shift+t, find in
files (and other confusing find features). (Basically same thing at 2)). I
don't know how well Qt search really scales, but the UI concept is very
clean and seems obvious.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=582474518-15122009><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=582474518-15122009><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>With proper focused training I don't think Carbide/Eclipse
is any more complex to use than Qt Creator, it's simply a matter of weeding
the complexity to find the fundamental IDE features from more advanced
stuff.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=582474518-15122009><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=582474518-15122009><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Thanks,</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=582474518-15122009><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Tim</FONT></SPAN></DIV><BR>
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<FONT face=Tahoma size=2><B>From:</B> <a href="http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&post=26800400&i=0" target="_top" rel="nofollow">cdt-dev-bounces@...</a>
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Schaefer<BR><B>Sent:</B> Monday, December 14, 2009 7:21 PM<BR><B>To:</B> CDT
General developers list.<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [cdt-dev] CDT and Qt
Creator<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
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<DIV>This feedback seems to deal mainly with issues in Carbide itself and how it
manages Symbian development, not CDT. I'm much more interested in a comparison
between Qt Creator and the Eclipse C/C++ IDE for host development for example.
That would be comparing apples with apples, and could bring up ideas that we can
fix in the CDT itself.</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2></FONT><BR></DIV>
<DIV>Doug.<BR>
<DIV><BR>
<DIV class=gmail_quote>On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 6:54 PM, Paul Beusterien <SPAN dir=ltr><<a href="http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&post=26800400&i=2" target="_top" rel="nofollow">paulb@...</a>></SPAN>
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<BLOCKQUOTE class=gmail_quote style="PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid">Doug>
Next question. How does Qt Creator do these things better? Since that's the
real topic of this thread.<BR><BR>Here is the answer from Hamish Willee, one
of the Symbian engineers experienced with both
tools<BR><BR>----------------------------------------------<BR><BR>
<DIV>I think Qt creator is a much simpler IDE to learn than carbide/eclipse.
This is pretty much down to the fact that Carbide is a visual mess -
everything is in there but you need to learn how to navigate it and to cope
with a high degree of screen clutter - most of which you won't use most of the
time. Unfortunately you can't just shut down all the views to make it simpler,
because if you do so you'll spend hours trying to work out how to bring them
up again when needed; Even when you understand the eclipse model for
views, perspectives etc, you can still get lost. </DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>In contrast, creator is much simpler and less cluttered, while still
managing to present all the things you need right "up front":</DIV>
<DIV>1. The sidebar gives you immediate access to the main views - code
edit view, debug, help, project settings, and buttons to run, debug
or build the current project. The icons for these are large, and their meaning
is intuitive.</DIV>
<DIV>2. The position of elements on the screen and menus is both logical
and fixed. I can find it when I want it without having to dip into the help
system.</DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV>3. Creator starts as a blank canvas. It offers a welcome screen that
offers me my recent projects. I prefer this to the carbide mechanism of
opening my recent projects and tabs. I know some people may wish for this, but
I'm always shutting down tabs that I didn't want open from old
projects.</DIV></DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>One reason Qt can do this because it doesn't try to give you a view on
Symbian. [ Qt Creator abstracts much more of Symbian away than
Carbide.]<BR></DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>I don't know if Eclipse can be "fixed" for this. I think its a job for a
professional UI designer. </DIV>
<DIV>One thing I would consider is having a single menu item for ALL Symbian
specific stuff - with links to all the other settings etc that are currently
scattered in the other menus - e.g. links to the symbian sections in the
global preferences settings, project settings, debug configurations,
etc.</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>I'd also discuss with the community whether we should do less on startup
- ie instead of starting everything that has already been loaded, return to a
minimalist view that lists just the current projects.</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>In summary, Carbide needs to be learned while Qt creator is
intuitive.</DIV><BR>
<DIV>----------------------------------------------</DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV class=h5><BR>
<DIV class=gmail_quote>On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 4:11 PM, Doug Schaefer <SPAN dir=ltr><<a href="http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&post=26800400&i=3" target="_top" rel="nofollow">cdtdoug@...</a>></SPAN> wrote:<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE class=gmail_quote style="PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: rgb(204,204,204) 1px solid">This
is great data, and we could do something about most of this, if we work
together as a community to address them. Up until now, we haven't really
been involved in solving these issues for Carbide.
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>Next question. How does Qt Creator do these things better? Since that's
the real topic of this thread.</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#888888>Doug</FONT>
<DIV>
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV><BR><BR>
<DIV class=gmail_quote>On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 6:44 PM, Adrian Taylor <SPAN dir=ltr><<a href="http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&post=26800400&i=4" target="_top" rel="nofollow">adrian@...</a>></SPAN> wrote:<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE class=gmail_quote style="PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: rgb(204,204,204) 1px solid">
<DIV>
<DIV>Speaking as a user of Carbide, rather than one of its developers,
here are some specifics from me: </DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>Project layout:</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>-- Symbian has very specific ideas about project filesystem layout,
as does Eclipse, and the two are fundamentally incompatible.
Specifically:</DIV>
<DIV><SPAN style="WHITE-SPACE: pre"></SPAN>-- Project files in
Symbian-land are stored deep in a subdirectory, whilst Eclipse insists
that .project and .cproject are at the outermost point which contains any
relevant source code or headers.</DIV>
<DIV><SPAN style="WHITE-SPACE: pre"></SPAN>-- Several Symbian projects may
have the same 'outermost point' and thus conflict in Eclipse-land.</DIV>
<DIV><SPAN style="WHITE-SPACE: pre"></SPAN>I know that the Carbide team
and you yourself Doug have been fighting the Eclipse establishment to
relax these rules, to little avail. I know you have hopes for EclipseFS.
But meanwhile, this is responsible for a majority of the complexity.</DIV>
<DIV>-- The nature of projects themselves are a problem. Why shouldn't you
just be able to work directly on Symbian project files? Why the need to
create an Eclipse project? The Carbide team has done a great job of hiding
it well using a slick import wizard, but it's still wrong.</DIV>
<DIV>-- And what's a workspace? Eclipse seems to want to copy, or at least
link, my code into its own directory. Why? All my code has a fixed
location in Symbian-land.</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>Builds:</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>The Carbide team have jumped through some big hoops to get the
Symbian build system to play nicely with CDT, and on the whole, it now
works well. But there are is still untidiness round the edges:</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>-- CDT can't cope properly with multi-line error messages emitted by
compilers. In C++ code full of templates, that leads to despair and
hopelessness.</DIV>
<DIV>-- Build configurations are important for Symbian. In CDT they are
hidden away. And, although Carbide could expose that feature more
obviously in the UI, it still might not be smooth in terms of the settings
which applied globally versus as part of a build configuration.</DIV>
<DIV>-- There's nothing Carbide or CDT can do about this, but Symbian
builds are <I>slow</I>. I think there's a perception they're slower in the
IDE (sometimes this is true, but either way, it's the perception that
counts). The whole CDT experience seems hugely less slick when builds
always take 5-20 minutes. It's not related to complexity, but it is
probably one reason why people are put off Carbide.</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>Indexer:</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>-- The indexer is *great*. But...</DIV>
<DIV>-- Often things go grey when you've made a mistake, but there's no
way to find out the error message until you spend 10 minutes building the
project with a compiler. It just seems weird to a user to have two
different things parsing the code. Why does the IDE know I've done
something wrong but it won't tell me what? Seems weird to an
end-user.</DIV>
<DIV>-- Likewise, you have to fiddle with two sets of macro definitions,
include paths etc. The Carbide team has done a good job of hiding this but
it's not transparent.</DIV>
<DIV>-- Unfortunately the indexer still isn't quite perfect. For example
the call hierarchy sometimes just stops. Which is a shame because when it
works, it's terrific. But the fact that you can't quite trust its results
makes everything seem complex.</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>Launches:</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>-- Launch configurations are useful. All the (fairly recent)
efforts to hide/automate them are also useful. But they still seem to
lurk as something sinister behind the scenes which users eventually will
have to understand. The need for them is not obvious in
Symbian-land.</DIV>
<DIV>-- The debug view is a pain. You seem to have to click in it before
you can use debug keys, or at least it's possible for it to lose focus.
Debugging should be a global operation, not stuck in some funny little
pane. This may be Carbide-specific; I don't know.</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>Eclipse runes:</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>-- "Hard to learn" - to be a confident user of Carbide, you have to
understand a perspective, a view, an editor, a plugin, a workspace, a
project, a build configuration, a launch configuration, and probably a bit
more. All of these are Eclipse terminology.</DIV>
<DIV>-- You just don't want to have to learn 10 more concepts when you're
already struggling with the Symbian weirdness!</DIV>
<DIV>-- I imagine most Carbide users need to install Subversive pretty
quickly. Then not only do they have to struggle with understanding
plugins, update sites, etc. but they also have to contend with the Eclipse
IP process, or specifically its implications meaning the key bits of
Subversive are squirreled away on someone else's website. Sigh. It's
enough to drive <I>me</I> mad and I must have installed it a dozen
times. Still, things are improving in that specific area now.</DIV>
<DIV>-- Eclipse keystrokes differ from the rest of the world's.</DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV>-- Carbide's greatest value is in the indexer features hidden behind
obscure keystrokes. Sadly I think most Carbide users don't get far enough
to learn F3, ctrl-o, ctrl-alt-h, ctrl-t, etc.</DIV></DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>I use Eclipse, Carbide and CDT all the time. For me, the power of the
indexer makes it all worthwhile. But I must admit, if I were to try to
create a simple IDE for Symbian beginners, I probably wouldn't start with
Eclipse!</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV><FONT color=#888888>
<DIV>Adrian</DIV></FONT>
<DIV>
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV><BR>
<DIV>
<DIV>On 11 Dec 2009, at 23:09, Doug Schaefer wrote:</DIV><BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE type="cite">Instead of talking in generalities, I'd prefer
to talk with specifics. Saying Carbide is hard to learn, what exactly
about it is it hard to learn? Is it things in the CDT or Eclipse
platform or things Carbide has added on top? Is it creating projects? Is
it setting up builds? Is it launching debug sessions? Is it creating
files? Is it too many choices? Would adding wizards in strategic
places make the CDT easier to learn?
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>Most of the complaints on usability with Eclipse I've heard are
really complaints from users who find IDEs complex in general. Is Qt
Creator really that less complex than the CDT? What about Qt
Creator makes it easier to learn. And why don't we invest in the CDT to
make it equivalent?</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>Doug.</DIV>
<DIV><BR>
<DIV class=gmail_quote>On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 4:47 PM, Pawel Piech
<SPAN dir=ltr><<a href="http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&post=26800400&i=5" target="_top" rel="nofollow">pawel.piech@...</a>></SPAN> wrote:<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE class=gmail_quote style="PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: rgb(204,204,204) 1px solid">
<DIV text="#000000" bgcolor="#ffffff">All we've done so far is rather
vendor-specific. What we would like to see in CDT is the ability
to isolate and turn off various features using capabilities: e.g.
build, static analysis, debuggers, etc. To accomplish this we
would likely need to look at dependencies between these various CDT
components and see if we can isolate them better. However, we
haven't invested any time in this yet.<BR>-Pawel<BR><BR><BR><BR>Paul
Beusterien wrote:
<BLOCKQUOTE type="cite">
<DIV>
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV>Hi Pawel,<BR><BR>Thanks for the response. Are there any
available artifacts from the stripped-down IDE investigation?
Any effort estimates?<BR><BR>Regards,<BR>Paul<BR><BR>
<DIV class=gmail_quote>On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 4:07 PM, Pawel Piech
<SPAN dir=ltr><<a href="http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&post=26800400&i=6" target="_top" rel="nofollow">pawel.piech@...</a>></SPAN> wrote:<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE class=gmail_quote style="PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: rgb(204,204,204) 1px solid">
<DIV text="#000000" bgcolor="#ffffff">Hi Paul,<BR>Complexity is a
common complaint about Eclipse-based tools (not especially limited
to C - development tools). I don't know of any efforts to
overhaul the UI, but I expect that there would be a lot of
interest out there for it. For Wind River's part, we are
investigating creating a stripped-down version of the IDE
specifically targeted at Debugging use cases, but I know we won't
be able to get far without support from the
community.<BR><BR>Cheers,<BR>Pawel<BR><BR>Paul Beusterien wrote:
<BLOCKQUOTE type="cite">
<DIV>
<DIV>Hi CDT community,<BR><BR>I'm responsible for the tools
strategy at the <A href="http://developer.symbian.org/" target=_blank rel="nofollow">Symbian Foundation</A>. Like the Eclipse
Foundation, Symbian depends on the contributions from open
source communities to drive its mobile device platform
technology forward.<BR><BR>I'm curious if you have any thoughts
about one of the challenges we're facing with
understanding/determining the direction for Symbian C++
development tools.<BR><BR>There are two open source communities
vying for the Symbian C++ developer - <A href="http://qt.nokia.com/products/developer-tools" target=_blank rel="nofollow">Qt Creator</A> and Carbide (based on CDT).<BR clear=all><BR>Carbide's investments have been primarily focused
on adding features to give more power to device creators. While
it has become very feature-full, it has also become very complex
and hard to learn, especially for developers that want to just
build simple mobile apps.<BR><BR>Qt Creator is a targeted C++
development environment with a big emphasis on usability.
For example, it has rigorous hurdles to add a button or menu
item. Now, it is rapidly adapting to improve its mobile
development capabilities.<BR><BR>Thus, we currently have a
fragmented C++ developer story at Symbian. <BR><BR>It is
unlikely that Qt Creator will ever support the rich set of
features that Carbide currently provides to the power
user.<BR><BR>Are there any initiatives will enable CDT based
IDEs to lower its learning curve and better support the needs of
a simple C++ application
developer?<BR><BR>Thanks,<BR>Paul<BR><BR>-- <BR>Paul
Beusterien<BR>Development Tools Manager<BR>Symbian
Foundation<BR>Foster City, California USA<BR>twitter:
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<br>
Athena for emf-transaction, emf-validation and emf-query uses a separate releng project, so I can still run builds using the working modeling common builder.<br>
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I am going to get these builds going today, since a number of projects are blocked waiting for us.<br>
<br>
Cheers...<br>
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<font size="2">[emf-dev] Builds for emf-transaction, emf-validation and emf-query</font></td></tr>
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<font size="4">Hi Team,<br>
<br>
I can help with these builds, but I am kind of stuck right now.<br>
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We appear to have moved to Athena for emf-transaction, emf-validation and emf-query, I see successful builds at </font><a href="https://build.eclipse.org/hudson/" target="_top" rel="nofollow"><u><font size="4" color="#0000FF">https://build.eclipse.org/hudson/</font></u></a><font size="4"><br>
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Issues:<br>
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1) These are N builds, how do we run an I (and S for M4) build?<br>
2) There is no build results page (index.html/index.php) as we need for </font><a href="http://www.eclipse.org/modeling/emf/downloads/?project=transaction" target="_top" rel="nofollow"><u><font size="4" color="#0000FF">http://www.eclipse.org/modeling/emf/downloads/?project=transaction</font></u></a><font size="4"><br>
3) I do not know how to promote a build from Athena to the downloads site.<br>
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Cheers...<br>
Anthony<br>
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Software Development Manager<br>
IBM Rational Software: Aurora / Modeling Tools <br>
Phone: 613-270-4613<br>
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From:</font></td><td width="76%"><img src="http://old.nabble.com/attachment/26797568/1/ecblank.gif" width="1" height="1"><br>
Anthony Hunter/Ottawa/IBM@IBMCA</td></tr>
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[emf-dev] Fw: [Helios] Failed for build 2009-12-06_13-54-12</td></tr>
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Hi Team,<br>
<br>
Hopefully everyone is following along the emails being sent to </font><font size="4">cross-project-issues-dev</font><font size="5">. At minimum all the project leads should be on this list.<br>
<br>
The email below to GMF and several EMF components that have been removed from the Helios build.<br>
<br>
In addition, I do not see any builds that have reacted to the OCL 3.0 decisions made last Tuesday. It has been a week...<br>
<br>
<br>
Cheers...<br>
Anthony<br>
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Software Development Manager<br>
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Phone: 613-270-4613</font><font size="4" color="#800080"><br>
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----- Forwarded by Anthony Hunter/Ottawa/IBM on 2009/12/15 10:08 AM -----</font>
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2009/12/12 03:40 AM</font></td></tr>
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Re: [cross-project-issues-dev] Re: [Helios] Failed for build 2009-12-06_13-54-12</font></td></tr>
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Thanks Ed, for keeping us informed. <br>
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I've opened bug 297654</font><font size="6"> </font><u><font size="4" color="#0000FF"><br>
</font></u><a href="https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=297654" target="_top" rel="nofollow"><u><font size="5" color="#0000FF">https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=297654</font></u></a><font size="6"> </font><font size="5"><br>
just to keep track of what I had to remove: </font><tt><font size="6"><br>
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- <contributions href="emf-transaction.build#/"/><br>
- <contributions href="m2m-qvtoml.build#/"/><br>
- <contributions href="gmf.build#/"/><br>
- <contributions href="emft-ecoretools.build#/"/><br>
- <contributions href="stp.build#/"/> </font></tt><font size="5"><br>
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The build is still running now, so might still fail, but it got though the verification phase. <br>
I'll check on it over the weekend and see if we can't get an early 'staging' copy, of what we currently have. <br>
<br>
Thanks, </font><font size="6"><br>
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Hi David<br>
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I see that we're still having difficulties.<br>
<br>
The latest buckybuild log #249 suggests to me that the problem is that EMFT EcoreTools is using org.eclipse.emf.ocl which was deprecated 3 releases ago and has now been removed. The log indicates that they have been notified. I'll raise a Bugzilla on them; their project page list no mailing lists or active committers or project lead.<br>
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org.eclipse.ocl 3.0.0.v200912091300 which is what we want to have in the build is listed as an option, so we just need to lose the references to anything else.<br>
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If I'm not mistaken this indicates that no action is required by MDT/OCL.<br>
<br>
Regards<br>
<br>
Ed Willink<br>
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David M Williams wrote: </font><font size="5"><br>
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Yes, hiccough's all the time ... but doubt there's too many processes that milestone deadlines and PMCs could help with (Well, M6 is consider the end of version changes). The best way to address this is that suppliers and consumers communicate often, and if there's something controversial, to have meetings and discussions until its resolved. And in the worst case, do what Ed says. :) <br>
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But, I do agree with what I think you are saying, that each project should have one primary release for the Yearly release, and if they have clients that need some previous release, that would be handled "on the side" and not to try and have both in Helios. That might not always work, but to do otherwise takes a lot of skillful effort. <br>
<br>
Ed, it appears this is a Modeling internal issue that needs to be resolved (quick). Let me know if there's anything I can do to help. Likewise, let me know if I should just remove the components so it will no longer block the build from completing. For example, if it can't be resolved by, say Thursday, then I think they should be removed until the issue it resolved. I'm not sure what else that would "drag along", but fear it would be a lot ... such as GMF?! We are getting down to the wire on M4, with the platform finishing this Friday, and after that time, I'm sure we'll have our hands full with details, and this high level problem should be resolved by then ... or, at least, some resolution that allows M4 to complete. Perhaps other things could be done after M4, if there were other things to do. <br>
<br>
Since Ed Willink didn't take me up on the cross-project posting, I'll CC that list with this note, so everyone knows the issue is being worked, but no clear resolution yet. <br>
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Let us know what you decide. <br>
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Thanks, </font><font size="6"><br>
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<tr valign="top"><td width="6%"><font size="4" color="#5F5F5F">Cc:</font><font size="6"> </font></td><td width="94%" valign="middle"><a href="http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&post=26797568&i=13" target="_top" rel="nofollow">aigdalov@...</a><font size="4">, "Willink, Ed" </font><a href="http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&post=26797568&i=14" target="_top" rel="nofollow">Ed.Willink@...</a><font size="4">, James Bruck </font><a href="http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&post=26797568&i=15" target="_top" rel="nofollow">jbruck@...</a><font size="4">, </font><a href="http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&post=26797568&i=16" target="_top" rel="nofollow">kenn.hussey@...</a><font size="6"> </font></td></tr>
<tr valign="top"><td width="6%"><font size="4" color="#5F5F5F">Date:</font><font size="6"> </font></td><td width="94%"><font size="4">12/08/2009 01:54 AM</font><font size="6"> </font></td></tr>
<tr valign="top"><td width="6%"><font size="4" color="#5F5F5F">Subject:</font><font size="6"> </font></td><td width="94%"><font size="4">Re: [Helios] Failed for build 2009-12-06_13-54-12</font></td></tr>
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Hi David<br>
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My recollection is that every year at about this time there is a major version number hiccough as projects catch up with each other. Is this any different? Perhaps Eclipse needs a policy that any major version increment after M1 needs PMC approval to get versions in place promptly. We should not be trying to guess where the problem is. Helios should 'know' that UML2 is 3.1.0, OCL is 3.0.0 and any build for any release train project that uses other than those should be identified, the offending reference can then be corrected promptly by the 'offender' without impacting everyone else.<br>
<br>
Looking at the log file again, we don't need to guess: </font><tt><font size="6"><br>
[exec] Contains: Cannot satisfy dependency:<br>
[exec] Contains: From: all.contributed.content.feature.group 1.0.0<br>
[exec] Contains: To: org.eclipse.ocl.all.sdk.feature.group [1.4.0.v200908201900-787D8aA3QRRgQbeUhZhdeHk89tD-]</font></tt><font size="6"><br>
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The problem is that all.contributed.content.feature.group is using OCL 1.4.0M1b, even though OCL 1.4.0M2 is available. I think OCL 3.0.0M3 should fix the problem. Who is responsible for maintaining all.contributed.content.feature.group and what project does it belong to?<br>
<br>
Regarding a cross-project posting, I'm afraid that I've done as much as I can at this point.<br>
<br>
I'm not the project leader, I do not have releng access so cannot promote Sunday's stable OCL build that works with EMF's fixed I-build (MDT/OCL 3.0.0M3 is ok). I do not want to change project policy unilaterally.<br>
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While Ed Merks (</font><a href="https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=293605#c35" target="_top" rel="nofollow"><u><font size="6" color="#0000FF">https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=293605#c35</font></u></a><font size="6">) has come very close to instructing us to abandon 1.4.0 so that 3.0.0 is the only choice, and while I have never been enthusiastic about a 1.4.0 release, the rest of the OCL team was clearly in favour of a concurrent 1.4.0 release. Ed's comment was six days ago. Until at least one other member of the team indicates how they want to follow Ed's direction, I cannot reasonably issue cross-project statements that 1.4.0 is dead and 3.0.0 mandated, I can only indicate that as far as I'm concerned 1.4.0 is dead.<br>
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Regards<br>
<br>
Ed<br>
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David M Williams wrote: </font><font size="5"><br>
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So, what's next? <br>
<br>
I suggest you post to cross-project list for two reasons. 1. Keep everyone informed. 2. Someone might be able to help solve the problem. <br>
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Thanks, </font>
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<tr valign="top"><td width="6%"><font size="4" color="#5F5F5F">Cc:</font><font size="6"> </font></td><td width="94%" valign="middle"><font size="4">"Willink, Ed" </font><a href="http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&post=26797568&i=19" target="_top" rel="nofollow">Ed.Willink@...</a><font size="4">, </font><a href="http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&post=26797568&i=20" target="_top" rel="nofollow">aigdalov@...</a><font size="4">, David M Williams/Raleigh/IBM@IBMUS, </font><a href="http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&post=26797568&i=21" target="_top" rel="nofollow">kenn.hussey@...</a><font size="6"> </font></td></tr>
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<tr valign="top"><td width="6%"><font size="4" color="#5F5F5F">Subject:</font><font size="6"> </font></td><td width="94%"><font size="4">Re: [Helios] Failed for build 2009-12-06_13-54-12</font></td></tr>
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Hi James<br>
<br>
I'm not sure what 'feature.group' is. I assume it's a p2-ism.<br>
<br>
org.eclipse.ocl.uml-feature 3.0.0.qualifier has<br>
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<import plugin="org.eclipse.uml2.uml" version="3.0.0" match="compatible"/><br>
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which is [3.0.0,4.0.0). <br>
<br>
I suspect that someone is trying to use OCL 1.3 or 1.4.<br>
<br>
Regards<br>
<br>
Ed<br>
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Hi Ed,</font><font size="6"> </font><tt><font size="5"><br>
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The error seems to indicate the following:</font></tt><font size="6"> </font><tt><font size="5"><br>
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Cannot satisfy dependency: org.eclipse.ocl.uml.feature.group 2.0.0.v200901271800-3--7w311A19272741 depends on: org.eclipse.uml2.uml [3.0.0,3.1.0)</font></tt><font size="6"> </font><font size="5"><br>
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I think the problem is in the feature itself, not a plugin.</font><font size="6"> </font><font size="5"><br>
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<tr valign="top"><td width="5%"><font size="4" color="#5F5F5F">Date:</font><font size="6"> </font></td><td width="95%"><font size="4">07/12/2009 10:21 AM</font><font size="6"> </font></td></tr>
<tr valign="top"><td width="5%"><font size="4" color="#5F5F5F">Subject:</font><font size="6"> </font></td><td width="95%"><font size="4">RE: [Helios] Failed for build 2009-12-06_13-54-12</font></td></tr>
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Hi James</font><font size="6"> </font><font size="5" color="#0000FF" face="Arial"><br>
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I'm not 'at my desk' right now so cannot check which OCL plug-in has a </font><font size="5" face="Arial">[3.0.0, 3.1.0) rather than [3.0.0, 4.0.0).</font><font size="6"> </font><font size="5" face="Arial"><br>
Assuming there is such a plug-in, I will do a CVS change to force a rebuild at 15:10ish EST with the changed range.</font><font size="6"> </font><font size="5" face="Arial"><br>
I don't have full releng privileges, so Alex may be able to do one sooner.</font><font size="6"> </font><font size="5" face="Arial"><br>
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Do you actually need a build; surely it's just CVS you need updating? Which build of OCL are you using?</font><font size="6"> </font><font size="5" face="Arial"><br>
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Ed Willink</font><font size="6"> </font><font size="5"><br>
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Sent:</font></b><font size="5" face="Tahoma"> 07 December 2009 15:09</font><b><font size="5" face="Tahoma"><br>
To:</font></b><font size="5" face="Tahoma"> David Williams</font><b><font size="5" face="Tahoma"><br>
Cc:</font></b><font size="5" face="Tahoma"> </font><a href="http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&post=26797568&i=30" target="_top" rel="nofollow">ed.willink@...</a><font size="5" face="Tahoma">; </font><a href="http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&post=26797568&i=31" target="_top" rel="nofollow">aigdalov@...</a><font size="5" face="Tahoma">; </font><a href="http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&post=26797568&i=32" target="_top" rel="nofollow">kenn.hussey@...</a><b><font size="5" face="Tahoma"><br>
Subject:</font></b><font size="5" face="Tahoma"> Re: [Helios] Failed for build 2009-12-06_13-54-12</font><font size="5"><br>
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Hi Dave,</font><font size="6"> </font><font size="5"><br>
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This has to do with UML2 moving up a minor version number for the first time in the release. I believe that OCL has a version dependency on [3.0.0, 3.1.0) (not inclusive) of UML but we are now at version 3.1.0.</font><font size="6"> </font><font size="5"><br>
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I believe the OCL component would need to respond by changing the version range check.</font><font size="6"> </font><font size="5"><br>
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I could temporarily back out those changes so Helios is fixed but I think the proper way to address this is for OCL to create another build with updated version range checking.</font><font size="6"> </font><font size="5"><br>
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<tr valign="top"><td width="16%"><font size="4" color="#5F5F5F">To:</font><font size="6"> </font></td><td width="84%"><font size="4">James Bruck/Ottawa/IBM@IBMCA</font><font size="6"> </font></td></tr>
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<tr valign="top"><td width="16%"><font size="4" color="#5F5F5F">Date:</font><font size="6"> </font></td><td width="84%"><font size="4">06/12/2009 03:54 PM</font><font size="6"> </font></td></tr>
<tr valign="top"><td width="16%"><font size="4" color="#5F5F5F">Subject:</font><font size="6"> </font></td><td width="84%"><font size="4">[Helios] Failed for build 2009-12-06_13-54-12</font></td></tr>
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The following errors occured when building Helios:<br>
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Software being installed: all.contributed.content.feature.group 1.0.0<br>
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Only one of the following can be installed at once: [org.eclipse.uml2.uml 3.0.0.v20081007-1910, org.eclipse.uml2.uml 2.2.2.v200811051031, org.eclipse.uml2.uml 2.0.4.v200707131442, org.eclipse.uml2.uml 2.1.1.v200707311200, org.eclipse.uml2.uml 3.0.0.v200904241430, org.eclipse.uml2.uml 2.2.100.v200808270930, org.eclipse.uml2.uml 3.0.100.v200909221515, org.eclipse.uml2.uml 3.0.1.v200908281330, org.eclipse.uml2.uml 2.2.0.v200804231435, org.eclipse.uml2.uml 2.2.0.v200805051730, org.eclipse.uml2.uml 2.2.0.v200805141133, org.eclipse.uml2.uml 3.0.0.v200905151700, org.eclipse.uml2.uml 2.2.1.v200808251630, org.eclipse.uml2.uml 3.1.0.v200912041155, org.eclipse.uml2.uml 2.2.0.v200804291636, org.eclipse.uml2.uml 3.0.0.v20090407-1910, org.eclipse.uml2.uml 2.2.1.v200808191500, org.eclipse.uml2.uml 2.0.5.v200802262248]<br>
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Cannot satisfy dependency: all.contributed.content.feature.group 1.0.0 depends on: org.eclipse.ocl.all.sdk.feature.group [1.4.0.v200908201900-787D8aA3QRRgQbeUhZhdeHk89tD-]<br>
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Cannot satisfy dependency: all.contributed.content.feature.group 1.0.0 depends on: org.eclipse.uml2.sdk.feature.group [3.1.0.v200912041155]<br>
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Cannot satisfy dependency: org.eclipse.ocl.all.feature.group 1.4.0.v200908201900-548_7EBJlGqKCLkKdLaMfM9 depends on: org.eclipse.ocl.uml.feature.group [2.0.0.v200901271800-3--7w311A19272741]<br>
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Cannot satisfy dependency: org.eclipse.ocl.all.sdk.feature.group 1.4.0.v200908201900-787D8aA3QRRgQbeUhZhdeHk89tD- depends on: org.eclipse.ocl.all.feature.group [1.4.0.v200908201900-548_7EBJlGqKCLkKdLaMfM9]<br>
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Cannot satisfy dependency: org.eclipse.ocl.uml.feature.group 2.0.0.v200901271800-3--7w311A19272741 depends on: org.eclipse.uml2.uml [3.0.0,3.1.0)<br>
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Cannot satisfy dependency: org.eclipse.uml2.feature.group 3.1.0.v200912041155 depends on: org.eclipse.uml2.uml [3.1.0.v200912041155]<br>
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Cannot satisfy dependency: org.eclipse.uml2.sdk.feature.group 3.1.0.v200912041155 depends on: org.eclipse.uml2.feature.group [3.1.0.v200912041155]<br>
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<br><a href="https://dev.eclipse.org/mailman/listinfo/emf-dev" target="_top" rel="nofollow">https://dev.eclipse.org/mailman/listinfo/emf-dev</a><br><p>From forum: <a href="http://old.nabble.com/Eclipse-EMF---Dev-f2206.html" embed="fixTarget[2206]" target="_top" >Eclipse EMF - Dev</a></p>tag:old.nabble.com,2006:post-26796552Builds for emf-transaction, emf-validation and emf-query2009-12-15T07:26:10Z2009-12-15T07:26:10ZAnthony Hunter-2<html><body>
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I can help with these builds, but I am kind of stuck right now.<br>
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We appear to have moved to Athena for emf-transaction, emf-validation and emf-query, I see successful builds at <a href="https://build.eclipse.org/hudson/" target="_top" rel="nofollow">https://build.eclipse.org/hudson/</a><br>
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Issues:<br>
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1) These are N builds, how do we run an I (and S for M4) build?<br>
2) There is no build results page (index.html/index.php) as we need for <a href="http://www.eclipse.org/modeling/emf/downloads/?project=transaction" target="_top" rel="nofollow">http://www.eclipse.org/modeling/emf/downloads/?project=transaction</a><br>
3) I do not know how to promote a build from Athena to the downloads site.<br>
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Cheers...<br>
Anthony<br>
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<font size="4">Hi Team,<br>
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Hopefully everyone is following along the emails being sent to </font>cross-project-issues-dev<font size="4">. At minimum all the project leads should be on this list.<br>
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The email below to GMF and several EMF components that have been removed from the Helios build.<br>
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In addition, I do not see any builds that have reacted to the OCL 3.0 decisions made last Tuesday. It has been a week...<br>
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Anthony<br>
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Thanks Ed, for keeping us informed. <br>
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I've opened bug 297654</font><font size="5"> </font><u><font size="4" color="#0000FF"><br>
</font></u><a href="https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=297654" target="_top" rel="nofollow"><u><font size="4" color="#0000FF">https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=297654</font></u></a><font size="5"> </font><font size="4"><br>
just to keep track of what I had to remove: </font><tt><font size="5"><br>
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- <contributions href="emf-transaction.build#/"/><br>
- <contributions href="m2m-qvtoml.build#/"/><br>
- <contributions href="gmf.build#/"/><br>
- <contributions href="emft-ecoretools.build#/"/><br>
- <contributions href="stp.build#/"/> </font></tt><font size="4"><br>
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The build is still running now, so might still fail, but it got though the verification phase. <br>
I'll check on it over the weekend and see if we can't get an early 'staging' copy, of what we currently have. <br>
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Thanks, </font><font size="5"><br>
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<tr valign="top"><td width="7%"><font color="#5F5F5F">To:</font><font size="5"> </font></td><td width="93%">David M Williams/Raleigh/IBM@IBMUS, <a href="http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&post=26796552&i=7" target="_top" rel="nofollow">jacques.lescot@...</a>, <a href="http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&post=26796552&i=8" target="_top" rel="nofollow">cross-project-issues-dev@...</a><font size="5"> </font></td></tr>
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Hi David<br>
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I see that we're still having difficulties.<br>
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The latest buckybuild log #249 suggests to me that the problem is that EMFT EcoreTools is using org.eclipse.emf.ocl which was deprecated 3 releases ago and has now been removed. The log indicates that they have been notified. I'll raise a Bugzilla on them; their project page list no mailing lists or active committers or project lead.<br>
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org.eclipse.ocl 3.0.0.v200912091300 which is what we want to have in the build is listed as an option, so we just need to lose the references to anything else.<br>
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If I'm not mistaken this indicates that no action is required by MDT/OCL.<br>
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Regards<br>
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Ed Willink<br>
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David M Williams wrote: </font><font size="4"><br>
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Yes, hiccough's all the time ... but doubt there's too many processes that milestone deadlines and PMCs could help with (Well, M6 is consider the end of version changes). The best way to address this is that suppliers and consumers communicate often, and if there's something controversial, to have meetings and discussions until its resolved. And in the worst case, do what Ed says. :) <br>
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But, I do agree with what I think you are saying, that each project should have one primary release for the Yearly release, and if they have clients that need some previous release, that would be handled "on the side" and not to try and have both in Helios. That might not always work, but to do otherwise takes a lot of skillful effort. <br>
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Ed, it appears this is a Modeling internal issue that needs to be resolved (quick). Let me know if there's anything I can do to help. Likewise, let me know if I should just remove the components so it will no longer block the build from completing. For example, if it can't be resolved by, say Thursday, then I think they should be removed until the issue it resolved. I'm not sure what else that would "drag along", but fear it would be a lot ... such as GMF?! We are getting down to the wire on M4, with the platform finishing this Friday, and after that time, I'm sure we'll have our hands full with details, and this high level problem should be resolved by then ... or, at least, some resolution that allows M4 to complete. Perhaps other things could be done after M4, if there were other things to do. <br>
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Since Ed Willink didn't take me up on the cross-project posting, I'll CC that list with this note, so everyone knows the issue is being worked, but no clear resolution yet. <br>
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Let us know what you decide. <br>
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<tr valign="top"><td width="6%"><font color="#5F5F5F">From:</font><font size="5"> </font></td><td width="94%">Ed Willink <a href="http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&post=26796552&i=10" target="_top" rel="nofollow">ed@...</a><font size="5"> </font></td></tr>
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<tr valign="top"><td width="6%"><font color="#5F5F5F">Cc:</font><font size="5"> </font></td><td width="94%" valign="middle"><a href="http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&post=26796552&i=11" target="_top" rel="nofollow">aigdalov@...</a>, "Willink, Ed" <a href="http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&post=26796552&i=12" target="_top" rel="nofollow">Ed.Willink@...</a>, James Bruck <a href="http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&post=26796552&i=13" target="_top" rel="nofollow">jbruck@...</a>, <a href="http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&post=26796552&i=14" target="_top" rel="nofollow">kenn.hussey@...</a><font size="5"> </font></td></tr>
<tr valign="top"><td width="6%"><font color="#5F5F5F">Date:</font><font size="5"> </font></td><td width="94%">12/08/2009 01:54 AM<font size="5"> </font></td></tr>
<tr valign="top"><td width="6%"><font color="#5F5F5F">Subject:</font><font size="5"> </font></td><td width="94%">Re: [Helios] Failed for build 2009-12-06_13-54-12</td></tr>
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Hi David<br>
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My recollection is that every year at about this time there is a major version number hiccough as projects catch up with each other. Is this any different? Perhaps Eclipse needs a policy that any major version increment after M1 needs PMC approval to get versions in place promptly. We should not be trying to guess where the problem is. Helios should 'know' that UML2 is 3.1.0, OCL is 3.0.0 and any build for any release train project that uses other than those should be identified, the offending reference can then be corrected promptly by the 'offender' without impacting everyone else.<br>
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Looking at the log file again, we don't need to guess: </font><tt><font size="5"><br>
[exec] Contains: Cannot satisfy dependency:<br>
[exec] Contains: From: all.contributed.content.feature.group 1.0.0<br>
[exec] Contains: To: org.eclipse.ocl.all.sdk.feature.group [1.4.0.v200908201900-787D8aA3QRRgQbeUhZhdeHk89tD-]</font></tt><font size="5"><br>
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The problem is that all.contributed.content.feature.group is using OCL 1.4.0M1b, even though OCL 1.4.0M2 is available. I think OCL 3.0.0M3 should fix the problem. Who is responsible for maintaining all.contributed.content.feature.group and what project does it belong to?<br>
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Regarding a cross-project posting, I'm afraid that I've done as much as I can at this point.<br>
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I'm not the project leader, I do not have releng access so cannot promote Sunday's stable OCL build that works with EMF's fixed I-build (MDT/OCL 3.0.0M3 is ok). I do not want to change project policy unilaterally.<br>
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While Ed Merks (</font><a href="https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=293605#c35" target="_top" rel="nofollow"><u><font size="5" color="#0000FF">https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=293605#c35</font></u></a><font size="5">) has come very close to instructing us to abandon 1.4.0 so that 3.0.0 is the only choice, and while I have never been enthusiastic about a 1.4.0 release, the rest of the OCL team was clearly in favour of a concurrent 1.4.0 release. Ed's comment was six days ago. Until at least one other member of the team indicates how they want to follow Ed's direction, I cannot reasonably issue cross-project statements that 1.4.0 is dead and 3.0.0 mandated, I can only indicate that as far as I'm concerned 1.4.0 is dead.<br>
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Regards<br>
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Ed<br>
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David M Williams wrote: </font><font size="4"><br>
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So, what's next? <br>
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I suggest you post to cross-project list for two reasons. 1. Keep everyone informed. 2. Someone might be able to help solve the problem. <br>
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Thanks, </font>
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<tr valign="top"><td width="6%"><font color="#5F5F5F">From:</font><font size="5"> </font></td><td width="94%">Ed Willink <a href="http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&post=26796552&i=15" target="_top" rel="nofollow">ed@...</a><font size="5"> </font></td></tr>
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<tr valign="top"><td width="6%"><font color="#5F5F5F">Cc:</font><font size="5"> </font></td><td width="94%" valign="middle">"Willink, Ed" <a href="http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&post=26796552&i=17" target="_top" rel="nofollow">Ed.Willink@...</a>, <a href="http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&post=26796552&i=18" target="_top" rel="nofollow">aigdalov@...</a>, David M Williams/Raleigh/IBM@IBMUS, <a href="http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&post=26796552&i=19" target="_top" rel="nofollow">kenn.hussey@...</a><font size="5"> </font></td></tr>
<tr valign="top"><td width="6%"><font color="#5F5F5F">Date:</font><font size="5"> </font></td><td width="94%">12/07/2009 03:53 PM<font size="5"> </font></td></tr>
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Hi James<br>
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I'm not sure what 'feature.group' is. I assume it's a p2-ism.<br>
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org.eclipse.ocl.uml-feature 3.0.0.qualifier has<br>
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<import plugin="org.eclipse.uml2.uml" version="3.0.0" match="compatible"/><br>
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which is [3.0.0,4.0.0). <br>
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I suspect that someone is trying to use OCL 1.3 or 1.4.<br>
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Regards<br>
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Ed<br>
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Hi Ed,</font><font size="5"> </font><tt><font size="4"><br>
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The error seems to indicate the following:</font></tt><font size="5"> </font><tt><font size="4"><br>
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Cannot satisfy dependency: org.eclipse.ocl.uml.feature.group 2.0.0.v200901271800-3--7w311A19272741 depends on: org.eclipse.uml2.uml [3.0.0,3.1.0)</font></tt><font size="5"> </font><font size="4"><br>
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I think the problem is in the feature itself, not a plugin.</font><font size="5"> </font><font size="4"><br>
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Regards,</font><font size="5"> </font><font size="4"><br>
- James.</font><font size="5"> </font>
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<tr valign="top"><td width="6%"><font color="#5F5F5F">From:</font><font size="5"> </font></td><td width="94%">"Willink, Ed" <a href="http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&post=26796552&i=20" target="_top" rel="nofollow">Ed.Willink@...</a><font size="5"> </font></td></tr>
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<tr valign="top"><td width="6%"><font color="#5F5F5F">Cc:</font><font size="5"> </font></td><td width="94%" valign="middle">"Willink, Ed" <a href="http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&post=26796552&i=22" target="_top" rel="nofollow">Ed.Willink@...</a>, <a href="http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&post=26796552&i=23" target="_top" rel="nofollow">aigdalov@...</a>, <a href="http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&post=26796552&i=24" target="_top" rel="nofollow">kenn.hussey@...</a>, "Ed. Willink (<a href="http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&post=26796552&i=25" target="_top" rel="nofollow">ed@...</a>)" <a href="http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&post=26796552&i=26" target="_top" rel="nofollow">ed@...</a><font size="5"> </font></td></tr>
<tr valign="top"><td width="6%"><font color="#5F5F5F">Date:</font><font size="5"> </font></td><td width="94%">07/12/2009 10:21 AM<font size="5"> </font></td></tr>
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Hi James</font><font size="5"> </font><font size="4" color="#0000FF" face="Arial"><br>
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I'm not 'at my desk' right now so cannot check which OCL plug-in has a </font><font size="4" face="Arial">[3.0.0, 3.1.0) rather than [3.0.0, 4.0.0).</font><font size="5"> </font><font size="4" face="Arial"><br>
Assuming there is such a plug-in, I will do a CVS change to force a rebuild at 15:10ish EST with the changed range.</font><font size="5"> </font><font size="4" face="Arial"><br>
I don't have full releng privileges, so Alex may be able to do one sooner.</font><font size="5"> </font><font size="4" face="Arial"><br>
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Do you actually need a build; surely it's just CVS you need updating? Which build of OCL are you using?</font><font size="5"> <br>
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</font><hr width="100%" size="2" align="left"><b><font size="4" face="Tahoma">From:</font></b><font size="4" face="Tahoma"> James Bruck [</font><a href="http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&post=26796552&i=27" target="_top" rel="nofollow">jbruck@...</a><font size="4" face="Tahoma">] </font><b><font size="4" face="Tahoma"><br>
Sent:</font></b><font size="4" face="Tahoma"> 07 December 2009 15:09</font><b><font size="4" face="Tahoma"><br>
To:</font></b><font size="4" face="Tahoma"> David Williams</font><b><font size="4" face="Tahoma"><br>
Cc:</font></b><font size="4" face="Tahoma"> </font><a href="http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&post=26796552&i=28" target="_top" rel="nofollow">ed.willink@...</a><font size="4" face="Tahoma">; </font><a href="http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&post=26796552&i=29" target="_top" rel="nofollow">aigdalov@...</a><font size="4" face="Tahoma">; </font><a href="http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&post=26796552&i=30" target="_top" rel="nofollow">kenn.hussey@...</a><b><font size="4" face="Tahoma"><br>
Subject:</font></b><font size="4" face="Tahoma"> Re: [Helios] Failed for build 2009-12-06_13-54-12</font><font size="4"><br>
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Hi Dave,</font><font size="5"> </font><font size="4"><br>
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This has to do with UML2 moving up a minor version number for the first time in the release. I believe that OCL has a version dependency on [3.0.0, 3.1.0) (not inclusive) of UML but we are now at version 3.1.0.</font><font size="5"> </font><font size="4"><br>
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I believe the OCL component would need to respond by changing the version range check.</font><font size="5"> </font><font size="4"><br>
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I could temporarily back out those changes so Helios is fixed but I think the proper way to address this is for OCL to create another build with updated version range checking.</font><font size="5"> </font><font size="4"><br>
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Cheers,</font><font size="5"> </font><font size="4"><br>
- James.</font><font size="5"> </font>
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<tr valign="top"><td width="16%"><font color="#5F5F5F">Date:</font><font size="5"> </font></td><td width="84%">06/12/2009 03:54 PM<font size="5"> </font></td></tr>
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The following errors occured when building Helios:<br>
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Software being installed: all.contributed.content.feature.group 1.0.0<br>
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Only one of the following can be installed at once: [org.eclipse.uml2.uml 3.0.0.v20081007-1910, org.eclipse.uml2.uml 2.2.2.v200811051031, org.eclipse.uml2.uml 2.0.4.v200707131442, org.eclipse.uml2.uml 2.1.1.v200707311200, org.eclipse.uml2.uml 3.0.0.v200904241430, org.eclipse.uml2.uml 2.2.100.v200808270930, org.eclipse.uml2.uml 3.0.100.v200909221515, org.eclipse.uml2.uml 3.0.1.v200908281330, org.eclipse.uml2.uml 2.2.0.v200804231435, org.eclipse.uml2.uml 2.2.0.v200805051730, org.eclipse.uml2.uml 2.2.0.v200805141133, org.eclipse.uml2.uml 3.0.0.v200905151700, org.eclipse.uml2.uml 2.2.1.v200808251630, org.eclipse.uml2.uml 3.1.0.v200912041155, org.eclipse.uml2.uml 2.2.0.v200804291636, org.eclipse.uml2.uml 3.0.0.v20090407-1910, org.eclipse.uml2.uml 2.2.1.v200808191500, org.eclipse.uml2.uml 2.0.5.v200802262248]<br>
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Cannot satisfy dependency: all.contributed.content.feature.group 1.0.0 depends on: org.eclipse.ocl.all.sdk.feature.group [1.4.0.v200908201900-787D8aA3QRRgQbeUhZhdeHk89tD-]<br>
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Cannot satisfy dependency: all.contributed.content.feature.group 1.0.0 depends on: org.eclipse.uml2.sdk.feature.group [3.1.0.v200912041155]<br>
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Cannot satisfy dependency: org.eclipse.ocl.all.feature.group 1.4.0.v200908201900-548_7EBJlGqKCLkKdLaMfM9 depends on: org.eclipse.ocl.uml.feature.group [2.0.0.v200901271800-3--7w311A19272741]<br>
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Cannot satisfy dependency: org.eclipse.ocl.all.sdk.feature.group 1.4.0.v200908201900-787D8aA3QRRgQbeUhZhdeHk89tD- depends on: org.eclipse.ocl.all.feature.group [1.4.0.v200908201900-548_7EBJlGqKCLkKdLaMfM9]<br>
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Cannot satisfy dependency: org.eclipse.ocl.uml.feature.group 2.0.0.v200901271800-3--7w311A19272741 depends on: org.eclipse.uml2.uml [3.0.0,3.1.0)<br>
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Cannot satisfy dependency: org.eclipse.uml2.feature.group 3.1.0.v200912041155 depends on: org.eclipse.uml2.uml [3.1.0.v200912041155]<br>
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Cannot satisfy dependency: org.eclipse.uml2.sdk.feature.group 3.1.0.v200912041155 depends on: org.eclipse.uml2.feature.group [3.1.0.v200912041155]<br>
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Check the log file for more information: </font></tt><a href="https://build.eclipse.org/hudson/view/Repository%20Aggregation/job/helios.runBuckyBuild/235/console" target="_top" rel="nofollow"><tt><u><font size="4" color="#0000FF">https://build.eclipse.org/hudson/view/Repository%20Aggregation/job/helios.runBuckyBuild/235/console</font></u></tt></a><font size="5"> </font>
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<p>Hi Team,<br>
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Hopefully everyone is following along the emails being sent to <font size="2">cross-project-issues-dev</font>. At minimum all the project leads should be on this list.<br>
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The email below to GMF and several EMF components that have been removed from the Helios build.<br>
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In addition, I do not see any builds that have reacted to the OCL 3.0 decisions made last Tuesday. It has been a week...<br>
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Cheers...<br>
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<font size="2" color="#800080">----- Forwarded by Anthony Hunter/Ottawa/IBM</font><font size="2" color="#800080"> on 2009/12/15 10:08 AM</font><font size="2" color="#800080"> -----</font><br>
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<font size="2">David M Williams <<a href="http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&post=26796351&i=1" target="_top" rel="nofollow">david_williams@...</a>></font></td></tr>
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<font size="2">Cross project issues <<a href="http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&post=26796351&i=2" target="_top" rel="nofollow">cross-project-issues-dev@...</a>></font></td></tr>
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<font size="2">Re: [cross-project-issues-dev] Re: [Helios] Failed for build 2009-12-06_13-54-12</font></td></tr>
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Thanks Ed, for keeping us informed. <font size="4"><br>
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I've opened bug 297654<font size="4"> </font><u><font size="4" color="#0000FF"><br>
</font></u><a href="https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=297654" target="_top" rel="nofollow"><u><font color="#0000FF">https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=297654</font></u></a><font size="4"> </font><br>
just to keep track of what I had to remove: <font size="4"><br>
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- <contributions href="emf-transaction.build#/"/><br>
- <contributions href="m2m-qvtoml.build#/"/><br>
- <contributions href="gmf.build#/"/><br>
- <contributions href="emft-ecoretools.build#/"/><br>
- <contributions href="stp.build#/"/> </font></tt> <font size="4"> <br>
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The build is still running now, so might still fail, but it got though the verification phase. <br>
I'll check on it over the weekend and see if we can't get an early 'staging' copy, of what we currently have. <font size="4"><br>
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Thanks, <font size="4"><br>
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<tr valign="top"><td width="8%"><font size="2" color="#5F5F5F">Date:</font><font size="4"> </font></td><td width="92%"><font size="2">12/12/2009 01:10 AM</font><font size="4"> </font></td></tr>
<tr valign="top"><td width="8%"><font size="2" color="#5F5F5F">Subject:</font><font size="4"> </font></td><td width="92%"><font size="2">[cross-project-issues-dev] Re: [Helios] Failed for build 2009-12-06_13-54-12</font><font size="4"> </font></td></tr>
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Hi David<br>
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I see that we're still having difficulties.<br>
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The latest buckybuild log #249 suggests to me that the problem is that EMFT EcoreTools is using org.eclipse.emf.ocl which was deprecated 3 releases ago and has now been removed. The log indicates that they have been notified. I'll raise a Bugzilla on them; their project page list no mailing lists or active committers or project lead.<br>
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org.eclipse.ocl 3.0.0.v200912091300 which is what we want to have in the build is listed as an option, so we just need to lose the references to anything else.<br>
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If I'm not mistaken this indicates that no action is required by MDT/OCL.<br>
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Regards<br>
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Ed Willink<br>
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David M Williams wrote: </font><br>
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Yes, hiccough's all the time ... but doubt there's too many processes that milestone deadlines and PMCs could help with (Well, M6 is consider the end of version changes). The best way to address this is that suppliers and consumers communicate often, and if there's something controversial, to have meetings and discussions until its resolved. And in the worst case, do what Ed says. :) <br>
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But, I do agree with what I think you are saying, that each project should have one primary release for the Yearly release, and if they have clients that need some previous release, that would be handled "on the side" and not to try and have both in Helios. That might not always work, but to do otherwise takes a lot of skillful effort. <br>
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Ed, it appears this is a Modeling internal issue that needs to be resolved (quick). Let me know if there's anything I can do to help. Likewise, let me know if I should just remove the components so it will no longer block the build from completing. For example, if it can't be resolved by, say Thursday, then I think they should be removed until the issue it resolved. I'm not sure what else that would "drag along", but fear it would be a lot ... such as GMF?! We are getting down to the wire on M4, with the platform finishing this Friday, and after that time, I'm sure we'll have our hands full with details, and this high level problem should be resolved by then ... or, at least, some resolution that allows M4 to complete. Perhaps other things could be done after M4, if there were other things to do. <br>
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Since Ed Willink didn't take me up on the cross-project posting, I'll CC that list with this note, so everyone knows the issue is being worked, but no clear resolution yet. <br>
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Let us know what you decide. <br>
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Thanks, <font size="4"><br>
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<tr valign="top"><td width="7%"><font size="2" color="#5F5F5F">From:</font><font size="4"> </font></td><td width="93%"><font size="2">Ed Willink </font><a href="http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&post=26796351&i=7" target="_top" rel="nofollow">ed@...</a><font size="4"> </font></td></tr>
<tr valign="top"><td width="7%"><font size="2" color="#5F5F5F">To:</font><font size="4"> </font></td><td width="93%"><font size="2">David M Williams/Raleigh/IBM@IBMUS</font><font size="4"> </font></td></tr>
<tr valign="top"><td width="7%"><font size="2" color="#5F5F5F">Cc:</font><font size="4"> </font></td><td width="93%" valign="middle"><a href="http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&post=26796351&i=8" target="_top" rel="nofollow">aigdalov@...</a><font size="2">, "Willink, Ed" </font><a href="http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&post=26796351&i=9" target="_top" rel="nofollow">Ed.Willink@...</a><font size="2">, James Bruck </font><a href="http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&post=26796351&i=10" target="_top" rel="nofollow">jbruck@...</a><font size="2">, </font><a href="http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&post=26796351&i=11" target="_top" rel="nofollow">kenn.hussey@...</a><font size="4"> </font></td></tr>
<tr valign="top"><td width="7%"><font size="2" color="#5F5F5F">Date:</font><font size="4"> </font></td><td width="93%"><font size="2">12/08/2009 01:54 AM</font><font size="4"> </font></td></tr>
<tr valign="top"><td width="7%"><font size="2" color="#5F5F5F">Subject:</font><font size="4"> </font></td><td width="93%"><font size="2">Re: [Helios] Failed for build 2009-12-06_13-54-12</font></td></tr>
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Hi David<br>
<br>
My recollection is that every year at about this time there is a major version number hiccough as projects catch up with each other. Is this any different? Perhaps Eclipse needs a policy that any major version increment after M1 needs PMC approval to get versions in place promptly. We should not be trying to guess where the problem is. Helios should 'know' that UML2 is 3.1.0, OCL is 3.0.0 and any build for any release train project that uses other than those should be identified, the offending reference can then be corrected promptly by the 'offender' without impacting everyone else.<br>
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Looking at the log file again, we don't need to guess: </font><tt><font size="4"><br>
[exec] Contains: Cannot satisfy dependency:<br>
[exec] Contains: From: all.contributed.content.feature.group 1.0.0<br>
[exec] Contains: To: org.eclipse.ocl.all.sdk.feature.group [1.4.0.v200908201900-787D8aA3QRRgQbeUhZhdeHk89tD-]</font></tt><font size="4"><br>
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The problem is that all.contributed.content.feature.group is using OCL 1.4.0M1b, even though OCL 1.4.0M2 is available. I think OCL 3.0.0M3 should fix the problem. Who is responsible for maintaining all.contributed.content.feature.group and what project does it belong to?<br>
<br>
Regarding a cross-project posting, I'm afraid that I've done as much as I can at this point.<br>
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I'm not the project leader, I do not have releng access so cannot promote Sunday's stable OCL build that works with EMF's fixed I-build (MDT/OCL 3.0.0M3 is ok). I do not want to change project policy unilaterally.<br>
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While Ed Merks (</font><a href="https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=293605#c35" target="_top" rel="nofollow"><u><font size="4" color="#0000FF">https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=293605#c35</font></u></a><font size="4">) has come very close to instructing us to abandon 1.4.0 so that 3.0.0 is the only choice, and while I have never been enthusiastic about a 1.4.0 release, the rest of the OCL team was clearly in favour of a concurrent 1.4.0 release. Ed's comment was six days ago. Until at least one other member of the team indicates how they want to follow Ed's direction, I cannot reasonably issue cross-project statements that 1.4.0 is dead and 3.0.0 mandated, I can only indicate that as far as I'm concerned 1.4.0 is dead.<br>
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Regards<br>
<br>
Ed<br>
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David M Williams wrote: </font><br>
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So, what's next? <br>
<br>
I suggest you post to cross-project list for two reasons. 1. Keep everyone informed. 2. Someone might be able to help solve the problem. <br>
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Thanks, <font size="4"><br>
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<tr valign="top"><td width="7%"><font size="2" color="#5F5F5F">Cc:</font><font size="4"> </font></td><td width="93%" valign="middle"><font size="2">"Willink, Ed" </font><a href="http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&post=26796351&i=14" target="_top" rel="nofollow">Ed.Willink@...</a><font size="2">, </font><a href="http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&post=26796351&i=15" target="_top" rel="nofollow">aigdalov@...</a><font size="2">, David M Williams/Raleigh/IBM@IBMUS, </font><a href="http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&post=26796351&i=16" target="_top" rel="nofollow">kenn.hussey@...</a><font size="4"> </font></td></tr>
<tr valign="top"><td width="7%"><font size="2" color="#5F5F5F">Date:</font><font size="4"> </font></td><td width="93%"><font size="2">12/07/2009 03:53 PM</font><font size="4"> </font></td></tr>
<tr valign="top"><td width="7%"><font size="2" color="#5F5F5F">Subject:</font><font size="4"> </font></td><td width="93%"><font size="2">Re: [Helios] Failed for build 2009-12-06_13-54-12</font></td></tr>
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Hi James<br>
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I'm not sure what 'feature.group' is. I assume it's a p2-ism.<br>
<br>
org.eclipse.ocl.uml-feature 3.0.0.qualifier has<br>
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<import plugin="org.eclipse.uml2.uml" version="3.0.0" match="compatible"/><br>
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which is [3.0.0,4.0.0). <br>
<br>
I suspect that someone is trying to use OCL 1.3 or 1.4.<br>
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Regards<br>
<br>
Ed<br>
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James Bruck wrote: </font><br>
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Hi Ed,<font size="4"> </font><tt><br>
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The error seems to indicate the following:</tt><font size="4"> </font><tt><br>
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Cannot satisfy dependency: org.eclipse.ocl.uml.feature.group 2.0.0.v200901271800-3--7w311A19272741 depends on: org.eclipse.uml2.uml [3.0.0,3.1.0)</tt><font size="4"> </font><br>
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I think the problem is in the feature itself, not a plugin.<font size="4"> </font><br>
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Regards,<font size="4"> </font><br>
- James.<font size="4"> </font>
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<tr valign="top"><td width="6%"><font size="2" color="#5F5F5F">Date:</font><font size="4"> </font></td><td width="94%"><font size="2">07/12/2009 10:21 AM</font><font size="4"> </font></td></tr>
<tr valign="top"><td width="6%"><font size="2" color="#5F5F5F">Subject:</font><font size="4"> </font></td><td width="94%"><font size="2">RE: [Helios] Failed for build 2009-12-06_13-54-12</font></td></tr>
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Hi James</font><font size="4"> </font><font color="#0000FF" face="Arial"><br>
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I'm not 'at my desk' right now so cannot check which OCL plug-in has a </font><font face="Arial">[3.0.0, 3.1.0) rather than [3.0.0, 4.0.0).</font><font size="4"> </font><font face="Arial"><br>
Assuming there is such a plug-in, I will do a CVS change to force a rebuild at 15:10ish EST with the changed range.</font><font size="4"> </font><font face="Arial"><br>
I don't have full releng privileges, so Alex may be able to do one sooner.</font><font size="4"> </font><font face="Arial"><br>
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Do you actually need a build; surely it's just CVS you need updating? Which build of OCL are you using?</font><font size="4"> <br>
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Sent:</font></b><font face="Tahoma"> 07 December 2009 15:09</font><b><font face="Tahoma"><br>
To:</font></b><font face="Tahoma"> David Williams</font><b><font face="Tahoma"><br>
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Subject:</font></b><font face="Tahoma"> Re: [Helios] Failed for build 2009-12-06_13-54-12</font><br>
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Hi Dave,<font size="4"> </font><br>
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This has to do with UML2 moving up a minor version number for the first time in the release. I believe that OCL has a version dependency on [3.0.0, 3.1.0) (not inclusive) of UML but we are now at version 3.1.0.<font size="4"> </font><br>
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I believe the OCL component would need to respond by changing the version range check.<font size="4"> </font><br>
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I could temporarily back out those changes so Helios is fixed but I think the proper way to address this is for OCL to create another build with updated version range checking.<font size="4"> </font><br>
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<tr valign="top"><td width="17%"><font size="2" color="#5F5F5F">Date:</font><font size="4"> </font></td><td width="83%"><font size="2">06/12/2009 03:54 PM</font><font size="4"> </font></td></tr>
<tr valign="top"><td width="17%"><font size="2" color="#5F5F5F">Subject:</font><font size="4"> </font></td><td width="83%"><font size="2">[Helios] Failed for build 2009-12-06_13-54-12</font></td></tr>
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The following errors occured when building Helios:<br>
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Software being installed: all.contributed.content.feature.group 1.0.0<br>
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Only one of the following can be installed at once: [org.eclipse.uml2.uml 3.0.0.v20081007-1910, org.eclipse.uml2.uml 2.2.2.v200811051031, org.eclipse.uml2.uml 2.0.4.v200707131442, org.eclipse.uml2.uml 2.1.1.v200707311200, org.eclipse.uml2.uml 3.0.0.v200904241430, org.eclipse.uml2.uml 2.2.100.v200808270930, org.eclipse.uml2.uml 3.0.100.v200909221515, org.eclipse.uml2.uml 3.0.1.v200908281330, org.eclipse.uml2.uml 2.2.0.v200804231435, org.eclipse.uml2.uml 2.2.0.v200805051730, org.eclipse.uml2.uml 2.2.0.v200805141133, org.eclipse.uml2.uml 3.0.0.v200905151700, org.eclipse.uml2.uml 2.2.1.v200808251630, org.eclipse.uml2.uml 3.1.0.v200912041155, org.eclipse.uml2.uml 2.2.0.v200804291636, org.eclipse.uml2.uml 3.0.0.v20090407-1910, org.eclipse.uml2.uml 2.2.1.v200808191500, org.eclipse.uml2.uml 2.0.5.v200802262248]<br>
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Cannot satisfy dependency: all.contributed.content.feature.group 1.0.0 depends on: org.eclipse.ocl.all.sdk.feature.group [1.4.0.v200908201900-787D8aA3QRRgQbeUhZhdeHk89tD-]<br>
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Cannot satisfy dependency: all.contributed.content.feature.group 1.0.0 depends on: org.eclipse.uml2.sdk.feature.group [3.1.0.v200912041155]<br>
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Cannot satisfy dependency: org.eclipse.ocl.all.feature.group 1.4.0.v200908201900-548_7EBJlGqKCLkKdLaMfM9 depends on: org.eclipse.ocl.uml.feature.group [2.0.0.v200901271800-3--7w311A19272741]<br>
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Cannot satisfy dependency: org.eclipse.ocl.all.sdk.feature.group 1.4.0.v200908201900-787D8aA3QRRgQbeUhZhdeHk89tD- depends on: org.eclipse.ocl.all.feature.group [1.4.0.v200908201900-548_7EBJlGqKCLkKdLaMfM9]<br>
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Cannot satisfy dependency: org.eclipse.ocl.uml.feature.group 2.0.0.v200901271800-3--7w311A19272741 depends on: org.eclipse.uml2.uml [3.0.0,3.1.0)<br>
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Cannot satisfy dependency: org.eclipse.uml2.feature.group 3.1.0.v200912041155 depends on: org.eclipse.uml2.uml [3.1.0.v200912041155]<br>
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Cannot satisfy dependency: org.eclipse.uml2.sdk.feature.group 3.1.0.v200912041155 depends on: org.eclipse.uml2.feature.group [3.1.0.v200912041155]<br>
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Hopefully everyone is following along the emails being sent to <font size="2">cross-project-issues-dev</font>. At minimum all the project leads should be on this list.<br>
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<font size="2" color="#800080">----- Forwarded by Anthony Hunter/Ottawa/IBM</font><font size="2" color="#800080"> on 2009/12/15 10:05 AM</font><font size="2" color="#800080"> -----</font><br>
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<font size="4">Please see the email below, in particular #2. If your project is planning to participate in the Helios release train, you must declare this by updating the metadata for your project in the Portal. Please see </font><a href="http://www.eclipse.org/helios/planning/EclipseSimultaneousRelease.php" target="_top" rel="nofollow"><u><font size="4" color="#0000FF">http://www.eclipse.org/helios/planning/EclipseSimultaneousRelease.php</font></u></a><font size="4"> for the requirements that your project must meet in order to be on the train.</font><br>
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<font size="4">Cheers,</font><br>
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Date: Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 12:45 PM<br>
Subject: [cross-project-issues-dev] Some reminders about Helios M4<br>
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1. its next Friday, 12/18!<font size="4"> <br>
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2. That's the deadline for expressing intent to participate in Helios, which is formally done by marking the simultaneousrelease flag in Eclipse Portal (there's a Helios field to edit to "1"). The list is currently (understandably) short, so I'll keep my eye on it, and send more nag notes if expected teams don't mark soon. <font size="4"><br>
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3. I suggest we not "announce" our individual Project milestones until the Helios M4 date, 12/18. Of course, we need to announce on mailing lists, etc., for our committers and adopters ... I just mean the general news items, forums, and similar, targeted to general end-users asking for early testing. That is what we have to do for the final release, and I suggest we get in the habit of working "simultaneously" now, even during milestones. Not a huge problem, but I do recall some issue in the past where there were complaints or questions, because someone tried to update part of their environment, but couldn't, since some other part had not release an M4 version yet. Ends up being frustrating and making us appear unorganized. (And we all know that's not true :) <font size="4"><br>
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Hi, Nayna,<BR>
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You should take an integration build from the 6.0.2 stream. The problem that you see in the 6.0.1 release was fixed mere days after the release was published.<BR>
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The change in 6.0.1 was attempting to resolve a problem in which valuable early output from gdb was being discarded, but unfortunately it performs slowly on Linux as you have observed. The 6.0.2 stream has a different fix based on the original design.<BR>
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HTH,<BR>
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Christian<BR>
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On Tue, 2009-12-15 at 12:33 +0530, Nayna Jain wrote:
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Hi all,
One day before I have sent one mail regarding I found two implementation
of getGDBProcess() method in MIProcessAdapter class.
After doing lot of debugging I found that org.eclipse.cdt.debug.mi.core
plugin of CDT 6.0.1 has MIProcessAdapter class in which getGDBProcess()
method is implemented in a non-threaded way and therefore it is very slow.
However the same file ie.. MIProcessAdapter has threaded implementation for
getGDBProcess() method in CDT 6 release.
Is there any specific reason for this change in implementation in CDT 6.0.1
? Because it has made the launching very slow.
Thanks & Regards,
Nayna Jain
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<br><br>my current area of interest is in formal languages. The support I could
<br>give would be QA for formal aspects of language(s) and interfaces and
<br>maybe guide you by the draft idea
<br><br><a href="http://cococo.de/products/documents/Columbo%20-%20Achitecture%20Draft.pdf" target="_top" rel="nofollow">http://cococo.de/products/documents/Columbo%20-%20Achitecture%20Draft.pdf</a> ,
<br><br>which is more than programming and includes data manipulation too. We
<br>could use a l e a n E c l i p s e and might derive it from the
<br>sources given by Wally.
<br><br>Go ahead with setting goals and making plans. Also sponsors are needed.
<br><br>Regards,
<br>Jens
<br><br>Sebastiano Bussi schrieb:
<div class='shrinkable-quote'><br>> Would you kindly illustrate in further detail what your personal goals
<br>> are?
<br>> I can understand that there was no agreement on goals, given the wide
<br>> variety of different reasons for contributing, as well as (potential)
<br>> user use cases.
<br>> It is important to me to share the initiative with others, as the
<br>> workload would be excessive for a single contributor.
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<br><br>One day before I have sent one mail regarding I found two implementation
<br>of getGDBProcess() method in MIProcessAdapter class.
<br><br>After doing lot of debugging I found that org.eclipse.cdt.debug.mi.core
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<br>method is implemented in a non-threaded way and therefore it is very slow.
<br><br>However the same file ie.. MIProcessAdapter has threaded implementation for
<br>getGDBProcess() method in CDT 6 release.
<br><br>Is there any specific reason for this change in implementation in CDT 6.0.1
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A user can customize any perspective and save it as a custom one. Any of
the standard perspectives can be restored simply and quickly. I'm not
sure how someone would spend hours trying to bring up a view they closed
earlier. The <i>Others</i> view dialog has a filter that lets you quickly
find any view without digging through a tree.<br><br>
When you have a simple application with a limited focus and a limited
number of views, it's easy to expose access to its functionality in a
streamlined way. When you have an IDE that you can use to house all your
development needs (C/C++, Java, web, python, perl, source control, test,
etc), making all that content available simultaneously becomes a
significant usability challenge. I think the eclipse developers have done
a great job on that front.<br><br>
You can't reasonably compare Windows' <i>Paint</i> program to
<i>Photoshop</i>, or <i>Notepad</i> to <i>Adobe Acrobat</i>. One gives
you basic capabilities with hardly zero learning curve. The other gives
you an arsenal of tools but comes with a very steep learning curve. Which
tool you use depends on what you need to accomplish and your tolerance
for learning things that are difficult. <br><br>
John<br><br>
At 05:54 PM 12/14/2009, Paul Beusterien wrote:<br>
<blockquote type=cite class=cite cite="">Doug> Next question. How does
Qt Creator do these things better? Since that's the real topic of this
thread.<br><br>
Here is the answer from Hamish Willee, one of the Symbian engineers
experienced with both tools<br><br>
----------------------------------------------<br><br>
I think Qt creator is a much simpler IDE to learn than carbide/eclipse.
This is pretty much down to the fact that Carbide is a visual mess -
everything is in there but you need to learn how to navigate it and to
cope with a high degree of screen clutter - most of which you won't use
most of the time. Unfortunately you can't just shut down all the views to
make it simpler, because if you do so you'll spend hours trying to work
out how to bring them up again when needed; Even when you understand the
eclipse model for views, perspectives etc, you can still get lost. <br>
<br>
In contrast, creator is much simpler and less cluttered, while still
managing to present all the things you need right "up
front":<br>
1. The sidebar gives you immediate access to the main views - code
edit view, debug, help, project settings, and buttons to run, debug or
build the current project. The icons for these are large, and their
meaning is intuitive.<br>
2. The position of elements on the screen and menus is both logical and
fixed. I can find it when I want it without having to dip into the help
system.<br>
3. Creator starts as a blank canvas. It offers a welcome screen that
offers me my recent projects. I prefer this to the carbide mechanism of
opening my recent projects and tabs. I know some people may wish for
this, but I'm always shutting down tabs that I didn't want open from old
projects.<br><br>
One reason Qt can do this because it doesn't try to give you a view on
Symbian. [ Qt Creator abstracts much more of Symbian away than
Carbide.]<br><br>
I don't know if Eclipse can be "fixed" for this. I think its a
job for a professional UI designer. <br>
One thing I would consider is having a single menu item for ALL Symbian
specific stuff - with links to all the other settings etc that are
currently scattered in the other menus - e.g. links to the symbian
sections in the global preferences settings, project settings, debug
configurations, etc.<br><br>
I'd also discuss with the community whether we should do less on startup
- ie instead of starting everything that has already been loaded, return
to a minimalist view that lists just the current projects.<br><br>
In summary, Carbide needs to be learned while Qt creator is
intuitive.<br><br>
----------------------------------------------<br><br>
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<dd>This is great data, and we could do something about most of this, if
we work together as a community to address them. Up until now, we haven't
really been involved in solving these issues for Carbide.<br><br>
<dd>Next question. How does Qt Creator do these things better? Since
that's the real topic of this thread.<br><br>
<dd><font color="#888888">Doug</font><br><br>
<br>
<dd>On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 6:44 PM, Adrian Taylor
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<dl>
<dd>Speaking as a user of Carbide, rather than one of its developers,
here are some specifics from me: <br><br>
<dd>Project layout:<br><br>
<dd>-- Symbian has very specific ideas about project filesystem layout,
as does Eclipse, and the two are fundamentally incompatible.
Specifically:<br>
<dd>-- Project files in Symbian-land are stored deep in a subdirectory,
whilst Eclipse insists that .project and .cproject are at the outermost
point which contains any relevant source code or headers.<br>
<dd>-- Several Symbian projects may have the same 'outermost point' and
thus conflict in Eclipse-land.<br>
<dd>I know that the Carbide team and you yourself Doug have been fighting
the Eclipse establishment to relax these rules, to little avail. I know
you have hopes for EclipseFS. But meanwhile, this is responsible for a
majority of the complexity.<br>
<dd>-- The nature of projects themselves are a problem. Why shouldn't you
just be able to work directly on Symbian project files? Why the need to
create an Eclipse project? The Carbide team has done a great job of
hiding it well using a slick import wizard, but it's still wrong.<br>
<dd>-- And what's a workspace? Eclipse seems to want to copy, or at least
link, my code into its own directory. Why? All my code has a fixed
location in Symbian-land.<br><br>
<dd>Builds:<br><br>
<dd>The Carbide team have jumped through some big hoops to get the
Symbian build system to play nicely with CDT, and on the whole, it now
works well. But there are is still untidiness round the edges:<br><br>
<dd>-- CDT can't cope properly with multi-line error messages emitted by
compilers. In C++ code full of templates, that leads to despair and
hopelessness.<br>
<dd>-- Build configurations are important for Symbian. In CDT they are
hidden away. And, although Carbide could expose that feature more
obviously in the UI, it still might not be smooth in terms of the
settings which applied globally versus as part of a build
configuration.<br>
<dd>-- There's nothing Carbide or CDT can do about this, but Symbian
builds are slow</i>. I think there's a perception they're slower in the
IDE (sometimes this is true, but either way, it's the perception that
counts). The whole CDT experience seems hugely less slick when builds
always take 5-20 minutes. It's not related to complexity, but it is
probably one reason why people are put off Carbide.<br><br>
<dd>Indexer:<br><br>
<dd>-- The indexer is *great*. But...<br>
<dd>-- Often things go grey when you've made a mistake, but there's no
way to find out the error message until you spend 10 minutes building the
project with a compiler. It just seems weird to a user to have two
different things parsing the code. Why does the IDE know I've done
something wrong but it won't tell me what? Seems weird to an
end-user.<br>
<dd>-- Likewise, you have to fiddle with two sets of macro definitions,
include paths etc. The Carbide team has done a good job of hiding this
but it's not transparent.<br>
<dd>-- Unfortunately the indexer still isn't quite perfect. For example
the call hierarchy sometimes just stops. Which is a shame because when it
works, it's terrific. But the fact that you can't quite trust its results
makes everything seem complex.<br><br>
<dd>Launches:<br><br>
<dd>-- Launch configurations are useful. All the (fairly recent) efforts
to hide/automate them are also useful. But they still seem to lurk as
something sinister behind the scenes which users eventually will have to
understand. The need for them is not obvious in Symbian-land.<br>
<dd>-- The debug view is a pain. You seem to have to click in it before
you can use debug keys, or at least it's possible for it to lose focus.
Debugging should be a global operation, not stuck in some funny little
pane. This may be Carbide-specific; I don't know.<br><br>
<dd>Eclipse runes:<br><br>
<dd>-- "Hard to learn" - to be a confident user of Carbide, you
have to understand a perspective, a view, an editor, a plugin, a
workspace, a project, a build configuration, a launch configuration, and
probably a bit more. All of these are Eclipse terminology.<br>
<dd>-- You just don't want to have to learn 10 more concepts when you're
already struggling with the Symbian weirdness!<br>
<dd>-- I imagine most Carbide users need to install Subversive pretty
quickly. Then not only do they have to struggle with understanding
plugins, update sites, etc. but they also have to contend with the
Eclipse IP process, or specifically its implications meaning the key bits
of Subversive are squirreled away on someone else's website. Sigh. It's
enough to drive me</i> mad and I must have installed it a dozen times.
Still, things are improving in that specific area now.<br>
<dd>-- Eclipse keystrokes differ from the rest of the world's.<br>
<dd>-- Carbide's greatest value is in the indexer features hidden behind
obscure keystrokes. Sadly I think most Carbide users don't get far enough
to learn F3, ctrl-o, ctrl-alt-h, ctrl-t, etc.<br><br>
<dd>I use Eclipse, Carbide and CDT all the time. For me, the power of the
indexer makes it all worthwhile. But I must admit, if I were to try to
create a simple IDE for Symbian beginners, I probably wouldn't start with
Eclipse!<br><br>
<dd><font color="#888888">Adrian<br>
</font><br><br>
<dd>On 11 Dec 2009, at 23:09, Doug Schaefer wrote:<br><br>
<blockquote type=cite class=cite cite="">
<dd>Instead of talking in generalities, I'd prefer to talk with
specifics. Saying Carbide is hard to learn, what exactly about it is it
hard to learn? Is it things in the CDT or Eclipse platform or things
Carbide has added on top? Is it creating projects? Is it setting up
builds? Is it launching debug sessions? Is it creating files? Is it too
many choices? Would adding wizards in strategic places make the CDT
easier to learn?<br><br>
<dd>Most of the complaints on usability with Eclipse I've heard are
really complaints from users who find IDEs complex in general. Is Qt
Creator really that less complex than the CDT? What about Qt Creator
makes it easier to learn. And why don't we invest in the CDT to make it
equivalent?<br><br>
<dd>Doug.<br><br>
<dd>On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 4:47 PM, Pawel Piech
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<dd>All we've done so far is rather vendor-specific. What we would
like to see in CDT is the ability to isolate and turn off various
features using capabilities: e.g. build, static analysis, debuggers,
etc. To accomplish this we would likely need to look at
dependencies between these various CDT components and see if we can
isolate them better. However, we haven't invested any time in this
yet.<br>
<dd>-Pawel<br><br>
<br><br>
<dd>Paul Beusterien wrote: <br>
<blockquote type=cite class=cite cite="">
<dd>Hi Pawel,<br><br>
<dd>Thanks for the response. Are there any available artifacts from
the stripped-down IDE investigation? Any effort estimates?<br><br>
<dd>Regards,<br>
<dd>Paul<br><br>
<dd>On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 4:07 PM, Pawel Piech
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<dd>Hi Paul,<br>
<dd>Complexity is a common complaint about Eclipse-based tools (not
especially limited to C - development tools). I don't know of any
efforts to overhaul the UI, but I expect that there would be a lot of
interest out there for it. For Wind River's part, we are
investigating creating a stripped-down version of the IDE specifically
targeted at Debugging use cases, but I know we won't be able to get far
without support from the community.<br><br>
<dd>Cheers,<br>
<dd>Pawel<br><br>
<dd>Paul Beusterien wrote: <br>
<blockquote type=cite class=cite cite="">
<dd>Hi CDT community,<br><br>
<dd>I'm responsible for the tools strategy at the
<a href="http://developer.symbian.org/" target="_top" rel="nofollow">Symbian Foundation</a>.
Like the Eclipse Foundation, Symbian depends on the contributions from
open source communities to drive its mobile device platform technology
forward.<br><br>
<dd>I'm curious if you have any thoughts about one of the challenges
we're facing with understanding/determining the direction for Symbian C++
development tools.<br><br>
<dd>There are two open source communities vying for the Symbian C++
developer - <a href="http://qt.nokia.com/products/developer-tools" target="_top" rel="nofollow">Qt
Creator</a> and Carbide (based on CDT).<br><br>
<dd>Carbide's investments have been primarily focused on adding features
to give more power to device creators. While it has become very
feature-full, it has also become very complex and hard to learn,
especially for developers that want to just build simple mobile
apps.<br><br>
<dd>Qt Creator is a targeted C++ development environment with a big
emphasis on usability. For example, it has rigorous hurdles to add
a button or menu item. Now, it is rapidly adapting to improve its mobile
development capabilities.<br><br>
<dd>Thus, we currently have a fragmented C++ developer story at
Symbian. <br><br>
<dd>It is unlikely that Qt Creator will ever support the rich set of
features that Carbide currently provides to the power user.<br><br>
<dd>Are there any initiatives will enable CDT based IDEs to lower its
learning curve and better support the needs of a simple C++ application
developer?<br><br>
<dd>Thanks,<br>
<dd>Paul<br><br>
<dd>-- <br>
<dd>Paul Beusterien<br>
<dd>Development Tools Manager<br>
<dd>Symbian Foundation<br>
<dd>Foster City, California USA<br>
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