Edit Music score

[Ilan ()]

We have input music via MIDI from a Roland keyboard and there are a few questions.
Notice the rest at the beginning. This is because of an error of the starting beat.
What we would like to do is eliminate this and shift the whole score.

I found that I can use the Move function, but this puts the rest into the first bar.
That is OK, but how do I delete this bar altogether?
The second question is on quantize.
Notice the difference in complexity between the first bar which was edited by erasing everything and putting in the notes by hand. What I would like to do is have quantize do the work for me. Eliminate all the "fine tuning" in the score and make it SIMPLE, so that it is easy to read. I've played around with different parameters of quantize but I can't get it to output something simple like the hand edited first bar.
Any suggestions would be welcome.
Ilan

[D. Michael McIntyre-3]

On Monday 29 June 2009, Ilan wrote:

> Notice the rest at the beginning. This is because of an error of the
> starting beat.
> What we would like to do is eliminate this and shift the whole score.

Shift the whole score to the left by one beat?

The easiest thing to do there may be to shrink the left edge of the segment by
one beat (resize it toward the right), then move that segment to the left by
one beat.

> That is OK, but how do I delete this bar altogether?

Select the bar (double clicking with the arrow tool is a convenient way) and
Edit -> Cut and Close should take care of it.

> The second question is on quantize.
> Notice the difference in complexity between the first bar which was edited
> by erasing everything and putting in the notes by hand. What I would like
> to do is have quantize do the work for me. Eliminate all the "fine tuning"
> in the score and make it SIMPLE, so that it is easy to read.

What you speak of, my friend, is a kind of holy grail.

I've set out many times to write a tutorial explaining exactly how to use what
tool to clean up some mess in some score, and I always resort to hand work
somewhere.

I am still here at Rosegarden after getting depressed and deciding to go buy
some real software.  I tried out all the demos I could get my hands on, and
the $1,000 stuff is no holy grail either.

There is no holy grail.  Sometimes all you can do is erase the mess and draw
it by hand.  Notation software universally sucks at making anything a human
plays on a keyboard simple.  Unless you happen to be inhumanly good at
playing with precise timing.
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D. Michael McIntyre

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[Julie S]

Dear Ilan and Michael,

Michael wrote:
> There is no holy grail.  Sometimes all you can do is
> erase the mess and draw
> it by hand.  Notation software universally sucks at
> making anything a human
> plays on a keyboard simple.  Unless you happen to be
> inhumanly good at
> playing with precise timing.

You can get away with play with dynamics a bit when you record, but everything else feels pretty un-musical when you record to make sheet music.  That is the crux of the problem.  How do you play so the computer knows if you meant to play a quarter note, and eight note with an eighth rest, or was that suppose to be a staccato quarter note?  Hmmm....  

Sorry, I didn't really contribute, but I couldn't resist.

Sincerely,
Julie S.



     

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[D. Michael McIntyre-3]

On Tuesday 30 June 2009, Julie S wrote:

> music.  That is the crux of the problem.  How do you play so the computer
> knows if you meant to play a quarter note, and eight note with an eighth
> rest, or was that suppose to be a staccato quarter note?  Hmmm....

Something that got lost from that message...  I meant to say that after trying
everything I could lay my hands on, I actually found Rosegarden did the best
job overall of coping with human stuff and producing a legible result.  There
were some situations where Application X did a much better job with a couple
of bars in something, but on balance it was always cheaper to clean up those
two bars than to fix the mess Application X made everywhere else.

Rosegarden is actually rather good at this, although it still leaves a lot to
be desired, and making sheet music out of a performance is still just too
much work.

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[Ilan]

First of all, you have given me some real answers.
I am just starting with the business of trying to help my wife.
We had a choice to use to pirated, old software from Windows
and I said "NO Way!!". If we have to learn from zero, at least start
with some good software on a better system than Windows.

I have been very pleased with what I've seen. Since I didn't know that
I had fallen onto a holy grail, I thought I must be doing something stupid.

Since writing the message I found how to use the Metronome in a better
way so it is easier to know the start of the bar. Like everything else, it
takes time and patience to learn. The most important thing which you told
me is the limits of what I can expect.

I will try my hand at getting rid of that rest, which drove me crazy as well.
So I have some new experiments to try and I thank you again for your
suggestions and your experience.

Ilan

[D. Michael McIntyre-3]

On Wednesday 01 July 2009, Ilan wrote:
> I have been very pleased with what I've seen. Since I didn't know that
> I had fallen onto a holy grail, I thought I must be doing something stupid.

This conversation kind of gives me the idea that while I try to write
tutorials that show what to do to achieve a particular solution, I don't
document all the dead end forks in the road along the way.

Maybe it would be instructive to take a real project and document not only
what works, but what doesn't along the way.  For instance, it's very easy to
use the heuristic or grid quantizer to clean something up in bar 43 only to
find later that bars 3-7 are completely destroyed in the process.  Sometimes
you don't notice this until 17 steps later, and have to start from scratch.

I suppose I've always wanted to avoid showing the ugly reality of the whole
process, to make Rosegarden look more magical.  It's not that magical at all,
in truth, but neither is anything else I've ever tried.

> I will try my hand at getting rid of that rest, which drove me crazy as
> well.

Another thing there, you could probably select it and cut-and-close to remove
that gap.  This kind of thing can be delicate, depending on where your notes
fall.  One minute you have something that looks fairly sensible, and the
next, you're swimming in a sea of bizarre tied dotted notes, because your
long notes cut across barlines now.
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D. Michael McIntyre

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