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Entering a "Bonus EP" as "(bonus disc)"?
by James LeVeque
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Hey there,
I'm not sure if I've ever brought anything up with MB-Users so, first off: Hi. That taken care of, I have a question about a release that comes with a disc labeled "bonus ep", and how that disc should be entered into MusicBrainz. This release in question here is of Montreal's "The Sunlandic Twins". As you can see in the link I've included below, the disc I'm referring to is labeled "the sunlandic twins bonus ep". It's entry in MusicBrainz, though, ignores the "bonus ep" and lists it as "The Sunlandic Twins (bonus disc)". I felt that a disc labeled "bonus ep" and entered as "bonus disc" is breaking EP Style, which states, in it's entirety, "If the word "EP" or "E.P." is part of a title, it should be retained.". So I entered an edit to change the title back to "The Sunlandic Twins (bonus EP)" I realized some time afterward that this kinda breaks Disc Number Style, and that a bonus disc that's explictly titled "bonus ep" should technically be listed as (bonus disc: bonus EP), dispite how repetitive that looks. User uraani, however, believes that the disc should be labeled (bonus disc) as it is, and that adding the "EP" would be redundant since the release attribute already covers that fact. Are there any opinions on this? I am extremely confident that the labeling of the disc, plus the listing on the website, show that "Bonus EP" is intended as part of the title. And, as per EP Style, "EP" should remain as part of the ReleaseTitle. uraani believes that "Bonus EP" is something other than a title, and that this should be treated as an un-named (bonus disc). Both of us agree that applying Disc Number Style to get (bonus disc: bonus EP), while technically correct, is redundant. Though, we have seperate reasons. I'm interested in your opinions even if you're not convinced that -this- realease in particular should be named "(bonus EP)". Rather, I'm asking if all "Bonus EP"s, reguardless of labeling, should be reduced to (bonus disc) when entered into musicbrainz. And, if so, could someone edit Disc Number Style to reflect this? There's some discussion on my edit #10367571 (also linked below), though the first No didn't come until 5 hours before expiration, so it's likely to be closed and Failed by the time you read this. Oh well. Thanks a lot, all, ~James / blue_j Relevant Links: -------------------------- Sunlandic Twins discrography listing, with scan of bonus EP: http://www.ofmontreal.net/discography/the-sunlandic-twins/ Sunlandic Twins (bonus disc) on MB: http://musicbrainz.org/release/0bff2d74-c097-4b5a-8602-d216f7c01b06.html My edit #10367571: http://musicbrainz.org/show/edit/?editid=10367571 (PS: I feel like a jerk calling-out folks directly on the mailing list like that. So, no offense uraani. We just have differing opinions is all.) :) _______________________________________________ MusicBrainz-users mailing list MusicBrainz-users@... http://lists.musicbrainz.org/mailman/listinfo/musicbrainz-users |
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Re: Entering a "Bonus EP" as "(bonus disc)"?
by Atedos-2
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In my opinion it's pretty clear:
The Sunlandic Twins (bonus disc) Release Attribute: EP This is the way it should be presented in the database. Not "bonus EP" or somtething. 2009/4/22 James LeVeque <jleveque@...> Hey there, _______________________________________________ MusicBrainz-users mailing list MusicBrainz-users@... http://lists.musicbrainz.org/mailman/listinfo/musicbrainz-users |
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Re: Entering a "Bonus EP" as "(bonus disc)"?
by Kuno Woudt-2
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On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 04:53:20PM +0400, Atedos wrote: > In my opinion it's pretty clear: > The Sunlandic Twins (bonus disc) > Release Attribute: EP > This is the way it should be presented in the database. If the title of the second disc is "the sunlandic twins bonus ep", this should be retained as much as possible. In that case I would prefer (disc 1) and (disc 2: bonus ep). This would require duplicating the first disc (assuming it is available without the bonus ep), which obviously is frowned upon. However, from the pictures at http://www.ofmontreal.net/discography/the-sunlandic-twins/ I am not convinced that 'bonus ep' is part of the title, so agree to what Atedos wrote above. -- kuno / warp. _______________________________________________ MusicBrainz-users mailing list MusicBrainz-users@... http://lists.musicbrainz.org/mailman/listinfo/musicbrainz-users |
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Re: Entering a "Bonus EP" as "(bonus disc)"?
by gnu_andrew
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2009/4/22 Atedos <atedos@...>:
> In my opinion it's pretty clear: > The Sunlandic Twins (bonus disc) > Release Attribute: EP > This is the way it should be presented in the database. > > Not "bonus EP" or somtething. > > 2009/4/22 James LeVeque <jleveque@...> >> >> Hey there, >> >> I'm not sure if I've ever brought anything up with MB-Users so, first off: >> Hi. >> >> That taken care of, I have a question about a release that comes with >> a disc labeled "bonus ep", and how that disc should be entered into >> MusicBrainz. >> >> This release in question here is of Montreal's "The Sunlandic Twins". >> As you can see in the link I've included below, the disc I'm referring >> to is labeled "the sunlandic twins bonus ep". It's entry in >> MusicBrainz, though, ignores the "bonus ep" and lists it as "The >> Sunlandic Twins (bonus disc)". >> >> I felt that a disc labeled "bonus ep" and entered as "bonus disc" is >> breaking EP Style, which states, in it's entirety, "If the word "EP" >> or "E.P." is part of a title, it should be retained.". So I entered an >> edit to change the title back to "The Sunlandic Twins (bonus EP)" >> >> I realized some time afterward that this kinda breaks Disc Number >> Style, and that a bonus disc that's explictly titled "bonus ep" should >> technically be listed as (bonus disc: bonus EP), dispite how >> repetitive that looks. >> >> User uraani, however, believes that the disc should be labeled (bonus >> disc) as it is, and that adding the "EP" would be redundant since the >> release attribute already covers that fact. >> >> >> Are there any opinions on this? >> I am extremely confident that the labeling of the disc, plus the >> listing on the website, show that "Bonus EP" is intended as part of >> the title. And, as per EP Style, "EP" should remain as part of the >> ReleaseTitle. >> >> uraani believes that "Bonus EP" is something other than a title, and >> that this should be treated as an un-named (bonus disc). >> >> Both of us agree that applying Disc Number Style to get (bonus disc: >> bonus EP), while technically correct, is redundant. Though, we have >> seperate reasons. >> >> >> I'm interested in your opinions even if you're not convinced that >> -this- realease in particular should be named "(bonus EP)". Rather, >> I'm asking if all "Bonus EP"s, reguardless of labeling, should be >> reduced to (bonus disc) when entered into musicbrainz. And, if so, >> could someone edit Disc Number Style to reflect this? >> >> >> There's some discussion on my edit #10367571 (also linked below), >> though the first No didn't come until 5 hours before expiration, so >> it's likely to be closed and Failed by the time you read this. Oh >> well. >> >> >> Thanks a lot, all, >> ~James / blue_j >> >> >> Relevant Links: >> -------------------------- >> Sunlandic Twins discrography listing, with scan of bonus EP: >> http://www.ofmontreal.net/discography/the-sunlandic-twins/ >> Sunlandic Twins (bonus disc) on MB: >> http://musicbrainz.org/release/0bff2d74-c097-4b5a-8602-d216f7c01b06.html >> My edit #10367571: http://musicbrainz.org/show/edit/?editid=10367571 >> >> >> (PS: I feel like a jerk calling-out folks directly on the mailing list >> like that. So, no offense uraani. We just have differing opinions is >> all.) :) >> >> _______________________________________________ >> MusicBrainz-users mailing list >> MusicBrainz-users@... >> http://lists.musicbrainz.org/mailman/listinfo/musicbrainz-users > > > _______________________________________________ > MusicBrainz-users mailing list > MusicBrainz-users@... > http://lists.musicbrainz.org/mailman/listinfo/musicbrainz-users > +1 It just looks like a normal bonus disc to me, but my only source is the website as I don't own the release. -- Andrew :-) Free Java Software Engineer Red Hat, Inc. (http://www.redhat.com) Support Free Java! Contribute to GNU Classpath and the OpenJDK http://www.gnu.org/software/classpath http://openjdk.java.net PGP Key: 94EFD9D8 (http://subkeys.pgp.net) Fingerprint: F8EF F1EA 401E 2E60 15FA 7927 142C 2591 94EF D9D8 _______________________________________________ MusicBrainz-users mailing list MusicBrainz-users@... http://lists.musicbrainz.org/mailman/listinfo/musicbrainz-users |
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Re: Entering a "Bonus EP" as "(bonus disc)"?
by Pavel Fedyakov
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Atedos:
> In my opinion it's pretty clear: > The Sunlandic Twins (bonus disc) > Release Attribute: EP > This is the way it should be presented in the database. > > Not "bonus EP" or somtething. +1 The only possible alternative for me is "The Sunlandic Twins (bonus disc: Bonus EP)" but this is not the case as I see. _______________________________________________ MusicBrainz-users mailing list MusicBrainz-users@... http://lists.musicbrainz.org/mailman/listinfo/musicbrainz-users |
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