Enterprise Blogging Solutions?

[Steve Keator-2]

Hello All,

 

I've been plagued with the task of doing some research regarding
enterprise-level blogging solutions (really, non-FOSS solutions, but in
this client's case, enterprise-level software is the way to go).  Of
course, this means no BlogCFC, Mango Blog, or Mura CMS to handle it (and
CERTAINLY not WordPress!).

 

I've been trying to do some research and have come up pretty short.  Our
company would like to keep this in the CF realm, since it's what we're
used to working with.   It looks like some CMS solutions like ShadoCMS
or HotBanana may work for us, however, since there really isn't much
information on their site, and the fact that I really don't want to
engage in conversations with annoying sales people, it's hard to tell
for certain.

 

Has anyone out there had experience with either one of these products,
and can shed some light on blogging tools within them?  Or perhaps
you're aware of some other CF enterprise CMS/blogging tools that I'm
not?  I'd appreciate any thoughts from the community.

 

Thanks!

 

 



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[Alan Rother]

>>> Of course, this means no BlogCFC, Mango Blog, or Mura CMS to handle it
(and CERTAINLY not WordPress!).

Why not? These are all great products. What are they missing?


=]

--
Alan Rother
Adobe Certified Advanced ColdFusion MX 7 Developer
Manager, Phoenix Cold Fusion User Group, AZCFUG.org


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[Steve Keator-2]

You and I know they are all great products.  The problem, however, is
that they're FOSS (Free-Open-Source-Software).  I can tell you that the
client is a very large financial institution, and because they are such,
they have very stringent requirements for creating ANY website.  We
could, of course, create a custom solution for them as well, however, my
bosses up the chain agree that we need to find a ready-made solution.

-----Original Message-----
From: Alan Rother [mailto:alan.rother@...]
Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 12:47 PM
To: cf-talk
Subject: Re: Enterprise Blogging Solutions?


>>> Of course, this means no BlogCFC, Mango Blog, or Mura CMS to handle
it
(and CERTAINLY not WordPress!).

Why not? These are all great products. What are they missing?


=]

--
Alan Rother
Adobe Certified Advanced ColdFusion MX 7 Developer
Manager, Phoenix Cold Fusion User Group, AZCFUG.org




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[Alan Rother]

Gotcha, you need a "Guarantee on the box" type of solution...

Been there.. I hate that mindset, but I understand it all too well.

On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 11:01 AM, Steve Keator <skeator@...> wrote:

>
> You and I know they are all great products.  The problem, however, is
> that they're FOSS (Free-Open-Source-Software).  I can tell you that the
> client is a very large financial institution, and because they are such,
> they have very stringent requirements for creating ANY website.  We
> could, of course, create a custom solution for them as well, however, my
> bosses up the chain agree that we need to find a ready-made solution.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Alan Rother [mailto:alan.rother@...]
> Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 12:47 PM
> To: cf-talk
> Subject: Re: Enterprise Blogging Solutions?
>
>
> >>> Of course, this means no BlogCFC, Mango Blog, or Mura CMS to handle
> it
> (and CERTAINLY not WordPress!).
>
> Why not? These are all great products. What are they missing?
>
>
> =]
>
> --
> Alan Rother
> Adobe Certified Advanced ColdFusion MX 7 Developer
> Manager, Phoenix Cold Fusion User Group, AZCFUG.org
>
>
>
>
>

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[Mark Mandel]

As a silly question -

Have you been in contact with either Mura or the ASFusion to ask what sort
of support packages they could provide for you?

They may fit your requirements.

Mark

On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 5:01 AM, Steve Keator <skeator@...> wrote:

>
> You and I know they are all great products.  The problem, however, is
> that they're FOSS (Free-Open-Source-Software).  I can tell you that the
> client is a very large financial institution, and because they are such,
> they have very stringent requirements for creating ANY website.  We
> could, of course, create a custom solution for them as well, however, my
> bosses up the chain agree that we need to find a ready-made solution.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Alan Rother [mailto:alan.rother@...]
> Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 12:47 PM
> To: cf-talk
> Subject: Re: Enterprise Blogging Solutions?
>
>
> >>> Of course, this means no BlogCFC, Mango Blog, or Mura CMS to handle
> it
> (and CERTAINLY not WordPress!).
>
> Why not? These are all great products. What are they missing?
>
>
> =]
>
> --
> Alan Rother
> Adobe Certified Advanced ColdFusion MX 7 Developer
> Manager, Phoenix Cold Fusion User Group, AZCFUG.org
>
>
>
>
>

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[Steve Keator-2]

Mura won't work in this case.  If it could, I wouldn't be writing this.
We use Mura day in and day out around here.  

Part of the client's requirements, no FOSS software, doesn't really help
us with this one.  :-(

As far as ASFusion, I'm not familiar with them, it looks like they are
some sort of a custom solution provider.  When I spoke to my boss a
little while ago, he made sure to mention that we won't be building
something custom for this, specifically for the reasons that Alan
mentioned ("Guarantee on the box").

I guess I'll be calling salespeople.  EEEK.

Cheers,
S.

-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Mandel [mailto:mark.mandel@...]
Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 3:24 PM
To: cf-talk
Subject: Re: Enterprise Blogging Solutions?


As a silly question -

Have you been in contact with either Mura or the ASFusion to ask what
sort
of support packages they could provide for you?

They may fit your requirements.

Mark

On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 5:01 AM, Steve Keator <skeator@...> wrote:

>
> You and I know they are all great products.  The problem, however, is
> that they're FOSS (Free-Open-Source-Software).  I can tell you that
the
> client is a very large financial institution, and because they are
such,
> they have very stringent requirements for creating ANY website.  We
> could, of course, create a custom solution for them as well, however,
my

> bosses up the chain agree that we need to find a ready-made solution.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Alan Rother [mailto:alan.rother@...]
> Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 12:47 PM
> To: cf-talk
> Subject: Re: Enterprise Blogging Solutions?
>
>
> >>> Of course, this means no BlogCFC, Mango Blog, or Mura CMS to

handle

> it
> (and CERTAINLY not WordPress!).
>
> Why not? These are all great products. What are they missing?
>
>
> =]
>
> --
> Alan Rother
> Adobe Certified Advanced ColdFusion MX 7 Developer
> Manager, Phoenix Cold Fusion User Group, AZCFUG.org
>
>
>
>
>

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[Mark Mandel]

ASFusion is the people behind Mangoblog.

I have no idea if they *do* support for Mango, but its worth asking the
question.

Farcry *does* have a blogging platform, and they most definitely have a
support plan/professional open source business.

Mark



On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 7:40 AM, Steve Keator <skeator@...> wrote:

>
> Mura won't work in this case.  If it could, I wouldn't be writing this.
> We use Mura day in and day out around here.
>
> Part of the client's requirements, no FOSS software, doesn't really help
> us with this one.  :-(
>
> As far as ASFusion, I'm not familiar with them, it looks like they are
> some sort of a custom solution provider.  When I spoke to my boss a
> little while ago, he made sure to mention that we won't be building
> something custom for this, specifically for the reasons that Alan
> mentioned ("Guarantee on the box").
>
> I guess I'll be calling salespeople.  EEEK.
>
> Cheers,
> S.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mark Mandel [mailto:mark.mandel@...]
> Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 3:24 PM
> To: cf-talk
> Subject: Re: Enterprise Blogging Solutions?
>
>
> As a silly question -
>
> Have you been in contact with either Mura or the ASFusion to ask what
> sort
> of support packages they could provide for you?
>
> They may fit your requirements.
>
> Mark
>
> On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 5:01 AM, Steve Keator <skeator@...> wrote:
>
> >
> > You and I know they are all great products.  The problem, however, is
> > that they're FOSS (Free-Open-Source-Software).  I can tell you that
> the
> > client is a very large financial institution, and because they are
> such,
> > they have very stringent requirements for creating ANY website.  We
> > could, of course, create a custom solution for them as well, however,
> my
> > bosses up the chain agree that we need to find a ready-made solution.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Alan Rother [mailto:alan.rother@...]
> > Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 12:47 PM
> > To: cf-talk
> > Subject: Re: Enterprise Blogging Solutions?
> >
> >
> > >>> Of course, this means no BlogCFC, Mango Blog, or Mura CMS to
> handle
> > it
> > (and CERTAINLY not WordPress!).
> >
> > Why not? These are all great products. What are they missing?
> >
> >
> > =]
> >
> > --
> > Alan Rother
> > Adobe Certified Advanced ColdFusion MX 7 Developer
> > Manager, Phoenix Cold Fusion User Group, AZCFUG.org
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>

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[denstar]

Maybe the FOSS can do something like ckeditor does:

http://ckeditor.com/

Commercial licensing for peeps that "need" it.

--
What does the future, that half of time, matter to the man who is
infatuated with eternity?
Emile M. Cioran

On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 1:40 PM, Steve Keator wrote:

>
> Mura won't work in this case.  If it could, I wouldn't be writing this.
> We use Mura day in and day out around here.
>
> Part of the client's requirements, no FOSS software, doesn't really help
> us with this one.  :-(
>
> As far as ASFusion, I'm not familiar with them, it looks like they are
> some sort of a custom solution provider.  When I spoke to my boss a
> little while ago, he made sure to mention that we won't be building
> something custom for this, specifically for the reasons that Alan
> mentioned ("Guarantee on the box").
>
> I guess I'll be calling salespeople.  EEEK.
>
> Cheers,

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[Maureen-2]

Most of my enterprise level clients are using products from Six Apart.
http://www.typepad.com/business/

On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 9:28 AM, Steve Keator <skeator@...> wrote:
>
> Hello All,
>

> I've been trying to do some research and have come up pretty short.  Our
> company would like to keep this in the CF realm, since it's what we're
> used to working with.   It looks like some CMS solutions like ShadoCMS
> or HotBanana may work for us, however, since there really isn't much
> information on their site, and the fact that I really don't want to
> engage in conversations with annoying sales people, it's hard to tell
> for certai

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[Malcolm O'Keeffe-2]

>You and I know they are all great products.  The problem, however, is
>that they're FOSS (Free-Open-Source-Software).  I can tell you that the
>client is a very large financial institution, and because they are such,
>they have very stringent requirements for creating ANY website.  We
>could, of course, create a custom solution for them as well, however, my
>bosses up the chain agree that we need to find a ready-made solution.

Steve, while we are huge proponents of open-source software, we do offer commercial licenses for clients who require them (usually Fortune 500 companies with an allergy against FOSS).

We would be happy to talk with you about your project, and to see how Mura CMS (with a commercial license) could be useful for you. Our commercial license comes with full guarantees, indemnification, support, etc.

Please let me know if you want to chat - via email if you like: malcolm (at) blueriver.com or via phone at [phone].

Thanks,

Malcolm O'Keeffe
Blue River Interactive Group
Mura CMS

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[Raymond Camden]

And speaking for BlogCFC, I can also provide guaranteed support as
well, if that makes a difference.

On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 2:57 PM, Mark Mandel <mark.mandel@...> wrote:

>
> ASFusion is the people behind Mangoblog.
>
> I have no idea if they *do* support for Mango, but its worth asking the
> question.
>
> Farcry *does* have a blogging platform, and they most definitely have a
> support plan/professional open source business.
>
> Mark
>

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[Steve Keator-2]

The reasoning that this client doesn't want any FOSS software lies in
the fact that they don't want anything that can be "easily exploitable"
... meaning ... they don't want open source code not because there's a
support issue involved, but because they're afraid of someone finding
potential problems in the open source software and exploiting their
site.  Surely it's understandable.

IMHO, FOSS software would be better anyways... when an exploit is found
it is usually corrected immediately (hours) unlike other types of
solutions (days or even weeks).  But... it's the customer's policy and
choice to go this route (and trust me, their policy is ridiculously
over-the-top).

Thank you, everyone, for your help.

Cheers,
S.

-----Original Message-----
From: Raymond Camden [mailto:rcamden@...]
Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 10:03 PM
To: cf-talk
Subject: Re: Enterprise Blogging Solutions?


And speaking for BlogCFC, I can also provide guaranteed support as
well, if that makes a difference.

On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 2:57 PM, Mark Mandel <mark.mandel@...>
wrote:
>
> ASFusion is the people behind Mangoblog.
>
> I have no idea if they *do* support for Mango, but its worth asking
the
> question.
>
> Farcry *does* have a blogging platform, and they most definitely have
a
> support plan/professional open source business.
>
> Mark
>

--
========================================================================
===
Raymond Camden, ColdFusion Jedi Master

Email    : ray@...
Blog      : www.coldfusionjedi.com
AOL IM : cfjedimaster

Keep up to date with the community: http://www.coldfusionbloggers.org



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[Steve Keator-2]

Interesting to know.

I'll have to run it by the big-wigs and see what they have to think
about it.  I'll be in touch.

Thanks,
S.

-----Original Message-----
From: Malcolm O'Keeffe [mailto:malcolm.okeeffe@...]
Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 7:10 PM
To: cf-talk
Subject: Re: Enterprise Blogging Solutions?


>You and I know they are all great products.  The problem, however, is
>that they're FOSS (Free-Open-Source-Software).  I can tell you that the
>client is a very large financial institution, and because they are
such,
>they have very stringent requirements for creating ANY website.  We
>could, of course, create a custom solution for them as well, however,
my
>bosses up the chain agree that we need to find a ready-made solution.

Steve, while we are huge proponents of open-source software, we do offer
commercial licenses for clients who require them (usually Fortune 500
companies with an allergy against FOSS).

We would be happy to talk with you about your project, and to see how
Mura CMS (with a commercial license) could be useful for you. Our
commercial license comes with full guarantees, indemnification, support,
etc.

Please let me know if you want to chat - via email if you like: malcolm
(at) blueriver.com or via phone at [phone].

Thanks,

Malcolm O'Keeffe
Blue River Interactive Group
Mura CMS



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[Dave Watts]

> The reasoning that this client doesn't want any FOSS software lies in
> the fact that they don't want anything that can be "easily exploitable"
> ... meaning ... they don't want open source code not because there's a
> support issue involved, but because they're afraid of someone finding
> potential problems in the open source software and exploiting their
> site.  Surely it's understandable.

It may be understandable, but it's certainly counterproductive and
wrong, as any qualified security expert could tell them.

Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software
http://www.figleaf.com/

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Chicago, Baltimore, Northern Virginia, or on-site at your location.
Visit http://training.figleaf.com/ for more information

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