Nabble - Etoile

Re: Starting Etoile development

2009-12-08T13:10:31Z

On 8 Dec 2009, at 20:04, Mark Marszal wrote:

> Do you know if the gentoo ebuilds for gnustep and etoile are up-to-
> date in portage? Or do you recommend just using ubuntu/debian
> instead?

If you're interested in contributing, you'd be better off building
trunk yourself, not using a packaged version. Trunk currently depends
on GNUstep trunk, so you'll want to build that too.

> Secondly, I need to brush up on my Objective-c skills. I recently
> purchased stephen kochans objective-c 2.0 book as a reference.
> Does gcc have support for objective-c 2.0? I only know objective-c
> 1.0, but I would like to use some features 2.0 has.

GCC doesn't support ObjC2 and probably never will. Clang does with
libobjc2 from GNUstep svn. We'd rather avoid depending on clang for a
little while, but we'll probably switch at some point in the next six
months.

> I also noticed that there is an abstraction layer for objc 2.0 in the
> works for etoile. I'm not exactly sure what that is yet, but sounds
> interesting.

This provides the new runtime APIs that Apple added with 10.5 and a
few of the runtime functions that are needed by ObjC 2 features. It's
deprecated now in favour of libobjc2.

> Eventually I'd like to contribute some code in the future once I get
> used to Etoile.
> I'm guessing following the material on: http://etoileos.com/news/archive/2007/07/20/1300/
> is a good start, but it is a bit dated.

I think it's still about right.

> Should I still follow the layout on that article, or is there a better
> way to jump into etoile development?

We're moving away from having separate subdirectories for source and
headers (it makes jumping between source and headers difficult), but
apart from that I think it's all still sensible.

David

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Re: Starting Etoile development

2009-12-08T12:19:31Z

В Втр, 08/12/2009 в 12:04 -0800, Mark Marszal пишет:

Hi all,

Im going to have some free time during the winter break and the  
upcoming semester (currently in university).
I've been itching to write some applications for Etoile for a couple  
of years now, and I think now is a good time to start.
I have some of questions if some of you don't mind answering.

I've been running a hackintosh for the last year, so i've kind of been  
ignoring linux in general.
I've used Gentoo for about 5 years and have no real experience with  
other distributions.
Do you know if the gentoo ebuilds for gnustep and etoile are up-to- 
date in portage?  Or do you recommend just using ubuntu/debian instead?

Secondly, I need to brush up on my Objective-c skills. I recently  
purchased stephen kochans objective-c 2.0 book as a reference.
Does gcc have support for objective-c 2.0? I only know objective-c  
1.0, but I would like to use some features 2.0 has.
I also noticed that there is an abstraction layer for objc 2.0 in the  
works for etoile. I'm not exactly sure what that is yet, but sounds  
interesting.

Eventually I'd like to contribute  some code in the future once I get  
used to Etoile.
I'm guessing following the material on: http://etoileos.com/news/archive/2007/07/20/1300/ 
   is a good start, but it is a bit dated.
Should I still follow the layout on that article, or is there a better  
way to jump into etoile development?

Thanks for reading

-Mark

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In gentoo simple layman-a gnustep ;)

I wrote-9999.ebuild for Etoile everything is there

git clone git://github.com/init6/init_6.git

only if you want to do this verify ESVN_REPO_URI = "" I've a lot of experimenting...

And one more thing I've tried all combinations of versions but the most important thing has yet to ... Unfortunately most important application launching session Etoile I unfortunately have not build. In general, if you'll get some success then write me.

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Starting Etoile development

2009-12-08T12:04:51Z

Hi all,

Im going to have some free time during the winter break and the
upcoming semester (currently in university).
I've been itching to write some applications for Etoile for a couple
of years now, and I think now is a good time to start.
I have some of questions if some of you don't mind answering.

I've been running a hackintosh for the last year, so i've kind of been
ignoring linux in general.
I've used Gentoo for about 5 years and have no real experience with
other distributions.
Do you know if the gentoo ebuilds for gnustep and etoile are up-to-
date in portage? Or do you recommend just using ubuntu/debian instead?

Secondly, I need to brush up on my Objective-c skills. I recently
purchased stephen kochans objective-c 2.0 book as a reference.
Does gcc have support for objective-c 2.0? I only know objective-c
1.0, but I would like to use some features 2.0 has.
I also noticed that there is an abstraction layer for objc 2.0 in the
works for etoile. I'm not exactly sure what that is yet, but sounds
interesting.

Eventually I'd like to contribute some code in the future once I get
used to Etoile.
I'm guessing following the material on: http://etoileos.com/news/archive/2007/07/20/1300/
is a good start, but it is a bit dated.
Should I still follow the layout on that article, or is there a better
way to jump into etoile development?

Thanks for reading

-Mark

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Re: Is Etoile ready to "live" in yet?

2009-12-08T11:22:59Z

On Sat, Dec 5, 2009 at 03:31, bornagainpenguin wrote:
>
> So far it appears as if Étoilé is only intended to be a developer's
> environment, not something an enduser can "live" in and run for
> their daily use. Is this perception correct?

Yes, the 0.4.x releases are for developers, while 0.5 will be for end users.
See http://etoileos.com/dev/roadmap/ for details.

> Otherwise I'd like to know if there is a simpler way to get Étoilé up and
> running on an eeepc 901, which is my Linux machine for the time being.

Debian/Ubuntu and FreeBSD are the most used platforms for GNUstep in
general. I think you need to build Étoilé from source if you want to
try it out on Ubuntu. The latest release is available from ports on
FreeBSD.

If you just want to see the status quo with the least amount of
effort, there is a VirtualBox image at http://etoileos.com/downloads/

Others can probably give more accurate hints on how to install Étoilé in Ubuntu.

-Truls

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Re: Is Etoile ready to "live" in yet?

2009-12-04T18:31:04Z

/bumping this to be sure that message was actually sent.

Nabble is unclear on this, saying something about needing to subscribe to the mailing list (which I believe I just did) before message would go through (yet it displays in nabble!?) so here I am. Sorry about the inconvenience.

--bornagainpenguin

bornagainpenguin wrote:

I was reading the recent OSNews.com article about Windowmaker and someone mentioned this project. It looks interesting and active (in contrast to other GNUStep projects that I found in Google) so I started reading the FAQ and the forum to get some idea of what I can expect. So far it appears as if Étoilé is only intended to be a developer's environment, not something an enduser can "live" in and run for their daily use. Is this perception correct?

Otherwise I'd like to know if there is a simpler way to get Étoilé up and running on an eeepc 901, which is my Linux machine for the time being. (I run Ubuntu 8.04.3 on it currently and Ubuntu 9.10 on the desktop when I boot into that partition.) Lately I've become really unenthused by the direction Ubuntu and Gnome 3.0 seem to be heading and so am looking for desktop environment alternatives. I remember GNUStep as something that was not quite ready when Darwin was the hot topic of discussion several years ago, and am hoping a combination of time and Étoilé has changed that situation.

Thanks!

--bornagainpenguin

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Is Etoile ready to "live" in yet?

2009-12-04T09:16:09Z

I was reading the recent OSNews.com article about Windowmaker and someone mentioned this project. It looks interesting and active (in contrast to other GNUStep projects that I found in Google) so I started reading the FAQ and the forum to get some idea of what I can expect. So far it appears as if Étoilé is only intended to be a developer's environment, not something an enduser can "live" in and run for their daily use. Is this perception correct?

Otherwise I'd like to know if there is a simpler way to get Étoilé up and running on an eeepc 901, which is my Linux machine for the time being. (I run Ubuntu 8.04.3 on it currently and Ubuntu 9.10 on the desktop when I boot into that partition.) Lately I've become really unenthused by the direction Ubuntu and Gnome 3.0 seem to be heading and so am looking for desktop environment alternatives. I remember GNUStep as something that was not quite ready when Darwin was the hot topic of discussion several years ago, and am hoping a combination of time and Étoilé has changed that situation.

Thanks!

--bornagainpenguin

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Re: Google Wave Invitation

2009-11-28T11:06:41Z

On Wed, 25 Nov 2009 17:53:12 -0430 Ricardo Correa
<r.correa.r@...> wrote:

> I thought about doing the same for a project of mine but it seems Wave
> is not that efficient for this. There's no way to define a hierarchy
> of content (pretty much just paragraph headings) nor styles for that
> matter so all your messages would pretty much be just some sort of
> RTF. Also when more than 1 person has edited more than one blip
> (message) there doesn't seem to be a way to know who exactly did what
> (may or not be so important).

There is a playback feature, which goes through all the changes, and
tells you who made them. But the UI leaves a lot to be desired right
now. I'm sure they'll improve it... eventually.

(P.S. I also have some Wave invitations available.)

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