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Everyone happy with mclient and squeezcenter 7.3.3?

by stuart-20 :: Rate this Message:

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Hi...

I dusted off my mvpmc set up and tried squeezcenter 7.3.3 and mclient
2.2 for the first time.

(Switching to HDTV and stabilizing my mythtv network has kept me busy.)

The combination appears to work - however, admittedly, I did have a
period of time where there was no sound.  Strange, as restarting the
squeezecenter process on the Debian/Linux-server box seamed to fix it.

-thanks


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MVPMC on Atom 330 Boards?

by Eric Lund :: Rate this Message:

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Folks,

This message prompted me to post.  Would anyone out there be interested
in MVPMC running on Atom 330 boards?  This is a Mini-ITX (17cmx17cm)
format card that has a dual-core Intel Atom, Gig Ethernet, Decent Audio,
and S-Video output.  It goes for about $80 (Neweggg) without
power supply, case, or memory.  Probably could be built into a
DTV capable replacement for the MVP for about $120 (cheaper and way more
open than the Popcorn Hour).

Probably not much of a porting effort, since we already run on x86.
Just have to point mplayer at the s-video port.  There is another
card coming (apparently) in the same vein with HDMI as well.

I would love to breathe new life into MVPMC, I prefer it to the other
player options (at least as a Myth client) I have tried.

                                Eric
                                       

On 09/16/2009 02:34 PM, stuart wrote:

> Hi...
>
> I dusted off my mvpmc set up and tried squeezcenter 7.3.3 and mclient
> 2.2 for the first time.
>
> (Switching to HDTV and stabilizing my mythtv network has kept me busy.)
>
> The combination appears to work - however, admittedly, I did have a
> period of time where there was no sound.  Strange, as restarting the
> squeezecenter process on the Debian/Linux-server box seamed to fix it.
>
> -thanks
>
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Re: MVPMC on Atom 330 Boards?

by Tom Metro-9 :: Rate this Message:

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Eric Lund wrote:
> Would anyone out there be interested in MVPMC running on Atom 330 boards?

Yes, or nVidia ION hardware:
http://www.nabble.com/nVidia-ion-platform-tc22632126s24861.html#a22632126

or Realtek-based media payers:
http://www.nabble.com/Realtek-media-player-appliances-tc25337975s24861.html


> This is a Mini-ITX (17cmx17cm) format card that has a dual-core Intel
> Atom, Gig Ethernet, Decent Audio, and S-Video output.

What does it use for video hardware? I presume an Intel solution.


> Probably could be built into a DTV capable replacement for the MVP
> for about $120...

DTV, but without video acceleration hardware, maybe not HDTV. The Atom
CPU is a heavily cost and power reduced Pentium.


> I would love to breathe new life into MVPMC...

I mention that in the second link above.


> ...I prefer it to the other player options (at least as a Myth
> client) I have tried.

Likewise. Visually, it's obsolete, but the usability is still superior.

  -Tom


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Re: MVPMC on Atom 330 Boards?

by MVallevand :: Rate this Message:

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GBPVR users of the NMT are buying refurbished A100 for $100 and there
is also the EGreat M34a for $150. My Asrock ION 330 (now running XBMC)
cost me more twice as much at about $350 ($US equivalent) without any
input devices.  I'm sure with some community effort, the NMT would
have been even more popular than the MVP as a MythTV client  and I
would have liked to have been part of it.

With work, a flavour of mvpmc would work well too,  but based on what
I see with XBMC a client should be fine so the effort might be
unnecessary.

Martin

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Re: MVPMC on Atom 330 Boards?

by Jamin W. Collins :: Rate this Message:

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Tom Metro wrote:
> Eric Lund wrote:
>> Would anyone out there be interested in MVPMC running on Atom 330 boards?
>
> Yes, or nVidia ION hardware:
> http://www.nabble.com/nVidia-ion-platform-tc22632126s24861.html#a22632126

I'd prefer to see support for the ION platform.  If anyone knows of some
good (small and stylish) cases for the mini-itx boards, I'd be love to
know.  I'm thinking something along the line of the Acer AspireRevo's
case[1].

[1] -
http://www.engadget.com/2009/04/07/acer-launches-first-nvidia-ion-based-nettop-aspirerevo/

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Re: MVPMC on Atom 330 Boards?

by Eric Lund :: Rate this Message:

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It's nice to hear that the group still seems to be alive.

I don't know a whole lot about the atom boord except that the price is
right and it seems to have decent compute power.  I am working on a
separate project (a software defined Ham Radio transceiver) which some
people are using Atom 330 boards for, and in looking over the HW it
seemed likely that it could probably handle the media that I am
recording right now and forced to watch on the Popcorn Hour UPnP client
(which can only fast forward not rewind and has no skip capability) or
my son's XBox.  I have been looking for something in the price range of
the MVP that would run MVPMC because it is much more capable.

It might need video acceleration, not sure, but I am willing to
experiment with it because I am eventually going to buy the card for
my radio project anyway, so the card isn't wasted.

As to cases, if this works I would love a low profile case with a power
supply and a place for an IR receiver.  Something big enough to hold
a mini-ITX board and power supply, but only about 2 inches high would
be great.

                                Eric

On 09/16/2009 08:53 PM, Jamin W. Collins wrote:

> Tom Metro wrote:
>> Eric Lund wrote:
>>> Would anyone out there be interested in MVPMC running on Atom 330 boards?
>> Yes, or nVidia ION hardware:
>> http://www.nabble.com/nVidia-ion-platform-tc22632126s24861.html#a22632126
>
> I'd prefer to see support for the ION platform.  If anyone knows of some
> good (small and stylish) cases for the mini-itx boards, I'd be love to
> know.  I'm thinking something along the line of the Acer AspireRevo's
> case[1].
>
> [1] -
> http://www.engadget.com/2009/04/07/acer-launches-first-nvidia-ion-based-nettop-aspirerevo/
>
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Re: MVPMC on Atom 330 Boards?

by Mike Holden-3 :: Rate this Message:

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People are already running genuine MythTV frontends on these boxes, and even
backends. If I went for this hardware, I would run native Myth on it, not mvpmc.

They run a decent nvidia graphics chip that permits VDPAU, so good quality full HD,
with little CPU use.
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Re: MVPMC on Atom 330 Boards?

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Like Mike, I prefer a full MythTV client when the hardware is capable. I don't know if Minimyth runs on the board mentioned, but it is definetely possible to run a full MythTV client on a very modest, diskless system.
 
Thomas

2009/9/17 Mike Holden <mvpmc@...>
People are already running genuine MythTV frontends on these boxes, and even
backends. If I went for this hardware, I would run native Myth on it, not mvpmc.

They run a decent nvidia graphics chip that permits VDPAU, so good quality full HD,
with little CPU use.
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Re: MVPMC on Atom 330 Boards?

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Well, I think, for 2 reasons, most people think this way - unfortunately.

1) As we head off to HD, we leave many platforms behind.  They just can
not handle the BW.

2) There is, AFAIK, no way for the mythtv's MBE to transcode video on
the fly "natively".  That is, make it transparent to the client.

As for solutions to the 2nd reason, I am thinking most mythtv developers
  actually have 2 systems.  One for development and one for using.  That
right there will put most people off of mythtv developing and adding
code to the MBE to transcode on the fly.  Maybe I'm wrong, but if I
moved my mythtv network into the realm of development, the rest of the
people in my house would riot!

Speaking of the 2nd reason - what happened to the iPhone/iTouch mythtv
development effort?  The current solution is to transcode all your
recordings - yeah, not for me.

BTW - the iPhone/iTouch mythtv remote control is a free app and works
great for a single MBE.  I recommend it.  And, I suspect some fixes for
multiple BEs w/FEs running will be here soon.  (FYI, multiple FEs work,
you just have to manually enter the IP of the front ends not running on
the MBE machine.)

...


Thomas Pontoppidan wrote:

> Like Mike, I prefer a full MythTV client when the hardware is capable. I
> don't know if Minimyth runs on the board mentioned, but it is
> definetely possible to run a full MythTV client on a very modest,
> diskless system.
>  
> Thomas
>
> 2009/9/17 Mike Holden <mvpmc@... <mailto:mvpmc@...>>
>
>     People are already running genuine MythTV frontends on these boxes,
>     and even
>     backends. If I went for this hardware, I would run native Myth on
>     it, not mvpmc.
>
>     They run a decent nvidia graphics chip that permits VDPAU, so good
>     quality full HD,
>     with little CPU use.
>     --
>     Mike Holden
>
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Re: MVPMC on Atom 330 Boards?

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MVallevand wrote:
> My Asrock ION 330 (now running XBMC) cost me...about $350 ($US
> equivalent)...
>
> With work, a flavour of mvpmc would work well too,  but based on what
> I see with XBMC a client should be fine so the effort might be
> unnecessary.

Not owning Xbox hardware, I had been ignoring XBMC, but I see they've
broadened the scope of that project to other x86 devices. That sounds
like an option worth checking out.


> I'm sure with some community effort, the NMT would have been even
> more popular than the MVP as a MythTV client and I would have liked
> to have been part of it.

I know you put in the effort to make that happen, and I'm not sure why
it didn't take hold. I can only say that I didn't get involved because I
didn't own the hardware. When it first came onto the market, I wasn't
looking to replace the MVP, and then later the hardware seemed less
compelling compared to the alternatives.


Mike Holden wrote:
> If I went for this hardware, I would run native Myth on it, not mvpmc.

That's logical. As an mvpmc user you do tend to feel like a second class
citizen in the MythTV community, however, as I've noted on the list
several times, I still tend to think mvpmc has better designed usability
in its MythTV client compared to the official front-end.

I also think it is good for the MythTV project to have clients developed
by outside projects. In theory, it should encourage them to spiff up the
architecture and not embed so much functionality in the front-end that
really should be in the back-end.

So even if I move to more general purpose front-end hardware, I'll
probably still lean towards using third party MythTV clients, like XBMC.


stuart wrote:
> ...what happened to the iPhone/iTouch mythtv development effort?

The author posted a few months back saying that he was likely going to
drop the transcoding proxy project, and instead use a native stream
playback feature added to the iPhone.


> ...I am thinking most mythtv developers actually have 2 systems. One
> for development and one for using.

I asked a local MythTV developer who periodically gives talks for a
local user group about this. He said he doesn't bother with two systems.
Instead he just runs the trunk version of MythTV as his "production"
installation. (Most of his development work is on peripheral aspects of
MythTV, like the firewire drivers, so his work probably has minimal
impact on playback.) He also noted that a colleague was successfully
running a back-end in a VM using an Ethernet (HDHR) connected tuner, so
that's another option.

A good discussion for the MythTV developer's list is what would you
change in the architecture to facilitate easier development? (Though I
think the MythTV project impeds developers in several ways, and the
architecture is only one of them.)

  -Tom

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