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FLTK vs GTKmm
by Christian-87
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Hash: SHA1 Hi, I'm just curious what your long-time experiences with these gui-libraries are. Considering to use one of these two but can't really decide. But I do not want to switch in a year or two... Thanks for your advices! Christian -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkp/wE0ACgkQVC26eJ+o0+2UQACePLcVXkXSwPygZrC1sQnDUWC0 hk0AmgNmgru7KzOfYCkGppoqldsam5GH =BzmB -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- _______________________________________________ Linux-audio-dev mailing list Linux-audio-dev@... http://lists.linuxaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-audio-dev |
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Re: FLTK vs GTKmm
by Christian-87
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Hash: SHA1 Thorsten Wilms schrieb: > On Mon, 2009-08-10 at 08:38 +0200, Christian wrote: > >> I'm just curious what your long-time experiences with these >> gui-libraries are. >> Considering to use one of these two but can't really decide. >> But I do not want to switch in a year or two... > > Well, I can't say anything about developing with either one of them, but > I think you should also take into account how the result will look and > feel. > > All examples of FLTK I know of look horribly out of place on a modern > desktop. Like, the 80ies want their GUIs back! > > GTKmm guis are always using your desktop theme which might be bad, too. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkp/4xQACgkQVC26eJ+o0+0UCgCeL5W0DlCi8eESuZpVbslUBx9C 0x4An2X+0tlngoHBiOygePAMRdBG1RQQ =wMkr -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- _______________________________________________ Linux-audio-dev mailing list Linux-audio-dev@... http://lists.linuxaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-audio-dev |
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Re: FLTK vs GTKmm
by Christian-87
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Hash: SHA1 Paul Davis schrieb: > On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 5:06 AM, Christian<krampenschiesser@...> wrote: > >> GTKmm guis are always using your desktop theme which might be bad, too. > > not true. ardour uses gtkmm and doesn't use the desktop theme. > > Thats interesting. Will have a look how this works. I think I'll go for gtkmm. I like the nice docu ;) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkp/5z4ACgkQVC26eJ+o0+3zugCgg8H/kkxePDzkmcvwMtXcAt01 lGwAn3ibuP4KjYA5u0lIAmpKtJlhI15+ =4JRs -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- _______________________________________________ Linux-audio-dev mailing list Linux-audio-dev@... http://lists.linuxaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-audio-dev |
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Re: FLTK vs GTKmm
by Thorsten Wilms
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On Mon, 2009-08-10 at 08:38 +0200, Christian wrote:
> I'm just curious what your long-time experiences with these > gui-libraries are. > Considering to use one of these two but can't really decide. > But I do not want to switch in a year or two... Well, I can't say anything about developing with either one of them, but I think you should also take into account how the result will look and feel. All examples of FLTK I know of look horribly out of place on a modern desktop. Like, the 80ies want their GUIs back! -- Thorsten Wilms thorwil's design for free software: http://thorwil.wordpress.com/ _______________________________________________ Linux-audio-dev mailing list Linux-audio-dev@... http://lists.linuxaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-audio-dev |
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Re: FLTK vs GTKmm
by Christian-87
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Hash: SHA1 >>> I'm just curious what your long-time experiences with these >>> gui-libraries are. >>> Considering to use one of these two but can't really decide. >>> But I do not want to switch in a year or two... >> Well, I can't say anything about developing with either one of them, but >> I think you should also take into account how the result will look and >> feel. >> >> All examples of FLTK I know of look horribly out of place on a modern >> desktop. Like, the 80ies want their GUIs back! > > There are other GUI toolkits that can look so much better. For instance, Qt > and wxWidgets. Why are you settling for the two choices given? > > Raymond qmake) And I don't like wxWidgets example code. I'll stick to gtkmm. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkp/8jwACgkQVC26eJ+o0+37jQCfdHs/u9IMYEfk5B8r6wzxGfPd 4gYAn0GRlnSZI5QnQ1Ary6SgZCDZI2WI =07/f -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- _______________________________________________ Linux-audio-dev mailing list Linux-audio-dev@... http://lists.linuxaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-audio-dev |
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Re: FLTK vs GTKmm
by Paul Davis
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On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 5:06 AM, Christian<krampenschiesser@...> wrote:
> GTKmm guis are always using your desktop theme which might be bad, too. not true. ardour uses gtkmm and doesn't use the desktop theme. _______________________________________________ Linux-audio-dev mailing list Linux-audio-dev@... http://lists.linuxaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-audio-dev |
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Re: FLTK vs GTKmm
by laseray
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On Monday 10 August 2009 05:51:52 Thorsten Wilms wrote:
> On Mon, 2009-08-10 at 08:38 +0200, Christian wrote: > > I'm just curious what your long-time experiences with these > > gui-libraries are. > > Considering to use one of these two but can't really decide. > > But I do not want to switch in a year or two... > > Well, I can't say anything about developing with either one of them, but > I think you should also take into account how the result will look and > feel. > > All examples of FLTK I know of look horribly out of place on a modern > desktop. Like, the 80ies want their GUIs back! There are other GUI toolkits that can look so much better. For instance, Qt and wxWidgets. Why are you settling for the two choices given? Raymond _______________________________________________ Linux-audio-dev mailing list Linux-audio-dev@... http://lists.linuxaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-audio-dev |
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Re: FLTK vs GTKmm
by Jens M Andreasen-2
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On Mon, 2009-08-10 at 11:51 +0200, Thorsten Wilms wrote: > All examples of FLTK I know of look horribly out of place on a modern > desktop. Like, the 80ies want their GUIs back! > Supercollider was some time ago. Current Version of FLTK has more than one engine, including one that clains to be a "Clearlooks" knock-off > _______________________________________________ Linux-audio-dev mailing list Linux-audio-dev@... http://lists.linuxaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-audio-dev |
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Re: FLTK vs GTKmm
by Jens M Andreasen-2
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Bzzt ...
SPIRALSYNTH, not Super- .. Whatever. On Mon, 2009-08-10 at 13:28 +0200, Jens M Andreasen wrote: > On Mon, 2009-08-10 at 11:51 +0200, Thorsten Wilms wrote: > > > All examples of FLTK I know of look horribly out of place on a modern > > desktop. Like, the 80ies want their GUIs back! > > > > Supercollider was some time ago. Current Version of FLTK has more than > one engine, including one that clains to be a "Clearlooks" knock-off > > > > _______________________________________________ > Linux-audio-dev mailing list > Linux-audio-dev@... > http://lists.linuxaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-audio-dev _______________________________________________ Linux-audio-dev mailing list Linux-audio-dev@... http://lists.linuxaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-audio-dev |
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Re: FLTK vs GTKmm
by laseray
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On Monday 10 August 2009 06:11:08 Christian wrote:
> >>> I'm just curious what your long-time experiences with these > >>> gui-libraries are. > >>> Considering to use one of these two but can't really decide. > >>> But I do not want to switch in a year or two... > >> > >> Well, I can't say anything about developing with either one of them, but > >> I think you should also take into account how the result will look and > >> feel. > >> > >> All examples of FLTK I know of look horribly out of place on a modern > >> desktop. Like, the 80ies want their GUIs back! > > > > There are other GUI toolkits that can look so much better. For instance, > > Qt and wxWidgets. Why are you settling for the two choices given? > > > > Raymond > > Well I don't want to get into qt as I don't need these dependencies(and > qmake) You can always recompile with less dependencies, and you do not have to use qmake to compile either. You can use CMake or something else. > And I don't like wxWidgets example code. Seems like an odd reason to rule it out. Have you seen Audacity? Looks pretty good, IMO. Raymond _______________________________________________ Linux-audio-dev mailing list Linux-audio-dev@... http://lists.linuxaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-audio-dev |
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Re: FLTK vs GTKmm
by Luis Garrido-4
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>> Well I don't want to get into qt as I don't need these dependencies(and
>> qmake) For what is worth, Qt's documentation is simply superb (reference, examples, tutorials), I suggest you give it a look, for me it was the selling point. http://doc.qtsoftware.com/4.5/index.html You can use any build system you want with it as long as it takes into account Qt's idiosyncrasies: autotools, cmake or scons are possibilities I have toyed with, although in the end I haven't found any reason to use anything other than qmake in my Qt projects. About dependencies, what are you referring to precisely? It has its drawbacks too (dual licensing, non-standard C++ syntax extensions...) but I find it easy to learn, powerful and well supported. Anyway, all toolkits are fine once you get used to them, just pick the one with the more appealing features to you. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_widget_toolkits#Comparison Cheers, Luis _______________________________________________ Linux-audio-dev mailing list Linux-audio-dev@... http://lists.linuxaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-audio-dev |
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Re: FLTK vs GTKmm
by David Robillard-3
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On Mon, 2009-08-10 at 11:06 +0200, Christian wrote:
> Thorsten Wilms schrieb: > > All examples of FLTK I know of look horribly out of place on a modern > > desktop. Like, the 80ies want their GUIs back! > > > > > Well you can design an fltk gui pretty well. > GTKmm guis are always using your desktop theme which might be bad, too. Ick! Using the desktop theme is not bad! The user chose it for a reason! Less atrocious and weird looking "skinned" UI's designed by seemingly half-blind artistically retarded programmers, please :) -dr (half-blind artistically retarded programmer who at least knows it) _______________________________________________ Linux-audio-dev mailing list Linux-audio-dev@... http://lists.linuxaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-audio-dev |
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Re: FLTK vs GTKmm
by Jens M Andreasen-2
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On Mon, 2009-08-10 at 12:10 -0400, David Robillard wrote: > Ick! Using the desktop theme is not bad! The user chose it for a > reason! The default GTK+ Theme in the incarnation of Mandriva I have here is absolutely stunning and good looking ... But redraws at a crawl when the machine is close to full rt-dsp load. Hey, you can even watch how it paints the faders in gnome-volume-control from right to left when there is no load /at all./ Really, an Atari ST is more responsive. Another theme supplied with this dist (La-Ora Grey) looks almost as good and works just fine under heavy load. Now tell me again, what was the reason for choosing this theme rather than that theme? _______________________________________________ Linux-audio-dev mailing list Linux-audio-dev@... http://lists.linuxaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-audio-dev |
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Re: FLTK vs GTKmm
by David Robillard-3
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On Mon, 2009-08-10 at 18:31 +0200, Jens M Andreasen wrote:
> On Mon, 2009-08-10 at 12:10 -0400, David Robillard wrote: > > > > Ick! Using the desktop theme is not bad! The user chose it for a > > reason! > > The default GTK+ Theme in the incarnation of Mandriva I have here is > absolutely stunning and good looking ... But redraws at a crawl when the > machine is close to full rt-dsp load. Hey, you can even watch how it > paints the faders in gnome-volume-control from right to left when there > is no load /at all./ Really, an Atari ST is more responsive. > > Another theme supplied with this dist (La-Ora Grey) looks almost as good > and works just fine under heavy load. > > Now tell me again, what was the reason for choosing this theme rather > than that theme? ... in other words, being able to choose your theme is nice? Indeed ;) -dr _______________________________________________ Linux-audio-dev mailing list Linux-audio-dev@... http://lists.linuxaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-audio-dev |
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Re: FLTK vs GTKmm
by Jens M Andreasen-2
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On Mon, 2009-08-10 at 13:57 -0400, David Robillard wrote: > > Now tell me again, what was the reason for choosing this theme rather > > than that theme? > > ... in other words, being able to choose your theme is nice? > Yes, but why is UNIX always by default configured in the least useful way? > Indeed ;) > > -dr > > _______________________________________________ Linux-audio-dev mailing list Linux-audio-dev@... http://lists.linuxaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-audio-dev |
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Re: FLTK vs GTKmm
by Patrick Shirkey
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On 08/11/2009 04:05 AM, Jens M Andreasen wrote: On Mon, 2009-08-10 at 13:57 -0400, David Robillard wrote: I'm sure that someone is getting their kicks out of it. As a comparison on my 64 bit version of Gnome I find the default theme to be very responsive... Patrick Shirkey Boost Hardware Ltd
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Re: FLTK vs GTKmm
by Jens M Andreasen-2
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On Tue, 2009-08-11 at 04:14 +1000, Patrick Shirkey wrote: > As a comparison on my 64 bit version of Gnome I find the default theme > to be very responsive... As a comparison, the machine I have today is the equivalent of a Cray2 - the most outrageous 200KW 'supercomputer' of the time when (the quite responsive) Atari/Amiga were the bread and butter machines for audio/video hackers. Spending that much clockcycles on screen redraws of bland widgets just ain't sane anymore. Ohh, and I forgot: I even have a graphics card on top with computational power exceeding that of the Cray2 by a factor of four ... Still feels like my Linux desktop will be forever stuck on pear with that of a Spectrum-48 :-/ /j _______________________________________________ Linux-audio-dev mailing list Linux-audio-dev@... http://lists.linuxaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-audio-dev |
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Re: FLTK vs GTKmm
by Patrick Shirkey
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On 08/11/2009 04:42 AM, Jens M Andreasen wrote: On Tue, 2009-08-11 at 04:14 +1000, Patrick Shirkey wrote: Isn't this Sergey's Law? i.e. The faster the hardware becomes, the slower the software performs... I think he has tried to start a movement against this unwritten law of computing. I can't recall the name right now though. Patrick Shirkey Boost Hardware Ltd /j _______________________________________________ Linux-audio-dev mailing list Linux-audio-dev@... http://lists.linuxaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-audio-dev |
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Re: FLTK vs GTKmm
by David Robillard-3
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On Mon, 2009-08-10 at 20:05 +0200, Jens M Andreasen wrote:
> On Mon, 2009-08-10 at 13:57 -0400, David Robillard wrote: > > > > Now tell me again, what was the reason for choosing this theme rather > > > than that theme? > > > > ... in other words, being able to choose your theme is nice? > > > > Yes, but why is UNIX always by default configured in the least useful > way? My default theme, and that on most distributions, is stock ClearLooks, which is both attractive and relatively fast (and colour configurable) as far as I can tell. If your slowness is truly as bad as your description suggests, it sounds like you may have an X/driver/configuration problem. -dr _______________________________________________ Linux-audio-dev mailing list Linux-audio-dev@... http://lists.linuxaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-audio-dev |
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Re: FLTK vs GTKmm
by David Robillard-3
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On Mon, 2009-08-10 at 20:42 +0200, Jens M Andreasen wrote:
> Spending that much clockcycles on screen redraws of bland widgets just > ain't sane anymore. Ohh, and I forgot: I even have a graphics card on > top with computational power exceeding that of the Cray2 by a factor of > four ... Still feels like my Linux desktop will be forever stuck on pear > with that of a Spectrum-48 :-/ Let me guess.... Nvidia? Proprietary drivers? -dr _______________________________________________ Linux-audio-dev mailing list Linux-audio-dev@... http://lists.linuxaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-audio-dev |
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