Facelets 1.2

[mike.sauer]

For those of us evaluating facelets for recommendation for use in our organizations it is troubling that questions such as these regarding the status/roadmap of facelets go unanswered.  Can anyone please provide some reassurance and updates?

>On 5/22/07, Jason Suplizio <suplizio@...> wrote:
>
>I need to know that as well (even a ballpark). We're putting a timeline
>together for facelets adoption and this is very important to us.
>
>
>On 5/22/07, Ian Springer <ian.springer@...> wrote:
>>
>> Hello Jacob,
>>
>> What new features are planned for Facelets 1.2 and is there an estimate
>> for when it will be released?
>>
>> Thanks.
>> Ian

[Zetterman Erik]

I totally agree.

We're evaluating the framework right now and the lack of information regarding the future is my major concern.

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For those of us evaluating facelets for recommendation for use in our organizations it is troubling that questions such as these regarding the status/roadmap of facelets go unanswered.  Can anyone please provide some reassurance and updates?

>On 5/22/07, Jason Suplizio <suplizio@...> wrote:
>
>I need to know that as well (even a ballpark). We're putting a timeline

>together for facelets adoption and this is very important to us.
>
>
>On 5/22/07, Ian Springer <ian.springer@...> wrote:
>>
>> Hello Jacob,
>>
>> What new features are planned for Facelets 1.2 and is there an estimate
>> for when it will be released?
>>
>> Thanks.
>> Ian

[Jan Vissers]

+1

Zetterman Erik wrote:

> I totally agree.
> We're evaluating the framework right now and the lack of information
> regarding the future is my major concern.
>
> *Från:* mike.sauer@... [mailto:mike.sauer@...]
> *Skickat:* den 29 maj 2007 13:39
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> *Ämne:* Facelets 1.2
>
>
> For those of us evaluating facelets for recommendation for use in our
> organizations it is troubling that questions such as these regarding
> the status/roadmap of facelets go unanswered.  Can anyone please
> provide some reassurance and updates?
>
> >On 5/22/07, Jason Suplizio <suplizio@...> wrote:
> >
> >I need to know that as well (even a ballpark). We're putting a timeline
> >together for facelets adoption and this is very important to us.
> >
> >
> >On 5/22/07, Ian Springer <ian.springer@...> wrote:
> >>
> >> Hello Jacob,
> >>
> >> What new features are planned for Facelets 1.2 and is there an estimate
> >> for when it will be released?
> >>
> >> Thanks.
> >> Ian
>

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[Adam Brod-4]

I wouldn't recommend you adopt Facelets if you are looking for additional functionality.  The current version of Facelets is very good and stable.  That said, there are some open defects that aren't being addressed (you can browse the project issues to get a sense for the pace of bug fixes).  

The JSF 2.0 Expert Group is seriously considering incorporating something very similar to Facelets in JSF 2.0.  I presume that the developers of Facelets (primarily Jacob Hookum and Adam Winer) would be working on that specification and implementation.  Perhaps with Facelets as a starting point.

If you are considering JSF 2.0, then I would strongly, strongly recommend Facelets over JSP.  There are so many defects in the JSP/JSF integration that Facelets is 1000% better.  JSP 2.1 is supposedly much better, but still not as good as Facelets.  

I've been on this mailing list for a while now.  In general, there doesn't appear to be much active development of Facelets.  The dev team isn't super active on the mailing list anymore, but there is a very nice community of Facelets users that will help you out if you have questions.  

This is all my opinion and conjecture, but I hope it gives you some more information to help you make your decision.

Adam Brod
Product Development Team

From:	"Zetterman Erik" <Erik.Zetterman@...>
To:	<users@...>
Date:	05/29/2007 08:02 AM
Subject:	SV:  Facelets 1.2

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I totally agree.
We're evaluating the framework right now and the lack of information regarding the future is my major concern.

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For those of us evaluating facelets for recommendation for use in our organizations it is troubling that questions such as these regarding the status/roadmap of facelets go unanswered.  Can anyone please provide some reassurance and updates?

>On 5/22/07, Jason Suplizio <suplizio@...> wrote:
>
>I need to know that as well (even a ballpark). We're putting a timeline
>together for facelets adoption and this is very important to us.
>
>
>On 5/22/07, Ian Springer <ian.springer@...> wrote:
>>
>> Hello Jacob,
>>
>> What new features are planned for Facelets 1.2 and is there an estimate
>> for when it will be released?
>>
>> Thanks.
>> Ian

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[Andrew Robinson-5]

Why do you need facelets 1.2? What in 1.1.x doesn't fit your requirements?

Facelets has been really stable for us and I haven't been waiting for
a new release at all. In fact, I was perfectly happy on 1.0.14 until
another 3rd party control required us to upgrade to 1.1.x.

The only concern should be bug fix turn around time I would think and
not new features. In that case I haven't seen any bug fixes in quite a
while, but then again I haven't hit any of the bugs.

-Andrew

On 5/29/07, mike.sauer@... <mike.sauer@...> wrote:

>
> For those of us evaluating facelets for recommendation for use in our
> organizations it is troubling that questions such as these regarding the
> status/roadmap of facelets go unanswered.  Can anyone please provide some
> reassurance and updates?
>
> >On 5/22/07, Jason Suplizio <suplizio@...> wrote:
>  >
> >I need to know that as well (even a ballpark). We're putting a timeline
>  >together for facelets adoption and this is very important to us.
>  >
>  >
>  >On 5/22/07, Ian Springer <ian.springer@...> wrote:
>  >>
>  >> Hello Jacob,
>  >>
>  >> What new features are planned for Facelets 1.2 and is there an estimate
>  >> for when it will be released?
>  >>
>  >> Thanks.
>  >> Ian
>
>

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[mike.sauer]

I do not necessarily need facelets 1.2 (I am currently using the draft 1.1.12).  The concern is that questions regarding the status of Facelets 1.2 and Facelets 1.1.12 (draft since December) have been asked a number of times but I do not recall seeing any answers.  I am sure there are good reasons why there are draft versions of 1.2 and 1.1.12 out there and it would be nice to know that work is still going on and that they are going to be released as stable versions at some point.
This is important to me since I just submitted a bug regarding the use of Facelets in portlets and I am concerned that this bug and any others will get addressed.
While I really like what I have seen in Facelets, the seeming inactivity makes be somewhat hesitant to recommend its use for a large development organization and that is unfortunate since I think it has a lot of benefits.

"Andrew Robinson" <andrew.rw.robinson@...> wrote on 05/29/2007 12:17:20 PM:

> Why do you need facelets 1.2? What in 1.1.x doesn't fit your requirements?
>
> Facelets has been really stable for us and I haven't been waiting for
> a new release at all. In fact, I was perfectly happy on 1.0.14 until
> another 3rd party control required us to upgrade to 1.1.x.
>
> The only concern should be bug fix turn around time I would think and
> not new features. In that case I haven't seen any bug fixes in quite a
> while, but then again I haven't hit any of the bugs.
>
> -Andrew
>
> On 5/29/07, mike.sauer@... <mike.sauer@...> wrote:
> >
> > For those of us evaluating facelets for recommendation for use in our
> > organizations it is troubling that questions such as these regarding the
> > status/roadmap of facelets go unanswered.  Can anyone please provide some
> > reassurance and updates?
> >
> > >On 5/22/07, Jason Suplizio <suplizio@...> wrote:
> >  >
> > >I need to know that as well (even a ballpark). We're putting a timeline
> >  >together for facelets adoption and this is very important to us.
> >  >
> >  >
> >  >On 5/22/07, Ian Springer <ian.springer@...> wrote:
> >  >>
> >  >> Hello Jacob,
> >  >>
> >  >> What new features are planned for Facelets 1.2 and is there an estimate
> >  >> for when it will be released?
> >  >>
> >  >> Thanks.
> >  >> Ian
> >
> >
>
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[Cracauer, Dave]

I'm going to jump into this one and share my experience with the project.  We have some special needs from a templating system (I won't get into them here.)  We currently have an internally modified version of Tiles that we use with our Struts application.  We want to move our development to Seam/Facelets, but we need to be able to support the same functionality.  There are a few changes to Facelets that would make this much easier.  For example, there are a couple classes (can't recall off of the top of my head) that are final that we could subclass to fit our needs.  I've verified this by building my own version of Facelets and building a small prototype.  It would also be nice if our custom resource resolver was always called ( it doesn't seem to be for source tags, or when referring to a template .)

Even if we didn't have these needs, I would still have concerns about using Facelets for our new projects.  When planning a project, I like to be sure that if we run across a bug in the libraries we are using, it will get fixed.  We're willing to fix bugs, but I haven't seen a process for getting patches applied.

Unfortunately (or fortunately), since Facelets is so much better than JSP when using JSF, we're faced with the potential of managing our own internal branch of Facelets if we need to make changes.  We don't like this, but we'll probably end up doing it.

-----Original Message-----
From: Andrew Robinson [andrew.rw.robinson@...]
Sent: Tue 5/29/2007 11:17 AM
To: users@...
Subject:  Re: Facelets 1.2

Why do you need facelets 1.2? What in 1.1.x doesn't fit your requirements?

Facelets has been really stable for us and I haven't been waiting for
a new release at all. In fact, I was perfectly happy on 1.0.14 until
another 3rd party control required us to upgrade to 1.1.x.

The only concern should be bug fix turn around time I would think and
not new features. In that case I haven't seen any bug fixes in quite a
while, but then again I haven't hit any of the bugs.

-Andrew

On 5/29/07, mike.sauer@... <mike.sauer@...> wrote:
>
> For those of us evaluating facelets for recommendation for use in our
> organizations it is troubling that questions such as these regarding the
> status/roadmap of facelets go unanswered.  Can anyone please provide some
> reassurance and updates?
>
> >On 5/22/07, Jason Suplizio <suplizio@...> wrote:
>  >
> >I need to know that as well (even a ballpark). We're putting a timeline
>  >together for facelets adoption and this is very important to us.
>  >
>  >
>  >On 5/22/07, Ian Springer <ian.springer@...> wrote:
>  >>
>  >> Hello Jacob,
>  >>
>  >> What new features are planned for Facelets 1.2 and is there an estimate
>  >> for when it will be released?
>  >>
>  >> Thanks.
>  >> Ian
>
>

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[jsuplizio]

Is this thread dead? There still are several questions left unanswered - which adds a good deal of FUD around Facelets.

On 5/29/07, Cracauer, Dave <dcracauer@...> wrote:

I'm going to jump into this one and share my experience with the project.  We have some special needs from a templating system (I won't get into them here.)  We currently have an internally modified version of Tiles that we use with our Struts application.  We want to move our development to Seam/Facelets, but we need to be able to support the same functionality.  There are a few changes to Facelets that would make this much easier.  For example, there are a couple classes (can't recall off of the top of my head) that are final that we could subclass to fit our needs.  I've verified this by building my own version of Facelets and building a small prototype.  It would also be nice if our custom resource resolver was always called ( it doesn't seem to be for source tags, or when referring to a template .)

Even if we didn't have these needs, I would still have concerns about using Facelets for our new projects.  When planning a project, I like to be sure that if we run across a bug in the libraries we are using, it will get fixed.  We're willing to fix bugs, but I haven't seen a process for getting patches applied.

Unfortunately (or fortunately), since Facelets is so much better than JSP when using JSF, we're faced with the potential of managing our own internal branch of Facelets if we need to make changes.  We don't like this, but we'll probably end up doing it.

-----Original Message-----
From: Andrew Robinson [andrew.rw.robinson@...]
Sent: Tue 5/29/2007 11:17 AM
To: users@...

Subject:  Re: Facelets 1.2

Why do you need facelets 1.2? What in 1.1.x doesn't fit your requirements?

Facelets has been really stable for us and I haven't been waiting for
a new release at all. In fact, I was perfectly happy on 1.0.14 until
another 3rd party control required us to upgrade to 1.1.x.

The only concern should be bug fix turn around time I would think and
not new features. In that case I haven't seen any bug fixes in quite a
while, but then again I haven't hit any of the bugs.

-Andrew

On 5/29/07, mike.sauer@... <mike.sauer@...> wrote:
>
> For those of us evaluating facelets for recommendation for use in our
> organizations it is troubling that questions such as these regarding the
> status/roadmap of facelets go unanswered.  Can anyone please provide some
> reassurance and updates?
>
> >On 5/22/07, Jason Suplizio <suplizio@...> wrote:
>  >
> >I need to know that as well (even a ballpark). We're putting a timeline
>  >together for facelets adoption and this is very important to us.
>  >
>  >
>  >On 5/22/07, Ian Springer <ian.springer@...> wrote:
>  >>
>  >> Hello Jacob,
>  >>
>  >> What new features are planned for Facelets 1.2 and is there an estimate
>  >> for when it will be released?
>  >>
>  >> Thanks.
>  >> Ian
>
>

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[Brian Smith-13]

I think the prevailing school of thought is Facelets 1.1.11 is quite stable and there is a wait and see attitude when it comes to JSF 2.0 (it may incorporate some or much of facelets), which would make developing a new version of Facelets sort of a waste of time.

Just my perception

-Brian

On 5/31/07, Jason Suplizio <suplizio@...> wrote:

Is this thread dead? There still are several questions left unanswered - which adds a good deal of FUD around Facelets.

On 5/29/07, Cracauer, Dave <dcracauer@...> wrote:

I'm going to jump into this one and share my experience with the project.  We have some special needs from a templating system (I won't get into them here.)  We currently have an internally modified version of Tiles that we use with our Struts application.  We want to move our development to Seam/Facelets, but we need to be able to support the same functionality.  There are a few changes to Facelets that would make this much easier.  For example, there are a couple classes (can't recall off of the top of my head) that are final that we could subclass to fit our needs.  I've verified this by building my own version of Facelets and building a small prototype.  It would also be nice if our custom resource resolver was always called ( it doesn't seem to be for source tags, or when referring to a template .)

Even if we didn't have these needs, I would still have concerns about using Facelets for our new projects.  When planning a project, I like to be sure that if we run across a bug in the libraries we are using, it will get fixed.  We're willing to fix bugs, but I haven't seen a process for getting patches applied.

Unfortunately (or fortunately), since Facelets is so much better than JSP when using JSF, we're faced with the potential of managing our own internal branch of Facelets if we need to make changes.  We don't like this, but we'll probably end up doing it.

-----Original Message-----
From: Andrew Robinson [andrew.rw.robinson@...]
Sent: Tue 5/29/2007 11:17 AM
To: users@...

Subject:  Re: Facelets 1.2

Why do you need facelets 1.2? What in 1.1.x doesn't fit your requirements?

Facelets has been really stable for us and I haven't been waiting for
a new release at all. In fact, I was perfectly happy on 1.0.14 until
another 3rd party control required us to upgrade to 1.1.x.

The only concern should be bug fix turn around time I would think and
not new features. In that case I haven't seen any bug fixes in quite a
while, but then again I haven't hit any of the bugs.

-Andrew

On 5/29/07, mike.sauer@... <mike.sauer@...> wrote:
>
> For those of us evaluating facelets for recommendation for use in our
> organizations it is troubling that questions such as these regarding the
> status/roadmap of facelets go unanswered.  Can anyone please provide some
> reassurance and updates?
>
> >On 5/22/07, Jason Suplizio <suplizio@...> wrote:
>  >
> >I need to know that as well (even a ballpark). We're putting a timeline
>  >together for facelets adoption and this is very important to us.
>  >
>  >
>  >On 5/22/07, Ian Springer <ian.springer@...> wrote:
>  >>
>  >> Hello Jacob,
>  >>
>  >> What new features are planned for Facelets 1.2 and is there an estimate
>  >> for when it will be released?
>  >>
>  >> Thanks.
>  >> Ian
>
>

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[Mike Kienenberger]

There's a couple of minor features I'd like to see in 1.1.x (ability
to specify generic attribute names explicitly in the taglib.xml and
ability to specify method binding signatures in the taglib.xml file),
but I haven't felt motivated enough yet to sit down and create a
patch.

1.1.11 is perfectly stable for my needs and I wouldn't be motivated to
upgrade at this point in time.

On 5/31/07, Brian Smith <unobriani@...> wrote:

> I think the prevailing school of thought is Facelets 1.1.11 is quite stable
> and there is a wait and see attitude when it comes to JSF 2.0 (it may
> incorporate some or much of facelets), which would make developing a new
> version of Facelets sort of a waste of time.
>
> Just my perception
>
> -Brian
>
>
> On 5/31/07, Jason Suplizio <suplizio@...> wrote:
> > Is this thread dead? There still are several questions left unanswered -
> which adds a good deal of FUD around Facelets.
> >
> >
> >
> > On 5/29/07, Cracauer, Dave < dcracauer@...> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I'm going to jump into this one and share my experience with the
> project.  We have some special needs from a templating system (I won't get
> into them here.)  We currently have an internally modified version of Tiles
> that we use with our Struts application.  We want to move our development to
> Seam/Facelets, but we need to be able to support the same functionality.
> There are a few changes to Facelets that would make this much easier.  For
> example, there are a couple classes (can't recall off of the top of my head)
> that are final that we could subclass to fit our needs.  I've verified this
> by building my own version of Facelets and building a small prototype.  It
> would also be nice if our custom resource resolver was always called ( it
> doesn't seem to be for source tags, or when referring to a template .)
> > >
> > > Even if we didn't have these needs, I would still have concerns about
> using Facelets for our new projects.  When planning a project, I like to be
> sure that if we run across a bug in the libraries we are using, it will get
> fixed.  We're willing to fix bugs, but I haven't seen a process for getting
> patches applied.
> > >
> > > Unfortunately (or fortunately), since Facelets is so much better than
> JSP when using JSF, we're faced with the potential of managing our own
> internal branch of Facelets if we need to make changes.  We don't like this,
> but we'll probably end up doing it.
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Andrew Robinson
> [mailto:andrew.rw.robinson@...]
> > > Sent: Tue 5/29/2007 11:17 AM
> > > To: users@...
> > >
> > > Subject:  Re: Facelets 1.2
> > >
> > > Why do you need facelets 1.2? What in 1.1.x doesn't fit your
> requirements?
> > >
> > > Facelets has been really stable for us and I haven't been waiting for
> > > a new release at all. In fact, I was perfectly happy on 1.0.14 until
> > > another 3rd party control required us to upgrade to 1.1.x.
> > >
> > > The only concern should be bug fix turn around time I would think and
> > > not new features. In that case I haven't seen any bug fixes in quite a
> > > while, but then again I haven't hit any of the bugs.
> > >
> > > -Andrew
> > >
> > > On 5/29/07, mike.sauer@... < mike.sauer@...> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > For those of us evaluating facelets for recommendation for use in our
> > > > organizations it is troubling that questions such as these regarding
> the
> > > > status/roadmap of facelets go unanswered.  Can anyone please provide
> some
> > > > reassurance and updates?
> > > >
> > > > >On 5/22/07, Jason Suplizio <suplizio@...> wrote:
> > > >  >
> > > > >I need to know that as well (even a ballpark). We're putting a
> timeline
> > > >  >together for facelets adoption and this is very important to us.
> > > >  >
> > > >  >
> > > >  >On 5/22/07, Ian Springer <ian.springer@...> wrote:
> > > >  >>
> > > >  >> Hello Jacob,
> > > >  >>
> > > >  >> What new features are planned for Facelets 1.2 and is there an
> estimate
> > > >  >> for when it will be released?
> > > >  >>
> > > >  >> Thanks.
> > > >  >> Ian
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
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[jsuplizio]

Thanks! I needed a message to convey to upper management as we're beginning to roll out a huge JSF/Facelet adoption plan....

On 5/31/07, Mike Kienenberger <mkienenb@...> wrote:

There's a couple of minor features I'd like to see in 1.1.x (ability
to specify generic attribute names explicitly in the taglib.xml and
ability to specify method binding signatures in the taglib.xml file),
but I haven't felt motivated enough yet to sit down and create a
patch.

1.1.11 is perfectly stable for my needs and I wouldn't be motivated to
upgrade at this point in time.

On 5/31/07, Brian Smith <unobriani@... > wrote:

> I think the prevailing school of thought is Facelets 1.1.11 is quite stable
> and there is a wait and see attitude when it comes to JSF 2.0 (it may
> incorporate some or much of facelets), which would make developing a new
> version of Facelets sort of a waste of time.
>
> Just my perception
>
> -Brian
>
>
> On 5/31/07, Jason Suplizio <suplizio@...> wrote:
> > Is this thread dead? There still are several questions left unanswered -
> which adds a good deal of FUD around Facelets.
> >
> >
> >
> > On 5/29/07, Cracauer, Dave < dcracauer@...> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I'm going to jump into this one and share my experience with the

> project.  We have some special needs from a templating system (I won't get

> into them here.)  We currently have an internally modified version of Tiles
> that we use with our Struts application.  We want to move our development to
> Seam/Facelets, but we need to be able to support the same functionality.
> There are a few changes to Facelets that would make this much easier.  For
> example, there are a couple classes (can't recall off of the top of my head)
> that are final that we could subclass to fit our needs.  I've verified this
> by building my own version of Facelets and building a small prototype.  It
> would also be nice if our custom resource resolver was always called ( it
> doesn't seem to be for source tags, or when referring to a template .)
> > >
> > > Even if we didn't have these needs, I would still have concerns about
> using Facelets for our new projects.  When planning a project, I like to be
> sure that if we run across a bug in the libraries we are using, it will get
> fixed.  We're willing to fix bugs, but I haven't seen a process for getting
> patches applied.
> > >

> > > Unfortunately (or fortunately), since Facelets is so much better than

> JSP when using JSF, we're faced with the potential of managing our own
> internal branch of Facelets if we need to make changes.  We don't like this,
> but we'll probably end up doing it.
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Andrew Robinson
> [mailto:andrew.rw.robinson@...]
> > > Sent: Tue 5/29/2007 11:17 AM
> > > To: users@...
> > >
> > > Subject:  Re: Facelets 1.2
> > >
> > > Why do you need facelets 1.2? What in 1.1.x doesn't fit your
> requirements?
> > >
> > > Facelets has been really stable for us and I haven't been waiting for
> > > a new release at all. In fact, I was perfectly happy on 1.0.14 until
> > > another 3rd party control required us to upgrade to 1.1.x.
> > >
> > > The only concern should be bug fix turn around time I would think and
> > > not new features. In that case I haven't seen any bug fixes in quite a
> > > while, but then again I haven't hit any of the bugs.
> > >
> > > -Andrew
> > >
> > > On 5/29/07, mike.sauer@... < mike.sauer@...> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > For those of us evaluating facelets for recommendation for use in our
> > > > organizations it is troubling that questions such as these regarding
> the
> > > > status/roadmap of facelets go unanswered.  Can anyone please provide
> some
> > > > reassurance and updates?
> > > >
> > > > >On 5/22/07, Jason Suplizio < suplizio@...> wrote:
> > > >  >
> > > > >I need to know that as well (even a ballpark). We're putting a
> timeline
> > > >  >together for facelets adoption and this is very important to us.
> > > >  >
> > > >  >
> > > >  >On 5/22/07, Ian Springer <ian.springer@...> wrote:
> > > >  >>
> > > >  >> Hello Jacob,
> > > >  >>
> > > >  >> What new features are planned for Facelets 1.2 and is there an
> estimate
> > > >  >> for when it will be released?
> > > >  >>
> > > >  >> Thanks.
> > > >  >> Ian
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
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> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
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> >
> > "Never think that war, no matter how necessary, nor how justified, is not
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[Jesse Alexander (KSFH 323)]

Same applies here... 1.1.11 perfectly stable with SUN-RI JSF 1.2
on a J2EE 1.4 appserver.

And for longterm security there is the manifested will to see
facelets-stuff
in JSF 2.0

regards
Alexander

-----Original Message-----
From: Mike Kienenberger [mailto:mkienenb@...]
Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 6:57 PM
To: users@...
Subject: Re: Re: Facelets 1.2

There's a couple of minor features I'd like to see in 1.1.x (ability
to specify generic attribute names explicitly in the taglib.xml and
ability to specify method binding signatures in the taglib.xml file),
but I haven't felt motivated enough yet to sit down and create a
patch.

1.1.11 is perfectly stable for my needs and I wouldn't be motivated to
upgrade at this point in time.

On 5/31/07, Brian Smith <unobriani@...> wrote:
> I think the prevailing school of thought is Facelets 1.1.11 is quite
stable
> and there is a wait and see attitude when it comes to JSF 2.0 (it may
> incorporate some or much of facelets), which would make developing a
new
> version of Facelets sort of a waste of time.
>
> Just my perception
>
> -Brian
>
>
> On 5/31/07, Jason Suplizio <suplizio@...> wrote:
> > Is this thread dead? There still are several questions left
unanswered -

> which adds a good deal of FUD around Facelets.
> >
> >
> >
> > On 5/29/07, Cracauer, Dave < dcracauer@...> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I'm going to jump into this one and share my experience with the
> project.  We have some special needs from a templating system (I won't

get
> into them here.)  We currently have an internally modified version of
Tiles
> that we use with our Struts application.  We want to move our
development to
> Seam/Facelets, but we need to be able to support the same
functionality.
> There are a few changes to Facelets that would make this much easier.
For
> example, there are a couple classes (can't recall off of the top of my
head)
> that are final that we could subclass to fit our needs.  I've verified
this
> by building my own version of Facelets and building a small prototype.
It
> would also be nice if our custom resource resolver was always called (
it
> doesn't seem to be for source tags, or when referring to a template .)
> > >
> > > Even if we didn't have these needs, I would still have concerns
about
> using Facelets for our new projects.  When planning a project, I like
to be
> sure that if we run across a bug in the libraries we are using, it
will get
> fixed.  We're willing to fix bugs, but I haven't seen a process for
getting
> patches applied.
> > >
> > > Unfortunately (or fortunately), since Facelets is so much better
than
> JSP when using JSF, we're faced with the potential of managing our own
> internal branch of Facelets if we need to make changes.  We don't like
this,

> but we'll probably end up doing it.
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Andrew Robinson
> [mailto:andrew.rw.robinson@...]
> > > Sent: Tue 5/29/2007 11:17 AM
> > > To: users@...
> > >
> > > Subject:  Re: Facelets 1.2
> > >
> > > Why do you need facelets 1.2? What in 1.1.x doesn't fit your
> requirements?
> > >
> > > Facelets has been really stable for us and I haven't been waiting

for
> > > a new release at all. In fact, I was perfectly happy on 1.0.14
until
> > > another 3rd party control required us to upgrade to 1.1.x.
> > >
> > > The only concern should be bug fix turn around time I would think
and
> > > not new features. In that case I haven't seen any bug fixes in
quite a
> > > while, but then again I haven't hit any of the bugs.
> > >
> > > -Andrew
> > >
> > > On 5/29/07, mike.sauer@... < mike.sauer@...>
wrote:
> > > >
> > > > For those of us evaluating facelets for recommendation for use
in our
> > > > organizations it is troubling that questions such as these
regarding
> the
> > > > status/roadmap of facelets go unanswered.  Can anyone please
provide
> some
> > > > reassurance and updates?
> > > >
> > > > >On 5/22/07, Jason Suplizio <suplizio@...> wrote:
> > > >  >
> > > > >I need to know that as well (even a ballpark). We're putting a
> timeline
> > > >  >together for facelets adoption and this is very important to
us.
> > > >  >
> > > >  >
> > > >  >On 5/22/07, Ian Springer <ian.springer@...> wrote:
> > > >  >>
> > > >  >> Hello Jacob,
> > > >  >>
> > > >  >> What new features are planned for Facelets 1.2 and is there
an

> estimate
> > > >  >> for when it will be released?
> > > >  >>
> > > >  >> Thanks.
> > > >  >> Ian
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
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> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > "Be the change you wish to see in the world." - Mahatma Ganhdi
> >
> > "Never think that war, no matter how necessary, nor how justified,

is not
> a crime. "
> > Earnest Hemingway
>
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[TRIFILETTI, Mel]

Isn't there a major issue with 1.1.11 where ui:repeats suddenly stop
working. I have been waiting for release which includes the patch for
sometime...

-----Original Message-----
From: Jesse Alexander (KSFD 121)
[mailto:alexander.jesse@...]
Sent: Friday, 1 June 2007 3:10 AM
To: users@...
Subject: RE: Re: Re: Facelets 1.2

Same applies here... 1.1.11 perfectly stable with SUN-RI JSF 1.2 on a
J2EE 1.4 appserver.

And for longterm security there is the manifested will to see
facelets-stuff in JSF 2.0

regards
Alexander

-----Original Message-----
From: Mike Kienenberger [mailto:mkienenb@...]
Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 6:57 PM
To: users@...
Subject: Re: Re: Facelets 1.2

There's a couple of minor features I'd like to see in 1.1.x (ability to
specify generic attribute names explicitly in the taglib.xml and ability
to specify method binding signatures in the taglib.xml file), but I
haven't felt motivated enough yet to sit down and create a patch.

1.1.11 is perfectly stable for my needs and I wouldn't be motivated to
upgrade at this point in time.

On 5/31/07, Brian Smith <unobriani@...> wrote:
> I think the prevailing school of thought is Facelets 1.1.11 is quite
stable
> and there is a wait and see attitude when it comes to JSF 2.0 (it may
> incorporate some or much of facelets), which would make developing a
new
> version of Facelets sort of a waste of time.
>
> Just my perception
>
> -Brian
>
>
> On 5/31/07, Jason Suplizio <suplizio@...> wrote:
> > Is this thread dead? There still are several questions left
unanswered -

> which adds a good deal of FUD around Facelets.
> >
> >
> >
> > On 5/29/07, Cracauer, Dave < dcracauer@...> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I'm going to jump into this one and share my experience with the
> project.  We have some special needs from a templating system (I won't

get
> into them here.)  We currently have an internally modified version of
Tiles
> that we use with our Struts application.  We want to move our
development to
> Seam/Facelets, but we need to be able to support the same
functionality.
> There are a few changes to Facelets that would make this much easier.
For
> example, there are a couple classes (can't recall off of the top of my
head)
> that are final that we could subclass to fit our needs.  I've verified
this
> by building my own version of Facelets and building a small prototype.
It
> would also be nice if our custom resource resolver was always called (
it
> doesn't seem to be for source tags, or when referring to a template .)
> > >
> > > Even if we didn't have these needs, I would still have concerns
about
> using Facelets for our new projects.  When planning a project, I like
to be
> sure that if we run across a bug in the libraries we are using, it
will get
> fixed.  We're willing to fix bugs, but I haven't seen a process for
getting
> patches applied.
> > >
> > > Unfortunately (or fortunately), since Facelets is so much better
than
> JSP when using JSF, we're faced with the potential of managing our own

> internal branch of Facelets if we need to make changes.  We don't like
this,

> but we'll probably end up doing it.
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Andrew Robinson
> [mailto:andrew.rw.robinson@...]
> > > Sent: Tue 5/29/2007 11:17 AM
> > > To: users@...
> > >
> > > Subject:  Re: Facelets 1.2
> > >
> > > Why do you need facelets 1.2? What in 1.1.x doesn't fit your
> requirements?
> > >
> > > Facelets has been really stable for us and I haven't been waiting

for
> > > a new release at all. In fact, I was perfectly happy on 1.0.14
until
> > > another 3rd party control required us to upgrade to 1.1.x.
> > >
> > > The only concern should be bug fix turn around time I would think
and
> > > not new features. In that case I haven't seen any bug fixes in
quite a
> > > while, but then again I haven't hit any of the bugs.
> > >
> > > -Andrew
> > >
> > > On 5/29/07, mike.sauer@... < mike.sauer@...>
wrote:
> > > >
> > > > For those of us evaluating facelets for recommendation for use
in our
> > > > organizations it is troubling that questions such as these
regarding
> the
> > > > status/roadmap of facelets go unanswered.  Can anyone please
provide
> some
> > > > reassurance and updates?
> > > >
> > > > >On 5/22/07, Jason Suplizio <suplizio@...> wrote:
> > > >  >
> > > > >I need to know that as well (even a ballpark). We're putting a
> timeline
> > > >  >together for facelets adoption and this is very important to
us.
> > > >  >
> > > >  >
> > > >  >On 5/22/07, Ian Springer <ian.springer@...> wrote:
> > > >  >>
> > > >  >> Hello Jacob,
> > > >  >>
> > > >  >> What new features are planned for Facelets 1.2 and is there
an

> estimate
> > > >  >> for when it will be released?
> > > >  >>
> > > >  >> Thanks.
> > > >  >> Ian
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
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> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > "Be the change you wish to see in the world." - Mahatma Ganhdi
> >
> > "Never think that war, no matter how necessary, nor how justified,

is not
> a crime. "
> > Earnest Hemingway
>
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[mike.sauer]

Also, if 1.1.11 is the stable, best release, why is there a 1.1.12 that is sitting in beta?  It must have been created for some reason.
That to me is a source of FUD.


"TRIFILETTI, Mel" <mel.TRIFILETTI@...> wrote on 05/31/2007 11:51:47 PM:

>
> Isn't there a major issue with 1.1.11 where ui:repeats suddenly stop
> working. I have been waiting for release which includes the patch for
> sometime...
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jesse Alexander (KSFD 121)
> [mailto:alexander.jesse@...]
>
> Sent: Friday, 1 June 2007 3:10 AM
> To: users@...
> Subject: RE: Re: Re: Facelets 1.2
>
> Same applies here... 1.1.11 perfectly stable with SUN-RI JSF 1.2 on a
> J2EE 1.4 appserver.
>
> And for longterm security there is the manifested will to see
> facelets-stuff in JSF 2.0
>
> regards
> Alexander
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mike Kienenberger [mailto:mkienenb@...]
> Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 6:57 PM
> To: users@...
> Subject: Re: Re: Facelets 1.2
>
> There's a couple of minor features I'd like to see in 1.1.x (ability to
> specify generic attribute names explicitly in the taglib.xml and ability
> to specify method binding signatures in the taglib.xml file), but I
> haven't felt motivated enough yet to sit down and create a patch.
>
> 1.1.11 is perfectly stable for my needs and I wouldn't be motivated to
> upgrade at this point in time.
>
> On 5/31/07, Brian Smith <unobriani@...> wrote:
> > I think the prevailing school of thought is Facelets 1.1.11 is quite
> stable
> > and there is a wait and see attitude when it comes to JSF 2.0 (it may
>
> > incorporate some or much of facelets), which would make developing a
> new
> > version of Facelets sort of a waste of time.
> >
> > Just my perception
> >
> > -Brian
> >
> >
> > On 5/31/07, Jason Suplizio <suplizio@...> wrote:
> > > Is this thread dead? There still are several questions left
> unanswered -
> > which adds a good deal of FUD around Facelets.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On 5/29/07, Cracauer, Dave < dcracauer@...> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I'm going to jump into this one and share my experience with the
> > project.  We have some special needs from a templating system (I won't
> get
> > into them here.)  We currently have an internally modified version of
> Tiles
> > that we use with our Struts application.  We want to move our
> development to
> > Seam/Facelets, but we need to be able to support the same
> functionality.
> > There are a few changes to Facelets that would make this much easier.
> For
> > example, there are a couple classes (can't recall off of the top of my
> head)
> > that are final that we could subclass to fit our needs.  I've verified
> this
> > by building my own version of Facelets and building a small prototype.
> It
> > would also be nice if our custom resource resolver was always called (
> it
> > doesn't seem to be for source tags, or when referring to a template .)
> > > >
> > > > Even if we didn't have these needs, I would still have concerns
> about
> > using Facelets for our new projects.  When planning a project, I like
> to be
> > sure that if we run across a bug in the libraries we are using, it
> will get
> > fixed.  We're willing to fix bugs, but I haven't seen a process for
> getting
> > patches applied.
> > > >
> > > > Unfortunately (or fortunately), since Facelets is so much better
> than
> > JSP when using JSF, we're faced with the potential of managing our own
>
> > internal branch of Facelets if we need to make changes.  We don't like
> this,
> > but we'll probably end up doing it.
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Andrew Robinson
> > [mailto:andrew.rw.robinson@...]
> > > > Sent: Tue 5/29/2007 11:17 AM
> > > > To: users@...
> > > >
> > > > Subject:  Re: Facelets 1.2
> > > >
> > > > Why do you need facelets 1.2? What in 1.1.x doesn't fit your
> > requirements?
> > > >
> > > > Facelets has been really stable for us and I haven't been waiting
> for
> > > > a new release at all. In fact, I was perfectly happy on 1.0.14
> until
> > > > another 3rd party control required us to upgrade to 1.1.x.
> > > >
> > > > The only concern should be bug fix turn around time I would think
> and
> > > > not new features. In that case I haven't seen any bug fixes in
> quite a
> > > > while, but then again I haven't hit any of the bugs.
> > > >
> > > > -Andrew
> > > >
> > > > On 5/29/07, mike.sauer@... < mike.sauer@...>
> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > For those of us evaluating facelets for recommendation for use
> in our
> > > > > organizations it is troubling that questions such as these
> regarding
> > the
> > > > > status/roadmap of facelets go unanswered.  Can anyone please
> provide
> > some
> > > > > reassurance and updates?
> > > > >
> > > > > >On 5/22/07, Jason Suplizio <suplizio@...> wrote:
> > > > >  >
> > > > > >I need to know that as well (even a ballpark). We're putting a
> > timeline
> > > > >  >together for facelets adoption and this is very important to
> us.
> > > > >  >
> > > > >  >
> > > > >  >On 5/22/07, Ian Springer <ian.springer@...> wrote:
> > > > >  >>
> > > > >  >> Hello Jacob,
> > > > >  >>
> > > > >  >> What new features are planned for Facelets 1.2 and is there
> an
> > estimate
> > > > >  >> for when it will be released?
> > > > >  >>
> > > > >  >> Thanks.
> > > > >  >> Ian
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > "Be the change you wish to see in the world." - Mahatma Ganhdi
> > >
> > > "Never think that war, no matter how necessary, nor how justified,
> is not
> > a crime. "
> > > Earnest Hemingway
> >
> >
>
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[Mike Kienenberger]

The ui:repeat issue is caused by a bug in the Sun JVM.   Read the issue.

On 5/31/07, TRIFILETTI, Mel <mel.TRIFILETTI@...> wrote:

>
> Isn't there a major issue with 1.1.11 where ui:repeats suddenly stop
> working. I have been waiting for release which includes the patch for
> sometime...
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jesse Alexander (KSFD 121)
> [mailto:alexander.jesse@...]
> Sent: Friday, 1 June 2007 3:10 AM
> To: users@...
> Subject: RE: Re: Re: Facelets 1.2
>
> Same applies here... 1.1.11 perfectly stable with SUN-RI JSF 1.2 on a
> J2EE 1.4 appserver.
>
> And for longterm security there is the manifested will to see
> facelets-stuff in JSF 2.0
>
> regards
> Alexander
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mike Kienenberger [mailto:mkienenb@...]
> Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 6:57 PM
> To: users@...
> Subject: Re: Re: Facelets 1.2
>
> There's a couple of minor features I'd like to see in 1.1.x (ability to
> specify generic attribute names explicitly in the taglib.xml and ability
> to specify method binding signatures in the taglib.xml file), but I
> haven't felt motivated enough yet to sit down and create a patch.
>
> 1.1.11 is perfectly stable for my needs and I wouldn't be motivated to
> upgrade at this point in time.
>
> On 5/31/07, Brian Smith <unobriani@...> wrote:
> > I think the prevailing school of thought is Facelets 1.1.11 is quite
> stable
> > and there is a wait and see attitude when it comes to JSF 2.0 (it may
> > incorporate some or much of facelets), which would make developing a
> new
> > version of Facelets sort of a waste of time.
> >
> > Just my perception
> >
> > -Brian
> >
> >
> > On 5/31/07, Jason Suplizio <suplizio@...> wrote:
> > > Is this thread dead? There still are several questions left
> unanswered -
> > which adds a good deal of FUD around Facelets.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On 5/29/07, Cracauer, Dave < dcracauer@...> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I'm going to jump into this one and share my experience with the
> > project.  We have some special needs from a templating system (I won't
> get
> > into them here.)  We currently have an internally modified version of
> Tiles
> > that we use with our Struts application.  We want to move our
> development to
> > Seam/Facelets, but we need to be able to support the same
> functionality.
> > There are a few changes to Facelets that would make this much easier.
> For
> > example, there are a couple classes (can't recall off of the top of my
> head)
> > that are final that we could subclass to fit our needs.  I've verified
> this
> > by building my own version of Facelets and building a small prototype.
> It
> > would also be nice if our custom resource resolver was always called (
> it
> > doesn't seem to be for source tags, or when referring to a template .)
> > > >
> > > > Even if we didn't have these needs, I would still have concerns
> about
> > using Facelets for our new projects.  When planning a project, I like
> to be
> > sure that if we run across a bug in the libraries we are using, it
> will get
> > fixed.  We're willing to fix bugs, but I haven't seen a process for
> getting
> > patches applied.
> > > >
> > > > Unfortunately (or fortunately), since Facelets is so much better
> than
> > JSP when using JSF, we're faced with the potential of managing our own
>
> > internal branch of Facelets if we need to make changes.  We don't like
> this,
> > but we'll probably end up doing it.
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Andrew Robinson
> > [mailto:andrew.rw.robinson@...]
> > > > Sent: Tue 5/29/2007 11:17 AM
> > > > To: users@...
> > > >
> > > > Subject:  Re: Facelets 1.2
> > > >
> > > > Why do you need facelets 1.2? What in 1.1.x doesn't fit your
> > requirements?
> > > >
> > > > Facelets has been really stable for us and I haven't been waiting
> for
> > > > a new release at all. In fact, I was perfectly happy on 1.0.14
> until
> > > > another 3rd party control required us to upgrade to 1.1.x.
> > > >
> > > > The only concern should be bug fix turn around time I would think
> and
> > > > not new features. In that case I haven't seen any bug fixes in
> quite a
> > > > while, but then again I haven't hit any of the bugs.
> > > >
> > > > -Andrew
> > > >
> > > > On 5/29/07, mike.sauer@... < mike.sauer@...>
> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > For those of us evaluating facelets for recommendation for use
> in our
> > > > > organizations it is troubling that questions such as these
> regarding
> > the
> > > > > status/roadmap of facelets go unanswered.  Can anyone please
> provide
> > some
> > > > > reassurance and updates?
> > > > >
> > > > > >On 5/22/07, Jason Suplizio <suplizio@...> wrote:
> > > > >  >
> > > > > >I need to know that as well (even a ballpark). We're putting a
> > timeline
> > > > >  >together for facelets adoption and this is very important to
> us.
> > > > >  >
> > > > >  >
> > > > >  >On 5/22/07, Ian Springer <ian.springer@...> wrote:
> > > > >  >>
> > > > >  >> Hello Jacob,
> > > > >  >>
> > > > >  >> What new features are planned for Facelets 1.2 and is there
> an
> > estimate
> > > > >  >> for when it will be released?
> > > > >  >>
> > > > >  >> Thanks.
> > > > >  >> Ian
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
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> > >
> > > "Never think that war, no matter how necessary, nor how justified,
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> > a crime. "
> > > Earnest Hemingway
> >
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[Cracauer, Dave]

Talking about specific bugs and whether or not the current version is 'good enough' misses the point in my opinion. To me, the real issue is that
Facelets really isn't being worked on, and users have no way of providing patches.

-----Original Message-----
From: Mike Kienenberger [mkienenb@...]
Sent: Fri 6/1/2007 8:36 AM
To: users@...
Subject:  Re: Re: Re: Facelets 1.2

The ui:repeat issue is caused by a bug in the Sun JVM.   Read the issue.

On 5/31/07, TRIFILETTI, Mel <mel.TRIFILETTI@...> wrote:
>
> Isn't there a major issue with 1.1.11 where ui:repeats suddenly stop
> working. I have been waiting for release which includes the patch for
> sometime...
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jesse Alexander (KSFD 121)
> [alexander.jesse@...]
> Sent: Friday, 1 June 2007 3:10 AM
> To: users@...
> Subject: RE: Re: Re: Facelets 1.2
>
> Same applies here... 1.1.11 perfectly stable with SUN-RI JSF 1.2 on a
> J2EE 1.4 appserver.
>
> And for longterm security there is the manifested will to see
> facelets-stuff in JSF 2.0
>
> regards
> Alexander
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mike Kienenberger [mkienenb@...]
> Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 6:57 PM
> To: users@...
> Subject: Re: Re: Facelets 1.2
>
> There's a couple of minor features I'd like to see in 1.1.x (ability to
> specify generic attribute names explicitly in the taglib.xml and ability
> to specify method binding signatures in the taglib.xml file), but I
> haven't felt motivated enough yet to sit down and create a patch.
>
> 1.1.11 is perfectly stable for my needs and I wouldn't be motivated to
> upgrade at this point in time.
>
> On 5/31/07, Brian Smith <unobriani@...> wrote:
> > I think the prevailing school of thought is Facelets 1.1.11 is quite
> stable
> > and there is a wait and see attitude when it comes to JSF 2.0 (it may
> > incorporate some or much of facelets), which would make developing a
> new
> > version of Facelets sort of a waste of time.
> >
> > Just my perception
> >
> > -Brian
> >
> >
> > On 5/31/07, Jason Suplizio <suplizio@...> wrote:
> > > Is this thread dead? There still are several questions left
> unanswered -
> > which adds a good deal of FUD around Facelets.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On 5/29/07, Cracauer, Dave < dcracauer@...> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I'm going to jump into this one and share my experience with the
> > project.  We have some special needs from a templating system (I won't
> get
> > into them here.)  We currently have an internally modified version of
> Tiles
> > that we use with our Struts application.  We want to move our
> development to
> > Seam/Facelets, but we need to be able to support the same
> functionality.
> > There are a few changes to Facelets that would make this much easier.
> For
> > example, there are a couple classes (can't recall off of the top of my
> head)
> > that are final that we could subclass to fit our needs.  I've verified
> this
> > by building my own version of Facelets and building a small prototype.
> It
> > would also be nice if our custom resource resolver was always called (
> it
> > doesn't seem to be for source tags, or when referring to a template .)
> > > >
> > > > Even if we didn't have these needs, I would still have concerns
> about
> > using Facelets for our new projects.  When planning a project, I like
> to be
> > sure that if we run across a bug in the libraries we are using, it
> will get
> > fixed.  We're willing to fix bugs, but I haven't seen a process for
> getting
> > patches applied.
> > > >
> > > > Unfortunately (or fortunately), since Facelets is so much better
> than
> > JSP when using JSF, we're faced with the potential of managing our own
>
> > internal branch of Facelets if we need to make changes.  We don't like
> this,
> > but we'll probably end up doing it.
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Andrew Robinson
> > [andrew.rw.robinson@...]
> > > > Sent: Tue 5/29/2007 11:17 AM
> > > > To: users@...
> > > >
> > > > Subject:  Re: Facelets 1.2
> > > >
> > > > Why do you need facelets 1.2? What in 1.1.x doesn't fit your
> > requirements?
> > > >
> > > > Facelets has been really stable for us and I haven't been waiting
> for
> > > > a new release at all. In fact, I was perfectly happy on 1.0.14
> until
> > > > another 3rd party control required us to upgrade to 1.1.x.
> > > >
> > > > The only concern should be bug fix turn around time I would think
> and
> > > > not new features. In that case I haven't seen any bug fixes in
> quite a
> > > > while, but then again I haven't hit any of the bugs.
> > > >
> > > > -Andrew
> > > >
> > > > On 5/29/07, mike.sauer@... < mike.sauer@...>
> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > For those of us evaluating facelets for recommendation for use
> in our
> > > > > organizations it is troubling that questions such as these
> regarding
> > the
> > > > > status/roadmap of facelets go unanswered.  Can anyone please
> provide
> > some
> > > > > reassurance and updates?
> > > > >
> > > > > >On 5/22/07, Jason Suplizio <suplizio@...> wrote:
> > > > >  >
> > > > > >I need to know that as well (even a ballpark). We're putting a
> > timeline
> > > > >  >together for facelets adoption and this is very important to
> us.
> > > > >  >
> > > > >  >
> > > > >  >On 5/22/07, Ian Springer <ian.springer@...> wrote:
> > > > >  >>
> > > > >  >> Hello Jacob,
> > > > >  >>
> > > > >  >> What new features are planned for Facelets 1.2 and is there
> an
> > estimate
> > > > >  >> for when it will be released?
> > > > >  >>
> > > > >  >> Thanks.
> > > > >  >> Ian
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
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> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > "Be the change you wish to see in the world." - Mahatma Ganhdi
> > >
> > > "Never think that war, no matter how necessary, nor how justified,
> is not
> > a crime. "
> > > Earnest Hemingway
> >
> >
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[Jason Lee]

On 6/1/07, Cracauer, Dave <dcracauer@...> wrote:

Talking about specific bugs and whether or not the current version is 'good enough' misses the point in my opinion. To me, the real issue is that Facelets really isn't being worked on, and users have no way of providing patches.

I hate to be pedantic, but you *do* have a way to submit patches:  file an issue and attach the patch.  Getting it applied might be trickier, but I'm sure with a little persistence, it wouldn't be too hard to get commit privs to the tree.

--
Jason Lee, SCJP
JSF RI Dev Team
http://blogs.steeplesoft.com

[Jacob Hookom]

I've been needing to refocus a bit on my day job with additional responsibilities.  I'm open to adding additional (active JSF) developers with commit access in order to pick up the torch for a bit.

Email me directly if you are interested in contributing a few cycles to getting some releases out--

On 6/1/07, Cracauer, Dave <dcracauer@...> wrote: Talking about specific bugs and whether or not the current version is 'good enough' misses the point in my opinion. To me, the real issue is that Facelets really isn't being worked on, and users have no way of providing patches. I hate to be pedantic, but you *do* have a way to submit patches:  file an issue and attach the patch.  Getting it applied might be trickier, but I'm sure with a little persistence, it wouldn't be too hard to get commit privs to the tree. -- Jason Lee, SCJP JSF RI Dev Team http://blogs.steeplesoft.com

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[Mike Kienenberger]

1) It's open source -- as you yourself stated in a previous message,
you can make your own local patches.

2) Being "good enough" is the goal of all software.   I'll take "good
enough" software with a slow maintenance cycle over "active community"
and buggy/incomplete software any day.   When I put something in
production, my goal is to not ever touch it again.   That's the real
issue being asked in this thread -- should facelets be used?

Even so, your comment about facelets not being worked on isn't
correct.   Several patches were applied last month.

Have you submitted any patches?

Also note that the classes declared final were done so for a reason --
to keep the public facelets api simple.   You will need to justify any
removal of final beyond just submitting patches for your specific edge
use case.


On 6/1/07, Cracauer, Dave <dcracauer@...> wrote:

>
>
>
> Talking about specific bugs and whether or not the current version is 'good
> enough' misses the point in my opinion. To me, the real issue is that
>  Facelets really isn't being worked on, and users have no way of providing
> patches.
>
>  -----Original Message-----
>  From: Mike Kienenberger [mailto:mkienenb@...]
>  Sent: Fri 6/1/2007 8:36 AM
>  To: users@...
>  Subject:  Re: Re: Re: Facelets 1.2
>
>  The ui:repeat issue is caused by a bug in the Sun JVM.   Read the issue.
>
>  On 5/31/07, TRIFILETTI, Mel <mel.TRIFILETTI@...> wrote:
>  >
>  > Isn't there a major issue with 1.1.11 where ui:repeats suddenly stop
>  > working. I have been waiting for release which includes the patch for
>  > sometime...
>  >
>  > -----Original Message-----
>  > From: Jesse Alexander (KSFD 121)
>  > [mailto:alexander.jesse@...]
>  > Sent: Friday, 1 June 2007 3:10 AM
>  > To: users@...
>  > Subject: RE: Re: Re: Facelets 1.2
>  >
>  > Same applies here... 1.1.11 perfectly stable with SUN-RI JSF 1.2 on a
>  > J2EE 1.4 appserver.
>  >
>  > And for longterm security there is the manifested will to see
>  > facelets-stuff in JSF 2.0
>  >
>  > regards
>  > Alexander
>  >
>  > -----Original Message-----
>  > From: Mike Kienenberger [mailto:mkienenb@...]
>  > Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 6:57 PM
>  > To: users@...
>  > Subject: Re: Re: Facelets 1.2
>  >
>  > There's a couple of minor features I'd like to see in 1.1.x (ability to
>  > specify generic attribute names explicitly in the taglib.xml and ability
>  > to specify method binding signatures in the taglib.xml file), but I
>  > haven't felt motivated enough yet to sit down and create a patch.
>  >
>  > 1.1.11 is perfectly stable for my needs and I wouldn't be motivated to
>  > upgrade at this point in time.
>  >
>  > On 5/31/07, Brian Smith <unobriani@...> wrote:
>  > > I think the prevailing school of thought is Facelets 1.1.11 is quite
>  > stable
>  > > and there is a wait and see attitude when it comes to JSF 2.0 (it may
>  > > incorporate some or much of facelets), which would make developing a
>  > new
>  > > version of Facelets sort of a waste of time.
>  > >
>  > > Just my perception
>  > >
>  > > -Brian
>  > >
>  > >
>  > > On 5/31/07, Jason Suplizio <suplizio@...> wrote:
>  > > > Is this thread dead? There still are several questions left
>  > unanswered -
>  > > which adds a good deal of FUD around Facelets.
>  > > >
>  > > >
>  > > >
>  > > > On 5/29/07, Cracauer, Dave < dcracauer@...> wrote:
>  > > > >
>  > > > >
>  > > > >
>  > > > > I'm going to jump into this one and share my experience with the
>  > > project.  We have some special needs from a templating system (I won't
>  > get
>  > > into them here.)  We currently have an internally modified version of
>  > Tiles
>  > > that we use with our Struts application.  We want to move our
>  > development to
>  > > Seam/Facelets, but we need to be able to support the same
>  > functionality.
>  > > There are a few changes to Facelets that would make this much easier.
>  > For
>  > > example, there are a couple classes (can't recall off of the top of my
>  > head)
>  > > that are final that we could subclass to fit our needs.  I've verified
>  > this
>  > > by building my own version of Facelets and building a small prototype.
>  > It
>  > > would also be nice if our custom resource resolver was always called (
>  > it
>  > > doesn't seem to be for source tags, or when referring to a template .)
>  > > > >
>  > > > > Even if we didn't have these needs, I would still have concerns
>  > about
>  > > using Facelets for our new projects.  When planning a project, I like
>  > to be
>  > > sure that if we run across a bug in the libraries we are using, it
>  > will get
>  > > fixed.  We're willing to fix bugs, but I haven't seen a process for
>  > getting
>  > > patches applied.
>  > > > >
>  > > > > Unfortunately (or fortunately), since Facelets is so much better
>  > than
>  > > JSP when using JSF, we're faced with the potential of managing our own
>  >
>  > > internal branch of Facelets if we need to make changes.  We don't like
>  > this,
>  > > but we'll probably end up doing it.
>  > > > >
>  > > > > -----Original Message-----
>  > > > > From: Andrew Robinson
>  > > [mailto:andrew.rw.robinson@...]
>  > > > > Sent: Tue 5/29/2007 11:17 AM
>  > > > > To: users@...
>  > > > >
>  > > > > Subject:  Re: Facelets 1.2
>  > > > >
>  > > > > Why do you need facelets 1.2? What in 1.1.x doesn't fit your
>  > > requirements?
>  > > > >
>  > > > > Facelets has been really stable for us and I haven't been waiting
>  > for
>  > > > > a new release at all. In fact, I was perfectly happy on 1.0.14
>  > until
>  > > > > another 3rd party control required us to upgrade to 1.1.x.
>  > > > >
>  > > > > The only concern should be bug fix turn around time I would think
>  > and
>  > > > > not new features. In that case I haven't seen any bug fixes in
>  > quite a
>  > > > > while, but then again I haven't hit any of the bugs.
>  > > > >
>  > > > > -Andrew
>  > > > >
>  > > > > On 5/29/07, mike.sauer@... < mike.sauer@...>
>  > wrote:
>  > > > > >
>  > > > > > For those of us evaluating facelets for recommendation for use
>  > in our
>  > > > > > organizations it is troubling that questions such as these
>  > regarding
>  > > the
>  > > > > > status/roadmap of facelets go unanswered.  Can anyone please
>  > provide
>  > > some
>  > > > > > reassurance and updates?
>  > > > > >
>  > > > > > >On 5/22/07, Jason Suplizio <suplizio@...> wrote:
>  > > > > >  >
>  > > > > > >I need to know that as well (even a ballpark). We're putting a
>  > > timeline
>  > > > > >  >together for facelets adoption and this is very important to
>  > us.
>  > > > > >  >
>  > > > > >  >
>  > > > > >  >On 5/22/07, Ian Springer <ian.springer@...> wrote:
>  > > > > >  >>
>  > > > > >  >> Hello Jacob,
>  > > > > >  >>
>  > > > > >  >> What new features are planned for Facelets 1.2 and is there
>  > an
>  > > estimate
>  > > > > >  >> for when it will be released?
>  > > > > >  >>
>  > > > > >  >> Thanks.
>  > > > > >  >> Ian
>  > > > > >
>  > > > > >
>  > > > >
>  > > > >
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>  > > >
>  > > >
>  > > > --
>  > > > "Be the change you wish to see in the world." - Mahatma Ganhdi
>  > > >
>  > > > "Never think that war, no matter how necessary, nor how justified,
>  > is not
>  > > a crime. "
>  > > > Earnest Hemingway
>  > >
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[Cracauer, Dave]

>1) It's open source -- as you yourself stated in a previous message,
>you can make your own local patches.

This is true.  We've done this in the past and decided that this is our last and least desirable option.

>2) Being "good enough" is the goal of all software.   I'll take "good
>enough" software with a slow maintenance cycle over "active community"
>and buggy/incomplete software any day.   When I put something in
>production, my goal is to not ever touch it again.   That's the real
>issue being asked in this thread -- should facelets be used?


>Even so, your comment about facelets not being worked on isn't
>correct.   Several patches were applied last month.

This is really great to hear and is very encouraging.

>Have you submitted any patches?

I haven't yet.  We were really waiting to see how things panned out.  Should I patch against 1.1.2? 1.2? main line?
Since we're going to be using Seam, does Seam or will they soon support the version I need to patch?


>Also note that the classes declared final were done so for a reason --
>to keep the public facelets api simple.   You will need to justify any
>removal of final beyond just submitting patches for your specific edge
>use case.

I understand the usage of final, and was only using it as an example of where I had issues.  This is a case where keeping the api simple makes it less flexible. Also, though ours may be an edge case, we are not the only ones needed to work around this issue.  I was able to arrive at my current solution because of the help I received from another user on the mailing list.

I don't mean to denigrate the work that is/has been done on Facelets nor the developers that do it.  I really think its great, and can't wait until I can get our app off of struts and onto something a little more modern.  I only mean to highlight our adoption issues and concerns.


-----Original Message-----
From: Mike Kienenberger [mailto:mkienenb@...]
Sent: Fri 6/1/2007 9:00 AM
To: users@...
Subject:  Re: Re: Re: Re: Facelets 1.2
 
1) It's open source -- as you yourself stated in a previous message,
you can make your own local patches.

2) Being "good enough" is the goal of all software.   I'll take "good
enough" software with a slow maintenance cycle over "active community"
and buggy/incomplete software any day.   When I put something in
production, my goal is to not ever touch it again.   That's the real
issue being asked in this thread -- should facelets be used?

Even so, your comment about facelets not being worked on isn't
correct.   Several patches were applied last month.

Have you submitted any patches?

Also note that the classes declared final were done so for a reason --
to keep the public facelets api simple.   You will need to justify any
removal of final beyond just submitting patches for your specific edge
use case.


On 6/1/07, Cracauer, Dave <dcracauer@...> wrote:

>
>
>
> Talking about specific bugs and whether or not the current version is 'good
> enough' misses the point in my opinion. To me, the real issue is that
>  Facelets really isn't being worked on, and users have no way of providing
> patches.
>
>  -----Original Message-----
>  From: Mike Kienenberger [mailto:mkienenb@...]
>  Sent: Fri 6/1/2007 8:36 AM
>  To: users@...
>  Subject:  Re: Re: Re: Facelets 1.2
>
>  The ui:repeat issue is caused by a bug in the Sun JVM.   Read the issue.
>
>  On 5/31/07, TRIFILETTI, Mel <mel.TRIFILETTI@...> wrote:
>  >
>  > Isn't there a major issue with 1.1.11 where ui:repeats suddenly stop
>  > working. I have been waiting for release which includes the patch for
>  > sometime...
>  >
>  > -----Original Message-----
>  > From: Jesse Alexander (KSFD 121)
>  > [mailto:alexander.jesse@...]
>  > Sent: Friday, 1 June 2007 3:10 AM
>  > To: users@...
>  > Subject: RE: Re: Re: Facelets 1.2
>  >
>  > Same applies here... 1.1.11 perfectly stable with SUN-RI JSF 1.2 on a
>  > J2EE 1.4 appserver.
>  >
>  > And for longterm security there is the manifested will to see
>  > facelets-stuff in JSF 2.0
>  >
>  > regards
>  > Alexander
>  >
>  > -----Original Message-----
>  > From: Mike Kienenberger [mailto:mkienenb@...]
>  > Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 6:57 PM
>  > To: users@...
>  > Subject: Re: Re: Facelets 1.2
>  >
>  > There's a couple of minor features I'd like to see in 1.1.x (ability to
>  > specify generic attribute names explicitly in the taglib.xml and ability
>  > to specify method binding signatures in the taglib.xml file), but I
>  > haven't felt motivated enough yet to sit down and create a patch.
>  >
>  > 1.1.11 is perfectly stable for my needs and I wouldn't be motivated to
>  > upgrade at this point in time.
>  >
>  > On 5/31/07, Brian Smith <unobriani@...> wrote:
>  > > I think the prevailing school of thought is Facelets 1.1.11 is quite
>  > stable
>  > > and there is a wait and see attitude when it comes to JSF 2.0 (it may
>  > > incorporate some or much of facelets), which would make developing a
>  > new
>  > > version of Facelets sort of a waste of time.
>  > >
>  > > Just my perception
>  > >
>  > > -Brian
>  > >
>  > >
>  > > On 5/31/07, Jason Suplizio <suplizio@...> wrote:
>  > > > Is this thread dead? There still are several questions left
>  > unanswered -
>  > > which adds a good deal of FUD around Facelets.
>  > > >
>  > > >
>  > > >
>  > > > On 5/29/07, Cracauer, Dave < dcracauer@...> wrote:
>  > > > >
>  > > > >
>  > > > >
>  > > > > I'm going to jump into this one and share my experience with the
>  > > project.  We have some special needs from a templating system (I won't
>  > get
>  > > into them here.)  We currently have an internally modified version of
>  > Tiles
>  > > that we use with our Struts application.  We want to move our
>  > development to
>  > > Seam/Facelets, but we need to be able to support the same
>  > functionality.
>  > > There are a few changes to Facelets that would make this much easier.
>  > For
>  > > example, there are a couple classes (can't recall off of the top of my
>  > head)
>  > > that are final that we could subclass to fit our needs.  I've verified
>  > this
>  > > by building my own version of Facelets and building a small prototype.
>  > It
>  > > would also be nice if our custom resource resolver was always called (
>  > it
>  > > doesn't seem to be for source tags, or when referring to a template .)
>  > > > >
>  > > > > Even if we didn't have these needs, I would still have concerns
>  > about
>  > > using Facelets for our new projects.  When planning a project, I like
>  > to be
>  > > sure that if we run across a bug in the libraries we are using, it
>  > will get
>  > > fixed.  We're willing to fix bugs, but I haven't seen a process for
>  > getting
>  > > patches applied.
>  > > > >
>  > > > > Unfortunately (or fortunately), since Facelets is so much better
>  > than
>  > > JSP when using JSF, we're faced with the potential of managing our own
>  >
>  > > internal branch of Facelets if we need to make changes.  We don't like
>  > this,
>  > > but we'll probably end up doing it.
>  > > > >
>  > > > > -----Original Message-----
>  > > > > From: Andrew Robinson
>  > > [mailto:andrew.rw.robinson@...]
>  > > > > Sent: Tue 5/29/2007 11:17 AM
>  > > > > To: users@...
>  > > > >
>  > > > > Subject:  Re: Facelets 1.2
>  > > > >
>  > > > > Why do you need facelets 1.2? What in 1.1.x doesn't fit your
>  > > requirements?
>  > > > >
>  > > > > Facelets has been really stable for us and I haven't been waiting
>  > for
>  > > > > a new release at all. In fact, I was perfectly happy on 1.0.14
>  > until
>  > > > > another 3rd party control required us to upgrade to 1.1.x.
>  > > > >
>  > > > > The only concern should be bug fix turn around time I would think
>  > and
>  > > > > not new features. In that case I haven't seen any bug fixes in
>  > quite a
>  > > > > while, but then again I haven't hit any of the bugs.
>  > > > >
>  > > > > -Andrew
>  > > > >
>  > > > > On 5/29/07, mike.sauer@... < mike.sauer@...>
>  > wrote:
>  > > > > >
>  > > > > > For those of us evaluating facelets for recommendation for use
>  > in our
>  > > > > > organizations it is troubling that questions such as these
>  > regarding
>  > > the
>  > > > > > status/roadmap of facelets go unanswered.  Can anyone please
>  > provide
>  > > some
>  > > > > > reassurance and updates?
>  > > > > >
>  > > > > > >On 5/22/07, Jason Suplizio <suplizio@...> wrote:
>  > > > > >  >
>  > > > > > >I need to know that as well (even a ballpark). We're putting a
>  > > timeline
>  > > > > >  >together for facelets adoption and this is very important to
>  > us.
>  > > > > >  >
>  > > > > >  >
>  > > > > >  >On 5/22/07, Ian Springer <ian.springer@...> wrote:
>  > > > > >  >>
>  > > > > >  >> Hello Jacob,
>  > > > > >  >>
>  > > > > >  >> What new features are planned for Facelets 1.2 and is there
>  > an
>  > > estimate
>  > > > > >  >> for when it will be released?
>  > > > > >  >>
>  > > > > >  >> Thanks.
>  > > > > >  >> Ian
>  > > > > >
>  > > > > >
>  > > > >
>  > > > >
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