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	Fancy quotes on Windows by James W. MacDonald :: Rate this Message: Reply to Author \| View Threaded \| Show Only this Message Hi, I don't use Windows as my primary OS anymore, so didn't notice this until recently. In R-2.10.0 under Windows useFancyQuotes is FALSE by default, but this doesn't seem to affect the rendering of (text) help pages. This is not a problem if I run via the Rgui or Rterm (via DOS prompt), as the help pages are rendered in a popup window that understands directional quotes. However, if I run under emacs/ESS, the help is rendered within emacs, which doesn't understand directional quotes, so any quoted text is surrounded by \221thetext\222, which is obviously difficult to read. Is there another setting that I am missing that affects the usage of directional quotes for the help pages? Thanks, Jim -- James W. MacDonald, M.S. Biostatistician Douglas Lab University of Michigan Department of Human Genetics 5912 Buhl 1241 E. Catherine St. Ann Arbor MI 48109-5618 734-615-7826 ______________________________________________ R-help@... mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help PLEASE do read the posting guide http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code.
	Re: Fancy quotes on Windows by Duncan Murdoch-2 :: Rate this Message: Reply to Author \| View Threaded \| Show Only this Message On 11/6/2009 10:40 AM, James W. MacDonald wrote: > Hi, > > I don't use Windows as my primary OS anymore, so didn't notice this > until recently. In R-2.10.0 under Windows useFancyQuotes is FALSE by > default, but this doesn't seem to affect the rendering of (text) help pages. > > This is not a problem if I run via the Rgui or Rterm (via DOS prompt), > as the help pages are rendered in a popup window that understands > directional quotes. However, if I run under emacs/ESS, the help is > rendered within emacs, which doesn't understand directional quotes, so > any quoted text is surrounded by \221thetext\222, which is obviously > difficult to read. > > Is there another setting that I am missing that affects the usage of > directional quotes for the help pages? I don't see this. Are you sure you haven't got a typo somewhere? When I run options("useFancyQuotes") in a new session, I see > options("useFancyQuotes") $useFancyQuotes [1] TRUE and when I ask for help, I see help pages that respect that choice, e.g. > ?mean gives ‘trim = 0’ in the description of x. If I set > options(useFancyQuotes=FALSE) > ?mean I see 'trim = 0'. Maybe if there's no typo, it's emacs or ESS that's messing up somehow. Duncan Murdoch ______________________________________________ R-help@... mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help PLEASE do read the posting guide http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code.
	Re: Fancy quotes on Windows by James W. MacDonald :: Rate this Message: Reply to Author \| View Threaded \| Show Only this Message Duncan Murdoch wrote: > On 11/6/2009 10:40 AM, James W. MacDonald wrote: >> Hi, >> >> I don't use Windows as my primary OS anymore, so didn't notice this >> until recently. In R-2.10.0 under Windows useFancyQuotes is FALSE by >> default, but this doesn't seem to affect the rendering of (text) help >> pages. >> >> This is not a problem if I run via the Rgui or Rterm (via DOS prompt), >> as the help pages are rendered in a popup window that understands >> directional quotes. However, if I run under emacs/ESS, the help is >> rendered within emacs, which doesn't understand directional quotes, so >> any quoted text is surrounded by \221thetext\222, which is obviously >> difficult to read. >> >> Is there another setting that I am missing that affects the usage of >> directional quotes for the help pages? > > I don't see this. Are you sure you haven't got a typo somewhere? Pretty sure. I get the opposite: Loading required package: utils > options("useFancyQuotes") $useFancyQuotes [1] FALSE > ?mean This is at a DOS prompt. In the popup box I get If ‘trim’ is zero (the default), the arithmetic mean of the values in ‘x’ is computed, as a numeric or complex vector of Also, from ?sQuote: Where fancy quotes are used, you should be aware that they may not be rendered correctly as not all fonts include the requisite glyphs: for example some have directional single quotes but not directional double quotes. This is particularly troublesome in Windows ‘Command Prompt’ windows, which by default are set up to run in the so-called OEM codepage, which in most locales uses a different encoding from Windows. Further, if the codepage is changed (with ‘chcp.exe’, e.g. to 1252 in a Western European language), the default raster fonts do not support the directional quotes. To work around this, the default for ‘options("useFancyQuotes")’ is ‘FALSE’ on Windows except for the ‘Rgui’ console. There fancy quotes work with the default Courier New font and more elegantly with Lucida Console and standard the CJK fonts, but directional double quotes are missing in raster fonts such as Courier and FixedSys. Best, Jim > > When I run options("useFancyQuotes") in a new session, I see > > > options("useFancyQuotes") > $useFancyQuotes > [1] TRUE > > and when I ask for help, I see help pages that respect that choice, e.g. > > > ?mean > > gives ‘trim = 0’ in the description of x. If I set > > > options(useFancyQuotes=FALSE) > > ?mean > > I see 'trim = 0'. > > Maybe if there's no typo, it's emacs or ESS that's messing up somehow. > > Duncan Murdoch -- James W. MacDonald, M.S. Biostatistician Douglas Lab University of Michigan Department of Human Genetics 5912 Buhl 1241 E. Catherine St. Ann Arbor MI 48109-5618 734-615-7826 ______________________________________________ R-help@... mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help PLEASE do read the posting guide http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code.
	Re: Fancy quotes on Windows by Duncan Murdoch-2 :: Rate this Message: Reply to Author \| View Threaded \| Show Only this Message On 11/6/2009 11:30 AM, James W. MacDonald wrote: > > Duncan Murdoch wrote: >> On 11/6/2009 10:40 AM, James W. MacDonald wrote: >>> Hi, >>> >>> I don't use Windows as my primary OS anymore, so didn't notice this >>> until recently. In R-2.10.0 under Windows useFancyQuotes is FALSE by >>> default, but this doesn't seem to affect the rendering of (text) help >>> pages. >>> >>> This is not a problem if I run via the Rgui or Rterm (via DOS prompt), >>> as the help pages are rendered in a popup window that understands >>> directional quotes. However, if I run under emacs/ESS, the help is >>> rendered within emacs, which doesn't understand directional quotes, so >>> any quoted text is surrounded by \221thetext\222, which is obviously >>> difficult to read. >>> >>> Is there another setting that I am missing that affects the usage of >>> directional quotes for the help pages? >> >> I don't see this. Are you sure you haven't got a typo somewhere? > > Pretty sure. I get the opposite: > > Loading required package: utils > > options("useFancyQuotes") > $useFancyQuotes > [1] FALSE > > > ?mean > > This is at a DOS prompt. In the popup box I get > Sorry, I should have realized that since you're using ESS. I was testing in Rgui. I see it now; I'll take a look... Duncan Murdoch > If ‘trim’ is zero (the default), the arithmetic mean of the > values in ‘x’ is computed, as a numeric or complex vector of > > Also, from ?sQuote: > > Where fancy quotes are used, you should be aware that they may not > be rendered correctly as not all fonts include the requisite > glyphs: for example some have directional single quotes but not > directional double quotes. This is particularly troublesome in > Windows ‘Command Prompt’ windows, which by default are set up > to run in the so-called OEM codepage, which in most locales uses a > different encoding from Windows. Further, if the codepage is > changed (with ‘chcp.exe’, e.g. to 1252 in a Western European > language), the default raster fonts do not support the directional > quotes. > > To work around this, the default for > ‘options("useFancyQuotes")’ is ‘FALSE’ on Windows except > for the ‘Rgui’ console. There fancy quotes work with the > default Courier New font and more elegantly with Lucida Console > and standard the CJK fonts, but directional double quotes are > missing in raster fonts such as Courier and FixedSys. > > Best, > > Jim > > > >> >> When I run options("useFancyQuotes") in a new session, I see >> >> > options("useFancyQuotes") >> $useFancyQuotes >> [1] TRUE >> >> and when I ask for help, I see help pages that respect that choice, e.g. >> >> > ?mean >> >> gives ‘trim = 0’ in the description of x. If I set >> >> > options(useFancyQuotes=FALSE) >> > ?mean >> >> I see 'trim = 0'. >> >> Maybe if there's no typo, it's emacs or ESS that's messing up somehow. >> >> Duncan Murdoch > ______________________________________________ R-help@... mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help PLEASE do read the posting guide http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code.
	Re: Fancy quotes on Windows by Duncan Murdoch-2 :: Rate this Message: Reply to Author \| View Threaded \| Show Only this Message On 11/6/2009 11:39 AM, Duncan Murdoch wrote: > On 11/6/2009 11:30 AM, James W. MacDonald wrote: >> >> Duncan Murdoch wrote: >>> On 11/6/2009 10:40 AM, James W. MacDonald wrote: >>>> Hi, >>>> >>>> I don't use Windows as my primary OS anymore, so didn't notice this >>>> until recently. In R-2.10.0 under Windows useFancyQuotes is FALSE by >>>> default, but this doesn't seem to affect the rendering of (text) help >>>> pages. >>>> >>>> This is not a problem if I run via the Rgui or Rterm (via DOS prompt), >>>> as the help pages are rendered in a popup window that understands >>>> directional quotes. However, if I run under emacs/ESS, the help is >>>> rendered within emacs, which doesn't understand directional quotes, so >>>> any quoted text is surrounded by \221thetext\222, which is obviously >>>> difficult to read. >>>> >>>> Is there another setting that I am missing that affects the usage of >>>> directional quotes for the help pages? >>> >>> I don't see this. Are you sure you haven't got a typo somewhere? >> >> Pretty sure. I get the opposite: >> >> Loading required package: utils >> > options("useFancyQuotes") >> $useFancyQuotes >> [1] FALSE >> >> > ?mean >> >> This is at a DOS prompt. In the popup box I get >> > > Sorry, I should have realized that since you're using ESS. I was > testing in Rgui. > > I see it now; I'll take a look... Now I don't see it. Something funny is going on... Duncan Murdoch > > Duncan Murdoch > >> If ‘trim’ is zero (the default), the arithmetic mean of the >> values in ‘x’ is computed, as a numeric or complex vector of >> >> Also, from ?sQuote: >> >> Where fancy quotes are used, you should be aware that they may not >> be rendered correctly as not all fonts include the requisite >> glyphs: for example some have directional single quotes but not >> directional double quotes. This is particularly troublesome in >> Windows ‘Command Prompt’ windows, which by default are set up >> to run in the so-called OEM codepage, which in most locales uses a >> different encoding from Windows. Further, if the codepage is >> changed (with ‘chcp.exe’, e.g. to 1252 in a Western European >> language), the default raster fonts do not support the directional >> quotes. >> >> To work around this, the default for >> ‘options("useFancyQuotes")’ is ‘FALSE’ on Windows except >> for the ‘Rgui’ console. There fancy quotes work with the >> default Courier New font and more elegantly with Lucida Console >> and standard the CJK fonts, but directional double quotes are >> missing in raster fonts such as Courier and FixedSys. >> >> Best, >> >> Jim >> >> >> >>> >>> When I run options("useFancyQuotes") in a new session, I see >>> >>> > options("useFancyQuotes") >>> $useFancyQuotes >>> [1] TRUE >>> >>> and when I ask for help, I see help pages that respect that choice, e.g. >>> >>> > ?mean >>> >>> gives ‘trim = 0’ in the description of x. If I set >>> >>> > options(useFancyQuotes=FALSE) >>> > ?mean >>> >>> I see 'trim = 0'. >>> >>> Maybe if there's no typo, it's emacs or ESS that's messing up somehow. >>> >>> Duncan Murdoch >> > > ______________________________________________ R-help@... mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help PLEASE do read the posting guide http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code.
	Re: Fancy quotes on Windows by Duncan Murdoch-2 :: Rate this Message: Reply to Author \| View Threaded \| Show Only this Message On 11/6/2009 11:30 AM, James W. MacDonald wrote: > > Duncan Murdoch wrote: >> On 11/6/2009 10:40 AM, James W. MacDonald wrote: >>> Hi, >>> >>> I don't use Windows as my primary OS anymore, so didn't notice this >>> until recently. In R-2.10.0 under Windows useFancyQuotes is FALSE by >>> default, but this doesn't seem to affect the rendering of (text) help >>> pages. >>> >>> This is not a problem if I run via the Rgui or Rterm (via DOS prompt), >>> as the help pages are rendered in a popup window that understands >>> directional quotes. However, if I run under emacs/ESS, the help is >>> rendered within emacs, which doesn't understand directional quotes, so >>> any quoted text is surrounded by \221thetext\222, which is obviously >>> difficult to read. >>> >>> Is there another setting that I am missing that affects the usage of >>> directional quotes for the help pages? >> >> I don't see this. Are you sure you haven't got a typo somewhere? > > Pretty sure. I get the opposite: > > Loading required package: utils > > options("useFancyQuotes") > $useFancyQuotes > [1] FALSE > > > ?mean > > This is at a DOS prompt. In the popup box I get > > If ‘trim’ is zero (the default), the arithmetic mean of the > values in ‘x’ is computed, as a numeric or complex vector of I think I saw this once, but have been unable to reproduce it since then. I may have had useFancyQuotes=TRUE on that one occasion. Since I can no longer reproduce this, and looking at the code shows no reason it shouldn't be deterministic, I'm going to have to give up on it. All I can suggest is that you should re-install R, preferably from the 2.10.0 patched version. It has a few bug fixes since the release, and whatever was causing the problem for you may have gone away. Duncan Murdoch > > Also, from ?sQuote: > > Where fancy quotes are used, you should be aware that they may not > be rendered correctly as not all fonts include the requisite > glyphs: for example some have directional single quotes but not > directional double quotes. This is particularly troublesome in > Windows ‘Command Prompt’ windows, which by default are set up > to run in the so-called OEM codepage, which in most locales uses a > different encoding from Windows. Further, if the codepage is > changed (with ‘chcp.exe’, e.g. to 1252 in a Western European > language), the default raster fonts do not support the directional > quotes. > > To work around this, the default for > ‘options("useFancyQuotes")’ is ‘FALSE’ on Windows except > for the ‘Rgui’ console. There fancy quotes work with the > default Courier New font and more elegantly with Lucida Console > and standard the CJK fonts, but directional double quotes are > missing in raster fonts such as Courier and FixedSys. > > Best, > > Jim > > > >> >> When I run options("useFancyQuotes") in a new session, I see >> >> > options("useFancyQuotes") >> $useFancyQuotes >> [1] TRUE >> >> and when I ask for help, I see help pages that respect that choice, e.g. >> >> > ?mean >> >> gives ‘trim = 0’ in the description of x. If I set >> >> > options(useFancyQuotes=FALSE) >> > ?mean >> >> I see 'trim = 0'. >> >> Maybe if there's no typo, it's emacs or ESS that's messing up somehow. >> >> Duncan Murdoch > ______________________________________________ R-help@... mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help PLEASE do read the posting guide http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code.
	Re: Fancy quotes on Windows by James W. MacDonald :: Rate this Message: Reply to Author \| View Threaded \| Show Only this Message Thanks Duncan, updating to R-patched was all I needed. Best, Jim Duncan Murdoch wrote: > On 11/6/2009 11:30 AM, James W. MacDonald wrote: >> >> Duncan Murdoch wrote: >>> On 11/6/2009 10:40 AM, James W. MacDonald wrote: >>>> Hi, >>>> >>>> I don't use Windows as my primary OS anymore, so didn't notice this >>>> until recently. In R-2.10.0 under Windows useFancyQuotes is FALSE by >>>> default, but this doesn't seem to affect the rendering of (text) >>>> help pages. >>>> >>>> This is not a problem if I run via the Rgui or Rterm (via DOS >>>> prompt), as the help pages are rendered in a popup window that >>>> understands directional quotes. However, if I run under emacs/ESS, >>>> the help is rendered within emacs, which doesn't understand >>>> directional quotes, so any quoted text is surrounded by >>>> \221thetext\222, which is obviously difficult to read. >>>> >>>> Is there another setting that I am missing that affects the usage of >>>> directional quotes for the help pages? >>> >>> I don't see this. Are you sure you haven't got a typo somewhere? >> >> Pretty sure. I get the opposite: >> >> Loading required package: utils >> > options("useFancyQuotes") >> $useFancyQuotes >> [1] FALSE >> >> > ?mean >> >> This is at a DOS prompt. In the popup box I get >> >> If ‘trim’ is zero (the default), the arithmetic mean of the >> values in ‘x’ is computed, as a numeric or complex vector of > > I think I saw this once, but have been unable to reproduce it since > then. I may have had useFancyQuotes=TRUE on that one occasion. > > Since I can no longer reproduce this, and looking at the code shows no > reason it shouldn't be deterministic, I'm going to have to give up on it. > > All I can suggest is that you should re-install R, preferably from the > 2.10.0 patched version. It has a few bug fixes since the release, and > whatever was causing the problem for you may have gone away. > > Duncan Murdoch > >> >> Also, from ?sQuote: >> >> Where fancy quotes are used, you should be aware that they may not >> be rendered correctly as not all fonts include the requisite >> glyphs: for example some have directional single quotes but not >> directional double quotes. This is particularly troublesome in >> Windows ‘Command Prompt’ windows, which by default are set up >> to run in the so-called OEM codepage, which in most locales uses a >> different encoding from Windows. Further, if the codepage is >> changed (with ‘chcp.exe’, e.g. to 1252 in a Western European >> language), the default raster fonts do not support the directional >> quotes. >> >> To work around this, the default for >> ‘options("useFancyQuotes")’ is ‘FALSE’ on Windows except >> for the ‘Rgui’ console. There fancy quotes work with the >> default Courier New font and more elegantly with Lucida Console >> and standard the CJK fonts, but directional double quotes are >> missing in raster fonts such as Courier and FixedSys. >> >> Best, >> >> Jim >> >> >> >>> >>> When I run options("useFancyQuotes") in a new session, I see >>> >>> > options("useFancyQuotes") >>> $useFancyQuotes >>> [1] TRUE >>> >>> and when I ask for help, I see help pages that respect that choice, e.g. >>> >>> > ?mean >>> >>> gives ‘trim = 0’ in the description of x. If I set >>> >>> > options(useFancyQuotes=FALSE) >>> > ?mean >>> >>> I see 'trim = 0'. >>> >>> Maybe if there's no typo, it's emacs or ESS that's messing up somehow. >>> >>> Duncan Murdoch >> > -- James W. MacDonald, M.S. Biostatistician Douglas Lab University of Michigan Department of Human Genetics 5912 Buhl 1241 E. Catherine St. Ann Arbor MI 48109-5618 734-615-7826 ______________________________________________ R-help@... mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help PLEASE do read the posting guide http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code.