Feature wanted: able to group wiki pages in folders

[Weijian Fang-2]

> or in English:
>
> JSPWiki is supported by the Apache people and appears to grow to a complete
> CMS, certainly worth the attention.
>
Congratulations! In fact we are using JSPWiki as a CMS, see
www.omii.ac.uk, which is based on 2.6.

Wiki systems usually assumes a flat page space - all pages are
directly under the path /wiki/ -just like wikipedia.org, which is
different from a typical CMS. While in CMS, users are allowed to
created folders which can hold related pages together.

I think it is good for JSPWiki to support folders that group related
wiki page together, in order to better support CMS user cases. In that
case, our website can have something like

/wiki/resources/page1
/wiki/resources/page2
/wiki/commnunity/page3
/wiki/commnunity/page4

What do you think?

Cheers,

Weijian

[Janne Jalkanen]

> I think it is good for JSPWiki to support folders that group related
> wiki page together, in order to better support CMS user cases. In that
> case, our website can have something like
>
> /wiki/resources/page1
> /wiki/resources/page2
> /wiki/commnunity/page3
> /wiki/commnunity/page4
>
> What do you think?

It is a very good idea :-).

In fact, it's so good that we're already working on it, but it's gonna  
take some time before we can get it done...

/Janne

[Chris Haynes]

Janne,

Will it be possible to manage security / permissions purely by directory in this new capability? Here's the use-case:

I shall soon be supporting the development of an on-line training system, structured into modules. Students will have visibility of modules unlocked progressively as they progress (and it is also possible that different staff may be empowered to edit different modules).

I had been planning to have to impose a page-naming schema on the authors which would include the module-name in the page-name, so that we could implement the unlocking. Ugly, but sufficient to meet the need.

But a *far* better solution would be to have a structure such as
.../module1/pages...
.../module2/pages...
 
and be able to manage the permissions simply at the

.../module1
.../module2

level, with the same permissions applying to all contents of any one module.

If that could be included in your requirement that would be *great*!

TIA,

Chris Haynes



On Friday, April 10, 2009 at 7:28:19 PM, Janne Jalkanen wrote:
>> I think it is good for JSPWiki to support folders that group related
>> wiki page together, in order to better support CMS user cases. In that
>> case, our website can have something like

>> /wiki/resources/page1
>> /wiki/resources/page2
>> /wiki/commnunity/page3
>> /wiki/commnunity/page4

>> What do you think?

> It is a very good idea :-).

> In fact, it's so good that we're already working on it, but it's gonna
> take some time before we can get it done...

> /Janne

[Janne Jalkanen]

>
> Will it be possible to manage security / permissions purely by  
> directory in this new capability? Here's the use-case:

Yes and no.  They aren't "directories" in the way you think they are,  
but yes, permissions are inherited. So if a page does not define its  
own ACL, the parent page is checked for the ACL.  This should give the  
exact effect you're looking for!

/Janne

[Chris Haynes]

Great!

Estimated release date??? My project is due to start in the Autumn (fall).

Chris



On Friday, April 10, 2009 at 8:21:57 PM, Janne Jalkanen wrote:

>> Will it be possible to manage security / permissions purely by  
>> directory in this new capability? Here's the use-case:

> Yes and no.  They aren't "directories" in the way you think they are,
> but yes, permissions are inherited. So if a page does not define its  
> own ACL, the parent page is checked for the ACL.  This should give the
> exact effect you're looking for!

> /Janne

[Janne Jalkanen]

When it's ready.

(Frankly, we can't give any estimated release dates for the simple  
reason that we all do this on our spare time, which in turn means that  
any changes in life cause changes which cannot be foreseen.)

On 10 Apr 2009, at 23:36, Chris Haynes wrote:

> Great!
>
> Estimated release date??? My project is due to start in the Autumn  
> (fall).
>
> Chris
>
>
>
> On Friday, April 10, 2009 at 8:21:57 PM, Janne Jalkanen wrote:
>
>>> Will it be possible to manage security / permissions purely by
>>> directory in this new capability? Here's the use-case:
>
>> Yes and no.  They aren't "directories" in the way you think they are,
>> but yes, permissions are inherited. So if a page does not define its
>> own ACL, the parent page is checked for the ACL.  This should give  
>> the
>> exact effect you're looking for!
>
>> /Janne

[Chris Haynes]

Hi Janne,

Any progress on this feature since we discussed it in April?

I can't see where it is on the features road map.

Could I usefully get involved?

Chris



On Friday, April 10, 2009 at 9:58:51 PM, Janne Jalkanen wrote:

> When it's ready.

> (Frankly, we can't give any estimated release dates for the simple  
> reason that we all do this on our spare time, which in turn means that
> any changes in life cause changes which cannot be foreseen.)

> On 10 Apr 2009, at 23:36, Chris Haynes wrote:

>> Great!

>> Estimated release date??? My project is due to start in the Autumn  
>> (fall).

>> Chris



>> On Friday, April 10, 2009 at 8:21:57 PM, Janne Jalkanen wrote:

>>>> Will it be possible to manage security / permissions purely by
>>>> directory in this new capability? Here's the use-case:

>>> Yes and no.  They aren't "directories" in the way you think they are,
>>> but yes, permissions are inherited. So if a page does not define its
>>> own ACL, the parent page is checked for the ACL.  This should give  
>>> the
>>> exact effect you're looking for!

>>> /Janne

[Jim Willeke]

I am also interested in a hierarchical feature for pages.

-jim
Jim Willeke


On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 8:08 AM, Chris Haynes <chris@...>wrote:

> Hi Janne,
>
> Any progress on this feature since we discussed it in April?
>
> I can't see where it is on the features road map.
>
> Could I usefully get involved?
>
> Chris
>
>
>
> On Friday, April 10, 2009 at 9:58:51 PM, Janne Jalkanen wrote:
>
> > When it's ready.
>
> > (Frankly, we can't give any estimated release dates for the simple
> > reason that we all do this on our spare time, which in turn means that
> > any changes in life cause changes which cannot be foreseen.)
>
> > On 10 Apr 2009, at 23:36, Chris Haynes wrote:
>
> >> Great!
>
> >> Estimated release date??? My project is due to start in the Autumn
> >> (fall).
>
> >> Chris
>
>
>
> >> On Friday, April 10, 2009 at 8:21:57 PM, Janne Jalkanen wrote:
>
> >>>> Will it be possible to manage security / permissions purely by
> >>>> directory in this new capability? Here's the use-case:
>
> >>> Yes and no.  They aren't "directories" in the way you think they are,
> >>> but yes, permissions are inherited. So if a page does not define its
> >>> own ACL, the parent page is checked for the ACL.  This should give
> >>> the
> >>> exact effect you're looking for!
>
> >>> /Janne
>
>

[Andrew Jaquith-4]

This is planned for 3.0. As of the current builds (pre-alpha),
hierarchical page support is not completely implemented. we do not
have a timeframe for when 3.0 will be released. It is unlikely that it
will be ready in time for the fall timeframe.

Andrew

On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 10:34 AM, Jim Willeke<jim@...> wrote:

> I am also interested in a hierarchical feature for pages.
>
> -jim
> Jim Willeke
>
>
> On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 8:08 AM, Chris Haynes <chris@...>wrote:
>
>> Hi Janne,
>>
>> Any progress on this feature since we discussed it in April?
>>
>> I can't see where it is on the features road map.
>>
>> Could I usefully get involved?
>>
>> Chris
>>
>>
>>
>> On Friday, April 10, 2009 at 9:58:51 PM, Janne Jalkanen wrote:
>>
>> > When it's ready.
>>
>> > (Frankly, we can't give any estimated release dates for the simple
>> > reason that we all do this on our spare time, which in turn means that
>> > any changes in life cause changes which cannot be foreseen.)
>>
>> > On 10 Apr 2009, at 23:36, Chris Haynes wrote:
>>
>> >> Great!
>>
>> >> Estimated release date??? My project is due to start in the Autumn
>> >> (fall).
>>
>> >> Chris
>>
>>
>>
>> >> On Friday, April 10, 2009 at 8:21:57 PM, Janne Jalkanen wrote:
>>
>> >>>> Will it be possible to manage security / permissions purely by
>> >>>> directory in this new capability? Here's the use-case:
>>
>> >>> Yes and no.  They aren't "directories" in the way you think they are,
>> >>> but yes, permissions are inherited. So if a page does not define its
>> >>> own ACL, the parent page is checked for the ACL.  This should give
>> >>> the
>> >>> exact effect you're looking for!
>>
>> >>> /Janne
>>
>>
>