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Fedora 11 on Hercules

by Harold Grovesteen-2 :: Rate this Message:

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I just want to share with everyone my personal experience with the
Fedora 11 disk image.  This is a winner!  Particularly if you already
run Linux as your Hercules host.  If you run Windows for your Hercules
host, the networking may be a bit challenging.

One of the tools I have wanted for some time has been a gcc compiler
that produces mainframe object on my desktop.  I was surprised to find
that gcc is not already pre-installed on the disk image.  However, 'yum
install gcc' worked out the box to download it and dependencies and
install them.  This was very slick.

There is way too much "voodoo and black magic" in cross-compiling gcc.  
I never got that to succeed.  In the past, getting Linux installed
seemed to be a real hurdle.  Just look at some of the posts with links
that explain it.  Not simple.  With other priorities, I never took the
time to get past those.  If you want a modern Linux on Hercules, this is
absolutely the simplest path to get there.

Fedora on the mainframe is no doubt not primarily about Hercules.  They
obviously are targeting the corporate users of mainframes.  However, by
including this community in the sphere of their outreach allows us to
benefit as well.  Novell never did this.  openSUSE does not include the
mainframe at all.  The only other distribution to directly include the
Hercules community was Debian many years ago.  Even Centos that used
Hercules to develop its mainframe distribution, did not provide a
pre-installed image that I recall.

The folks who developed the Hercules support deserve our thanks.  I hope
we can show it by embracing their work and providing input back to their
effort.  It is after all about community.

Harold Grovesteen


Re: Fedora 11 on Hercules

by Frans Pop-3 :: Rate this Message:

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This mail is mostly just to avoid confusion for others who may read this
post and might get the impression that Fedora is the only Linux distro to
support S/390.

On Friday 26 June 2009, Harold Grovesteen wrote:
> The only other distribution to directly include the Hercules community
> was Debian many years ago.

I'm not sure, but if you're saying here that Debian no longer supports
s/390 then you are very much mistaken.

Installing Debian in Hercules is just as trivial as installing Debian on
any of the other platforms Debian supports, and obviously installing gcc
is (and always has been) as simple as 'apt-get install gcc', along with
some 24,000 other packages (only counting the 'main' archive).

Oh, and I've been cross-compiling my s390 kernels without any problems on
x86_64 for some time now using the cross-toolchain packages from
Emdebian.

I'm happy that you've found an environment that works for you (choice is
good + freedom to choose and all that). What I don't get is that you seem
to imply that the availability of such an environment is something
completely new.
I installed my primairy s390 system in Hercules almost 5 years ago and
it's been running Debian unstable happily ever since.

Cheers,
FJP

P.S. I tested Linux 2.6.31-rc1 in hercules yesterday and it runs fine.

RE: Fedora 11 on Hercules

by John Abell :: Rate this Message:

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What version of the Installation Files did you get?  The one we have fails
during the installation.

 


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From: hercules-390@... [mailto:hercules-390@...] On
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Sent: Friday, June 26, 2009 11:51 AM
To: hercules-390@...
Subject: [hercules-390] Fedora 11 on Hercules

 






I just want to share with everyone my personal experience with the
Fedora 11 disk image. This is a winner! Particularly if you already
run Linux as your Hercules host. If you run Windows for your Hercules
host, the networking may be a bit challenging.

One of the tools I have wanted for some time has been a gcc compiler
that produces mainframe object on my desktop. I was surprised to find
that gcc is not already pre-installed on the disk image. However, 'yum
install gcc' worked out the box to download it and dependencies and
install them. This was very slick.

There is way too much "voodoo and black magic" in cross-compiling gcc.
I never got that to succeed. In the past, getting Linux installed
seemed to be a real hurdle. Just look at some of the posts with links
that explain it. Not simple. With other priorities, I never took the
time to get past those. If you want a modern Linux on Hercules, this is
absolutely the simplest path to get there.

Fedora on the mainframe is no doubt not primarily about Hercules. They
obviously are targeting the corporate users of mainframes. However, by
including this community in the sphere of their outreach allows us to
benefit as well. Novell never did this. openSUSE does not include the
mainframe at all. The only other distribution to directly include the
Hercules community was Debian many years ago. Even Centos that used
Hercules to develop its mainframe distribution, did not provide a
pre-installed image that I recall.

The folks who developed the Hercules support deserve our thanks. I hope
we can show it by embracing their work and providing input back to their
effort. It is after all about community.

Harold Grovesteen





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Re: Fedora 11 on Hercules

by Harold Grovesteen-2 :: Rate this Message:

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Pardon the confusion.  It was absolutely not my intention to suggest
other distros will not run on Hercules.   Hercules being what it is,
anything that can run on IBM's documented architecture (Principles of
Operations) runs on Hercules.  So, no Linux distribution has
specifically precluded Hercules, but few have taken interest in making
it easy to use with it.

Frans Pop wrote:

>This mail is mostly just to avoid confusion for others who may read this
>post and might get the impression that Fedora is the only Linux distro to
>support S/390.
>
>On Friday 26 June 2009, Harold Grovesteen wrote:
>  
>
>>The only other distribution to directly include the Hercules community
>>was Debian many years ago.
>>    
>>
>
>I'm not sure, but if you're saying here that Debian no longer supports
>s/390 then you are very much mistaken.
>
I do not think I said that.  However, the last time that I am aware that
Debian provided a pre-installed disk image, the only distro to actually
have done so, was years ago.  The distinction that I am making is that
it has been very rare for a distro to provide support TARGETED for use
on Hercules.

>
>Installing Debian in Hercules is just as trivial as installing Debian on
>any of the other platforms Debian supports, and obviously installing gcc
>is (and always has been) as simple as 'apt-get install gcc', along with
>some 24,000 other packages (only counting the 'main' archive).
>
Trivial is in the eye of the beholder.  That probably explains why I
don't have debian anywhere.  To assume what is easy for you and no doubt
some others, doesn't mean it is for everyone.  Having worked with Debian
for five years as your primary system does not surprise anyone that you
would see it as such.  Do, you also run Devian as your host?

>
>Oh, and I've been cross-compiling my s390 kernels without any problems on
>x86_64 for some time now using the cross-toolchain packages from
>Emdebian.
>

When I first looked at doing this some years ago, I was certainly
unaware of these packages if they existed.  To download the source and
create a complete cross-compiler toolchain from scratch, so to speak, is
frought with numerous issues and challenges.  I gave up trying to
overcome them. And,  I had moved away from the need deciding to stay
with assembler.

>
>I'm happy that you've found an environment that works for you (choice is
>good + freedom to choose and all that). What I don't get is that you seem
>to imply that the availability of such an environment is something
>completely new.
>
Not new.  But readily achieved by a novice, yes, I believe that is, if
not new, has not been a goal for anyone for some time.  And I put myself
in that category for Linux.  There are probably a number of others on
these lists that would also put themselves in that category.  So, for
me, yes, new.

>I installed my primairy s390 system in Hercules almost 5 years ago and
>it's been running Debian unstable happily ever since.
>
All of which presupposes you have Debian installed.  So if you are
challenged, as I acknowledge myself to be, or have too many false starts
attempting to do so, which I did, you have the proverbial
chicken-and-egg problem.

I see this in the same light at the MVS Turnkey system.  Can one install
from scratch MVS on Hercules?  Yes.  Does everyone want to try?  No.  
Maybe you have the expertise to do so, but most do not.  For many in
this community, the same could be said for Linux.  Witness the large
number of Hercules users running Hercules on Windows.  

If Debian had continued the practice, we might not be having this
exchange.  Depending of course on your personal expertise, such may be
perceived as superfluous.  Obviously, it was not perceived by Debian to
be of sufficient value to continue and you certainly see it as superflous.

My first SuSE system I installed over the Internet from Germany onto my
system in the United States.  I figured years later I should be able to
do the same with Debian for Hercules.  So, as recently as a year ago I
attempted downloading Debian for s390.  Jigdo was too much of a
frustration due to inconsistent results.  And of course, it certainly
isn't going to run on a Windows system.

Obviously YMMV applies.  My personal experience with Debian has been
unpleasant.  My personal experience with Fedora 11 the exact opposite.  
Novell doesn't even give me an option with openSUSE.  Will others have
the reverse experiences?  Probably.

That no tweaking was needed for this to work was impressive.  It is
always gratifying when things just work.

>
>Cheers,
>FJP
>
>P.S. I tested Linux 2.6.31-rc1 in hercules yesterday and it runs fine.
>
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Re: Fedora 11 on Hercules

by Harold Grovesteen-2 :: Rate this Message:

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http://secondary.fedoraproject.org/pub/alt/spins/S390/

This link was posted on 19 Jun. I pulled the tarball down on either the
19th or 20th. It could have been updated since then. There is also an
email list I joined. Hasn't had much traffic, but at least one of the
leads has made postings.

Harold Grovesteen

John Abell wrote:

>What version of the Installation Files did you get?  The one we have fails
>during the installation.
>
>
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>From: hercules-390@... [mailto:hercules-390@...] On
>Behalf Of Harold Grovesteen
>Sent: Friday, June 26, 2009 11:51 AM
>To: hercules-390@...
>Subject: [hercules-390] Fedora 11 on Hercules
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>I just want to share with everyone my personal experience with the
>Fedora 11 disk image. This is a winner! Particularly if you already
>run Linux as your Hercules host. If you run Windows for your Hercules
>host, the networking may be a bit challenging.
>
>One of the tools I have wanted for some time has been a gcc compiler
>that produces mainframe object on my desktop. I was surprised to find
>that gcc is not already pre-installed on the disk image. However, 'yum
>install gcc' worked out the box to download it and dependencies and
>install them. This was very slick.
>
>There is way too much "voodoo and black magic" in cross-compiling gcc.
>I never got that to succeed. In the past, getting Linux installed
>seemed to be a real hurdle. Just look at some of the posts with links
>that explain it. Not simple. With other priorities, I never took the
>time to get past those. If you want a modern Linux on Hercules, this is
>absolutely the simplest path to get there.
>
>Fedora on the mainframe is no doubt not primarily about Hercules. They
>obviously are targeting the corporate users of mainframes. However, by
>including this community in the sphere of their outreach allows us to
>benefit as well. Novell never did this. openSUSE does not include the
>mainframe at all. The only other distribution to directly include the
>Hercules community was Debian many years ago. Even Centos that used
>Hercules to develop its mainframe distribution, did not provide a
>pre-installed image that I recall.
>
>The folks who developed the Hercules support deserve our thanks. I hope
>we can show it by embracing their work and providing input back to their
>effort. It is after all about community.
>
>Harold Grovesteen
>
>
>
>
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Re: Fedora 11 on Hercules - Correction

by Harold Grovesteen-2 :: Rate this Message:

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The correction is that I did not pull down the tarball, but the rather
the disk image. These are two different files.

I went back to see what was there now:

The site has two large files: a tarball and a Hercules disk image. The
tarball contains the root directory of the distribution. It is not
directly usable by Hercules. The other file: f11-s390x.img is the DASD
disk image usable by Hercules with the distribution root installed on
it. The disk image can be IPL'd; the tarball can not.

The disk image date is 16 Jun 2009 on the site. The message posted on
this list was on 19 Jun 2009. The tarball in fact has a date of 23 Jun
2009. I don't know if the tarball was updated or just created later.
Regardless, it isn't usable by Hercules anyway. The disk image appears
not to have changed since it was originally published.

Can you explain what you mean by "fails during the installation"?

Harold Grovesteen wrote:

>http://secondary.fedoraproject.org/pub/alt/spins/S390/
>
>This link was posted on 19 Jun. I pulled the tarball down on either the
>19th or 20th. It could have been updated since then. There is also an
>email list I joined. Hasn't had much traffic, but at least one of the
>leads has made postings.
>
>Harold Grovesteen
>
>John Abell wrote:
>
>  
>
>>What version of the Installation Files did you get?  The one we have fails
>>during the installation.
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>>From: hercules-390@... [mailto:hercules-390@...] On
>>Behalf Of Harold Grovesteen
>>Sent: Friday, June 26, 2009 11:51 AM
>>To: hercules-390@...
>>Subject: [hercules-390] Fedora 11 on Hercules
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>I just want to share with everyone my personal experience with the
>>Fedora 11 disk image. This is a winner! Particularly if you already
>>run Linux as your Hercules host. If you run Windows for your Hercules
>>host, the networking may be a bit challenging.
>>
>>One of the tools I have wanted for some time has been a gcc compiler
>>that produces mainframe object on my desktop. I was surprised to find
>>that gcc is not already pre-installed on the disk image. However, 'yum
>>install gcc' worked out the box to download it and dependencies and
>>install them. This was very slick.
>>
>>There is way too much "voodoo and black magic" in cross-compiling gcc.
>>I never got that to succeed. In the past, getting Linux installed
>>seemed to be a real hurdle. Just look at some of the posts with links
>>that explain it. Not simple. With other priorities, I never took the
>>time to get past those. If you want a modern Linux on Hercules, this is
>>absolutely the simplest path to get there.
>>
>>Fedora on the mainframe is no doubt not primarily about Hercules. They
>>obviously are targeting the corporate users of mainframes. However, by
>>including this community in the sphere of their outreach allows us to
>>benefit as well. Novell never did this. openSUSE does not include the
>>mainframe at all. The only other distribution to directly include the
>>Hercules community was Debian many years ago. Even Centos that used
>>Hercules to develop its mainframe distribution, did not provide a
>>pre-installed image that I recall.
>>
>>The folks who developed the Hercules support deserve our thanks. I hope
>>we can show it by embracing their work and providing input back to their
>>effort. It is after all about community.
>>
>>Harold Grovesteen
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Re: Fedora 11 on Hercules - Correction

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for your interest:

the 5166 snapshot is breaking the fedora 11

good:
#define _PSW_IA(_regs, _n) \
 ((_regs)->AIV + (intptr_t)((_regs)->ip - (_regs)->aip) + (VADR)(_n))

bad:
#define _PSW_IA(_regs, _n) \
 ((_regs)->AIV + (uintptr_t)((_regs)->ip - (_regs)->aip) + (VADR)(_n))

Re: Fedora 11 on Hercules - Correction

by Harold Grovesteen-2 :: Rate this Message:

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Peter, the SVN currently has this returned to the original code before 5166.

Harold Grovesteen

Peter Sylvester wrote:

>for your interest:
>
>the 5166 snapshot is breaking the fedora 11
>
>good:
>#define _PSW_IA(_regs, _n) \
> ((_regs)->AIV + (intptr_t)((_regs)->ip - (_regs)->aip) + (VADR)(_n))
>
>bad:
>#define _PSW_IA(_regs, _n) \
> ((_regs)->AIV + (uintptr_t)((_regs)->ip - (_regs)->aip) + (VADR)(_n))
>
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RE: Fedora 11 on Hercules

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Great and thanks.  I will get back to you with the error message on Monday
as we need to retry it.

 


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From: hercules-390@... [mailto:hercules-390@...] On
Behalf Of Harold Grovesteen
Sent: Friday, June 26, 2009 5:23 PM
To: hercules-390@...
Subject: Re: [hercules-390] Fedora 11 on Hercules

 






http://secondary. <http://secondary.fedoraproject.org/pub/alt/spins/S390/>
fedoraproject.org/pub/alt/spins/S390/

This link was posted on 19 Jun. I pulled the tarball down on either the
19th or 20th. It could have been updated since then. There is also an
email list I joined. Hasn't had much traffic, but at least one of the
leads has made postings.

Harold Grovesteen

John Abell wrote:

>What version of the Installation Files did you get? The one we have fails
>during the installation.
>
>
>
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twareproducts.com

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>I just want to share with everyone my personal experience with the
>Fedora 11 disk image. This is a winner! Particularly if you already
>run Linux as your Hercules host. If you run Windows for your Hercules
>host, the networking may be a bit challenging.
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>One of the tools I have wanted for some time has been a gcc compiler
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>that gcc is not already pre-installed on the disk image. However, 'yum
>install gcc' worked out the box to download it and dependencies and
>install them. This was very slick.
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>There is way too much "voodoo and black magic" in cross-compiling gcc.
>I never got that to succeed. In the past, getting Linux installed
>seemed to be a real hurdle. Just look at some of the posts with links
>that explain it. Not simple. With other priorities, I never took the
>time to get past those. If you want a modern Linux on Hercules, this is
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>benefit as well. Novell never did this. openSUSE does not include the
>mainframe at all. The only other distribution to directly include the
>Hercules community was Debian many years ago. Even Centos that used
>Hercules to develop its mainframe distribution, did not provide a
>pre-installed image that I recall.
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Re: Fedora 11 on Hercules

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Hopefully you saw my correction: .img not tarball...

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>Great and thanks.  I will get back to you with the error message on Monday
>as we need to retry it.
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>>Hercules community was Debian many years ago. Even Centos that used
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>>pre-installed image that I recall.
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Re: Fedora 11 on Hercules - Correction

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Harold Grovesteen wrote:
> Peter, the SVN currently has this returned to the original code before 5166.
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>  
Right, thanks. Binary search didn't work.

In 5280 the extended diag204 had been enabled, fedora doesn't like that

Disabling it in the the latest snapshot seems to solve the pb.

/P

Re: Fedora 11 on Hercules - Correction

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On Monday, June 29, 2009 Peter Sylvester wrote:
> In 5280 the extended diag204 had been enabled, fedora doesn't like
> that

Peter,

Do you have a specific symptom we could look at?

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Re: Fedora 11 on Hercules - Correction

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Roger Bowler píše v Po 29. 06. 2009 v 10:30 +0200:
> On Monday, June 29, 2009 Peter Sylvester wrote:
> > In 5280 the extended diag204 had been enabled, fedora doesn't like
> > that
>
> Peter,
>
> Do you have a specific symptom we could look at?

http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/fedora-s390x/2009-June/000044.html


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Re: Fedora 11 on Hercules - Correction

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Roger Bowler wrote:
> On Monday, June 29, 2009 Peter Sylvester wrote:
>> In 5280 the extended diag204 had been enabled, fedora doesn't like
>> that
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> Peter,
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> Do you have a specific symptom we could look at?
See below what happens when IPLing the fedora kernel
with extended diag204 enabled, when disabled, it works
fine.

Please note all this is for my personal curiosity, kind of.
I am not sitting in a flying engine that needs an urgent fix
or else :-)

Have fun
/P

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> Peter Sylvester píše v Po 29. 06. 2009 v 00:32 +0200:
 > > The bug about a hercules snapshot that I reported had been corrected
 > > in a later snapshot.
 > >
 > > but since sanpshot 5280 an EXTENDED_DIAG204 is enabled by default
 > > and fedora doesn't like it. disabling in the feature header make fedora
 > > work.

Is this what you see with EXTENDED_DIAG204 enabled?

08:28:58 CPU0000: SIGP Stop (05) CPU0001, PARM 0000000000000000: CC 0
08:28:58 Freeing initrd memory: 2604k freed
08:28:58 Unable to handle kernel pointer dereference at virtual kernel address 0000000000
08:28:58 013000
08:28:58 Oops: 0004  #1! SMP
08:28:58 Modules linked in:
08:28:58 CPU: 0 Not tainted 2.6.29.3-159.fc11.s390x #1
08:28:58 Process swapper (pid: 1, task: 000000007fe98000, ksp: 000000007fe97940)
08:28:58 Krnl PSW : 0704d00180000000 000000000067150a (hypfs_diag_init+0x4a/0x1dc)
08:28:58            R:0 T:1 IO:1 EX:1 Key:0 M:1 W:0 P:0 AS:3 CC:1 PM:0 EA:3
08:28:58 Krnl GPRS: 0000000000010007 0000000000000001 000003e000013000 000003e000000002
08:28:58            0000000000035002 00000000006714f4 ffffffffffffffff 0000000000000000
08:28:58            0000000000000040 00000000006598b8 0000000000000000 000000007fe97d50
08:28:58            0000000000696d00 000000000041aff8 00000000006714f4 000000007fe97d50
08:28:58 Krnl Code: 00000000006714fa: a7240035           brc     2,671564
08:28:58            00000000006714fe: e300d0080004       lg      %r0,8(%r13)
08:28:58            0000000000671504: e310b0a40014       lgf     %r1,164(%r11)
08:28:58           >000000000067150a: 83200204           diag    %r2,%r0,516
08:28:58            000000000067150e: b9020000           ltgr    %r0,%r0
08:28:58            0000000000671512: a7740005           brc     7,67151c
08:28:58            0000000000671516: 1211               ltr     %r1,%r1
08:28:58            0000000000671518: a7a40011           brc     10,67153a
08:28:58 Call Trace:
08:28:58 ( <00000000006714f4>! hypfs_diag_init+0x34/0x1dc)
08:28:58   <0000000000671428>! hypfs_init+0x48/0xe0
08:28:58   <0000000000012106>! do_one_initcall+0x86/0x180
08:28:58   <00000000006645b4>! kernel_init+0x3ec/0x460
08:28:58   <000000000001c1d2>! kernel_thread_starter+0x6/0xc
08:28:58   <000000000001c1cc>! kernel_thread_starter+0x0/0xc
08:28:58 Last Breaking-Event-Address:
08:28:58   <0000000000035048>! diag204_get_buffer+0x134/0x138
08:28:58  <4>---  end trace 561bb236c800851f !---
08:28:58 Kernel panic - not syncing: Attempted to kill init
08:28:58
08:28:58 HHCCP014I CPU0000: Operation exception CODE=0001 ILC=2
08:28:58 CPU0000:  PSW=00000000 00000000 0000000000000002 INST=0000         ????? ,                      ?
08:28:58 CPU0000: R0=0000000000000000 R1=0000000000001000
08:28:58 CPU0000: R2=000000007FE97948 R3=0000000000000000
08:28:58 CPU0000: R4=00000000006AA62E R5=0000000000000001
08:28:58 CPU0000: R6=0000000000000000 R7=0000000000000000
08:28:58 CPU0000: R8=0000000000000020 R9=00000000006AA62E
08:28:58 CPU0000: RA=0000000000000000 RB=000000007FE97898
08:28:58 CPU0000: RC=0000000000000000 RD=0000000000419608
08:28:58 CPU0000: RE=0000000000023E5E RF=000000007FE97898
08:28:58 <0>------------  cut here !------------
08:28:58 Kernel BUG at 0000000000000002  verbose debug info unavailable!
08:28:58 illegal operation: 0001  #2! SMP
08:28:58 Modules linked in:
08:28:58 CPU: 0 Tainted: G      D    2.6.29.3-159.fc11.s390x #1
08:28:58 Process swapper (pid: 1, task: 000000007fe98000, ksp: 000000007fe97940)
08:28:58 Krnl PSW : (null) 0000000000000002 (0x2)
08:28:58            R:0 T:0 IO:0 EX:0 Key:0 M:0 W:0 P:0 AS:0 CC:0 PM:0 EA:0
08:28:58 Krnl GPRS: 0000000000000000 0000000000001000 000000007fe97948 0000000000000000
08:28:58            00000000006aa62e 0000000000000001 0000000000000000 0000000000000000
08:28:58            0000000000000020 00000000006aa62e 0000000000000000 000000007fe97898
08:28:58            0000000000000000 0000000000419608 0000000000023e5e 000000007fe97898
08:28:58 Krnl Code:>0000000000000002: 0000               unknown
08:28:58            0000000000000004: 0000               unknown
08:28:58            0000000000000006: 0000               unknown
08:28:58            0000000000000008: 0000               unknown
08:28:58            000000000000000a: 0000               unknown
08:28:58            000000000000000c: 0000               unknown
08:28:58            000000000000000e: 0000               unknown
08:28:58            0000000000000010: 0000               unknown
08:28:58 Call Trace:
08:28:58 ( <00000000fffb9a80>! 0xfffb9a80)
08:28:58   <0000000000023e5e>! on_panic_notify+0x52/0x70
08:28:58   <0000000000414eb0>! notifier_call_chain+0x48/0x9c
08:28:58   <0000000000414f72>! atomic_notifier_call_chain+0x32/0x44
08:28:58   <000000000040ec6e>! panic+0xd6/0x204
08:28:58   <0000000000056f5c>! do_exit+0xa8/0x944
08:28:58   <000000000001736c>! default_trap_handler+0x0/0x78
08:28:58   <0000000000012d26>! do_no_context+0x132/0x13c
08:28:58   <0000000000413ffc>! do_protection_exception+0x29c/0x378
08:28:58   <000000000002908c>! sysc_return+0x0/0x8
08:28:58   <000000000067150a>! hypfs_diag_init+0x4a/0x1dc
08:28:58 ( <00000000006714f4>! hypfs_diag_init+0x34/0x1dc)
08:28:58   <0000000000671428>! hypfs_init+0x48/0xe0
08:28:58   <0000000000012106>! do_one_initcall+0x86/0x180
08:28:58   <00000000006645b4>! kernel_init+0x3ec/0x460
08:28:58   <000000000001c1d2>! kernel_thread_starter+0x6/0xc
08:28:58   <000000000001c1cc>! kernel_thread_starter+0x0/0xc
08:28:58 Last Breaking-Event-Address:
08:28:58   <0000000000023dd4>! stop_run+0xec/0x124
08:28:58  <4>---  end trace 561bb236c8008520 !---
08:28:58 Fixing recursive fault but reboot is needed

It could be bug in the DIAG204 implementation in Hercules or a real bug
in the kernel. I will recheck it with the latest kernel from the
development version of Fedora.


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Re: Fedora 11 on Hercules - Correction

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Dan Horák píše v Po 29. 06. 2009 v 10:45 +0200:

> Roger Bowler píše v Po 29. 06. 2009 v 10:30 +0200:
> > On Monday, June 29, 2009 Peter Sylvester wrote:
> > > In 5280 the extended diag204 had been enabled, fedora doesn't like
> > > that
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> > Peter,
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> > Do you have a specific symptom we could look at?
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> http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/fedora-s390x/2009-June/000044.html
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It really looks like a Linux kernel issue, the crash have disappeared in
2.6.31-rc1-git2.


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Re: Fedora 11 on Hercules - Correction

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On Monday, June 29, 2009 Dan Horák wrote:
> http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/fedora-s390x/2009-June/000044.html

Thanks.

Linux is in amode 64 at this point and the address of the diag204
buffer is 000003e000013000. However the Hercules diag204 code seems to
be handling only the low 31-bits of the address.

Does diag204 operate on 31-bit addresses, or is it supposed to respect
the PSW addressing mode? As we have no published specification for
diag204 we can only go by guesswork.


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RE: Fedora 11 on Hercules

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Hi Harold,

 

We did use the Fedora 11 .img file and the error we get is the same diag204
as reported by others as it turns out.

 

I saw a note from Dan Horak as follows:

 

"It really looks like a Linux kernel issue, the crash have disappeared in
2.6.31-rc1-git2."

 

Is there a .img file available with this level of the kernel?

 


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Hopefully you saw my correction: .img not tarball...

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>>run Linux as your Hercules host. If you run Windows for your Hercules
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>>One of the tools I have wanted for some time has been a gcc compiler
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>>that explain it. Not simple. With other priorities, I never took the
>>time to get past those. If you want a modern Linux on Hercules, this is
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>>Fedora on the mainframe is no doubt not primarily about Hercules. They
>>obviously are targeting the corporate users of mainframes. However, by
>>including this community in the sphere of their outreach allows us to
>>benefit as well. Novell never did this. openSUSE does not include the
>>mainframe at all. The only other distribution to directly include the
>>Hercules community was Debian many years ago. Even Centos that used
>>Hercules to develop its mainframe distribution, did not provide a
>>pre-installed image that I recall.
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RE: Fedora 11 on Hercules

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John Abell píše v Po 29. 06. 2009 v 12:57 -0400:

> Hi Harold,
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> We did use the Fedora 11 .img file and the error we get is the same diag204
> as reported by others as it turns out.
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> I saw a note from Dan Horak as follows:
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> "It really looks like a Linux kernel issue, the crash have disappeared in
> 2.6.31-rc1-git2."
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> Is there a .img file available with this level of the kernel?

Not yet, but it will be published and I will post an update here.


                Dan



RE: Fedora 11 on Hercules

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Thanks.

 


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Subject: RE: [hercules-390] Fedora 11 on Hercules

 






John Abell pí¹e v Po 29. 06. 2009 v 12:57 -0400:
> Hi Harold,
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> We did use the Fedora 11 .img file and the error we get is the same
diag204

> as reported by others as it turns out.
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> "It really looks like a Linux kernel issue, the crash have disappeared in
> 2.6.31-rc1-git2."
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> Is there a .img file available with this level of the kernel?

Not yet, but it will be published and I will post an update here.

Dan





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Re: Fedora 11 on Hercules - Correction

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--- In hercules-390@..., Dan Horák wrote:
> It really looks like a Linux kernel issue, the crash have
> disappeared in 2.6.31-rc1-git2.

Dan,

Were you able to identify what was the change which fixed the problem?

Roger Bowler


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