Fedora 11 x86_64, ATI HD4870, and RPM Fusion's Catalyst Drivers...

[Raymond622]

Up until this past weekend, I stayed on Fedora 10 because the closed
fglrx drivers were stable and functioning, and I didn't want to go
through the headache I've been going through since Saturday. I've been
keeping a fairly close eye on the list, and noticed that the name of the
driver changed from fglrx to Catalyst on RPM Fusion, and people seem to
be using it without difficulties. So, late Saturday night, I did a clean
install of Fedora 11, and got the Catalyst driver from RPM Fusion, and
ran into a brick wall.

Every time I try to boot with the Catalyst driver installed, all I get
after the animated bars based boot screens is a blank screen. I can't
switch to another tty or do anything other than reset via the hardware
reset button. I can ssh into the machine, but issuing a reboot command
doesn't reboot (I suspect that the system gets stuck trying to force
kill X), and init 3 doesn't change the video status (possibly for the
same reason). I've since removed the Catalyst driver, just to get some
work done, and I will post an Xorg.log when I'm feeling masochistic
enough to try again. I'm using an Asus edition ATI Radeon HD 4870 with
512 MB RAM, so I do believe that it should be supported by the Catalyst
driver.

In the mean time, does anyone have a clue what might be going on?

Thanks,
Raymond

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[suvayu ali]

Hi Raymond,

Firstly the rpmfusion-users[1] list is a better place to ask about these issues.

2009/11/5 Raymond C. Rodgers <sinful622@...>:

> Every time I try to boot with the Catalyst driver installed, all I get after
> the animated bars based boot screens is a blank screen. I can't switch to
> another tty or do anything other than reset via the hardware reset button. I
> can ssh into the machine, but issuing a reboot command doesn't reboot (I
> suspect that the system gets stuck trying to force kill X), and init 3
> doesn't change the video status (possibly for the same reason). I've since
> removed the Catalyst driver, just to get some work done, and I will post an
> Xorg.log when I'm feeling masochistic enough to try again. I'm using an Asus
> edition ATI Radeon HD 4870 with 512 MB RAM, so I do believe that it should
> be supported by the Catalyst driver.
>

I have a similar card, ATI HD4870 1GB edition. You need to do some
config changes then everything should work just as expected. I have
been playing quakelive without any hitches for the last few weeks. :)

The following threads from fedoraforum should be helpful. The first
post summarizes the config workarounds I mentioned above.
* http://forums.fedoraforum.org/showthread.php?t=155503
* http://forums.fedoraforum.org/showpost.php?p=1257973&postcount=3564

PS: Right now I am at work so can't give you the details about my setup.
[1] http://lists.rpmfusion.org/mailman/listinfo/rpmfusion-users
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[Tony Nelson]

On 09-11-05 09:31:45, Raymond C. Rodgers wrote:
> Up until this past weekend, I stayed on Fedora 10 because the closed
> fglrx drivers were stable and functioning, and I didn't want to go
 ...
> ran into a brick wall.
 ...
> In the mean time, does anyone have a clue what might be going on?

Have you tried booting with the "nomodeset" kernel param?

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[Jonathan Dieter-2]

On Thu, 2009-11-05 at 14:27 -0500, Tony Nelson wrote:
> On 09-11-05 09:31:45, Raymond C. Rodgers wrote:
> > Up until this past weekend, I stayed on Fedora 10 because the closed
> > fglrx drivers were stable and functioning, and I didn't want to go
>  ...
> > ran into a brick wall.
>  ...
> > In the mean time, does anyone have a clue what might be going on?
>
> Have you tried booting with the "nomodeset" kernel param?

FWIW, I've tried both "nomodeset" and "nopat" on my 4830 with no effect.
I downgraded to Catalyst 9.8.

See https://bugzilla.rpmfusion.org/show_bug.cgi?id=900

Jonathan


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[Paul W. Frields]

On Thu, Nov 05, 2009 at 09:37:29PM +0200, Jonathan Dieter wrote:

> On Thu, 2009-11-05 at 14:27 -0500, Tony Nelson wrote:
> > On 09-11-05 09:31:45, Raymond C. Rodgers wrote:
> > > Up until this past weekend, I stayed on Fedora 10 because the closed
> > > fglrx drivers were stable and functioning, and I didn't want to go
> >  ...
> > > ran into a brick wall.
> >  ...
> > > In the mean time, does anyone have a clue what might be going on?
> >
> > Have you tried booting with the "nomodeset" kernel param?
>
> FWIW, I've tried both "nomodeset" and "nopat" on my 4830 with no effect.
> I downgraded to Catalyst 9.8.
>
> See https://bugzilla.rpmfusion.org/show_bug.cgi?id=900

You might be interested in trying the standard radeon drivers out of
the box in Fedora 12.  I'm using them on a HD4850 and get full support
for compiz there.  It's not as fast in framerates as proprietary
drivers, I bet, but I get somewhere around 2500 fps -- and none of the
other negative side effects that made the Catalyst drivers such a
pain.  YMMV.

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[suvayu ali]

Hi Paul,

2009/11/5 Paul W. Frields <stickster@...>:

> On Thu, Nov 05, 2009 at 09:37:29PM +0200, Jonathan Dieter wrote:
>> On Thu, 2009-11-05 at 14:27 -0500, Tony Nelson wrote:
>> > On 09-11-05 09:31:45, Raymond C. Rodgers wrote:
>> > > Up until this past weekend, I stayed on Fedora 10 because the closed
>> > > fglrx drivers were stable and functioning, and I didn't want to go
>> >  ...
>> > > ran into a brick wall.
>> >  ...
>> > > In the mean time, does anyone have a clue what might be going on?
>> >
>> > Have you tried booting with the "nomodeset" kernel param?
>>
>> FWIW, I've tried both "nomodeset" and "nopat" on my 4830 with no effect.
>> I downgraded to Catalyst 9.8.
>>
>> See https://bugzilla.rpmfusion.org/show_bug.cgi?id=900
>
> You might be interested in trying the standard radeon drivers out of
> the box in Fedora 12.  I'm using them on a HD4850 and get full support
> for compiz there.  It's not as fast in framerates as proprietary
> drivers, I bet, but I get somewhere around 2500 fps -- and none of the
> other negative side effects that made the Catalyst drivers such a
> pain.  YMMV.
>

I think although on paper 4850 and 4870s are the same, they behave
very differently. I used the radeon drivers until a few weeks back,
about the time when quakelive received support on linux. I was never
able to turn on desktop effects successfully, either with radeon or
radeonhd. It was the same even for the F12 LiveCD for the Radeon test
day.[1] The penultimate entry is mine. But I have to admit things have
improved by leaps and bounds over the last few months, and I am
waiting for the day when I can switch to open source drivers.

[1] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Day:2009-09-09_Radeon#Results
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[Bruno Wolff III]

On Thu, Nov 05, 2009 at 14:57:38 -0800,
  suvayu ali <fatkasuvayu+linux@...> wrote:
>
> I think although on paper 4850 and 4870s are the same, they behave
> very differently. I used the radeon drivers until a few weeks back,
> about the time when quakelive received support on linux. I was never
> able to turn on desktop effects successfully, either with radeon or
> radeonhd. It was the same even for the F12 LiveCD for the Radeon test
> day.[1] The penultimate entry is mine. But I have to admit things have
> improved by leaps and bounds over the last few months, and I am
> waiting for the day when I can switch to open source drivers.

A number of bugs were fixed about two weeks ago. You might want to try again.
Also you'll probably want to install mesa-dri-drivers-experimental to get
3d acceleration and kernel mode setting for your card.

If you have still have probelms filing bugs will help.

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[suvayu ali]

2009/11/6 Bruno Wolff III <bruno@...>:

> On Thu, Nov 05, 2009 at 14:57:38 -0800,
>  suvayu ali <fatkasuvayu+linux@...> wrote:
>>
>> I think although on paper 4850 and 4870s are the same, they behave
>> very differently. I used the radeon drivers until a few weeks back,
>> about the time when quakelive received support on linux. I was never
>> able to turn on desktop effects successfully, either with radeon or
>> radeonhd. It was the same even for the F12 LiveCD for the Radeon test
>> day.[1] The penultimate entry is mine. But I have to admit things have
>> improved by leaps and bounds over the last few months, and I am
>> waiting for the day when I can switch to open source drivers.
>
> A number of bugs were fixed about two weeks ago. You might want to try again.
> Also you'll probably want to install mesa-dri-drivers-experimental to get
> 3d acceleration and kernel mode setting for your card.
>
> If you have still have probelms filing bugs will help.
>

The next month I am in the middle of something very critical, so can't
really play around, I need my system to stay up and running. I am even
holding off the F12 upgrade for this. Would testing with the F12
LiveCD and giving feedback based on that help? I could easily do that
without disturbing my current setup.

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[Bruno Wolff III]

On Fri, Nov 06, 2009 at 12:06:58 -0800,
  suvayu ali <fatkasuvayu+linux@...> wrote:
>
> The next month I am in the middle of something very critical, so can't
> really play around, I need my system to stay up and running. I am even
> holding off the F12 upgrade for this. Would testing with the F12
> LiveCD and giving feedback based on that help? I could easily do that
> without disturbing my current setup.

I doubt you'd get the experimental driver package on any of the live images.
So you'd need to make your own live image. That may be more trouble than
it's worth.

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[Tony Nelson]

On 09-11-06 15:28:19, Bruno Wolff III wrote:

> On Fri, Nov 06, 2009 at 12:06:58 -0800,
>   suvayu ali <fatkasuvayu+linux@...> wrote:
> >
> > The next month I am in the middle of something very critical, so
> > can'treally play around, I need my system to stay up and running. I
> > am even holding off the F12 upgrade for this. Would testing with
> > the F12 LiveCD and giving feedback based on that help? I could
> > easily do that without disturbing my current setup.
>
> I doubt you'd get the experimental driver package on any of the live
> images.  So you'd need to make your own live image. That may be more
> trouble than it's worth.

I was told the Nightly Builds are Live Images.

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[Bruno Wolff III]

On Fri, Nov 06, 2009 at 17:13:00 -0500,
  Tony Nelson <tonynelson@...> wrote:

> On 09-11-06 15:28:19, Bruno Wolff III wrote:
> > On Fri, Nov 06, 2009 at 12:06:58 -0800,
> >   suvayu ali <fatkasuvayu+linux@...> wrote:
> > >
> > > The next month I am in the middle of something very critical, so
> > > can'treally play around, I need my system to stay up and running. I
> > > am even holding off the F12 upgrade for this. Would testing with
> > > the F12 LiveCD and giving feedback based on that help? I could
> > > easily do that without disturbing my current setup.
> >
> > I doubt you'd get the experimental driver package on any of the live
> > images.  So you'd need to make your own live image. That may be more
> > trouble than it's worth.
>
> I was told the Nightly Builds are Live Images.

You can try those, but the r600 / r700 stuff is supposed to be disabled by
default because KMS / 3d acceleration wasn't thought to be ready for those
chipsets. You need to install the mesa-dri-drivers-experimental package.

You could do that after booting one of the livecd images, so I think it
isn't as much of a problem to test as I originally thought. If you want
some 3d apps to exercise your video card, the games spin has a few. It's
about a 4GB download. If you do that you only need to download it once
and can do multiple tests with the same image separated in time. Another
option would be to install a single 3d game after booting the live image.
The 3d games typically have large (100+ MB) data sets so doing that a few
times might get annoying. You need enough ram to handle the update and
still be able to run stuff.

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[Paul W. Frields]

On Fri, Nov 06, 2009 at 02:28:19PM -0600, Bruno Wolff III wrote:

> On Fri, Nov 06, 2009 at 12:06:58 -0800,
>   suvayu ali <fatkasuvayu+linux@...> wrote:
> >
> > The next month I am in the middle of something very critical, so can't
> > really play around, I need my system to stay up and running. I am even
> > holding off the F12 upgrade for this. Would testing with the F12
> > LiveCD and giving feedback based on that help? I could easily do that
> > without disturbing my current setup.
>
> I doubt you'd get the experimental driver package on any of the live images.
> So you'd need to make your own live image. That may be more trouble than
> it's worth.

Actually... the thing to do is to make a Live USB out of a Live image,
and then you can add/remove packages as needed.  A 2 GB USB key will
run you around USD $5-6 online and they're so handy to have around.

The nightly composes have Live images you can try out immediately, no
need to wait for the final release, even.  Have fun!

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[suvayu ali]

2009/11/6 Paul W. Frields <stickster@...>:

> On Fri, Nov 06, 2009 at 02:28:19PM -0600, Bruno Wolff III wrote:
>> On Fri, Nov 06, 2009 at 12:06:58 -0800,
>>   suvayu ali <fatkasuvayu+linux@...> wrote:
>> >
>> > The next month I am in the middle of something very critical, so can't
>> > really play around, I need my system to stay up and running. I am even
>> > holding off the F12 upgrade for this. Would testing with the F12
>> > LiveCD and giving feedback based on that help? I could easily do that
>> > without disturbing my current setup.
>>
>> I doubt you'd get the experimental driver package on any of the live images.
>> So you'd need to make your own live image. That may be more trouble than
>> it's worth.
>
> Actually... the thing to do is to make a Live USB out of a Live image,
> and then you can add/remove packages as needed.  A 2 GB USB key will
> run you around USD $5-6 online and they're so handy to have around.
>
> The nightly composes have Live images you can try out immediately, no
> need to wait for the final release, even.  Have fun!

The manufacturers say boot from USB is supported on my board, but I
have never had success with it. :( But I can always create my own
custom LiveCD, then I don't have to worry about much. :) I will try
one of these methods and see how things go.

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[suvayu ali]

Hi everyone,

2009/11/6 suvayu ali <fatkasuvayu+linux@...>:

> 2009/11/6 Paul W. Frields <stickster@...>:
>> On Fri, Nov 06, 2009 at 02:28:19PM -0600, Bruno Wolff III wrote:
>>> On Fri, Nov 06, 2009 at 12:06:58 -0800,
>>>   suvayu ali <fatkasuvayu+linux@...> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > The next month I am in the middle of something very critical, so can't
>>> > really play around, I need my system to stay up and running. I am even
>>> > holding off the F12 upgrade for this. Would testing with the F12
>>> > LiveCD and giving feedback based on that help? I could easily do that
>>> > without disturbing my current setup.
>>>
>>> I doubt you'd get the experimental driver package on any of the live images.
>>> So you'd need to make your own live image. That may be more trouble than
>>> it's worth.
>>
>> Actually... the thing to do is to make a Live USB out of a Live image,
>> and then you can add/remove packages as needed.  A 2 GB USB key will
>> run you around USD $5-6 online and they're so handy to have around.
>>
>> The nightly composes have Live images you can try out immediately, no
>> need to wait for the final release, even.  Have fun!
>
> The manufacturers say boot from USB is supported on my board, but I
> have never had success with it. :( But I can always create my own
> custom LiveCD, then I don't have to worry about much. :) I will try
> one of these methods and see how things go.
>
> Thanks for the suggestions everyone.

Just wanted to report that I tried out the 64 bit Game spin Live DVD,
installed mesa-dri-drivers-experimental as Bruno had suggested, and
everything was almost perfect. I could even join a quakelive match and
spectate. (for some odd reason it didn't recognise my keystrokes
leaving no option but to spec) I also started up stellarium nigth sky
viewer, it ran very smoothly although it did crash everytime I clicked
a drop down menu. All in all, it was a very pleasant experience and I
would definitely keep trying it out from time to time along with my
proprietary drivers and switch permanently as soon as it plays my
favourite games without much trouble. :)

Thank you radeon devs. :)
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[Bruno Wolff III]

On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 03:54:59 -0500,
  suvayu ali <fatkasuvayu+linux@...> wrote:

>
> Just wanted to report that I tried out the 64 bit Game spin Live DVD,
> installed mesa-dri-drivers-experimental as Bruno had suggested, and
> everything was almost perfect. I could even join a quakelive match and
> spectate. (for some odd reason it didn't recognise my keystrokes
> leaving no option but to spec) I also started up stellarium nigth sky
> viewer, it ran very smoothly although it did crash everytime I clicked
> a drop down menu. All in all, it was a very pleasant experience and I
> would definitely keep trying it out from time to time along with my
> proprietary drivers and switch permanently as soon as it plays my
> favourite games without much trouble. :)
>
> Thank you radeon devs. :)

Thanks for testing the games spin.
I hope things will be better for F13.

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