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Re: Fedora says synce is dead?
On Saturday 05 September 2009 18:12:33 Martin Ellison wrote:
> Apparently, Fedora thinks Synce is dead; see closing comment on
> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=515646>
> Or have I misinterpreted them?
>
> Regards,
> Martin
> ( m.e@...)
Hi Martin,
just asked one of the persons active within Fedora about this. He is aware of
this issue now. As far as I know, SynCE is not dead in Fedora :)
Kind regards,
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Re: Fedora says synce is dead?
I'm the one who closed the bugreport so let me clarify that: Obviously
the synce project is not dead, but the Fedora package "synce" is dead
for 22 months (don't know exactly the reason, most probably because the
maintainer left Fedora). Besides this, there are following synce-related
packages that exist in Fedora:
claws-mail-plugins-synce
libopensync-plugin-synce
libsynce
synce-gnome
synce-gnomevfs
synce-hal
synce-kde
synce-kpm
synce-serial
synce-software-manager
synce-sync-engine
synce-trayicon
syncevolution
So either you choose wrong component in our bugzilla, or we cannot do
anything with this.
Also, the next candidate on a dead package is synce-kde which fails to
build from source because of an incompatibility with librra. I wonder
whether it shouldn't have been already obsoleted by synce-kpm?
I'm sorry for causing confusion by closing the bugreports,
Milos Jakubicek
Dne 5.9.2009 18:12, Martin Ellison napsal(a):
> Apparently, Fedora thinks Synce is dead; see closing comment on
> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=515646>
> Or have I misinterpreted them?
>
> Regards,
> Martin
> ( m.e@... <mailto: m.e@...>)
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Re: Fedora says synce is dead?
Milos Jakubicek wrote:
> Well, our "synce" package is dead for 22 months, so this bug is most probably
> assigned to wrong component. Please find out what the proper component is (e.g.
> by "rpm -qf <name-of-the-binary-you-run>") and change the component.
Wouldn't it have been easier to make the component change yourself or
reply with a helpful message the first time? I think the problem Martin
is having is related to synce-hal, but for someone who manages or has
managed synce-related packages before it probably is an easy thing to
guess.
Andri
On Sun, 2009-09-06 at 01:30 +0200, Milos Jakubicek wrote:
> I'm the one who closed the bugreport so let me clarify that: Obviously
> the synce project is not dead, but the Fedora package "synce" is dead
> for 22 months (don't know exactly the reason, most probably because the
> maintainer left Fedora). Besides this, there are following synce-related
> packages that exist in Fedora:
>
> claws-mail-plugins-synce
> libopensync-plugin-synce
> libsynce
> synce-gnome
> synce-gnomevfs
> synce-hal
> synce-kde
> synce-kpm
> synce-serial
> synce-software-manager
> synce-sync-engine
> synce-trayicon
> syncevolution
>
> So either you choose wrong component in our bugzilla, or we cannot do
> anything with this.
>
> Also, the next candidate on a dead package is synce-kde which fails to
> build from source because of an incompatibility with librra. I wonder
> whether it shouldn't have been already obsoleted by synce-kpm?
>
> I'm sorry for causing confusion by closing the bugreports,
> Milos Jakubicek
>
> Dne 5.9.2009 18:12, Martin Ellison napsal(a):
> > Apparently, Fedora thinks Synce is dead; see closing comment on
> > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=515646> >
> > Or have I misinterpreted them?
> >
> > Regards,
> > Martin
> > ( m.e@... <mailto: m.e@...>)
>
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Re: Fedora says synce is dead?
Hi Andri,
I'm very sorry but I do not know what the proper component for those
bugs is. I've never used synce and got to this just because of synce-kde
failing to build from source in Fedora. We try to avoid such packages as
far as possible (by avoiding I primarily mean fix, not remove, that's
the very last option:).
I'd be glad if you could find out the proper components for those bugs:
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=515646https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=505199https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=519469Just let me know, I'll reopen and reassign them then.
Once again sorry for the confusion & thanks for patience:)
Milos
Dne 7.9.2009 21:45, Andri Möll napsal(a):
>
> Milos Jakubicek wrote:
>> Well, our "synce" package is dead for 22 months, so this bug is most probably
>> assigned to wrong component. Please find out what the proper component is (e.g.
>> by "rpm -qf<name-of-the-binary-you-run>") and change the component.
>
> Wouldn't it have been easier to make the component change yourself or
> reply with a helpful message the first time? I think the problem Martin
> is having is related to synce-hal, but for someone who manages or has
> managed synce-related packages before it probably is an easy thing to
> guess.
>
>
> Andri
>
>
> On Sun, 2009-09-06 at 01:30 +0200, Milos Jakubicek wrote:
>> I'm the one who closed the bugreport so let me clarify that: Obviously
>> the synce project is not dead, but the Fedora package "synce" is dead
>> for 22 months (don't know exactly the reason, most probably because the
>> maintainer left Fedora). Besides this, there are following synce-related
>> packages that exist in Fedora:
>>
>> claws-mail-plugins-synce
>> libopensync-plugin-synce
>> libsynce
>> synce-gnome
>> synce-gnomevfs
>> synce-hal
>> synce-kde
>> synce-kpm
>> synce-serial
>> synce-software-manager
>> synce-sync-engine
>> synce-trayicon
>> syncevolution
>>
>> So either you choose wrong component in our bugzilla, or we cannot do
>> anything with this.
>>
>> Also, the next candidate on a dead package is synce-kde which fails to
>> build from source because of an incompatibility with librra. I wonder
>> whether it shouldn't have been already obsoleted by synce-kpm?
>>
>> I'm sorry for causing confusion by closing the bugreports,
>> Milos Jakubicek
>>
>> Dne 5.9.2009 18:12, Martin Ellison napsal(a):
>>> Apparently, Fedora thinks Synce is dead; see closing comment on
>>> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=515646>>>
>>> Or have I misinterpreted them?
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Martin
>>> ( m.e@...<mailto: m.e@...>)
>>
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Re: Fedora says synce is dead?
On Mon, 2009-09-07 at 22:51 +0200, Milos Jakubicek wrote:
> I'd be glad if you could find out the proper components for those bugs:
>
> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=515646> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=505199> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=519469>
> Just let me know, I'll reopen and reassign them then.
>
> Once again sorry for the confusion & thanks for patience:)
I see this was done, but practically speaking, you can just pick any
sync component (make a reasonable guess) and assign it, because the
maintainer is the same for the whole kaboodle (they're all Andreas). So
even if it's the wrong component, it'll go to the right guy, and he can
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Re: Fedora says synce is dead?
On Mon, 2009-09-07 at 22:51 +0200, Milos Jakubicek wrote:
> Hi Andri,
>
> I'm very sorry but I do not know what the proper component for those
> bugs is. I've never used synce and got to this just because of synce-kde
> failing to build from source in Fedora. We try to avoid such packages as
> far as possible (by avoiding I primarily mean fix, not remove, that's
> the very last option:).
>
> I'd be glad if you could find out the proper components for those bugs:
>
Milos, I have never used a red hat based distro, but I'll try and point
you in the right directions at least. If you ever need any help, feel
free to ask on the list, or point people over here.
> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=515646This one should probably be assigned to synce-hal, I cant help with
solving it as I have never used SElinux
> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=505199synce-serial-chat is a part of both synce-serial and synce-hal.
The older connection infrastructure was synce-serial and odccm. These
have been superseded by synce-hal, which contains everything it needs to
connect. synce-hal as a package should therefore conflict with both
synce-serial and odccm
> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=519469>
No idea, the reporter provides almost no useful information. Goes on
about logs without giving details, no versions etc., couldn't even guess
whats causing that
See below for some more notes.
> Just let me know, I'll reopen and reassign them then.
>
> Once again sorry for the confusion & thanks for patience:)
> Milos
>
> Dne 7.9.2009 21:45, Andri Möll napsal(a):
> >
> > Milos Jakubicek wrote:
> >> Well, our "synce" package is dead for 22 months, so this bug is most probably
> >> assigned to wrong component. Please find out what the proper component is (e.g.
> >> by "rpm -qf<name-of-the-binary-you-run>") and change the component.
> >
> > Wouldn't it have been easier to make the component change yourself or
> > reply with a helpful message the first time? I think the problem Martin
> > is having is related to synce-hal, but for someone who manages or has
> > managed synce-related packages before it probably is an easy thing to
> > guess.
> >
> >
> > Andri
> >
> >
> > On Sun, 2009-09-06 at 01:30 +0200, Milos Jakubicek wrote:
> >> I'm the one who closed the bugreport so let me clarify that: Obviously
> >> the synce project is not dead, but the Fedora package "synce" is dead
> >> for 22 months (don't know exactly the reason, most probably because the
> >> maintainer left Fedora). Besides this, there are following synce-related
> >> packages that exist in Fedora:
> >>
> >> claws-mail-plugins-synce
> >> libopensync-plugin-synce
> >> libsynce
> >> synce-gnome
> >> synce-gnomevfs
> >> synce-hal
> >> synce-kde
> >> synce-kpm
> >> synce-serial
> >> synce-software-manager
> >> synce-sync-engine
> >> synce-trayicon
> >> syncevolution
> >>
> >> So either you choose wrong component in our bugzilla, or we cannot do
> >> anything with this.
> >>
> >> Also, the next candidate on a dead package is synce-kde which fails to
> >> build from source because of an incompatibility with librra. I wonder
> >> whether it shouldn't have been already obsoleted by synce-kpm?
synce-kpm isn't a direct replacement for synce-kde, but synce-kde has
been completely unmaintained for a number of years and will never be
updated, so on any system using librra 0.14 and up it is effectively
unuseable, and should be marked as dead.
> >>
> >> I'm sorry for causing confusion by closing the bugreports,
> >> Milos Jakubicek
> >>
> >> Dne 5.9.2009 18:12, Martin Ellison napsal(a):
> >>> Apparently, Fedora thinks Synce is dead; see closing comment on
> >>> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=515646> >>>
> >>> Or have I misinterpreted them?
> >>>
> >>> Regards,
> >>> Martin
> >>> ( m.e@...<mailto: m.e@...>)
> >>
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Re: Fedora says synce is dead?
On Tue, 2009-09-08 at 18:40 +0100, Mark Ellis wrote:
> The older connection infrastructure was synce-serial and odccm. These
> have been superseded by synce-hal, which contains everything it needs to
> connect. synce-hal as a package should therefore conflict with both
> synce-serial and odccm
actually it should (and does) obsolete them, not conflict with them. The
old packages haven't actually been removed from Fedora yet, though (they
should be).
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Re: Fedora says synce is dead?
On Tue, 2009-09-08 at 20:01 +0200, Adam Williamson wrote:
> On Tue, 2009-09-08 at 18:40 +0100, Mark Ellis wrote:
>
> > The older connection infrastructure was synce-serial and odccm. These
> > have been superseded by synce-hal, which contains everything it needs to
> > connect. synce-hal as a package should therefore conflict with both
> > synce-serial and odccm
>
> actually it should (and does) obsolete them, not conflict with them. The
> old packages haven't actually been removed from Fedora yet, though (they
> should be).
>
That would be fine too, I don't know what's available in rpm format. Deb
doesn't have an 'obsolete' option.
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Re: Fedora says synce is dead?
On Tue, 2009-09-08 at 19:07 +0100, Mark Ellis wrote:
> On Tue, 2009-09-08 at 20:01 +0200, Adam Williamson wrote:
> > On Tue, 2009-09-08 at 18:40 +0100, Mark Ellis wrote:
> >
> > > The older connection infrastructure was synce-serial and odccm. These
> > > have been superseded by synce-hal, which contains everything it needs to
> > > connect. synce-hal as a package should therefore conflict with both
> > > synce-serial and odccm
> >
> > actually it should (and does) obsolete them, not conflict with them. The
> > old packages haven't actually been removed from Fedora yet, though (they
> > should be).
> >
>
> That would be fine too, I don't know what's available in rpm format. Deb
> doesn't have an 'obsolete' option.
out of interest, then, how do Debian-style distros handle this case? How
does Debian know to replace, say, odccm with hal-dccm? If they just
conflict with each other, that's not enough information to know that
hal-dccm is the New Hotness and should replace odccm when someone does
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Re: Fedora says synce is dead?
On Tue, 2009-09-08 at 20:47 +0200, Adam Williamson wrote:
> On Tue, 2009-09-08 at 19:07 +0100, Mark Ellis wrote:
> > On Tue, 2009-09-08 at 20:01 +0200, Adam Williamson wrote:
> > > On Tue, 2009-09-08 at 18:40 +0100, Mark Ellis wrote:
> > >
> > > > The older connection infrastructure was synce-serial and odccm. These
> > > > have been superseded by synce-hal, which contains everything it needs to
> > > > connect. synce-hal as a package should therefore conflict with both
> > > > synce-serial and odccm
> > >
> > > actually it should (and does) obsolete them, not conflict with them. The
> > > old packages haven't actually been removed from Fedora yet, though (they
> > > should be).
> > >
> >
> > That would be fine too, I don't know what's available in rpm format. Deb
> > doesn't have an 'obsolete' option.
>
> out of interest, then, how do Debian-style distros handle this case? How
> does Debian know to replace, say, odccm with hal-dccm? If they just
> conflict with each other, that's not enough information to know that
> hal-dccm is the New Hotness and should replace odccm when someone does
> an upgrade...
>
>
Not completely sure actually. There is a 'replaces' relationship, but I
don't think it's the same as 'obsoletes'. Something I have seen, though
I don't know how common it is, is for a dummy upgrade to depend on the
new package, eg the new version of the odccm package would be empty, but
would depend on synce-hal.
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Re: Fedora says synce is dead?
On Tue, Sep 08, 2009 at 08:02:27PM +0100, Mark Ellis wrote:
> On Tue, 2009-09-08 at 20:47 +0200, Adam Williamson wrote:
[...]
> > out of interest, then, how do Debian-style distros handle this case?
> > How does Debian know to replace, say, odccm with hal-dccm? If they
> > just conflict with each other, that's not enough information to know
> > that hal-dccm is the New Hotness and should replace odccm when
> > someone does an upgrade...
> >
> >
>
> Not completely sure actually. There is a 'replaces' relationship, but
> I don't think it's the same as 'obsoletes'. Something I have seen,
> though I don't know how common it is, is for a dummy upgrade to depend
> on the new package, eg the new version of the odccm package would be
> empty, but would depend on synce-hal.
Debian packages can specify both "Replaces:" and "Conflicts:", which
signals to the packaging system that the new package both replaces the
old one and is incompatible with it.
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