Feedzirra (more importantly, curb) on JRuby?

[MDWeezer]

Good afternoon everyone,

Has anyone had to deal with finding an alternative to curb (an
interface to curl) that's JRuby friendly?

I'm moving a system over from MRI that's using Feedzirra
(http://github.com/pauldix/feedzirra/tree/master) and the alternatives
to Feedzirra have been so so...

Thanks!
-Matt

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[Nick Sieger-2]

On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 2:21 PM, Matthew
Williams<matthew.d.williams@...> wrote:
> Good afternoon everyone,
>
> Has anyone had to deal with finding an alternative to curb (an
> interface to curl) that's JRuby friendly?

I haven't looked closely at curb, but is there any chance it could be FFI-ized?

/Nick

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[James Abley]

2009/7/2 Nick Sieger <nicksieger@...>:

> On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 2:21 PM, Matthew
> Williams<matthew.d.williams@...> wrote:
>> Good afternoon everyone,
>>
>> Has anyone had to deal with finding an alternative to curb (an
>> interface to curl) that's JRuby friendly?
>
> I haven't looked closely at curb, but is there any chance it could be FFI-ized?
>
> /Nick
>

ROME is a pretty reasonable RSS library for Java. Not sure how much
effort you'd have to move off Feedzirra though.

Cheers,

James

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[Charles Oliver Nutter-4]

On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 2:21 PM, Matthew
Williams<matthew.d.williams@...> wrote:
> Has anyone had to deal with finding an alternative to curb (an
> interface to curl) that's JRuby friendly?
>
> I'm moving a system over from MRI that's using Feedzirra
> (http://github.com/pauldix/feedzirra/tree/master) and the alternatives
> to Feedzirra have been so so...

Curb has come up a couple times...enough that it seems like a good
project to create a Curb-compatible wrapper around some Java HTTP
library. Anyone want to look into it and see how much effort would be
required? It can't be that hard...

- Charlie

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[James Abley]

2009/7/3 Charles Oliver Nutter <headius@...>:

> On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 2:21 PM, Matthew
> Williams<matthew.d.williams@...> wrote:
>> Has anyone had to deal with finding an alternative to curb (an
>> interface to curl) that's JRuby friendly?
>>
>> I'm moving a system over from MRI that's using Feedzirra
>> (http://github.com/pauldix/feedzirra/tree/master) and the alternatives
>> to Feedzirra have been so so...
>
> Curb has come up a couple times...enough that it seems like a good
> project to create a Curb-compatible wrapper around some Java HTTP
> library. Anyone want to look into it and see how much effort would be
> required? It can't be that hard...
>
> - Charlie
>

I quite fancy that. It's a nice mix of my (supposed!) skills. Is there
a HOWTO or something for porting, and any suggested good examples;
e.g. should I look at nokogiri as an example of how to provide a
Java-specific version of a gem?

Cheers,

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[MDWeezer]

I don't know why I didn't see this before, but I found this repo and
will be doing some testing this morning to see if I can get Feedzirra
functioning with it.

http://github.com/trotter/curb-ffi/tree/master

I'd appreciate if anyone with more knowledge on FFI could take a look
at the repo and chime in and perhaps give it the yay or nay on if it
looks like a viable FFT'ized curb lib.

Thanks!
-Matthew Williams
@mwilliams

On Sat, Jul 4, 2009 at 4:34 PM, James Abley<james.abley@...> wrote:

> 2009/7/3 Charles Oliver Nutter <headius@...>:
>> On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 2:21 PM, Matthew
>> Williams<matthew.d.williams@...> wrote:
>>> Has anyone had to deal with finding an alternative to curb (an
>>> interface to curl) that's JRuby friendly?
>>>
>>> I'm moving a system over from MRI that's using Feedzirra
>>> (http://github.com/pauldix/feedzirra/tree/master) and the alternatives
>>> to Feedzirra have been so so...
>>
>> Curb has come up a couple times...enough that it seems like a good
>> project to create a Curb-compatible wrapper around some Java HTTP
>> library. Anyone want to look into it and see how much effort would be
>> required? It can't be that hard...
>>
>> - Charlie
>>
>
> I quite fancy that. It's a nice mix of my (supposed!) skills. Is there
> a HOWTO or something for porting, and any suggested good examples;
> e.g. should I look at nokogiri as an example of how to provide a
> Java-specific version of a gem?
>
> Cheers,
>
> James
>
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[Hirotsugu Asari]

There's nothing meaningful in it.

http://github.com/trotter/curb-ffi/blob/de50b4ded141af5ccbbc7b5c62d9a61c55d283a1/lib/curb_ffi.rb

On Jul 6, 2009, at 7:38 AM, Matthew Williams wrote:

> I don't know why I didn't see this before, but I found this repo and
> will be doing some testing this morning to see if I can get Feedzirra
> functioning with it.
>
> http://github.com/trotter/curb-ffi/tree/master
>
> I'd appreciate if anyone with more knowledge on FFI could take a look
> at the repo and chime in and perhaps give it the yay or nay on if it
> looks like a viable FFT'ized curb lib.
>
> Thanks!
> -Matthew Williams
> @mwilliams
>
> On Sat, Jul 4, 2009 at 4:34 PM, James Abley<james.abley@...>  
> wrote:
>> 2009/7/3 Charles Oliver Nutter <headius@...>:
>>> On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 2:21 PM, Matthew
>>> Williams<matthew.d.williams@...> wrote:
>>>> Has anyone had to deal with finding an alternative to curb (an
>>>> interface to curl) that's JRuby friendly?
>>>>
>>>> I'm moving a system over from MRI that's using Feedzirra
>>>> (http://github.com/pauldix/feedzirra/tree/master) and the  
>>>> alternatives
>>>> to Feedzirra have been so so...
>>>
>>> Curb has come up a couple times...enough that it seems like a good
>>> project to create a Curb-compatible wrapper around some Java HTTP
>>> library. Anyone want to look into it and see how much effort would  
>>> be
>>> required? It can't be that hard...
>>>
>>> - Charlie
>>>
>>
>> I quite fancy that. It's a nice mix of my (supposed!) skills. Is  
>> there
>> a HOWTO or something for porting, and any suggested good examples;
>> e.g. should I look at nokogiri as an example of how to provide a
>> Java-specific version of a gem?
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> James
>>
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[MDWeezer]

That I caught (and found odd) but there's a wrapper inside the lib directory:

http://github.com/trotter/curb-ffi/blob/de50b4ded141af5ccbbc7b5c62d9a61c55d283a1/lib/curb_ffi/libcurl_easy_wrapper.rb

Is this anything meaningful or able to be utilized?

On Mon, Jul 6, 2009 at 8:52 AM, Hirotsugu Asari<asari.ruby@...> wrote:

> There's nothing meaningful in it.
>
> http://github.com/trotter/curb-ffi/blob/de50b4ded141af5ccbbc7b5c62d9a61c55d283a1/lib/curb_ffi.rb
>
> On Jul 6, 2009, at 7:38 AM, Matthew Williams wrote:
>
>> I don't know why I didn't see this before, but I found this repo and
>> will be doing some testing this morning to see if I can get Feedzirra
>> functioning with it.
>>
>> http://github.com/trotter/curb-ffi/tree/master
>>
>> I'd appreciate if anyone with more knowledge on FFI could take a look
>> at the repo and chime in and perhaps give it the yay or nay on if it
>> looks like a viable FFT'ized curb lib.
>>
>> Thanks!
>> -Matthew Williams
>> @mwilliams
>>
>> On Sat, Jul 4, 2009 at 4:34 PM, James Abley<james.abley@...> wrote:
>>>
>>> 2009/7/3 Charles Oliver Nutter <headius@...>:
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 2:21 PM, Matthew
>>>> Williams<matthew.d.williams@...> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Has anyone had to deal with finding an alternative to curb (an
>>>>> interface to curl) that's JRuby friendly?
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm moving a system over from MRI that's using Feedzirra
>>>>> (http://github.com/pauldix/feedzirra/tree/master) and the alternatives
>>>>> to Feedzirra have been so so...
>>>>
>>>> Curb has come up a couple times...enough that it seems like a good
>>>> project to create a Curb-compatible wrapper around some Java HTTP
>>>> library. Anyone want to look into it and see how much effort would be
>>>> required? It can't be that hard...
>>>>
>>>> - Charlie
>>>>
>>>
>>> I quite fancy that. It's a nice mix of my (supposed!) skills. Is there
>>> a HOWTO or something for porting, and any suggested good examples;
>>> e.g. should I look at nokogiri as an example of how to provide a
>>> Java-specific version of a gem?
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>> James
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[Hirotsugu Asari]

I don't think so.  Not in the present state, anyway.

It's not clear to me what we are supposed to 'require'.

There is nothing in curb_ffi.rb.  So there's no use in 'require  
"curb_ffi"'.

Requiring 'curb_ffi/libcurl_easy_wrapper' is not only cumbersome, but  
there is very little.  (And it defines methods in CurbFfi::Curl::Easy,  
which is not compatible with curb.)

On Jul 6, 2009, at 8:25 AM, Matthew Williams wrote:

> That I caught (and found odd) but there's a wrapper inside the lib  
> directory:
>
> http://github.com/trotter/curb-ffi/blob/de50b4ded141af5ccbbc7b5c62d9a61c55d283a1/lib/curb_ffi/libcurl_easy_wrapper.rb
>
> Is this anything meaningful or able to be utilized?


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[MDWeezer]

Thanks for the analyzing!  For now I'm going to stick with a pure Ruby
RSS parser for now (I could opt for some in Java but we would like to
keep this compatible with MRI as well).

-MW
@mwilliams

On Mon, Jul 6, 2009 at 10:04 AM, Hirotsugu Asari<asari.ruby@...> wrote:

> I don't think so.  Not in the present state, anyway.
>
> It's not clear to me what we are supposed to 'require'.
>
> There is nothing in curb_ffi.rb.  So there's no use in 'require "curb_ffi"'.
>
> Requiring 'curb_ffi/libcurl_easy_wrapper' is not only cumbersome, but there
> is very little.  (And it defines methods in CurbFfi::Curl::Easy, which is
> not compatible with curb.)
>
> On Jul 6, 2009, at 8:25 AM, Matthew Williams wrote:
>
>> That I caught (and found odd) but there's a wrapper inside the lib
>> directory:
>>
>>
>> http://github.com/trotter/curb-ffi/blob/de50b4ded141af5ccbbc7b5c62d9a61c55d283a1/lib/curb_ffi/libcurl_easy_wrapper.rb
>>
>> Is this anything meaningful or able to be utilized?
>
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[MDWeezer]

If anyone has interest in Feedzirra with JRuby, my co-worker and I
paired on a solution this morning.  It now falls back on NET:HTTP if
curb isn't available.  It's not as speedy but it does the trick and
Feedzirra does an awesome job parsing feeds!

http://github.com/mwilliams/feedzirra/tree/master

I exchanged e-mails with the original author and he mentioned he has
plans to make master JRuby friendly with an FFI solution for curb or
with another JRuby friendly library.

-MW
@mwilliams

On Mon, Jul 6, 2009 at 10:20 AM, Matthew
Williams<matthew.d.williams@...> wrote:

> Thanks for the analyzing!  For now I'm going to stick with a pure Ruby
> RSS parser for now (I could opt for some in Java but we would like to
> keep this compatible with MRI as well).
>
> -MW
> @mwilliams
>
> On Mon, Jul 6, 2009 at 10:04 AM, Hirotsugu Asari<asari.ruby@...> wrote:
>> I don't think so.  Not in the present state, anyway.
>>
>> It's not clear to me what we are supposed to 'require'.
>>
>> There is nothing in curb_ffi.rb.  So there's no use in 'require "curb_ffi"'.
>>
>> Requiring 'curb_ffi/libcurl_easy_wrapper' is not only cumbersome, but there
>> is very little.  (And it defines methods in CurbFfi::Curl::Easy, which is
>> not compatible with curb.)
>>
>> On Jul 6, 2009, at 8:25 AM, Matthew Williams wrote:
>>
>>> That I caught (and found odd) but there's a wrapper inside the lib
>>> directory:
>>>
>>>
>>> http://github.com/trotter/curb-ffi/blob/de50b4ded141af5ccbbc7b5c62d9a61c55d283a1/lib/curb_ffi/libcurl_easy_wrapper.rb
>>>
>>> Is this anything meaningful or able to be utilized?
>>
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[Charles Oliver Nutter-4]

On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 2:46 PM, Matthew
Williams<matthew.d.williams@...> wrote:
> If anyone has interest in Feedzirra with JRuby, my co-worker and I
> paired on a solution this morning.  It now falls back on NET:HTTP if
> curb isn't available.  It's not as speedy but it does the trick and
> Feedzirra does an awesome job parsing feeds!
>
> http://github.com/mwilliams/feedzirra/tree/master

That's awesome! Is this going to get merged back in for the interim?

> I exchanged e-mails with the original author and he mentioned he has
> plans to make master JRuby friendly with an FFI solution for curb or
> with another JRuby friendly library.

A Java library would be the best, without a doubt. I think we need
some JRubyists to jump on this and maybe steer him in the right
direction, since an FFI version would work but would not be deployable
to secured environments (native libs and all). Anybody interested in
collaborating on a curb using builtin Java libs?

- Charlie

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[MDWeezer]

On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 4:04 PM, Charles Oliver
Nutter<headius@...> wrote:

> On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 2:46 PM, Matthew
> Williams<matthew.d.williams@...> wrote:
>> If anyone has interest in Feedzirra with JRuby, my co-worker and I
>> paired on a solution this morning.  It now falls back on NET:HTTP if
>> curb isn't available.  It's not as speedy but it does the trick and
>> Feedzirra does an awesome job parsing feeds!
>>
>> http://github.com/mwilliams/feedzirra/tree/master
>
> That's awesome! Is this going to get merged back in for the interim?
>

I pinged him

with a link to the commit, he mentioned he would like to take a look
when we had something.  Feedzirra will fetch feeds concurrently, we
had thought about adding threading to our implementation so it could
do the same but right now it will just pop them off a stack and fetch
one at a time.  So it's not entirely up to par with the curb
implementation and is certainly much slower.

I'm not sure if he plans on merging into his master, though we do have
specs written.

Looking back at his message on GitHub, he plans on switching Feedzirra
over to Typhoeus (a HTTP lib he wrote) and using that with FFI.
Though I don't want to speak for him so who knows :).

If he follows through with his intentions, that would be great, but in
the meantime, this will do (for us anyway, feel free to hack away!).

-Matt
@mwilliams

>> I exchanged e-mails with the original author and he mentioned he has
>> plans to make master JRuby friendly with an FFI solution for curb or
>> with another JRuby friendly library.
>
> A Java library would be the best, without a doubt. I think we need
> some JRubyists to jump on this and maybe steer him in the right
> direction, since an FFI version would work but would not be deployable
> to secured environments (native libs and all). Anybody interested in
> collaborating on a curb using builtin Java libs?
>
> - Charlie
>
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[James Abley]

I would be interested in spending some time on this, but I'd need some help. I'll check the wiki for starting points and start a new thread with any questions.

Cheers,

James

On Jul 7, 2009 9:04 PM, "Charles Oliver Nutter" <headius@...> wrote:

On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 2:46 PM, Matthew

Williams<matthew.d.williams@...> wrote:

> If anyone has interest in Feedzirra with JRuby, my co-worker and I > paired on a solution this mor...

That's awesome! Is this going to get merged back in for the interim?

> I exchanged e-mails with the original author and he mentioned he has > plans to make master JRuby...

A Java library would be the best, without a doubt. I think we need
some JRubyists to jump on this and maybe steer him in the right
direction, since an FFI version would work but would not be deployable
to secured environments (native libs and all). Anybody interested in
collaborating on a curb using builtin Java libs?

- Charlie

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[Charles Oliver Nutter-4]

Well really the simplest starting point would be to figure out what
the public API for Curb is and give some thought to a Java library
(ideally something in every JDK) that could be trivially wrapped.

A first pass could be all in Ruby, and that may even be enough for a
first release. For performance, we may or may not want to then make it
a full-on JRuby extension. We can help with that when the time comes.

Other questions? I'd toss a few commits in there if you can get it started.

On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 11:53 PM, James Abley<james.abley@...> wrote:

> I would be interested in spending some time on this, but I'd need some help.
> I'll check the wiki for starting points and start a new thread with any
> questions.
>
> Cheers,
>
> James
>
> On Jul 7, 2009 9:04 PM, "Charles Oliver Nutter" <headius@...> wrote:
>
> On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 2:46 PM, Matthew
>
> Williams<matthew.d.williams@...> wrote:
>
>> If anyone has interest in Feedzirra with JRuby, my co-worker and I >
>> paired on a solution this mor...
>
> That's awesome! Is this going to get merged back in for the interim?
>
>> I exchanged e-mails with the original author and he mentioned he has >
>> plans to make master JRuby...
>
> A Java library would be the best, without a doubt. I think we need
> some JRubyists to jump on this and maybe steer him in the right
> direction, since an FFI version would work but would not be deployable
> to secured environments (native libs and all). Anybody interested in
> collaborating on a curb using builtin Java libs?
>
> - Charlie
>
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[Hirotsugu Asari]

Incidentally, I started really implementing curb-ffi that was  
previously mentioned.  Anyone interested?

  jirb -I lib -rubygems  -r curl
jirb(main):001:0> e=Curl::Easy.new('http://www.google.com')
=> #<Curl::Easy:0x1872a8 @url="http://www.google.com",  
@easy=#<MemoryPointer address=0x124470 size=4>, responsenil
jirb(main):002:0> e.http_get
0
* About to connect() to www.google.com port 80 (#0)
*   Trying 208.67.217.230... * connected
* Connected to www.google.com (208.67.217.230) port 80 (#0)
 > GET / HTTP/1.1
Host: www.google.com
Accept: */*

< HTTP/1.0 200 OK
< Cache-Control: private, max-age=0
< Date: Wed, 08 Jul 2009 05:36:04 GMT
< Expires: -1
< Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1
< Set-Cookie:  
PREF
=ID=159c823cc7fc374f:TM=1247031364:LM=1247031364:S=rL2Xf44F3KV8GYmX;  
expires=Fri, 08-Jul-2011 05:36:04 GMT; path=/; domain=.google.com

...

On Jul 8, 2009, at 3:44 AM, Charles Oliver Nutter wrote:

> Well really the simplest starting point would be to figure out what
> the public API for Curb is and give some thought to a Java library
> (ideally something in every JDK) that could be trivially wrapped.
>
> A first pass could be all in Ruby, and that may even be enough for a
> first release. For performance, we may or may not want to then make it
> a full-on JRuby extension. We can help with that when the time comes.
>
> Other questions? I'd toss a few commits in there if you can get it  
> started.
>
> On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 11:53 PM, James Abley<james.abley@...>  
> wrote:
>> I would be interested in spending some time on this, but I'd need  
>> some help.
>> I'll check the wiki for starting points and start a new thread with  
>> any
>> questions.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> James
>>
>> On Jul 7, 2009 9:04 PM, "Charles Oliver Nutter"  
>> <headius@...> wrote:
>>
>> On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 2:46 PM, Matthew
>>
>> Williams<matthew.d.williams@...> wrote:
>>
>>> If anyone has interest in Feedzirra with JRuby, my co-worker and I >
>>> paired on a solution this mor...
>>
>> That's awesome! Is this going to get merged back in for the interim?
>>
>>> I exchanged e-mails with the original author and he mentioned he  
>>> has >
>>> plans to make master JRuby...
>>
>> A Java library would be the best, without a doubt. I think we need
>> some JRubyists to jump on this and maybe steer him in the right
>> direction, since an FFI version would work but would not be  
>> deployable
>> to secured environments (native libs and all). Anybody interested in
>> collaborating on a curb using builtin Java libs?
>>
>> - Charlie
>>
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[Charles Oliver Nutter-4]

On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 9:06 AM, Hirotsugu Asari<asari.ruby@...> wrote:
> Incidentally, I started really implementing curb-ffi that was previously
> mentioned.  Anyone interested?

Very nice! It would at least get people off the ground when hosting in
non-secured environments where native libraries can be loaded. Got it
in a repository somewhere? I can tweet for help on @jruby.

- Charlie

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[MDWeezer]

Here's a thread from the Feedzirra Google Group on getting Feedzirra on JRuby.

http://groups.google.com/group/feedzirra/browse_thread/thread/db64fac5b5125af0

The author mentions his plans on his approach.  Maybe it would be
worth getting someone with more of a JRuby background to chime in and
maybe add some insight for him?

Needless to say I'm extremely pleased with how much this topic has
been embraced by the JRuby community.  You guys rock.  And Charles,
your amount of dedication and available in #jruby is unbelievable (and
it's always been a pleasure seeing you speak at the variety of
conferences I've been able to attend).

Bravo!

-Matthew Williams
@mwilliams

On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 12:56 PM, Charles Oliver
Nutter<headius@...> wrote:

> On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 9:06 AM, Hirotsugu Asari<asari.ruby@...> wrote:
>> Incidentally, I started really implementing curb-ffi that was previously
>> mentioned.  Anyone interested?
>
> Very nice! It would at least get people off the ground when hosting in
> non-secured environments where native libraries can be loaded. Got it
> in a repository somewhere? I can tweet for help on @jruby.
>
> - Charlie
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[Charles Oliver Nutter-4]

On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 8:42 AM, Matthew
Williams<matthew.d.williams@...> wrote:
> Here's a thread from the Feedzirra Google Group on getting Feedzirra on JRuby.
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/feedzirra/browse_thread/thread/db64fac5b5125af0
>
> The author mentions his plans on his approach.  Maybe it would be
> worth getting someone with more of a JRuby background to chime in and
> maybe add some insight for him?

Yeah, good idea. I'll try to pop over there and see if I can offer any
suggestions.

> Needless to say I'm extremely pleased with how much this topic has
> been embraced by the JRuby community.  You guys rock.  And Charles,
> your amount of dedication and available in #jruby is unbelievable (and
> it's always been a pleasure seeing you speak at the variety of
> conferences I've been able to attend).

Well, thanks, and I'm sure the rest of the community thanks you as well :)

- Charlie

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