Firefox 3.5 released

[Steve Piercy]

http://www.mozilla.com/en-US/firefox/upgrade.html

All my extensions, except YSlow and Selenium work.  For compatibility, you can run multiple versions of FF:

http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?t=613873

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[Steve Piercy]

On Wednesday, July 1, 2009, Web@... (Steve Piercy - Web Site Builder) pronounced:

>http://www.mozilla.com/en-US/firefox/upgrade.html
>
>All my extensions, except YSlow and Selenium work.  For compatibility, you can run
>multiple versions of FF:
>
>http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?t=613873

Google Maps now loads super fast in FF3.5, faster than Safari 4, whereas in FF3.0 Google Maps was agonizingly slow.

This is my new favorite plugin.  Last thing I want is to have my browser look *anything* like IE.  bah!
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/10535

And how to migrate passwords.
http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=1307985

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[Jonathan Vanherpe (T & T NV)]

Steve Piercy - Web Site Builder wrote:

> On Wednesday, July 1, 2009, Web@... (Steve Piercy - Web Site Builder) pronounced:
>
>> http://www.mozilla.com/en-US/firefox/upgrade.html
>>
>> All my extensions, except YSlow and Selenium work.  For compatibility, you can run
>> multiple versions of FF:
>>
>> http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?t=613873
>
> Google Maps now loads super fast in FF3.5, faster than Safari 4, whereas in FF3.0 Google Maps was agonizingly slow.
>
> This is my new favorite plugin.  Last thing I want is to have my browser look *anything* like IE.  bah!
> https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/10535
>
> And how to migrate passwords.
> http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=1307985
>
> --steve
>

I've been running pre-release versions of FF3.5 for a while now and it
has some neat stuff for us web developers too, like the <video> tag,
faster javascript, @font-face support (which now works in Firefox and
Safari, and I believe Chrome too).

wrl to video: this website lists a way of embedding video on websites
without javascript in a way that works for everybody, choosing the
solution that sucks less first:
http://camendesign.com/code/video_for_everybody
The only drawback is that you have to encode your video in a couple of
different formats (which is relatively trivial with handbrake or plain
ffmpeg).

Jonathan

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[Jason Huck]

> I've been running pre-release versions of FF3.5 for a while now and it has
> some neat stuff for us web developers too, like the <video> tag, faster
> javascript, @font-face support (which now works in Firefox and Safari, and I
> believe Chrome too).

It's also supported by Opera 10*, currently in beta, which is shaping
up to be a very nice browser. Opera's "DragonFly" debugging console is
on par with Firebug, and more intuitive IMO than Safari's Web
Inspector. Opera's support for current and emerging standards is --
and always has been -- excellent, and it is blazingly fast. I've
always admired Opera for their commitment to standards, exceptional
performance, and innovation. They are often first to introduce
features like Speed Dial, which then get ripped off by competitors
(i.e., Safari's "Top Sites").

However, in the past, odd interface decisions in the browser chrome
always kept me from adopting it as my primary browser. With version
10, they've finally refined the UI to the point where, though it is
still unique, enough stuff is in the "normal" places that it doesn't
bother me any more. If you haven't taken a look at Opera in a while,
it's worth checking out:

http://www.opera.com/browser/next/

- jason


*(That leaves out just one major rendering engine, IE. There's not
even experimental support for it in version 8. Big surprise, huh?)



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[Jonathan Vanherpe (T & T NV)]

Jason Huck wrote:

>> I've been running pre-release versions of FF3.5 for a while now and it has
>> some neat stuff for us web developers too, like the <video> tag, faster
>> javascript, @font-face support (which now works in Firefox and Safari, and I
>> believe Chrome too).
>
> It's also supported by Opera 10*, currently in beta, which is shaping
> up to be a very nice browser. Opera's "DragonFly" debugging console is
> on par with Firebug, and more intuitive IMO than Safari's Web
> Inspector. Opera's support for current and emerging standards is --
> and always has been -- excellent, and it is blazingly fast. I've
> always admired Opera for their commitment to standards, exceptional
> performance, and innovation. They are often first to introduce
> features like Speed Dial, which then get ripped off by competitors
> (i.e., Safari's "Top Sites").
>
> However, in the past, odd interface decisions in the browser chrome
> always kept me from adopting it as my primary browser. With version
> 10, they've finally refined the UI to the point where, though it is
> still unique, enough stuff is in the "normal" places that it doesn't
> bother me any more. If you haven't taken a look at Opera in a while,
> it's worth checking out:
>
> http://www.opera.com/browser/next/
>
> - jason
>
>
> *(That leaves out just one major rendering engine, IE. There's not
> even experimental support for it in version 8. Big surprise, huh?)

I try Opera with every release, but for some reason I always find myself
saying 'meh' and going back to Firefox. I can't really say what gives me
this feeling, as it really is a great browser, and it has always been
one of the fastest and most full-featured browser around.

I guess it's the extensions in Firefox that really make the browser.
Html validator, Firebug, flashblock and adblock plus are things I really
want in a browser.

Jonathan
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[Brad Lindsay-2]

On Jul 2, 2009, at 4:35 AM, Jason Huck wrote:
> Opera's support for current and emerging standards is --
> and always has been -- excellent, and it is blazingly fast. I've
> always admired Opera for their commitment to standards, exceptional
> performance, and innovation.


That's one thing that has always bothered me about Firefox.  It's not  
that they're not committed to web standards, but it is definitely not  
one of their priorities.  While Safari and Opera worked hard to ensure  
their next browser releases passed the Acid 2 and then the Acid 3  
test, Firefox seems to always wait for the next two releases.  (This  
release doesn't pass the Acid 3 test)

I've been playing with the new Opera 10 beta and have been much more  
impressed then previous versions.  The program actually starts quickly  
on my Mac, and I like what they've done with the new UI.  It's become  
my secondary browser of choice lately and is definitely worth a look.


-Brad

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[Jason Huck]

I've used Firefox as my primary browser for a long time. My biggest
gripe is that each new major release starts out nice and fast, but as
they plug security holes and fix bugs with point releases, it just
gets slower and slower. And, the more plugins you add, the slower it
gets as well, especially on older hardware.

We have a crusty old G4 in our conference room powering the projector.
Scrolling a window in Firefox on that machine is so slow and clunky
you sometimes see beachballs in between each staggering step, and the
only plugin it's running is Firebug. I can pop open the same page in
Opera on that machine -- with DragonFly active -- and it's just as
fast and smooth as it is on newer machines.

- jason




On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 8:44 AM, Brad Lindsay<blindsay@...> wrote:

> On Jul 2, 2009, at 4:35 AM, Jason Huck wrote:
>>
>> Opera's support for current and emerging standards is --
>> and always has been -- excellent, and it is blazingly fast. I've
>> always admired Opera for their commitment to standards, exceptional
>> performance, and innovation.
>
>
> That's one thing that has always bothered me about Firefox.  It's not that
> they're not committed to web standards, but it is definitely not one of
> their priorities.  While Safari and Opera worked hard to ensure their next
> browser releases passed the Acid 2 and then the Acid 3 test, Firefox seems
> to always wait for the next two releases.  (This release doesn't pass the
> Acid 3 test)
>
> I've been playing with the new Opera 10 beta and have been much more
> impressed then previous versions.  The program actually starts quickly on my
> Mac, and I like what they've done with the new UI.  It's become my secondary
> browser of choice lately and is definitely worth a look.
>
>
> -Brad
>
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[bilcorry]

Jonathan Vanherpe (T & T NV) wrote on 7/2/2009 1:46 AM:
> The only drawback is that you have to encode your video in a couple of
> different formats (which is relatively trivial with handbrake or plain
> ffmpeg).

Judging from the numerous responses on the WHATWG list[1], it's likely to remain this way for some time -- the browser vendors can not agree on a single codec to commonly support.


- Bil

[1] This barely scratches the surface: http://lists.whatwg.org/pipermail/whatwg-whatwg.org/2009-June/020620.html


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[Jonathan Vanherpe (T & T NV)]

Bil Corry wrote:

> Jonathan Vanherpe (T & T NV) wrote on 7/2/2009 1:46 AM:
>> The only drawback is that you have to encode your video in a couple of
>> different formats (which is relatively trivial with handbrake or plain
>> ffmpeg).
>
> Judging from the numerous responses on the WHATWG list[1], it's likely to remain this way for some time -- the browser vendors can not agree on a single codec to commonly support.
>
>
> - Bil
>
> [1] This barely scratches the surface: http://lists.whatwg.org/pipermail/whatwg-whatwg.org/2009-June/020620.html

Apparently Opera announced yesterday that they'll implement theora:
http://lists.whatwg.org/pipermail/whatwg-whatwg.org/2009-July/020696.html

So this leaves only Safari and Internet Explorer as the only ones that
won't implement it yet.

Jonathan
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