First drafts for the OOoCon09 impress templates

[Bernhard Dippold-2]

Hi all,

I uploaded links to two drafts (John's and a second one I did) for the
OOoCon presentations to the gallery page:
http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Art/Gallery/ImpressTemplates

At the screenshot pages I put the links to the impress files (as I
forgot to save them as templates, they are still normal presentations).

All comments are welcome :-)

Best regards

Bernhard

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[Cor Nouws]

Hi Bernard,

Bernhard Dippold wrote (17-09-09 23:50)
> I uploaded links to two drafts (John's and a second one I did) for the
> OOoCon presentations to the gallery page:
> http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Art/Gallery/ImpressTemplates
>
> At the screenshot pages I put the links to the impress files (as I
> forgot to save them as templates, they are still normal presentations).
>
> All comments are welcome :-)

Thanks a lot. Look very good to me.
When we look to the demand black-white printing, I would choose for the
minimalistic line-version.
The bullets of that version do not show correctly however, on my (older)
linux os.
The bullets on the graphical based slide are OK.

Also the curvers do not show smoothly. While Anti-aliasing is activated.
But again: an older linux OS on an older (5+yrs) laptop.


Regards,
Cor

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[Bernhard Dippold-2]

Hi Cor, all,

Cor Nouws schrieb:

> Hi Bernard,
>
> Bernhard Dippold wrote (17-09-09 23:50)
>> I uploaded links to two drafts (John's and a second one I did) for the
>> OOoCon presentations to the gallery page:
>> http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Art/Gallery/ImpressTemplates
>>
>> At the screenshot pages I put the links to the impress files (as I
>> forgot to save them as templates, they are still normal presentations).
>>
>> All comments are welcome :-)
>
> Thanks a lot. Look very good to me.
> When we look to the demand black-white printing, I would choose for the
> minimalistic line-version.

IMHO it depends on the amount of text to be added to the template.
I did the minimalistic version, because I thought, the graphical based
version looked too crowded with more text than just a few lines.

I did a black-white screenshot of the gradient slide: Except of the town
part of the OOoCon logo it works quite good...

(By the way: The gradient in the header is converted to vertical instead
of horizontal whenever I reopen the file...)

> The bullets of that version do not show correctly however, on my (older)
> linux os.

I think you refer to the bullets of the listed items.
Perhaps they don't render correctly with older OOo versions? I don't
know if there has been any modification to the standard bullets in a
recent OOo version.

If so, reworking the template with an older OOo might solve the problem.

(I use an older laptop too :-) )

> The bullets on the graphical based slide are OK.
Done with OOo-Dev 3.2 (m56).
>
> Also the curvers do not show smoothly. While Anti-aliasing is activated.
> But again: an older linux OS on an older (5+yrs) laptop.

They are vector based metafiles - perhaps they should be modified to
raster images (even if the file would become larger...)

Best regards

Bernhard

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[Cor Nouws]

Bernhard Dippold wrote (19-9-2009 0:00)

> (By the way: The gradient in the header is converted to vertical instead
> of horizontal whenever I reopen the file...)

Will be fixed, see http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=104841

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[Bernhard Dippold-2]

Hi again,

I created a new version of the slide draft, like the minimal version,
but with a small gradient for the curve and a broadened part with the
town silhouette at the top.

I uploaded it to
http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/w/images/2/23/OOoCon_slide_new.png

It is linked from the Impress template gallery page:
http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Art/Gallery/ImpressTemplates

and part of the updated Impress file:
http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/File:OOoCon09_template.odp

The Impress file contains a second Title slide using the original OOo
blue tone for the gradient and for the OOoCon logo itself (the creator
of the logo modified the OOo logo color - I don't know if he got the
allowance to do so...)

Both the new slide and the alternative title are using raster graphics
instead of vectors - the slide looks smoother than the old version at my
800x600 screen, but the alternative title has not been improved...

What do you think of the new slide? (As title I prefer the old one even
if it uses the wrong colors)

Don't hesitate to tell me any idea for improvement.

Best regards

Bernhard

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[Cor Nouws]

Hi Bernard,

Bernhard Dippold wrote (20-9-2009 22:07)
> I created a new version of the slide draft, like the minimal version,
> but with a small gradient for the curve and a broadened part with the
> town silhouette at the top.
>
> I uploaded it to
> http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/w/images/2/23/OOoCon_slide_new.png
> [...]

I like this one even more.
I was a bit careful with the full black of the first design round, since
that often does not look so good when printed black-whit.

> Both the new slide and the alternative title are using raster graphics
> instead of vectors - the slide looks smoother than the old version at my
> 800x600 screen, but the alternative title has not been improved...
> [...]

The new slides look very rough at my computer (Windows and Linux)
Do they possibly suffer from a bug, somewhere in the dev-stack, that the
original graphics were replaced by the thumbnails?

Apart from that, I prefer slide 1 and 4.

Best,
Cor


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[Bernhard Dippold-2]

Hi Cor, *

thanks for your comments :-)

... and I'd really like to read about the opinions of any other project
members...

Cor Nouws schrieb:

> Hi Bernard,
>
> Bernhard Dippold wrote (20-9-2009 22:07)
>> I created a new version of the slide draft, like the minimal version,
>> but with a small gradient for the curve and a broadened part with the
>> town silhouette at the top.
>>
>> I uploaded it to
>> http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/w/images/2/23/OOoCon_slide_new.png
>> [...]
>
> I like this one even more.
> I was a bit careful with the full black of the first design round, since
> that often does not look so good when printed black-whit.
>
>> Both the new slide and the alternative title are using raster graphics
>> instead of vectors - the slide looks smoother than the old version at
>> my 800x600 screen, but the alternative title has not been improved...
>> [...]
>
> The new slides look very rough at my computer (Windows and Linux)
> Do they possibly suffer from a bug, somewhere in the dev-stack, that the
> original graphics were replaced by the thumbnails?

At my Ubuntu version  of OOo (3.0.1) the lines look good (especially on
slide 3), but with OOoDev m58 they look rough in the working
area/preview. In the slide show they look fine again.
>
> Apart from that, I prefer slide 1 and 4.

Me too :-)

If we don't get any other comments, I'll finish the presentation
template by adding an Agenda page.

Best regards

Bernhard
>
> Best,
> Cor
>
>

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[Bernhard Dippold-2]

Done :-)

Bernhard Dippold schrieb:
> [...]  I'll finish the presentation
> template by adding an Agenda page.

It couldn't be uploaded to the Wiki, so I uploaded it to my website:

I uploaded the file to
http://www.familie-dippold.at/OpenOffice.org/Presentation_template_for_OOoCon09.otp

Please comment: Could this be used as official template for the
OpenOffice.org Conference 2009 at Orvieto?

Best regards

Bernhard

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[John McCreesh]

On Fri, September 25, 2009 23:58, Bernhard Dippold wrote:

> Done :-)
>
> Bernhard Dippold schrieb:
>> [...]  I'll finish the presentation
>> template by adding an Agenda page.
>
> It couldn't be uploaded to the Wiki, so I uploaded it to my website:
>
> I uploaded the file to
> http://www.familie-dippold.at/OpenOffice.org/Presentation_template_for_OOoCon09.otp
>
> Please comment: Could this be used as official template for the
> OpenOffice.org Conference 2009 at Orvieto?

Yes it can and it will ;-)

Little typo on slide 3 "Second entry thrid level"

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[Bernhard Dippold-2]

Hi John, *

John McCreesh schrieb:
> On Fri, September 25, 2009 23:58, Bernhard Dippold wrote:
>> [...]
>>
>> Please comment: Could this be used as official template for the
>> OpenOffice.org Conference 2009 at Orvieto?
>
> Yes it can and it will ;-)
>
> Little typo on slide 3 "Second entry thrid level"

I'm just working on this and a few other improvements mentioned by a few
testers at the DE community.

The new version will be uploaded tonight I hope.

Best regards

Bernhard

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[Bernhard Dippold-2]

Hi John, all,

Bernhard Dippold schrieb:
> Hi John, *
>
> [...]
>
> The new version will be uploaded tonight I hope.

It took some more hours to overcome the problems of not really good
looking vector metafiles (logo on the title slide) and the curved line
(polygon instead of bezier curve).

But now I uploaded it as a new version of the file you uploaded to the
marketing website:

http://marketing.openoffice.org/ooocon2009/presentations/ooocon2009.otp

I hope, this complies with your aims.

Best regards

Bernhard

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[John McCreesh]

On Fri, October 2, 2009 00:23, Bernhard Dippold wrote:

> Hi John, all,
>
> Bernhard Dippold schrieb:
>> Hi John, *
>>
>> [...]
>>
>> The new version will be uploaded tonight I hope.
>
> It took some more hours to overcome the problems of not really good
> looking vector metafiles (logo on the title slide) and the curved line
> (polygon instead of bezier curve).
>
> But now I uploaded it as a new version of the file you uploaded to the
> marketing website:
>
> http://marketing.openoffice.org/ooocon2009/presentations/ooocon2009.otp
>
> I hope, this complies with your aims.

It does - many thanks. Some of the OOoCon presenters have started to
downloaded it. One of them raised a question:

> what about a license information inside the template. I think, we need
> this information at the end of the presentation file.

Any thoughts?

John
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[Bernhard Dippold-2]

Hi John, all,

John McCreesh schrieb:

> On Fri, October 2, 2009 00:23, Bernhard Dippold wrote:
>>[...]now I uploaded it as a new version of the file you uploaded to the
>> marketing website:
>>
>> http://marketing.openoffice.org/ooocon2009/presentations/ooocon2009.otp
>>
>> I hope, this complies with your aims.
>
> It does - many thanks. Some of the OOoCon presenters have started to
> downloaded it. One of them raised a question:
>
>> what about a license information inside the template. I think, we need
>> this information at the end of the presentation file.
>
> Any thoughts?

As I don't know about the license of the OOoCon09 logo (I assume
proprietary like the OOo logo it contains), licensing is a bit unclear
as every time the OOo logo is involved.

Officially every presenter has to ask for approval at the logo list and
if anybody wants to re-use their presentation, (s)he has to ask too.

My part of the presentation template is licensed under LGPL. This is
stated at the wiki page where the file is uploaded additionally to the
marketing repository:
http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/File:Ooocon09_presentation_template.otp

I included this information in the template's metadata (file -
properties - description) too, but this might be a problem: Every
presentation built with this template will contain this licensing
information if the presenter didn't not remove it. I don't know if it's
fair to license a work without explicit agreement by the author.

It might be better to remove this information to avoid unwanted licensing.

What do you think?

Best regards

Bernhard

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[Florian Effenberger-2]

Hi Bernhard,

> As I don't know about the license of the OOoCon09 logo (I assume
> proprietary like the OOo logo it contains), licensing is a bit unclear
> as every time the OOo logo is involved.
>
> Officially every presenter has to ask for approval at the logo list and
> if anybody wants to re-use their presentation, (s)he has to ask too.

I don't think this makes much sense. I see that there are open issues
regarding the license, but it's very important to me that projects take
no harm due to the planned trademark license.

I propose that as long as the logo is not modified by any means (except
minor changes like size), it can be used for the purpose of OOoCon
presentations, just like we had it all the years before. This includes
generating templates and presentations as well as showing and
distributing them.

I think that we need no information about the trademark status inside
the documents, so we can just go on as the last years.

How does that sound to you?

Florian

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[Graham Lauder-2]

> Hi Bernhard,
>
> > As I don't know about the license of the OOoCon09 logo (I assume
> > proprietary like the OOo logo it contains), licensing is a bit unclear
> > as every time the OOo logo is involved.
> >
> > Officially every presenter has to ask for approval at the logo list and
> > if anybody wants to re-use their presentation, (s)he has to ask too.
>
> I don't think this makes much sense. I see that there are open issues
> regarding the license, but it's very important to me that projects take
> no harm due to the planned trademark license.
>
> I propose that as long as the logo is not modified by any means (except
> minor changes like size), it can be used for the purpose of OOoCon
> presentations, just like we had it all the years before. This includes
> generating templates and presentations as well as showing and
> distributing them.
>
> I think that we need no information about the trademark status inside
> the documents, so we can just go on as the last years.
>
> How does that sound to you?
>
> Florian

Frankly I'm with Nik, the Logo license is a nightmare, our opposition updates their
logo with every new version and we are still locked into our original logo from the
start.  Their marketing people say we are still locked back with Office 97 and we
reinforce that attitude in peoples minds by continually recycling our old logo.  
And on top of that, from a Philosophical POV we use a Non-Free font.

How about this for an Idea. We, the Art Project, produce a whole pile of alternative  
OOo Logos, then the speakers can choose the ones they individually like for their
presentations. Who knows the people at Conf might see one really cool one and say:
"We should have that as our Logo."  

 Conf is the place for breaking new ideas after all, let's extend that to the
artwork.
 
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[John McCreesh]

On Mon, October 5, 2009 20:50, Graham Lauder wrote:
[snip]
> How about this for an Idea. We, the Art Project, produce a whole pile of
> alternative
> OOo Logos, then the speakers can choose the ones they individually like
> for their
> presentations. Who knows the people at Conf might see one really cool one
> and say:
> "We should have that as our Logo."

I'd love to see a display at OOoCon with proposals for a new OOo logo...
but I think we may have left it a little late for Orvieto?

As far as OOoCon 2009 is concerned, the Conference team have already
designed their logo (as is their 'right' as organisers), and Bernard has
incorporated it into an excellent template. Encouraging people to use a
single template helps the OOoCon branding.

>  Conf is the place for breaking new ideas after all, let's extend that to
> the
> artwork.

Agreed. It would be great to launch a "LOOok for a LOOogo" there!

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[Bernhard Dippold-2]

Hi all,

Bernhard Dippold schrieb:

> Hi John, all,
>
> John McCreesh schrieb:
>> [...] Some of the OOoCon presenters have started to
>> downloaded it. One of them raised a question:
>>
>>> what about a license information inside the template. I think, we need
>>> this information at the end of the presentation file.[...]
>
> My part of the presentation template is licensed under LGPL. This is
> stated at the wiki page where the file is uploaded additionally to the
> marketing repository:
> http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/File:Ooocon09_presentation_template.otp

I updated the file: The first content slide mentions the license:
- LGPL for everything except the logo
- OOoCon logo: proprietary with allowance to use it for presentations at
the OpenOffice.org Conference 2009

Every presenter knows about the information in the meta data, so the
license will be accepted for the presentations (or modified for the
content, if the authors wants to change it).

I didn't upload it to the marketing projects pages
(/ooocon2009/presentations/ooocon2009.otp).

John, if you think this is ok, please update this file too.

Best regards

Bernhard
 >


>
>
> I included this information in the template's metadata (file -
> properties - description) too, but this might be a problem: Every
> presentation built with this template will contain this licensing
> information if the presenter didn't not remove it. I don't know if it's
> fair to license a work without explicit agreement by the author.
>
> It might be better to remove this information to avoid unwanted licensing.

I

>
> What do you think?
>
> Best regards
>
> Bernhard
>
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[Bernhard Dippold-2]

Hi Flo, *

Florian Effenberger schrieb:

> Hi Bernhard,
>
>> [...]
>
> I propose that as long as the logo is not modified by any means (except
> minor changes like size), it can be used for the purpose of OOoCon
> presentations, just like we had it all the years before. This includes
> generating templates and presentations as well as showing and
> distributing them.
>
> [...]
>
> How does that sound to you?

I extended the information in the template and mentioned the license in
the meta data at a place where every author will have to read it.

The new version is uploaded to the wiki:
http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/File:Ooocon09_presentation_template.otp

Do you think this is appropriate?

Best regards

Bernhard

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[Florian Effenberger-2]

Hi Bernhard,

> I extended the information in the template and mentioned the license in
> the meta data at a place where every author will have to read it.
>
> The new version is uploaded to the wiki:
> http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/File:Ooocon09_presentation_template.otp 
>
> Do you think this is appropriate?

thanks, to me this looks okay!

Florian

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