FlaggedRevs test wiki needs you!

[Brion Vibber-3]

Apparently due to some miscommunications, a lot of people didn’t realize
that the FlaggedRevs labs test wiki has been active and waiting for
people to poke at it for a month, since just before Wikimania!

We need interested people to be get up as local administrators to try
out the the per-page stabilization settings (accessed via the ‘protect’
tab); by default most pages do not activate FlaggedRevs in the
configuration we’re testing for English Wikipedia.

I’ve added a couple quick notes to this affect on the main page:
http://flaggedrevs.labs.wikimedia.org/wiki/Main_Page

We're collecting some folks to be bureaucrats and help set up more test
admins so we can get things going quick!


Also posted on the Wikimedia tech blog:
http://techblog.wikimedia.org/2009/09/flaggedrevs-test-wiki-awaits-you/

-- brion

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[Steve Bennett-8]

On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 10:24 AM, Brion Vibber <brion@...> wrote:
> I’ve added a couple quick notes to this affect on the main page:
> http://flaggedrevs.labs.wikimedia.org/wiki/Main_Page

Ah, I didn't know about this. Having a quick look now. Comments:

- It looks like the UI could do with a bit of work - it took a fair
bit of poking around to work out what status a page was in.
- Language should be stabilised. I see the terms "reviewed",
"sighted", "draft", "stable version", "stable page", "sighted
page"...but not "flagged revision". We should use as few terms as
possible and use them consistently.
- Clicking the +/- shows some escaped HTML code (<revreview-status&qt;)
- For that matter "+/-" seems much less obvious to me than a simple "+"
- A red padlock, an eyeball, the term "sighted page", and the word
"view draft". Whoa. Too much. Way too much.
- There's a "draft" tab and an "edit draft" tab.
- On the NYC article, I created vandalism but it was "automatically
sighted". Clicking the "automatically sighted" text just took me back
to the article.
- (Heh, that was confusing, I placed a request for admin, and it got
approved, all within a minute or two...totally changing my experience
of the system)
- The admin interface is awkward too, especially having to go through
protect and that "flagged revisions can also be [[configured]]" bit...
- Having the tabs at the top change depending on the status of the
page is confusing. Sometimes you have "page" and "edit". Sometimes you
have "stable page", "draft" and "edit draft". Maybe tabs aren't the
way to go here.


My overall impressions are that this adds a LOT of complexity. The
mental model needed to work in this area is counterintuitive and just
damn complex. I find the icons in the top right confusing more than
anything.

Before: You have a page, some previous versions, and a talk page.
After: You have lots of versions of a page. There may be a stable
page, a sighted page, a reviewed page. Or not. You might be looking at
a draft (in which case the stable version is older), or you might be
looking at a stable version (vice versa).

So, please let's not inflict this on en without making a few decent
improvements to the user experience.

Steve

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[Gregory Maxwell]

On Mon, Sep 28, 2009 at 9:23 PM, Steve Bennett <stevagewp@...> wrote:
> So, please let's not inflict this on en without making a few decent
> improvements to the user experience.

Absolutely. I think a lot of clarity can be added just by changing the
interface text... Sighted? Wtf is that.

There is a page on the wiki collecting comments, please add yours:

http://flaggedrevs.labs.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia:FlaggedRevs_issues

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[Steve Bennett-8]

On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 12:58 PM, Gregory Maxwell <gmaxwell@...>
wrote:> There is a page on the wiki collecting comments, please add
yours:

Done.

One thing that makes testing this thing quite difficult is that the
experience for admins and non-admins is very different. In particular
if you're an admin, every change you make is auto-reviewed. You really
need to have two browsers open to do any playing.

Steve

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[Gregory Maxwell]

On Mon, Sep 28, 2009 at 11:06 PM, Steve Bennett <stevagewp@...> wrote:

> On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 12:58 PM, Gregory Maxwell <gmaxwell@...>
> wrote:> There is a page on the wiki collecting comments, please add
> yours:
>
> Done.
>
> One thing that makes testing this thing quite difficult is that the
> experience for admins and non-admins is very different. In particular
> if you're an admin, every change you make is auto-reviewed. You really
> need to have two browsers open to do any playing.

I had originally thought there was some checkbox in flagged revs that
you could hit to suppress the autoflagging of your own edit (like the
minor edit box) but I don't see it in the code.

Is this a feature we'd like beyond simple testing?

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[Gregory Maxwell]

On Mon, Sep 28, 2009 at 11:23 PM, Gregory Maxwell <gmaxwell@...> wrote:

> On Mon, Sep 28, 2009 at 11:06 PM, Steve Bennett <stevagewp@...> wrote:
>> On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 12:58 PM, Gregory Maxwell <gmaxwell@...>
>> wrote:> There is a page on the wiki collecting comments, please add
>> yours:
>>
>> Done.
>>
>> One thing that makes testing this thing quite difficult is that the
>> experience for admins and non-admins is very different. In particular
>> if you're an admin, every change you make is auto-reviewed. You really
>> need to have two browsers open to do any playing.
>
> I had originally thought there was some checkbox in flagged revs that
> you could hit to suppress the autoflagging of your own edit (like the
> minor edit box) but I don't see it in the code.
>
> Is this a feature we'd like beyond simple testing?

Oh— it's there. Hmph. I could have sworn it wasn't.

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[Aude-2]

On Mon, Sep 28, 2009 at 8:24 PM, Brion Vibber <brion@...> wrote:

> Apparently due to some miscommunications, a lot of people didn’t realize
> that the FlaggedRevs labs test wiki has been active and waiting for
> people to poke at it for a month, since just before Wikimania!
>
> We need interested people to be get up as local administrators to try
> out the the per-page stabilization settings (accessed via the ‘protect’
> tab); by default most pages do not activate FlaggedRevs in the
> configuration we’re testing for English Wikipedia.
>
> I’ve added a couple quick notes to this affect on the main page:
> http://flaggedrevs.labs.wikimedia.org/wiki/Main_Page
>
> We're collecting some folks to be bureaucrats and help set up more test
> admins so we can get things going quick!
>
>
> Also posted on the Wikimedia tech blog:
> http://techblog.wikimedia.org/2009/09/flaggedrevs-test-wiki-awaits-you/
>
> -- brion
>
>

Can the templates from enwiki (at least those in use) be imported to the
test wiki?  It's important to look at the flagged revs, together with
templates, to make sure the css stylings don't conflict between what's used
in the infoboxes and what's used in the flagged rev interface elements.

On the Arabic Wikipedia, which is using flagged revisions, I have found many
pages where the infobox together with the flagged revs mw-revisiontag
(sighted/draft) div in the corner cause the infobox to be displaced on the
page.

Examples:

http://bit.ly/17anh9 (October 2 - arwiki calendar page)
http://bit.ly/3zfe5x (Polonium - arwiki element page)
http://bit.ly/1cR7J4 (Jurassic Park 2 - arwiki page)

(Note: I haven't had the time to look into this and find where exactly the
bug is, and help fix it.  I am curious if it's happening only on arwiki or a
more widespread problem)

It would be good know if this might be a problem on enwiki, by testing with
templates on the test wiki.

-Aude



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[Gregory Maxwell]

On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 12:44 AM, Aude <aude.wiki@...> wrote:
> Can the templates from enwiki (at least those in use) be imported to the
> test wiki?  It's important to look at the flagged revs, together with
> templates, to make sure the css stylings don't conflict between what's used
> in the infoboxes and what's used in the flagged rev interface elements.

The ones in use are supposed to be imported but some were not.

> On the Arabic Wikipedia, which is using flagged revisions, I have found many
> pages where the infobox together with the flagged revs mw-revisiontag
> (sighted/draft) div in the corner cause the infobox to be displaced on the
> page.

I think the styling of the high visibility flagged revs mv-revisiontag
is  bad for usability:

It's by far one of the most visible thing on a typical articles. While
I'm sure that  mv-revisiontag is great important to flagged revs
developers I don't think it's *that* important to editors and
especially readers. It's certainly not more important than the edit
and history tabs which it is 1000x more visible than.  Perhaps it
should be moved down and become a component of the review box at the
top of the article, keeping no more than a tab and/or icon at the top
of the page?

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