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Flashing Lights in Maryland
by mtroutma
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This is an interesting court case - the driver was ticketed for flashing
his high beams to warn others of a traffic enforcement area ahead, and was himself ticketed for 'driving with flashing lights' according to WTOP (generally unreliable source when it comes to facts). http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/06/16/AR2009061603186.html?wprss=rss_metro -- ___________________________________ Mike Troutman mike@... http://www.troutman.org/ _______________________________________________ dc-cycles mailing list dc-cycles@... http://dc-cycles.org/mailman/cgi-bin/listinfo/dc-cycles |
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Re: Flashing Lights in Maryland
by Perry Coleman-2
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Well, I agree as regards WTOP (and the WaPo, for that matter) when it comes
to the dissemination of facts, versus "agenda", but they were also talking about this topic on WMAL this morning (yes, I wimped out and drove the cage today...) This law has been an issue since I started driving (way back when!). I was taught that in MD, it is legal to pass on the right, but illegal to flash your lights at another driver for any reason. In VA, it is not legal to pass on the right, but it is legal to flash your lights at another driver. So, is it any wonder that so many drivers in MD camp out in the left lane and then do something ignorant, like stomp on their brakes, if someone overtakes them and flashes? Of course, if one wants to warn oncoming drivers of an impending traffic situation (such as a speed trap) one must be circumspect in the use of one's flashing lights. The one message to take from this story is to NEVER flash your lights back as a way of saying "Thanks!" That'll get you pinched for sure. Perry Just call me "Flash" On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 6:30 PM, Mike Troutman <mike@...> wrote: > This is an interesting court case - the driver was ticketed for flashing > his high beams to warn others of a traffic enforcement area ahead, and > was himself ticketed for 'driving with flashing lights' according to > WTOP (generally unreliable source when it comes to facts). > > > http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/06/16/AR2009061603186.html?wprss=rss_metro > -- > ___________________________________ > Mike Troutman > mike@... > http://www.troutman.org/ > > _______________________________________________ > dc-cycles mailing list > dc-cycles@... > http://dc-cycles.org/mailman/cgi-bin/listinfo/dc-cycles > dc-cycles mailing list dc-cycles@... http://dc-cycles.org/mailman/cgi-bin/listinfo/dc-cycles |
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Re: Flashing Lights in Maryland
by mike b.-4
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Perry Coleman wrote:
> The one message to take from this story is to NEVER flash your lights back > as a way of saying "Thanks!" That'll get you pinched for sure. Truckers used to use light signals to communicate back before CB radios. There were patterns for "you are clear to pull in ahead of me", "thanks!", etc. This was with the running lights and/or low beams of course...most states prohibit use of high beams on when following closely behind, or approaching oncoming traffic since they tend to be blinding at night, and blinded drivers are dangerous drivers. Maryland is one of four states (according to a web site I found once that listed driving law differences for the lower 48 states), where you are not required to "move right" so long as you are doing at least the speed limit. This is logical, in that no state has laws intended to support speeding...that's illegal everywhere. The "only move right if overtaken and not doing the speed limit" rule that exists in Maryland gets superseded by the ones about making way for emergency vehicles, so things with flashing lights and sirens still get help in speeding. As far as warning people of speed traps, that could, conceivably, be considered "interfering with an officer in pursuit of revenue". I know of at least one friend who was pulled over for this by a sarcastic cop years ago. He handed over his driver's license and registration, and the cop said, "This isn't yours." My friend said yes it was and the cop said, "But this says your name is xxxxx, and given the way you were flashing your lights at everyone, you MUST be Paul Revere..." -- Mike B. _______________________________________________ dc-cycles mailing list dc-cycles@... http://dc-cycles.org/mailman/cgi-bin/listinfo/dc-cycles |
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Re: Flashing Lights in Maryland
by Michael Jordan
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> Truckers used to use light signals to communicate back before CB radios. > And they still do - quicker and easier than a radio call. I'll flash my lights when it's safe for a truck to pull back in and fully expect that he'll flick his running lights on and off again in response to say "thanks". IIRC, Maryland equated the flashing headlights with "Aggressive Driving" a few years ago. -- Michael J. '86 SRX-6 '93 GSX1100G '03 DL1000 AMA IBA #3901 USAF (Ret) NRA etc. _______________________________________________ dc-cycles mailing list dc-cycles@... http://dc-cycles.org/mailman/cgi-bin/listinfo/dc-cycles |
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Re: Flashing Lights in Maryland
by Aki Damme-2
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Speaking of speedo accuracy, does anyone know of any place in the
No.Va. area that does speedometer calibration/verification for cages? We have an urgent need to check and see if our daughters car is accurately reflecting the speed she's going. don't ask. -aki On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 11:09 AM, pltrgyst@...<pltrgyst@...> wrote: > > --- On Wed, 6/17/09, Mike B. <omni@...> wrote: > >> Maryland is one of four states (according to a web site I >> found once that listed driving law differences for the lower >> 48 states), where you are not required to "move right" so >> long as you are doing at least the speed limit. This >> is logical.... > > It doesn't seem at all logical to me, unless you've got speedometers guaranteed accurate to within, say, 0.5%. With what's actually on the road, you might think you're doing the speed limit, and the person behind might think you;'re doing five below. > > -- Larry > > > > > _______________________________________________ > dc-cycles mailing list > dc-cycles@... > http://dc-cycles.org/mailman/cgi-bin/listinfo/dc-cycles > dc-cycles mailing list dc-cycles@... http://dc-cycles.org/mailman/cgi-bin/listinfo/dc-cycles |
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Re: Flashing Lights in Maryland
by mike b.-4
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pltrgyst@... wrote:
> --- On Wed, 6/17/09, Mike B. <omni@...> wrote: > >> Maryland is one of four states (according to a web site I found >> once that listed driving law differences for the lower 48 states), >> where you are not required to "move right" so long as you are doing >> at least the speed limit. This is logical.... > > It doesn't seem at all logical to me, unless you've got speedometers > guaranteed accurate to within, say, 0.5%. With what's actually on the > road, you might think you're doing the speed limit, and the person > behind might think you;'re doing five below. Very true. My Jeep was about 5mph low on the speedometer according to my GPS...until I got new tires and went up a little in size. Now the speedo reads correctly. According to my GPS anyway. The "logical" comment is based on the idea that speed limits are enacted by states, and states requiring that people take actions to actually *assist* with breaking these laws is completely illogical for a state to do...though most seem to. From the state's viewpoint, someone doing the speed limit can not possibly be impeding traffic because traffic never goes faster than the speed limit...and if it does, it needs impeding, fining, and or losing its license and perhaps getting locked up. Driver, and riders, obviously have different ideas, but since drivers and riders don't get to pass laws, this has little effect on laws. -- Mike B. _______________________________________________ dc-cycles mailing list dc-cycles@... http://dc-cycles.org/mailman/cgi-bin/listinfo/dc-cycles |
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speed check
by PenguinBiker-2
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----- "Aki Damme" <01dyna@...> wrote: > Speaking of speedo accuracy, does anyone know of any place in the > No.Va. area that does speedometer > calibration/verification for cages? We have an urgent need to check > and see if our daughters car is accurately > reflecting the speed she's going. Go out on the I-state put the cage exactly at 60, start a stopwatch at the first mile marker you come to and time at least 5 miles (to reduce timing error) If you are traveling a mile a minute you are spot on, if not… Of course this just tests you at 60 but it gives you a good idea. John _______________________________________________ dc-cycles mailing list dc-cycles@... http://dc-cycles.org/mailman/cgi-bin/listinfo/dc-cycles |
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Re: speed check
by Aki Damme-2
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Unfortunately, this is for a court hearing so I'll need an "official" reading.
On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 4:38 PM, <PenguinBiker@...> wrote: > > ----- "Aki Damme" <01dyna@...> wrote: > >> Speaking of speedo accuracy, does anyone know of any place in the >> No.Va. area that does speedometer >> calibration/verification for cages? We have an urgent need to check >> and see if our daughters car is accurately >> reflecting the speed she's going. > > Go out on the I-state put the cage exactly at 60, start a stopwatch at the first mile marker you come to and time at least 5 miles (to reduce timing error) If you are traveling a mile a minute you are spot on, if not… > > Of course this just tests you at 60 but it gives you a good idea. > John > _______________________________________________ > dc-cycles mailing list > dc-cycles@... > http://dc-cycles.org/mailman/cgi-bin/listinfo/dc-cycles dc-cycles mailing list dc-cycles@... http://dc-cycles.org/mailman/cgi-bin/listinfo/dc-cycles |
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Re: speed check
by Wayne Edelen-2
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On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 4:41 PM, Aki Damme<01dyna@...> wrote:
> Unfortunately, this is for a court hearing so I'll need an "official" reading. I'm not sure how the cops certify their speedos, but I don't think you'll get any leniency for your daughter if her speedo was off a couple MPH. I know someone who recently (within the last ~8yrs) used that defense and the judge tore him a new asshole. Told him that if he couldn't figure out that he was traveling that much faster than the speed limit on his own, he shouldn't be driving. Good luck. BTDT with the kids - I have twin daughters. Tickets, banged up cars, etc. ;-) -- Wayne _______________________________________________ dc-cycles mailing list dc-cycles@... http://dc-cycles.org/mailman/cgi-bin/listinfo/dc-cycles |
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Re: speed check
by Aki Damme-2
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thanks. Yeah, we're not even remotely thinking that she'll get out of
the ticket, however her lawyer said that if we can prove that she didn't know she was going over 20mph (say 19), it could get her charges reduced to speeding instead of reckless. She was clocked doing 85 in a 65, *exactly* 20mph over the limit. If we can show that she that she thought was going slower, even by 1mph, that might sway the judge the reduce the charge to just speeding. There's no way we'd even try to convince the judge she had no idea she was speeding. Not at 85mph. -aki On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 6:11 AM, Wayne Edelen<happyscrappyheropup@...> wrote: > On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 4:41 PM, Aki Damme<01dyna@...> wrote: >> Unfortunately, this is for a court hearing so I'll need an "official" reading. > > > I'm not sure how the cops certify their speedos, but I don't think > you'll get any leniency for your daughter if her speedo was off a > couple MPH. I know someone who recently (within the last ~8yrs) used > that defense and the judge tore him a new asshole. Told him that if > he couldn't figure out that he was traveling that much faster than the > speed limit on his own, he shouldn't be driving. > > Good luck. BTDT with the kids - I have twin daughters. Tickets, > banged up cars, etc. ;-) > > -- Wayne > _______________________________________________ > dc-cycles mailing list > dc-cycles@... > http://dc-cycles.org/mailman/cgi-bin/listinfo/dc-cycles > dc-cycles mailing list dc-cycles@... http://dc-cycles.org/mailman/cgi-bin/listinfo/dc-cycles |
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Re: speed check
by Aki Damme-2
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Maybe but I told the lawyer, isn't this like argueing how many shots
you fired at a victim? So she wasn't going 20 over, but 19 over is STILL knowlingly going WAY too fast. I guess we have to play the system though. There is a big difference between speeding and reckless. -aki On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 8:23 AM, Tom Gimer<tom@...> wrote: > isn't it commonly known that speedometers and measuring devices have a > tolerance of several mph? perhaps you don't need a calibration but rather > a not guilty plea and testimony to the effect that cruise control or > needle was set at indicated 81mph. > > -- > tg > '01 gsxr1000 > http://TRACauctions.com > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Aki Damme" <01dyna@...> > Sent: Fri, June 19, 2009 8:02 > Subject:Re: [dc-cycles] speed check > > thanks. Yeah, we're not even remotely thinking that she'll get out of > the ticket, however > her lawyer said that if we can prove that she didn't know she was > going over 20mph (say 19), it could get her > charges reduced to speeding instead of reckless. She was clocked > doing 85 in a 65, *exactly* > 20mph over the limit. If we can show that she that she thought was > going slower, even by 1mph, that might > sway the judge the reduce the charge to just speeding. There's no way > we'd even try to convince the > judge she had no idea she was speeding. Not at 85mph. > > -aki > > > On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 6:11 AM, Wayne > Edelen<happyscrappyheropup@...> wrote: >> On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 4:41 PM, Aki Damme<01dyna@...> wrote: >>> Unfortunately, this is for a court hearing so I'll need an "official" > reading. >> >> >> I'm not sure how the cops certify their speedos, but I don't think >> you'll get any leniency for your daughter if her speedo was off a >> couple MPH. I know someone who recently (within the last ~8yrs) used >> that defense and the judge tore him a new asshole. Told him that if >> he couldn't figure out that he was traveling that much faster than the >> speed limit on his own, he shouldn't be driving. >> >> Good luck. BTDT with the kids - I have twin daughters. Tickets, >> banged up cars, etc. ;-) >> >> -- Wayne >> _______________________________________________ >> dc-cycles mailing list >> dc-cycles@... >> http://dc-cycles.org/mailman/cgi-bin/listinfo/dc-cycles >> > _______________________________________________ > dc-cycles mailing list > dc-cycles@... > http://dc-cycles.org/mailman/cgi-bin/listinfo/dc-cycles > > > ----- End of original message ----- > > dc-cycles mailing list dc-cycles@... http://dc-cycles.org/mailman/cgi-bin/listinfo/dc-cycles |
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Re: speed check
by Aki Damme-2
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Va. Stafford. Radar.
On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 8:38 AM, Tom Gimer <tom@...> wrote: > was this in md or va and was it a pace, radar, laser or vascar? > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Aki Damme" <01dyna@...> > Sent: Fri, June 19, 2009 8:25 > Subject:Re: [dc-cycles] speed check > > Maybe but I told the lawyer, isn't this like argueing how many shots > you fired at a victim? So she wasn't going 20 over, > but 19 over is STILL knowlingly going WAY too fast. > > I guess we have to play the system though. There is a big difference > between speeding and reckless. > > -aki > > > On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 8:23 AM, Tom Gimer<tom@...> wrote: > > isn't it commonly known that speedometers and measuring devices have a > > tolerance of several mph? perhaps you don't need a calibration but rather > > a not guilty plea and testimony to the effect that cruise control or > > needle was set at indicated 81mph. > > > > -- > > tg > > '01 gsxr1000 > > http://TRACauctions.com <http://tracauctions.com/> > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Aki Damme" <01dyna@...> > > Sent: Fri, June 19, 2009 8:02 > > Subject:Re: [dc-cycles] speed check > > > > thanks. Yeah, we're not even remotely thinking that she'll get out of > > the ticket, however > > her lawyer said that if we can prove that she didn't know she was > > going over 20mph (say 19), it could get her > > charges reduced to speeding instead of reckless. She was clocked > > doing 85 in a 65, *exactly* > > 20mph over the limit. If we can show that she that she thought was > > going slower, even by 1mph, that might > > sway the judge the reduce the charge to just speeding. There's no way > > we'd even try to convince the > > judge she had no idea she was speeding. Not at 85mph. > > > > -aki > > > > > > On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 6:11 AM, Wayne > > Edelen<happyscrappyheropup@...> wrote: > >> On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 4:41 PM, Aki Damme<01dyna@...> wrote: > >>> Unfortunately, this is for a court hearing so I'll need an "official" > > reading. > >> > >> > >> I'm not sure how the cops certify their speedos, but I don't think > >> you'll get any leniency for your daughter if her speedo was off a > >> couple MPH. I know someone who recently (within the last ~8yrs) used > >> that defense and the judge tore him a new asshole. Told him that if > >> he couldn't figure out that he was traveling that much faster than the > >> speed limit on his own, he shouldn't be driving. > >> > >> Good luck. BTDT with the kids - I have twin daughters. Tickets, > >> banged up cars, etc. ;-) > >> > >> -- Wayne > >> _______________________________________________ > >> dc-cycles mailing list > >> dc-cycles@... > >> http://dc-cycles.org/mailman/cgi-bin/listinfo/dc-cycles > >> > > _______________________________________________ > > dc-cycles mailing list > > dc-cycles@... > > http://dc-cycles.org/mailman/cgi-bin/listinfo/dc-cycles > > > > > > ----- End of original message ----- > > > > > _______________________________________________ > dc-cycles mailing list > dc-cycles@... > http://dc-cycles.org/mailman/cgi-bin/listinfo/dc-cycles > > > ----- End of original message ----- > > dc-cycles mailing list dc-cycles@... http://dc-cycles.org/mailman/cgi-bin/listinfo/dc-cycles |
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Re: speed check
by Michael Jordan
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> then your magic number is 79, isn't it??? va boys, chime in anytime Bingo! *§ 46.2-862* . A person shall be guilty of reckless driving who drives a motor vehicle on the highways in the Commonwealth (i) at a speed of twenty miles per hour or more in excess of the applicable maximum speed limit or (ii) in excess of eighty miles per hour regardless of the applicable maximum speed limit. That being said, the cop CAN write for simple speeding - his choice. -- Michael J. '86 SRX-6 '93 GSX1100G '03 DL1000 AMA IBA #3901 USAF (Ret) NRA etc. _______________________________________________ dc-cycles mailing list dc-cycles@... http://dc-cycles.org/mailman/cgi-bin/listinfo/dc-cycles |
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Re: speed check
by Aki Damme-2
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oh great.... then her speedo would have to be off by 6mph indicating
79 when she was hit at 85. Might be a stretch. On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 8:55 AM, Michael Jordan<mjordan812@...> wrote: >> >> then your magic number is 79, isn't it??? va boys, chime in anytime > > > Bingo! > > *§ 46.2-862* . A person shall be guilty of reckless driving who drives a > motor vehicle on the highways in the Commonwealth (i) at a speed of twenty > miles per hour or more in excess of the applicable maximum speed limit or > (ii) in excess of eighty miles per hour regardless of the applicable maximum > speed limit. > > That being said, the cop CAN write for simple speeding - his choice. > > -- > Michael J. > '86 SRX-6 > '93 GSX1100G > '03 DL1000 > AMA > IBA #3901 > USAF (Ret) > NRA > etc. > _______________________________________________ > dc-cycles mailing list > dc-cycles@... > http://dc-cycles.org/mailman/cgi-bin/listinfo/dc-cycles > dc-cycles mailing list dc-cycles@... http://dc-cycles.org/mailman/cgi-bin/listinfo/dc-cycles |
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Re: speed check
by Aki Damme-2
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kewl. And I thought this was going to be tough. ;-)
On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 9:16 AM, Tom Gimer<tom@...> wrote: > nope 80 is the number ("in excess of 80" being reckless) > > so you have 5mph to deal with > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Aki Damme" <01dyna@...> > Sent: Fri, June 19, 2009 9:01 > Subject:Re: [dc-cycles] speed check > > oh great.... then her speedo would have to be off by 6mph indicating > 79 when she was hit at 85. Might be a stretch. > > > > On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 8:55 AM, Michael Jordan<mjordan812@...> wrote: >>> >>> then your magic number is 79, isn't it??? va boys, chime in anytime >> >> >> Bingo! >> >> *§ 46.2-862* . A person shall be guilty of reckless driving who drives a >> motor vehicle on the highways in the Commonwealth (i) at a speed of twenty >> miles per hour or more in excess of the applicable maximum speed limit or >> (ii) in excess of eighty miles per hour regardless of the applicable > maximum >> speed limit. >> >> That being said, the cop CAN write for simple speeding - his choice. >> >> -- >> Michael J. >> '86 SRX-6 >> '93 GSX1100G >> '03 DL1000 >> AMA >> IBA #3901 >> USAF (Ret) >> NRA >> etc. >> _______________________________________________ >> dc-cycles mailing list >> dc-cycles@... >> http://dc-cycles.org/mailman/cgi-bin/listinfo/dc-cycles >> > _______________________________________________ > dc-cycles mailing list > dc-cycles@... > http://dc-cycles.org/mailman/cgi-bin/listinfo/dc-cycles > > > ----- End of original message ----- > > dc-cycles mailing list dc-cycles@... http://dc-cycles.org/mailman/cgi-bin/listinfo/dc-cycles |
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