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	Fluid Simulation 3D - Water by Exey :: Rate this Message: Reply to Author \| View Threaded \| Show Only this Message I make Water http://exey.ru/blog/home/fluid-simulation-pv3d-and-away3d Math not mine, i get it from http://yamasv.blog92.fc2.com/blog-entry-85.html I read Rick Parent "Computer Animation", he describe to ways animate liquid: 1. Geometry deformation 2. Normal vectors perturbation For Geometry need many CPU resources(because many faces). It's possible to make fluid animation on PV3D with "normal vectors perturbation"?
	Re: Fluid Simulation 3D - Water by laurent-31 :: Rate this Message: Reply to Author \| View Threaded \| Show Only this Message Seem to look nice...but I can't change the texture I'm on a laptop... Exey a écrit : > I make Water http://exey.ru/blog/home/fluid-simulation-pv3d-and-away3d > Math not mine, i get it from http://yamasv.blog92.fc2.com/blog-entry-85.html > I read Rick Parent "Computer Animation", he describe to ways animate > liquid: > 1. Geometry deformation > 2. Normal vectors perturbation > > For Geometry need many CPU resources(because many faces). > It's possible to make fluid animation on PV3D with "normal vectors > perturbation"? > _______________________________________________ Papervision3D mailing list Papervision3D@... http://osflash.org/mailman/listinfo/papervision3d_osflash.org
	Re: Fluid Simulation 3D - Water by Ralph Hauwert :: Rate this Message: Reply to Author \| View Threaded \| Show Only this Message Hi Exey, Great work! I see my sources helped, great to read, I love feedback on those kinds of things. Normal vector pertubation can be done with Flash and is most likely faster then the manipulation of complex geometry, if you optimize using filters. Old skool water can be emulated using a convolution filter and some blendmodes. Using the tools available in pv3d you can then convert that to a normal map to be used by the bumpmap attribute in the environment shader. I'll post one of my old demos in a bit. Regards, Ralph. On 18 mrt 2008, at 21:52, Exey wrote: > > I make Water http://exey.ru/blog/home/fluid-simulation-pv3d-and-away3d > Math not mine, i get it from http://yamasv.blog92.fc2.com/blog-entry-85.html > I read Rick Parent "Computer Animation", he describe to ways animate > liquid: > 1. Geometry deformation > 2. Normal vectors perturbation > > For Geometry need many CPU resources(because many faces). > It's possible to make fluid animation on PV3D with "normal vectors > perturbation"? > -- > View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/Fluid-Simulation-3D---Water-tp16130437p16130437.html > Sent from the Papervision3D mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > > > _______________________________________________ > Papervision3D mailing list > Papervision3D@... > http://osflash.org/mailman/listinfo/papervision3d_osflash.org _______________________________________________ Papervision3D mailing list Papervision3D@... http://osflash.org/mailman/listinfo/papervision3d_osflash.org
	Re: Fluid Simulation 3D - Water by Ralph Hauwert :: Rate this Message: Reply to Author \| View Threaded \| Show Only this Message I never really got to optimize them or finish the experiments, but in light of your question, it felt like the right time to post... http://www.unitzeroone.com/blog/2008/03/19/papervision3d-water-simulation-waterballs/ Ralph. On 19 mrt 2008, at 00:27, Ralph Hauwert wrote: > Hi Exey, > > Great work! I see my sources helped, great to read, I love feedback > on those kinds of things. > > Normal vector pertubation can be done with Flash and is most likely > faster then the manipulation of complex geometry, if you optimize > using filters. > Old skool water can be emulated using a convolution filter and some > blendmodes. Using the tools available in pv3d you can then convert > that to a normal map to be used by the bumpmap attribute in the > environment shader. > > I'll post one of my old demos in a bit. > > Regards, > Ralph. > > > > On 18 mrt 2008, at 21:52, Exey wrote: > >> >> I make Water http://exey.ru/blog/home/fluid-simulation-pv3d-and- >> away3d >> Math not mine, i get it from http://yamasv.blog92.fc2.com/blog-entry-85.html >> I read Rick Parent "Computer Animation", he describe to ways animate >> liquid: >> 1. Geometry deformation >> 2. Normal vectors perturbation >> >> For Geometry need many CPU resources(because many faces). >> It's possible to make fluid animation on PV3D with "normal vectors >> perturbation"? >> -- >> View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/Fluid-Simulation-3D---Water-tp16130437p16130437.html >> Sent from the Papervision3D mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Papervision3D mailing list >> Papervision3D@... >> http://osflash.org/mailman/listinfo/papervision3d_osflash.org > _______________________________________________ Papervision3D mailing list Papervision3D@... http://osflash.org/mailman/listinfo/papervision3d_osflash.org
	Re: Fluid Simulation 3D - Water by Exey :: Rate this Message: Reply to Author \| View Threaded \| Show Only this Message Need to mouse click on movie first to activate keyboard laurent-31 wrote: Seem to look nice...but I can't change the texture I'm on a laptop... Exey a écrit : > I make Water http://exey.ru/blog/home/fluid-simulation-pv3d-and-away3d > Math not mine, i get it from http://yamasv.blog92.fc2.com/blog-entry-85.html > I read Rick Parent "Computer Animation", he describe to ways animate > liquid: > 1. Geometry deformation > 2. Normal vectors perturbation > > For Geometry need many CPU resources(because many faces). > It's possible to make fluid animation on PV3D with "normal vectors > perturbation"? > _______________________________________________ Papervision3D mailing list Papervision3D@osflash.org http://osflash.org/mailman/listinfo/papervision3d_osflash.org
	Re: Fluid Simulation 3D - Water by Exey :: Rate this Message: Reply to Author \| View Threaded \| Show Only this Message wow, i see it possible ) Need to bitmap transform on bump map Thanks, cool effect! Ralph Hauwert wrote: I never really got to optimize them or finish the experiments, but in light of your question, it felt like the right time to post... http://www.unitzeroone.com/blog/2008/03/19/papervision3d-water-simulation-waterballs/ Ralph. On 19 mrt 2008, at 00:27, Ralph Hauwert wrote: > Hi Exey, > > Great work! I see my sources helped, great to read, I love feedback > on those kinds of things. > > Normal vector pertubation can be done with Flash and is most likely > faster then the manipulation of complex geometry, if you optimize > using filters. > Old skool water can be emulated using a convolution filter and some > blendmodes. Using the tools available in pv3d you can then convert > that to a normal map to be used by the bumpmap attribute in the > environment shader. > > I'll post one of my old demos in a bit. > > Regards, > Ralph. > > > > On 18 mrt 2008, at 21:52, Exey wrote: > >> >> I make Water http://exey.ru/blog/home/fluid-simulation-pv3d-and- >> away3d >> Math not mine, i get it from http://yamasv.blog92.fc2.com/blog-entry-85.html >> I read Rick Parent "Computer Animation", he describe to ways animate >> liquid: >> 1. Geometry deformation >> 2. Normal vectors perturbation >> >> For Geometry need many CPU resources(because many faces). >> It's possible to make fluid animation on PV3D with "normal vectors >> perturbation"? >> -- >> View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/Fluid-Simulation-3D---Water-tp16130437p16130437.html >> Sent from the Papervision3D mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Papervision3D mailing list >> Papervision3D@osflash.org >> http://osflash.org/mailman/listinfo/papervision3d_osflash.org > _______________________________________________ Papervision3D mailing list Papervision3D@osflash.org http://osflash.org/mailman/listinfo/papervision3d_osflash.org
	Re: Fluid Simulation 3D - Water by laurent-31 :: Rate this Message: Reply to Author \| View Threaded \| Show Only this Message hehe sorry, I'm on a french laptop, using shift with number pad does not work...nice mouvement though. And Ralph very nice effect on waterball....my laptop is nearly taking off. You show that demo in your interview with Mike Chamber! Exey a écrit : > Need to mouse click on movie first to activate keyboard > > > laurent-31 wrote: > >> Seem to look nice...but I can't change the texture I'm on a laptop... >> >> Exey a écrit : >> >>> I make Water http://exey.ru/blog/home/fluid-simulation-pv3d-and-away3d >>> Math not mine, i get it from >>> http://yamasv.blog92.fc2.com/blog-entry-85.html >>> I read Rick Parent "Computer Animation", he describe to ways animate >>> liquid: >>> 1. Geometry deformation >>> 2. Normal vectors perturbation >>> >>> For Geometry need many CPU resources(because many faces). >>> It's possible to make fluid animation on PV3D with "normal vectors >>> perturbation"? >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Papervision3D mailing list >> Papervision3D@... >> http://osflash.org/mailman/listinfo/papervision3d_osflash.org >> >> >> > > _______________________________________________ Papervision3D mailing list Papervision3D@... http://osflash.org/mailman/listinfo/papervision3d_osflash.org
	Re: Fluid Simulation 3D - Water by Sjeiti :: Rate this Message: Reply to Author \| View Threaded \| Show Only this Message nice... good to see people here using Filter Forge Exey wrote: > I make Water http://exey.ru/blog/home/fluid-simulation-pv3d-and-away3d > Math not mine, i get it from http://yamasv.blog92.fc2.com/blog-entry-85.html > I read Rick Parent "Computer Animation", he describe to ways animate > liquid: > 1. Geometry deformation > 2. Normal vectors perturbation > > For Geometry need many CPU resources(because many faces). > It's possible to make fluid animation on PV3D with "normal vectors > perturbation"? > _______________________________________________ Papervision3D mailing list Papervision3D@... http://osflash.org/mailman/listinfo/papervision3d_osflash.org
	Re: Fluid Simulation 3D - Water by xero :: Rate this Message: Reply to Author \| View Threaded \| Show Only this Message very cool, both of you! ralph, i have been waiting for you to post that demo! i saw it in the video interview you did talking about pv3d 2.0 before it got released! thanx alot! very interesting stuff! exey, super cool! i have been trying to do this as well. thanx for posting the link to Rick Parent's blog, its very informative! ____ ___ \ \/ /___________ ____ .\ // __ \_ __ \/ _ \ ./ \ ___/ \| \| \( <_> ) /___/\ \___ >__\|---\____/ \| \_/ \/ \| \| xero harrison \| \| xero.nu@... \| \| http://xero.nu \| \| http://fontvir.us \| \| http://0x000000.nu \| \| http://xero.owns.us \| `---------------------' ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Ralph Hauwert <r.hauwert@...> To: papervision3d@... Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 00:52:14 +0100 Subject: Re: [Papervision3D] Fluid Simulation 3D - Water I never really got to optimize them or finish the experiments, but in light of your question, it felt like the right time to post... http://www.unitzeroone.com/blog/2008/03/19/papervision3d-water-simulation-waterballs/ Ralph. On 19 mrt 2008, at 00:27, Ralph Hauwert wrote: > Hi Exey, > > Great work! I see my sources helped, great to read, I love feedback > on those kinds of things. > > Normal vector pertubation can be done with Flash and is most likely > faster then the manipulation of complex geometry, if you optimize > using filters. > Old skool water can be emulated using a convolution filter and some > blendmodes. Using the tools available in pv3d you can then convert > that to a normal map to be used by the bumpmap attribute in the > environment shader. > > I'll post one of my old demos in a bit. > > Regards, > Ralph. > > > > On 18 mrt 2008, at 21:52, Exey wrote: > >> >> I make Water http://exey.ru/blog/home/fluid-simulation-pv3d-and- >> away3d >> Math not mine, i get it from http://yamasv.blog92.fc2.com/blog-entry-85.html >> I read Rick Parent "Computer Animation", he describe to ways animate >> liquid: >> 1. Geometry deformation >> 2. Normal vectors perturbation >> >> For Geometry need many CPU resources(because many faces). >> It's possible to make fluid animation on PV3D with "normal vectors >> perturbation"? >> -- >> View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/Fluid-Simulation-3D---Water-tp16130437p16130437.html >> Sent from the Papervision3D mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Papervision3D mailing list >> Papervision3D@... >> http://osflash.org/mailman/listinfo/papervision3d_osflash.org > _______________________________________________ Papervision3D mailing list Papervision3D@... http://osflash.org/mailman/listinfo/papervision3d_osflash.org
	Re: Fluid Simulation 3D - Water by Exey :: Rate this Message: Reply to Author \| View Threaded \| Show Only this Message it's not Rick Parent's blog ) xero wrote: very cool, both of you! ralph, i have been waiting for you to post that demo! i saw it in the video interview you did talking about pv3d 2.0 before it got released! thanx alot! very interesting stuff! exey, super cool! i have been trying to do this as well. thanx for posting the link to Rick Parent's blog, its very informative! ____ ___ \ \/ /___________ ____ .\ // __ \_ __ \/ _ \ ./ \ ___/ \| \| \( <_> ) /___/\ \___ >__\|---\____/ \| \_/ \/ \| \| xero harrison \| \| xero.nu@gmail.com \| \| http://xero.nu \| \| http://fontvir.us \| \| http://0x000000.nu \| \| http://xero.owns.us \| `---------------------' > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Ralph Hauwert <r.hauwert@gmail.com> > To: papervision3d@osflash.org > Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 00:52:14 +0100 > Subject: Re: [Papervision3D] Fluid Simulation 3D - Water > I never really got to optimize them or finish the experiments, but in > light of your question, it felt like the right time to post... > > > http://www.unitzeroone.com/blog/2008/03/19/papervision3d-water-simulation-waterballs/ > > Ralph. > > On 19 mrt 2008, at 00:27, Ralph Hauwert wrote: > > > Hi Exey, > > > > Great work! I see my sources helped, great to read, I love feedback > > on those kinds of things. > > > > Normal vector pertubation can be done with Flash and is most likely > > faster then the manipulation of complex geometry, if you optimize > > using filters. > > Old skool water can be emulated using a convolution filter and some > > blendmodes. Using the tools available in pv3d you can then convert > > that to a normal map to be used by the bumpmap attribute in the > > environment shader. > > > > I'll post one of my old demos in a bit. > > > > Regards, > > Ralph. > > > > > > > > On 18 mrt 2008, at 21:52, Exey wrote: > > > >> > >> I make Water http://exey.ru/blog/home/fluid-simulation-pv3d-and- > >> away3d > >> Math not mine, i get it from > http://yamasv.blog92.fc2.com/blog-entry-85.html > >> I read Rick Parent "Computer Animation", he describe to ways animate > >> liquid: > >> 1. Geometry deformation > >> 2. Normal vectors perturbation > >> > >> For Geometry need many CPU resources(because many faces). > >> It's possible to make fluid animation on PV3D with "normal vectors > >> perturbation"? > >> -- > >> View this message in context: > http://www.nabble.com/Fluid-Simulation-3D---Water-tp16130437p16130437.html > >> Sent from the Papervision3D mailing list archive at Nabble.com<http://nabble.com/> > . > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Papervision3D mailing list > >> Papervision3D@osflash.org > >> http://osflash.org/mailman/listinfo/papervision3d_osflash.org > > > _______________________________________________ Papervision3D mailing list Papervision3D@osflash.org http://osflash.org/mailman/listinfo/papervision3d_osflash.org