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Ctl+Shift+Q vs. Ctl+W to close a window

2009-12-08T12:52:53Z

I propose changing the keyboard shortcut to close a window in
FontForge to Ctl+W. I have three arguments for this.

Ctl+W is the conventional keyboard shortcut for closing a window on
Linux and Mac OS X, and (I believe) on Windows. Using Ctl+Shift+Q to
close a window can be really surprising to new users. I have never
been able to get used to it, despite having used FontForge for several
years now.

Currently, Ctl+W is used for "Copy Width" in the outline and font view
windows. I propose using Alt+Ctl+W for "Copy Width" instead. It's
better to use simpler keyboard shortcuts for more common actions; I
argue that closing a window happens more frequently than copying a
character's width; therefore it makes sense to use a simpler keyboard
shortcut for close window.

Under X11 on OS X, if key equivalents are enabled, Ctl+Shift+Q gets
remapped to Command+Shift+Q. That happens to be the keyboard shortcut
to log out of OS X; so when you press Command+Shift+Q in FontForge,
you get a dialog saying you'll be logged out in a few seconds, and the
keystroke doesn't make it to FontForge. This means, effectively, that
there's no keyboard shortcut to close a window in FontForge on OS X.

Just to put my money where my mouth is, I've attached a patch against
the latest CVS version of FontForge which remaps "Close" to Ctl+W and
"Copy Width" to Alt+Ctl+W.

-matt

Index: fontforge/bitmapview.c =================================================================== RCS file: /cvsroot/fontforge/fontforge/fontforge/bitmapview.c,v retrieving revision 1.68 diff -u -r1.68 bitmapview.c --- fontforge/bitmapview.c 4 Nov 2009 03:58:45 -0000 1.68 +++ fontforge/bitmapview.c 8 Dec 2009 02:16:06 -0000 @@ -2091,7 +2091,7 @@ { { (unichar_t *) N_("Font|_New"), (GImage *) "filenew.png", COLOR_DEFAULT, COLOR_DEFAULT, NULL, NULL, 0, 1, 0, 0, 0, 0, 1, 1, 0, 'N' }, H_("New|Ctl+N"), NULL, NULL, MenuNew }, { { (unichar_t *) N_("_Open"), (GImage *) "fileopen.png", COLOR_DEFAULT, COLOR_DEFAULT, NULL, NULL, 0, 1, 0, 0, 0, 0, 1, 1, 0, 'O' }, H_("Open|Ctl+O"), NULL, NULL, MenuOpen }, { { (unichar_t *) N_("Recen_t"), (GImage *) "filerecent.png", COLOR_DEFAULT, COLOR_DEFAULT, NULL, NULL, 0, 1, 0, 0, 0, 0, 1, 1, 0, 't' }, NULL, dummyitem, MenuRecentBuild, NULL, MID_Recent }, - { { (unichar_t *) N_("_Close"), (GImage *) "fileclose.png", COLOR_DEFAULT, COLOR_DEFAULT, NULL, NULL, 0, 1, 0, 0, 0, 0, 1, 1, 0, 'C' }, H_("Close|Ctl+Shft+Q"), NULL, NULL, BVMenuClose }, + { { (unichar_t *) N_("_Close"), (GImage *) "fileclose.png", COLOR_DEFAULT, COLOR_DEFAULT, NULL, NULL, 0, 1, 0, 0, 0, 0, 1, 1, 0, 'C' }, H_("Close|Ctl+W"), NULL, NULL, BVMenuClose }, { { NULL, NULL, COLOR_DEFAULT, COLOR_DEFAULT, NULL, NULL, 0, 1, 0, 0, 0, 1, 0, 0, }}, { { (unichar_t *) N_("_Save"), (GImage *) "filesave.png", COLOR_DEFAULT, COLOR_DEFAULT, NULL, NULL, 0, 1, 0, 0, 0, 0, 1, 1, 0, 'S' }, H_("Save|Ctl+S"), NULL, NULL, BVMenuSave }, { { (unichar_t *) N_("S_ave as..."), (GImage *) "filesaveas.png", COLOR_DEFAULT, COLOR_DEFAULT, NULL, NULL, 0, 1, 0, 0, 0, 0, 1, 1, 0, 'a' }, H_("Save as...|Ctl+Shft+S"), NULL, NULL, BVMenuSaveAs }, Index: fontforge/charinfo.c =================================================================== RCS file: /cvsroot/fontforge/fontforge/fontforge/charinfo.c,v retrieving revision 1.137 diff -u -r1.137 charinfo.c --- fontforge/charinfo.c 11 Nov 2009 21:48:42 -0000 1.137 +++ fontforge/charinfo.c 8 Dec 2009 02:16:09 -0000 @@ -3915,7 +3915,7 @@ return( true ); } else if ( GMenuIsCommand(event,H_("Quit|Ctl+Q") )) { MenuExit(NULL,NULL,NULL); - } else if ( GMenuIsCommand(event,H_("Close|Ctl+Shft+Q") )) { + } else if ( GMenuIsCommand(event,H_("Close|Ctl+W") )) { CI_DoCancel(ci); } return( false ); Index: fontforge/charview.c =================================================================== RCS file: /cvsroot/fontforge/fontforge/fontforge/charview.c,v retrieving revision 1.432 diff -u -r1.432 charview.c --- fontforge/charview.c 4 Nov 2009 03:58:45 -0000 1.432 +++ fontforge/charview.c 8 Dec 2009 02:16:17 -0000 @@ -9209,7 +9209,7 @@ { { (unichar_t *) N_("Font|_New"), (GImage *) "filenew.png", COLOR_DEFAULT, COLOR_DEFAULT, NULL, NULL, 0, 1, 0, 0, 0, 0, 1, 1, 0, 'N' }, H_("New|Ctl+N"), NULL, NULL, MenuNew, MID_New }, { { (unichar_t *) N_("_Open"), (GImage *) "fileopen.png", COLOR_DEFAULT, COLOR_DEFAULT, NULL, NULL, 0, 1, 0, 0, 0, 0, 1, 1, 0, 'O' }, H_("Open|Ctl+O"), NULL, NULL, MenuOpen, MID_Open }, { { (unichar_t *) N_("Recen_t"), (GImage *) "filerecent.png", COLOR_DEFAULT, COLOR_DEFAULT, NULL, NULL, 0, 1, 0, 0, 0, 0, 1, 1, 0, 't' }, NULL, dummyitem, MenuRecentBuild, NULL, MID_Recent }, - { { (unichar_t *) N_("_Close"), (GImage *) "fileclose.png", COLOR_DEFAULT, COLOR_DEFAULT, NULL, NULL, 0, 1, 0, 0, 0, 0, 1, 1, 0, 'C' }, H_("Close|Ctl+Shft+Q"), NULL, NULL, CVMenuClose, MID_Close }, + { { (unichar_t *) N_("_Close"), (GImage *) "fileclose.png", COLOR_DEFAULT, COLOR_DEFAULT, NULL, NULL, 0, 1, 0, 0, 0, 0, 1, 1, 0, 'C' }, H_("Close|Ctl+W"), NULL, NULL, CVMenuClose, MID_Close }, { { (unichar_t *) N_("C_lose Tab"), (GImage *) "menuempty.png", COLOR_DEFAULT, COLOR_DEFAULT, NULL, NULL, 0, 1, 0, 0, 0, 0, 1, 1, 0, 'C' }, H_("Close Tab|No Shortcut"), NULL, NULL, CVMenuCloseTab, MID_CloseTab }, { { NULL, NULL, COLOR_DEFAULT, COLOR_DEFAULT, NULL, NULL, 0, 1, 0, 0, 0, 1, 0, 0, }}, { { (unichar_t *) N_("_Save"), (GImage *) "filesave.png", COLOR_DEFAULT, COLOR_DEFAULT, NULL, NULL, 0, 1, 0, 0, 0, 0, 1, 1, 0, 'S' }, H_("Save|Ctl+S"), NULL, NULL, CVMenuSave }, @@ -9268,7 +9268,7 @@ { { (unichar_t *) N_("_Copy"), (GImage *) "editcopy.png", COLOR_DEFAULT, COLOR_DEFAULT, NULL, NULL, 0, 1, 0, 0, 0, 0, 1, 1, 0, 'C' }, H_("Copy|Ctl+C"), NULL, NULL, CVCopy, MID_Copy }, { { (unichar_t *) N_("C_opy Reference"), (GImage *) "editcopyref.png", COLOR_DEFAULT, COLOR_DEFAULT, NULL, NULL, 0, 1, 0, 0, 0, 0, 1, 1, 0, 'o' }, H_("Copy Reference|Ctl+G"), NULL, NULL, CVCopyRef, MID_CopyRef }, { { (unichar_t *) N_("Copy Loo_kup Data"), (GImage *) "editcopylookupdata.png", COLOR_DEFAULT, COLOR_DEFAULT, NULL, NULL, 0, 1, 0, 0, 0, 0, 1, 1, 0, 'o' }, H_("Copy Lookup Data|Alt+Ctl+C"), NULL, NULL, CVCopyLookupData, MID_CopyLookupData }, - { { (unichar_t *) N_("Copy _Width"), (GImage *) "editcopywidth.png", COLOR_DEFAULT, COLOR_DEFAULT, NULL, NULL, 0, 1, 0, 0, 0, 0, 1, 1, 0, 'W' }, H_("Copy Width|Ctl+W"), NULL, NULL, CVCopyWidth, MID_CopyWidth }, + { { (unichar_t *) N_("Copy _Width"), (GImage *) "editcopywidth.png", COLOR_DEFAULT, COLOR_DEFAULT, NULL, NULL, 0, 1, 0, 0, 0, 0, 1, 1, 0, 'W' }, H_("Copy Width|Alt+Ctl+W"), NULL, NULL, CVCopyWidth, MID_CopyWidth }, { { (unichar_t *) N_("Co_py LBearing"), (GImage *) "editcopylbearing.png", COLOR_DEFAULT, COLOR_DEFAULT, NULL, NULL, 0, 1, 0, 0, 0, 0, 1, 1, 0, 'p' }, H_("Copy LBearing|No Shortcut"), NULL, NULL, CVCopyWidth, MID_CopyLBearing }, { { (unichar_t *) N_("Copy RBearin_g"), (GImage *) "editcopyrbearing.png", COLOR_DEFAULT, COLOR_DEFAULT, NULL, NULL, 0, 1, 0, 0, 0, 0, 1, 1, 0, 'g' }, H_("Copy RBearing|No Shortcut"), NULL, NULL, CVCopyWidth, MID_CopyRBearing }, { { (unichar_t *) N_("_Paste"), (GImage *) "editpaste.png", COLOR_DEFAULT, COLOR_DEFAULT, NULL, NULL, 0, 1, 0, 0, 0, 0, 1, 1, 0, 'P' }, H_("Paste|Ctl+V"), NULL, NULL, CVPaste, MID_Paste }, Index: fontforge/contextchain.c =================================================================== RCS file: /cvsroot/fontforge/fontforge/fontforge/contextchain.c,v retrieving revision 1.46 diff -u -r1.46 contextchain.c --- fontforge/contextchain.c 12 Nov 2009 03:00:42 -0000 1.46 +++ fontforge/contextchain.c 8 Dec 2009 02:16:18 -0000 @@ -1048,7 +1048,7 @@ } else if ( GMenuIsCommand(event,H_("Quit|Ctl+Q") )) { MenuExit(NULL,NULL,NULL); return( true ); - } else if ( GMenuIsCommand(event,H_("Close|Ctl+Shft+Q") )) { + } else if ( GMenuIsCommand(event,H_("Close|Ctl+W") )) { CCD_Close(GDrawGetUserData(gw)); return( true ); } else if ( event->u.chr.chars[0]=='\r' ) { @@ -1074,7 +1074,7 @@ } else if ( GMenuIsCommand(event,H_("Quit|Ctl+Q") )) { MenuExit(NULL,NULL,NULL); return( true ); - } else if ( GMenuIsCommand(event,H_("Close|Ctl+Shft+Q") )) { + } else if ( GMenuIsCommand(event,H_("Close|Ctl+W") )) { CCD_Close(GDrawGetUserData(gw)); return( true ); } else if ( event->u.chr.chars[0]=='\r' ) { Index: fontforge/displayfonts.c =================================================================== RCS file: /cvsroot/fontforge/fontforge/fontforge/displayfonts.c,v retrieving revision 1.53 diff -u -r1.53 displayfonts.c --- fontforge/displayfonts.c 30 Jan 2009 03:05:02 -0000 1.53 +++ fontforge/displayfonts.c 8 Dec 2009 02:16:19 -0000 @@ -1516,7 +1516,7 @@ } else if ( GMenuIsCommand(event,H_("Quit|Ctl+Q") )) { MenuExit(NULL,NULL,NULL); return( false ); - } else if ( GMenuIsCommand(event,H_("Close|Ctl+Shft+Q") )) { + } else if ( GMenuIsCommand(event,H_("Close|Ctl+W") )) { PD *di = GDrawGetUserData(gw); di->pi.done = true; } Index: fontforge/fontinfo.c =================================================================== RCS file: /cvsroot/fontforge/fontforge/fontforge/fontinfo.c,v retrieving revision 1.272 diff -u -r1.272 fontinfo.c --- fontforge/fontinfo.c 11 Nov 2009 21:48:43 -0000 1.272 +++ fontforge/fontinfo.c 8 Dec 2009 02:16:31 -0000 @@ -2807,7 +2807,7 @@ } else if ( GMenuIsCommand(event,H_("Quit|Ctl+Q") )) { MenuExit(NULL,NULL,NULL); return( true ); - } else if ( GMenuIsCommand(event,H_("Close|Ctl+Shft+Q") )) { + } else if ( GMenuIsCommand(event,H_("Close|Ctl+W") )) { GFI_CancelClose(d); return( true ); } Index: fontforge/fontview.c =================================================================== RCS file: /cvsroot/fontforge/fontforge/fontforge/fontview.c,v retrieving revision 1.411 diff -u -r1.411 fontview.c --- fontforge/fontview.c 11 Nov 2009 21:48:43 -0000 1.411 +++ fontforge/fontview.c 8 Dec 2009 02:16:37 -0000 @@ -4289,7 +4289,7 @@ { { (unichar_t *) N_("_Open"), (GImage *) "fileopen.png", COLOR_DEFAULT, COLOR_DEFAULT, NULL, NULL, 0, 1, 0, 0, 0, 0, 1, 1, 0, 'O' }, H_("Open|Ctl+O"), NULL, NULL, MenuOpen }, { { (unichar_t *) N_("Browse web"), (GImage *) "menuempty.png", COLOR_DEFAULT, COLOR_DEFAULT, NULL, NULL, 0, 1, 0, 0, 0, 0, 1, 1, 0, 'O' }, NULL, sites, NULL, NULL }, { { (unichar_t *) N_("Recen_t"), (GImage *) "filerecent.png", COLOR_DEFAULT, COLOR_DEFAULT, NULL, NULL, 0, 1, 0, 0, 0, 0, 1, 1, 0, 't' }, NULL, dummyitem, MenuRecentBuild, NULL, MID_Recent }, - { { (unichar_t *) N_("_Close"), (GImage *) "fileclose.png", COLOR_DEFAULT, COLOR_DEFAULT, NULL, NULL, 0, 1, 0, 0, 0, 0, 1, 1, 0, 'C' }, H_("Close|Ctl+Shft+Q"), NULL, NULL, FVMenuClose }, + { { (unichar_t *) N_("_Close"), (GImage *) "fileclose.png", COLOR_DEFAULT, COLOR_DEFAULT, NULL, NULL, 0, 1, 0, 0, 0, 0, 1, 1, 0, 'C' }, H_("Close|Ctl+W"), NULL, NULL, FVMenuClose }, { { NULL, NULL, COLOR_DEFAULT, COLOR_DEFAULT, NULL, NULL, 0, 1, 0, 0, 0, 1, 0, 0, }}, { { (unichar_t *) N_("_Save"), (GImage *) "filesave.png", COLOR_DEFAULT, COLOR_DEFAULT, NULL, NULL, 0, 1, 0, 0, 0, 0, 1, 1, 0, 'S' }, H_("Save|Ctl+S"), NULL, NULL, FVMenuSave }, { { (unichar_t *) N_("S_ave as..."), (GImage *) "filesaveas.png", COLOR_DEFAULT, COLOR_DEFAULT, NULL, NULL, 0, 1, 0, 0, 0, 0, 1, 1, 0, 'a' }, H_("Save as...|Ctl+Shft+S"), NULL, NULL, FVMenuSaveAs }, @@ -4380,7 +4380,7 @@ { { (unichar_t *) N_("_Copy"), (GImage *) "editcopy.png", COLOR_DEFAULT, COLOR_DEFAULT, NULL, NULL, 0, 1, 0, 0, 0, 0, 1, 1, 0, 'C' }, H_("Copy|Ctl+C"), NULL, NULL, FVMenuCopy, MID_Copy }, { { (unichar_t *) N_("C_opy Reference"), (GImage *) "editcopyref.png", COLOR_DEFAULT, COLOR_DEFAULT, NULL, NULL, 0, 1, 0, 0, 0, 0, 1, 1, 0, 'o' }, H_("Copy Reference|Ctl+G"), NULL, NULL, FVMenuCopyRef, MID_CopyRef }, { { (unichar_t *) N_("Copy _Lookup Data"), (GImage *) "editcopylookupdata.png", COLOR_DEFAULT, COLOR_DEFAULT, NULL, NULL, 0, 1, 0, 0, 0, 0, 1, 1, 0, 'o' }, H_("Copy Lookup Data|Alt+Ctl+C"), NULL, NULL, FVMenuCopyLookupData, MID_CopyLookupData }, - { { (unichar_t *) N_("Copy _Width"), (GImage *) "editcopywidth.png", COLOR_DEFAULT, COLOR_DEFAULT, NULL, NULL, 0, 1, 0, 0, 0, 0, 1, 1, 0, 'W' }, H_("Copy Width|Ctl+W"), NULL, NULL, FVMenuCopyWidth, MID_CopyWidth }, + { { (unichar_t *) N_("Copy _Width"), (GImage *) "editcopywidth.png", COLOR_DEFAULT, COLOR_DEFAULT, NULL, NULL, 0, 1, 0, 0, 0, 0, 1, 1, 0, 'W' }, H_("Copy Width|Alt+Ctl+W"), NULL, NULL, FVMenuCopyWidth, MID_CopyWidth }, { { (unichar_t *) N_("Copy _VWidth"), (GImage *) "editcopyvwidth.png", COLOR_DEFAULT, COLOR_DEFAULT, NULL, NULL, 0, 1, 0, 0, 0, 0, 1, 1, 0, 'V' }, H_("Copy VWidth|No Shortcut"), NULL, NULL, FVMenuCopyWidth, MID_CopyVWidth }, { { (unichar_t *) N_("Co_py LBearing"), (GImage *) "editcopylbearing.png", COLOR_DEFAULT, COLOR_DEFAULT, NULL, NULL, 0, 1, 0, 0, 0, 0, 1, 1, 0, 'p' }, H_("Copy LBearing|No Shortcut"), NULL, NULL, FVMenuCopyWidth, MID_CopyLBearing }, { { (unichar_t *) N_("Copy RBearin_g"), (GImage *) "editcopyrbearing.png", COLOR_DEFAULT, COLOR_DEFAULT, NULL, NULL, 0, 1, 0, 0, 0, 0, 1, 1, 0, 'g' }, H_("Copy RBearing|No Shortcut"), NULL, NULL, FVMenuCopyWidth, MID_CopyRBearing }, Index: fontforge/math.c =================================================================== RCS file: /cvsroot/fontforge/fontforge/fontforge/math.c,v retrieving revision 1.32 diff -u -r1.32 math.c --- fontforge/math.c 11 Nov 2009 21:48:43 -0000 1.32 +++ fontforge/math.c 8 Dec 2009 02:16:38 -0000 @@ -822,7 +822,7 @@ return( true ); } else if ( GMenuIsCommand(event,H_("Quit|Ctl+Q") )) { MenuExit(NULL,NULL,NULL); - } else if ( GMenuIsCommand(event,H_("Close|Ctl+Shft+Q") )) { + } else if ( GMenuIsCommand(event,H_("Close|Ctl+W") )) { math->done = true; } return( false ); @@ -1116,7 +1116,7 @@ return( true ); } else if ( GMenuIsCommand(event,H_("Quit|Ctl+Q") )) { MenuExit(NULL,NULL,NULL); - } else if ( GMenuIsCommand(event,H_("Close|Ctl+Shft+Q") )) { + } else if ( GMenuIsCommand(event,H_("Close|Ctl+W") )) { math->done = true; } return( false ); Index: fontforge/metricsview.c =================================================================== RCS file: /cvsroot/fontforge/fontforge/fontforge/metricsview.c,v retrieving revision 1.130 diff -u -r1.130 metricsview.c --- fontforge/metricsview.c 4 Nov 2009 03:58:45 -0000 1.130 +++ fontforge/metricsview.c 8 Dec 2009 02:16:41 -0000 @@ -3025,7 +3025,7 @@ { { (unichar_t *) N_("Font|_New"), (GImage *) "filenew.png", COLOR_DEFAULT, COLOR_DEFAULT, NULL, NULL, 0, 1, 0, 0, 0, 0, 1, 1, 0, 'N' }, H_("New|Ctl+N"), NULL, NULL, MenuNew }, { { (unichar_t *) N_("_Open"), (GImage *) "fileopen.png", COLOR_DEFAULT, COLOR_DEFAULT, NULL, NULL, 0, 1, 0, 0, 0, 0, 1, 1, 0, 'O' }, H_("Open|Ctl+O"), NULL, NULL, MenuOpen }, { { (unichar_t *) N_("Recen_t"), (GImage *) "filerecent.png", COLOR_DEFAULT, COLOR_DEFAULT, NULL, NULL, 0, 1, 0, 0, 0, 0, 1, 1, 0, 't' }, NULL, dummyitem, MenuRecentBuild, NULL, MID_Recent }, - { { (unichar_t *) N_("_Close"), (GImage *) "fileclose.png", COLOR_DEFAULT, COLOR_DEFAULT, NULL, NULL, 0, 1, 0, 0, 0, 0, 1, 1, 0, 'C' }, H_("Close|Ctl+Shft+Q"), NULL, NULL, MVMenuClose }, + { { (unichar_t *) N_("_Close"), (GImage *) "fileclose.png", COLOR_DEFAULT, COLOR_DEFAULT, NULL, NULL, 0, 1, 0, 0, 0, 0, 1, 1, 0, 'C' }, H_("Close|Ctl+W"), NULL, NULL, MVMenuClose }, { { NULL, NULL, COLOR_DEFAULT, COLOR_DEFAULT, NULL, NULL, 0, 1, 0, 0, 0, 1, 0, 0, }}, { { (unichar_t *) N_("_Save"), (GImage *) "filesave.png", COLOR_DEFAULT, COLOR_DEFAULT, NULL, NULL, 0, 1, 0, 0, 0, 0, 1, 1, 0, 'S' }, H_("Save|Ctl+S"), NULL, NULL, MVMenuSave }, { { (unichar_t *) N_("S_ave as..."), (GImage *) "filesaveas.png", COLOR_DEFAULT, COLOR_DEFAULT, NULL, NULL, 0, 1, 0, 0, 0, 0, 1, 1, 0, 'a' }, H_("Save as...|Ctl+Shft+S"), NULL, NULL, MVMenuSaveAs }, @@ -3051,7 +3051,7 @@ { { (unichar_t *) N_("Cu_t"), (GImage *) "editcut.png", COLOR_DEFAULT, COLOR_DEFAULT, NULL, NULL, 0, 1, 0, 0, 0, 0, 1, 1, 0, 't' }, H_("Cut|Ctl+X"), NULL, NULL, MVCut, MID_Cut }, { { (unichar_t *) N_("_Copy"), (GImage *) "editcopy.png", COLOR_DEFAULT, COLOR_DEFAULT, NULL, NULL, 0, 1, 0, 0, 0, 0, 1, 1, 0, 'C' }, H_("Copy|Ctl+C"), NULL, NULL, MVCopy, MID_Copy }, { { (unichar_t *) N_("C_opy Reference"), (GImage *) "editcopyref.png", COLOR_DEFAULT, COLOR_DEFAULT, NULL, NULL, 0, 1, 0, 0, 0, 0, 1, 1, 0, 'o' }, H_("Copy Reference|Ctl+G"), NULL, NULL, MVMenuCopyRef, MID_CopyRef }, - { { (unichar_t *) N_("Copy _Width"), (GImage *) "editcopywidth.png", COLOR_DEFAULT, COLOR_DEFAULT, NULL, NULL, 0, 1, 0, 0, 0, 0, 1, 1, 0, 'W' }, H_("Copy Width|Ctl+W"), NULL, NULL, MVMenuCopyWidth, MID_CopyWidth }, + { { (unichar_t *) N_("Copy _Width"), (GImage *) "editcopywidth.png", COLOR_DEFAULT, COLOR_DEFAULT, NULL, NULL, 0, 1, 0, 0, 0, 0, 1, 1, 0, 'W' }, H_("Copy Width|Alt+Ctl+W"), NULL, NULL, MVMenuCopyWidth, MID_CopyWidth }, { { (unichar_t *) N_("Copy _VWidth"), (GImage *) "editcopyvwidth.png", COLOR_DEFAULT, COLOR_DEFAULT, NULL, NULL, 0, 1, 0, 0, 0, 0, 1, 1, 0, 'V' }, H_("Copy VWidth|No Shortcut"), NULL, NULL, MVMenuCopyWidth, MID_CopyVWidth }, { { (unichar_t *) N_("Co_py LBearing"), (GImage *) "editcopylbearing.png", COLOR_DEFAULT, COLOR_DEFAULT, NULL, NULL, 0, 1, 0, 0, 0, 0, 1, 1, 0, 'p' }, H_("Copy LBearing|No Shortcut"), NULL, NULL, MVMenuCopyWidth, MID_CopyLBearing }, { { (unichar_t *) N_("Copy RBearin_g"), (GImage *) "editcopyrbearing.png", COLOR_DEFAULT, COLOR_DEFAULT, NULL, NULL, 0, 1, 0, 0, 0, 0, 1, 1, 0, 'g' }, H_("Copy RBearing|No Shortcut"), NULL, NULL, MVMenuCopyWidth, MID_CopyRBearing }, Index: fontforge/mmdlg.c =================================================================== RCS file: /cvsroot/fontforge/fontforge/fontforge/mmdlg.c,v retrieving revision 1.12 diff -u -r1.12 mmdlg.c --- fontforge/mmdlg.c 13 Sep 2009 00:05:12 -0000 1.12 +++ fontforge/mmdlg.c 8 Dec 2009 02:16:43 -0000 @@ -968,7 +968,7 @@ } else if ( GMenuIsCommand(event,H_("Quit|Ctl+Q") )) { MenuExit(NULL,NULL,NULL); return( true ); - } else if ( GMenuIsCommand(event,H_("Close|Ctl+Shft+Q") )) { + } else if ( GMenuIsCommand(event,H_("Close|Ctl+W") )) { ESD_Close(GDrawGetUserData(gw)); return( true ); }

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Mac OS X key equivalents under X11

2009-12-07T12:55:28Z

Hi.

I have FontForge 20090622 installed on Mac OS X via MacPorts, and the
latest version from CVS compiled (but not installed, I'm running it by
typing ./fontforge/fontforge in the CVS root).

If "Enable key equivalents under X11" in the X11 Preferences window is
un-checked, version 20090622 uses the command key for keyboard
shortcuts in FontForge.

However, the latest version compiled from CVS appears to always use
the control key for keyboard shortcuts, regardless of whether "Enable
key equivalents under X11" is checked or not.

Is this a bug in the latest version of FontForge? Does FontForge need
to be installed to detect this X11 setting? Is there a way to make the
latest version of FontForge use the command key for shortcuts?

-matt

p.s. I'm on OS X 10.6.2. The About window in X11 says "XQuartz 2.3.4
(xorg-server 1.4.2-apple45)"

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pyhton

2009-12-06T02:04:34Z

Hi,

I can load a font with gz compression.
It is possibile to save a font with gz compression?

outname = "LinLibertineOC_generate.sfd.gz";
fnt.save(outname);

dont work.

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Re: jython

2009-12-06T01:51:17Z

Barry Schwartz schrieb:
> "M. Niedermair" <m_g_n@...> skribis:
>> is there a way to use the fontforge python scripting with jython and
>> java?

I use pyhton more. ;-)

>
> BTW it works fine with Cython, if you are simply looking for
> alternatives to CPython to use with FontForge.

I will checking it.

Thanks
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Re: jython

2009-12-04T11:44:53Z

"M. Niedermair" <m_g_n@...> skribis:
> is there a way to use the fontforge python scripting with jython and
> java?

BTW it works fine with Cython, if you are simply looking for
alternatives to CPython to use with FontForge.

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Re: jython

2009-12-04T11:40:55Z

"M. Niedermair" <m_g_n@...> skribis:
> is there a way to use the fontforge python scripting with jython and java?

Apparently not:

http://wiki.python.org/jython/JythonFaq/GeneralInfo

There are a number of differences. First, Jython programs cannot
use CPython extension modules written in C. These modules usually
have files with the extension .so, .pyd or .dll. If you want to use
such a module, you should look for an equivalent written in pure
Python or Java. Although it is technically feasible to support such
extensions - IronPython does so - there are no plans to do so in
Jython.

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jython

2009-12-04T09:32:04Z

Hi,

is there a way to use the fontforge python scripting with jython and java?

By
Michael

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Another note on Xgridfit 2.0

2009-12-02T08:30:14Z

I should have mentioned that Xgridfit 2.0 relies on the cvt.find()
function added to FontForge by George Williams in June/August 2009. You
need the September release of FontForge, or a later CVS version, to run it.

Peter

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Xgridfit 2.0

2009-12-02T05:10:38Z

I have just released version 2.0 of Xgridfit, the XML-based TrueType
hinting language for FontForge: get it at
http://xgridfit.sourceforge.net. I'll paste in release notes below.

Peter Baker

In Xgridfit 2.0, Python mode, experimental in version 1.19, is now the
default: scripts output by Xgridfit are in Python unless the option
"-l ff" is given on the command-line. Python output has been improved
in various ways, most visibly that the script does not stop on the
most common errors, but rather displays a warning and proceeds.

This version introduces merge-mode, in which the output is a Python
script that cleanly merges Xgridfit programming with the programming
already in a font. In this mode, Xgridfit can set blue values,
auto-hint and auto-instruct the font (through FontForge, of course),
and then merge in Xgridfit programming. Alternatively, it can add
instructions to a font that already has them. It can store a record of
the font's original fpgm, prep and maxp values in FontForge's
font.persistent dictionary so that Xgridfit can be run repeatedly
against the same .sfd file without causing duplication (but backups
are advisable, of course!).

Merge-mode replaces an earlier, much more complicated method of
merging Xgridfit programming into an existing font.

There have been some pretty extensive internal changes: bugs have been
fixed and the main number-handling routines have been deeply rewritten
for greater stability and maintainability.

You should uninstall any earlier version of Xgridfit before installing
this one, as most files now go in a different, more standard
location. Alternatively, just delete the directory
/usr/local/share/xgridfit (or /usr/share/xgridfit) before installing.

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glyph info suggestion

2009-11-27T09:34:59Z

Just a suggestion with the glyph info dialog - it would be handy when you are using the next and previous buttons if the glyph you are currently on was highlighted in the font window, rather than the glyph you originally selected staying highlighted.

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mark glyphs?

2009-11-26T04:36:31Z

Okay, I see you can mark glyphs in glyph info>comments.

Is there a facility in FF to mark glyphs in the font window (say with a colour), or classify them any other way in an ad hoc fashion? I can't see any at the moment, but it would be handy.

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Re: noob generating open type font

2009-11-23T16:58:23Z

I just downloaded your reworking of MJFNotf. This otf works fine for me as well, even installing with the GUI. I still need to add a few glyphs. Then I'll just make addenda to the lookup tables you filled out. When I get something that feels like a completion, I'll repost so this thread is more thorough.

I've been playing around with the 'ccmp' version of my font. Things have gotten better, but I'm not exactly sure why. I started a fresh sfd file and cut and pasted my basic latin glyphs from the old MJFN.sfd. Then I started creating ligatures for my accented characters in PUA slots. Then I created new lookup tables. Now my accented characters substitutions are working.

Like I said, I'm not fully sure why. This time I put the ligature glyphs into PUA slots rather than requisitioning non-PUA slots and using references rather than independent contours. I also am making several lookup tables, last time I just had one table that had all my substitutions in it. I think it will make testing easier if I make a small set of ccmp substitutions and incrementally try them out. I also added extrema to all my glyphs ( a few still show up as errors when I generate a font, but now I'm only ignoring a handful of glyph errors rather than missing extrema on just about every character.) I also noticed my Win descent had gotten screwed up in the OS/2 menu. I orginally set the Win Descent for 750 as my g's and y's descenders are rather low and after generating the font the OS/2 at changed to ~1400.

Anyway, none of these things intuitively seem to have anything to do with 'ccmp' but these are the things I've done, and now my font works.

Thanks for all the help.

Jedd Schrock

On Mon, Nov 23, 2009 at 1:17 PM, Peter Baker <psb6m@...> wrote:

jtschrock wrote:

I have both Gnome and KDE installed on my computer, so to install fonts I do
one of two things:

1. right click on font file, open with KFontView. This brings up a GUI that
shows the font's characters and has a button to install. When I open the
MJFNotf.otf that I just generated, it displays the glyphs, but the install
button is disabled.

2. Applications -- System Tools -- System Settings -- Font installer. Then
a window opens where I navigate to the folder containing the font I want to
install. Highlight click add. When I navigate to the folder containing
MJFNotf.otf the file isn't recognized in the window no matter which file
type I filter for.

I usually don't use a GUI to install fonts, but still, I was able to do it in Gnome. So it's hard to say what might be going wrong with your font.

A little more background on what I'm trying to do. Given this font is a
handwriting font, and it contains diacritics, I am going to need to make
diacritics attach at differing points on Base glyphs. I first made a ttf
version of this font thinking I could accomplish my goal by creating
ligature glyphs of all the base/mark combinations. then invoke these with a
'ccmp' lookup. I've done this with one previous font with fewer diacritics
and it worked. It gave me some confidence I could do it again, except
MJFN.sfd's 'ccmp' lookup doesn't seem to be working. That's when I started
to think about going the Open Type path and using anchor points. If I would
generate a .ttf and click Open Type in the options box, would that font then
have Open Type tables and working anchor points, or do anchor points only
work with fonts generated as .otf?

Either ccmp or mark should work for you, but with ccmp you need to anticipate all the combinations you need. All OpenType features should work equally well whether you choose TrueType or "OpenType" (CFF) outlines. You just need to check the "OpenType" box in "Options" to make sure they get generated.

Use "mark" instead of "abvm" and "blwm" for positioning marks over base glyphs. You need to create the "mark" lookup, then the subtable, then (for the functionality you seem to be aiming at) two anchor classes, one for marks positioned above the character, another for marks positioned below. Then you need to add anchors to all the characters and diacritics that need them. I've roughed in the infrastructure and added anchors to a, uni0302 and uni0308 (non-spacing circumflex and diaeresis). Get it here (note that this "server," actually just a home computer, is turned off after 11:00 pm Eastern Standard Time):

http://www.gouldbaker.net/font/MJFNotf.zip

For the sequence a uni0308 uni0302 the dieresis is centered over the a and the circumflex over the dieresis. Note that in the lookup list "mkmk" has got to follow "mark."

Cheers,
Peter

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Re: noob generating open type font

2009-11-23T13:17:33Z

jtschrock wrote:

>
>
> I have both Gnome and KDE installed on my computer, so to install fonts I do
> one of two things:
>
> 1. right click on font file, open with KFontView. This brings up a GUI that
> shows the font's characters and has a button to install. When I open the
> MJFNotf.otf that I just generated, it displays the glyphs, but the install
> button is disabled.
>
> 2. Applications -- System Tools -- System Settings -- Font installer. Then
> a window opens where I navigate to the folder containing the font I want to
> install. Highlight click add. When I navigate to the folder containing
> MJFNotf.otf the file isn't recognized in the window no matter which file
> type I filter for.
>

I usually don't use a GUI to install fonts, but still, I was able to do
it in Gnome. So it's hard to say what might be going wrong with your font.

>
>
> A little more background on what I'm trying to do. Given this font is a
> handwriting font, and it contains diacritics, I am going to need to make
> diacritics attach at differing points on Base glyphs. I first made a ttf
> version of this font thinking I could accomplish my goal by creating
> ligature glyphs of all the base/mark combinations. then invoke these with a
> 'ccmp' lookup. I've done this with one previous font with fewer diacritics
> and it worked. It gave me some confidence I could do it again, except
> MJFN.sfd's 'ccmp' lookup doesn't seem to be working. That's when I started
> to think about going the Open Type path and using anchor points. If I would
> generate a .ttf and click Open Type in the options box, would that font then
> have Open Type tables and working anchor points, or do anchor points only
> work with fonts generated as .otf?
>
>

Either ccmp or mark should work for you, but with ccmp you need to
anticipate all the combinations you need. All OpenType features should
work equally well whether you choose TrueType or "OpenType" (CFF)
outlines. You just need to check the "OpenType" box in "Options" to make
sure they get generated.

Use "mark" instead of "abvm" and "blwm" for positioning marks over base
glyphs. You need to create the "mark" lookup, then the subtable, then
(for the functionality you seem to be aiming at) two anchor classes, one
for marks positioned above the character, another for marks positioned
below. Then you need to add anchors to all the characters and diacritics
that need them. I've roughed in the infrastructure and added anchors to
a, uni0302 and uni0308 (non-spacing circumflex and diaeresis). Get it
here (note that this "server," actually just a home computer, is turned
off after 11:00 pm Eastern Standard Time):

http://www.gouldbaker.net/font/MJFNotf.zip

For the sequence a uni0308 uni0302 the dieresis is centered over the a
and the circumflex over the dieresis. Note that in the lookup list
"mkmk" has got to follow "mark."

Cheers,
Peter

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Re: noob generating open type font

2009-11-19T16:50:20Z

What method are you using to install it, and what error messages are you seeing?

I have both Gnome and KDE installed on my computer, so to install fonts I do one of two things:

1. right click on font file, open with KFontView. This brings up a GUI that shows the font's characters and has a button to install. When I open the MJFNotf.otf that I just generated, it displays the glyphs, but the install button is disabled.

2. Applications -- System Tools -- System Settings -- Font installer. Then a window opens where I navigate to the folder containing the font I want to install. Highlight click add. When I navigate to the folder containing MJFNotf.otf the file isn't recognized in the window no matter which file type I filter for.

Given the kind of font you're making, you shouldn't have to worry about CID. Keep things simple. In the "Options" dialog, select "Round" and "Hints" in the upper part, and in the "SFNT" part select just "PS Names" and "OpenType." Leave everything else blank.

I just tried regenerating with the options set as you suggest above, but the generated .otf behaves the same as before not being recognized by KDE Font Installer.

A little more background on what I'm trying to do. Given this font is a handwriting font, and it contains diacritics, I am going to need to make diacritics attach at differing points on Base glyphs. I first made a ttf version of this font thinking I could accomplish my goal by creating ligature glyphs of all the base/mark combinations. then invoke these with a 'ccmp' lookup. I've done this with one previous font with fewer diacritics and it worked. It gave me some confidence I could do it again, except MJFN.sfd's 'ccmp' lookup doesn't seem to be working. That's when I started to think about going the Open Type path and using anchor points. If I would generate a .ttf and click Open Type in the options box, would that font then have Open Type tables and working anchor points, or do anchor points only work with fonts generated as .otf?

I'll upload the ttf version

MJFN.sfd

Thanks for the help

Jedd Schrock

Re: noob generating open type font

2009-11-19T12:06:12Z

jtschrock wrote:
> I'm having some trouble generating an open type font from Fontforge. I've
> uploaded my sfd.
>
> http://old.nabble.com/file/p26421452/MJFNotf.sfd MJFNotf.sfd
>
> I've tried generating a Open Type CFF font as that seems to be the only
> non-Apple otf option from the generate font menu. My Linux system doesn't
> recognize the generated file as a font and won't install it.
>

I've grabbed your font, generated MJFNotf.otf and installed it
successfully under Mac OS 10.6 and Ubuntu 9.10. When you say that your
Linux system "doesn't recognize the generated file as a font and won't
install it," what do you mean exactly? What method are you using to
install it, and what error messages are you seeing?
> I've generated True Types in the past with success, but after reading the
> help files, it seems that Open Type has quite a bit more going on. I use
> both Ubuntu and Vista. The ttf's I've made in the past seem to work the
> same on both of those systems and just using the default TTF option gives me
> something godd. I am assuming the problem is that I don't understand all
> the settings in the "options" button from the generate fonts menu for Open
> Type
"OpenType" is used in two different ways. One way is to designate a font
containing OpenType tables and CFF outlines; the other way is to
designate any font containing OpenType tables. In the FontForge
"Generate" dialog, OpenType has the former meaning. A "TrueType" font
will have OpenType tables if you check the "OpenType" box in the
"Options" dialog. Since you've given your characters cubic outlines,
OpenType/CFF will give you best quality, but note that OpenOffice.org
under Linux *still* doesn't see CFF fonts.

Given the kind of font you're making, you shouldn't have to worry about
CID. Keep things simple. In the "Options" dialog, select "Round" and
"Hints" in the upper part, and in the "SFNT" part select just "PS Names"
and "OpenType." Leave everything else blank.

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noob generating open type font

2009-11-19T11:36:52Z

I'm having some trouble generating an open type font from Fontforge. I've uploaded my sfd.

MJFNotf.sfd

I've tried generating a Open Type CFF font as that seems to be the only non-Apple otf option from the generate font menu. My Linux system doesn't recognize the generated file as a font and won't install it.

I've generated True Types in the past with success, but after reading the help files, it seems that Open Type has quite a bit more going on. I use both Ubuntu and Vista. The ttf's I've made in the past seem to work the same on both of those systems and just using the default TTF option gives me something godd. I am assuming the problem is that I don't understand all the settings in the "options" button from the generate fonts menu for Open Type. To understand the help files I have to have a pretty deep knowledge of wrappers, CID keyed fonts, etc, which I don't have. Could anyone give me a quick dumbed-down outline of which options I need to have to create an otf that is recognized by Ubuntu 9.04 for use in applications like Scribus, and Abiword?

Sorry for the ignorance

Re: Problems with characters being unprintable within Windows

2009-11-19T10:40:02Z

"\"Gé van Gasteren\"" <gevangasteren@...> skribis:

> Subject: [Fontforge-users] Problems with characters being unprintable
> within
> Windows
> From: "\"Gé van Gasteren\"" <gevangasteren@...>
> Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2009 19:11:28 +0100
> To: fontforge-users@...
>
> Hi Albert,
> Your info is very complete, so it’s easy to see the problem.
>
> Avoiding the range x80-x9f is standard nowadays: unicode fonts don’t
> allow any characters in there.
> And xAD is also a kind of control character: I think Microsoft
> introduced it to enable typists to insert it to indicate where a word
> may be hyphenated. It’s called "discretionary hyphen" or "soft
> hyphen". So you need to avoid that position too.

It's also used in PDFs to mark that a hyphen in the text was
discretionary. That way, for instance, when you extract text with the
select tool the hyphen will be removed.

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Re: Force outputting of blank glyphs

2009-11-19T10:35:19Z

On Thu, Nov 19, 2009 at 06:21:24PM -0000, Paul Flo Williams wrote:

> To partially answer my own query:
>
> > I've been trying to generate a font with quite a few blank glyphs, ie.
> > defined as being spaces rather than .notdef, but all of them except for
> > space itself seem to be missing from the OpenType output.
>
> On further investigation, it appears I'm much mistaken as to where my
> problem lies. The handy tool "ttx" shows me that the OpenType font
> produced by FontForge contains definitions for my blank glyphs, so the
> problem then becomes why the blanks are substituted when I use the font in
> Inkscape, and why they show up as red in Fontmatrix.
>
> I've just started reading the Fontconfig documentation, and I suspect that
> the problem lies in my font having what it calls "unexpected blanks",
> which Fontconfig treats as broken glyphs in the font. I now need to find
> out how to mark these as not broken, which will need more reading, and
> quite possibly the assistance of a different mailing list :-)

You may need to search for how to disable fontconfig/pango font
fallback.

Regards,
Khaled

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Re: Force outputting of blank glyphs

2009-11-19T10:21:24Z

To partially answer my own query:

> I've been trying to generate a font with quite a few blank glyphs, ie.
> defined as being spaces rather than .notdef, but all of them except for
> space itself seem to be missing from the OpenType output.

On further investigation, it appears I'm much mistaken as to where my
problem lies. The handy tool "ttx" shows me that the OpenType font
produced by FontForge contains definitions for my blank glyphs, so the
problem then becomes why the blanks are substituted when I use the font in
Inkscape, and why they show up as red in Fontmatrix.

I've just started reading the Fontconfig documentation, and I suspect that
the problem lies in my font having what it calls "unexpected blanks",
which Fontconfig treats as broken glyphs in the font. I now need to find
out how to mark these as not broken, which will need more reading, and
quite possibly the assistance of a different mailing list :-)

Sorry for the noise.

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Problems with characters being unprintable within Windows

2009-11-19T10:11:28Z

Hi Albert,
Your info is very complete, so it’s easy to see the problem.

Avoiding the range x80-x9f is standard nowadays: unicode fonts don’t
allow any characters in there.
And xAD is also a kind of control character: I think Microsoft
introduced it to enable typists to insert it to indicate where a word
may be hyphenated. It’s called "discretionary hyphen" or "soft
hyphen". So you need to avoid that position too.

I don’t know how your font is to be used, but in fact, these days, it would be better to make your font compatible with the Unicode list, with all listed symbols in the right spots and the non-listed ones in the Public Use Area, and use a custom keyboard, or keyboard macros, to type them.

That brings up the point of converting existing documents, of course, but if that is necessary and they contain characters in the x80-x9f range, you’re in trouble anyway.

Here’s an overview of that range in Unicode -- note that xAD is greyed out:
http://www.decodeunicode.org/en/latin-1_supplement

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Re: Problems with characters being unprintable within Windows

2009-11-19T07:03:43Z

Dorrington, Albert wrote:
> So, what is the best approach around this issue? Is there a different encoding I can use? Or should I move the characters out of the 0x80-0x9F, and 0xAD slots into others?
>
>
Well, I tend to think that the best approach, when a font is going to
have a basic Latin alphabet in it, is to choose ISO 10646-1 (Unicode
BMP) as the encoding. This makes the font useful in the widest possible
range of applications. For your symbols, search the symbol ranges of the
Unicode spec (www.unicode.org) to find out where they should go, and if
you don't find them, assign them code points in the Private Use Area.

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Re: Problems with characters being unprintable within Windows

2009-11-19T06:52:02Z

Thanks for your explaination, that makes some sense to me. I would have thought that defining these characters as a symbol font would have changed the font to let these characters work. However I just took a look at the Wingding fonts and see that the same thing exists with the 0xAD character there as well.

So, what is the best approach around this issue? Is there a different encoding I can use? Or should I move the characters out of the 0x80-0x9F, and 0xAD slots into others?

This font is intended to be used within my program, but I also would like it to work within standard applications like word, powerpoint, notepad, wordpad and paint.

It sounds like moving these characters around might be an option, or, picking a more appropriate encoding and/or assigning unicode values that would be more 'compatible' with the font.

I just don't think I know enough at this point to know the right answer. ;-)

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To: Dorrington, Albert
Cc: fontforge-users@...
Subject: Re: [Fontforge-users] Problems with characters being unprintable within Windows

Dorrington, Albert wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I am pretty new to using FontForge. I have been trying to convert a
> BDF font used in one of our products to a TTF.
> I have been fairly successful in converting the font, however one
> character will not print out, that being the one that is held at 0xAD.
>
> ...
>
> Within my application, and things like Notepad and Wordpad, the font
> displays all characters, except 0xAD, Although, when I just tried to
> paste the font into MSPaint, to generate a graphic file, I found that
> many of the characters in the 0x80 - 0x9F range were unprintable...
> (which makes sense, since I could see the 0x80 - 09F range being a
> repeat of the 0x00-0x1F)
>

The Unicode character U+00AD is the soft hyphen. It gets special treatment from applications, being displayed only when needed at the end of a line.

Again in Unicode, the range U+0080 - U+009F contains only control codes, not printable characters.

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Force outputting of blank glyphs

2009-11-18T23:10:08Z

I've been trying to generate a font with quite a few blank glyphs, ie.
defined as being spaces rather than .notdef, but all of them except for
space itself seem to be missing from the OpenType output.

I've looked at the Glyph Info dialog, but I can't see a way of saying
"please include this in the output, even though it looks redundant".

Please let me know what I'm missing?

In case the problem is actually with my SFD file, I've uploaded it here:

http://hisdeedsaredust.com/fonts/maytermone.sfd.gz

Thank you.

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Re: Problems with characters being unprintable within Windows

2009-11-18T14:41:12Z

Dorrington, Albert wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I am pretty new to using FontForge. I have been trying to convert a
> BDF font used in one of our products to a TTF.
> I have been fairly successful in converting the font, however one
> character will not print out, that being the one that
> is held at 0xAD.
>
> ...
>
> Within my application, and things like Notepad and Wordpad, the font
> displays all characters, except 0xAD,
> Although, when I just tried to paste the font into MSPaint, to
> generate a graphic file, I found that many of the characters in the
> 0x80 - 0x9F range were unprintable... (which makes sense, since I
> could see the 0x80 - 09F range being a repeat of the 0x00-0x1F)
>

The Unicode character U+00AD is the soft hyphen. It gets special
treatment from applications, being displayed only when needed at the end
of a line.

Again in Unicode, the range U+0080 - U+009F contains only control codes,
not printable characters.

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Problems with characters being unprintable within Windows

2009-11-18T13:55:05Z

Hi,

I am pretty new to using FontForge. I have been trying to convert a BDF font used in one of our products to a TTF.

I have been fairly successful in converting the font, however one character will not print out, that being the one that

is held at 0xAD.

I can see the character through the windows charmap program, however, when trying to select/copy it out I get nothing displayed.

I am assuming that something within windows believes this character to be a control character of some sort, but I have not been

able to confirm this.

The original BDF font defined 159 characters, but defined printable characters within the 0x01 to 0x1F range.

Knowing this would be incompatible with windows, I copied the characters from there and pasted them into the 0xA1 - 0xBF

range.

Within my application, and things like Notepad and Wordpad, the font displays all characters, except 0xAD,

Although, when I just tried to paste the font into MSPaint, to generate a graphic file, I found that many of the characters in the

0x80 - 0x9F range were unprintable... (which makes sense, since I could see the 0x80 - 09F range being a repeat of the 0x00-0x1F)

I am not sure if I am encoding the font wrong (I've tried a few different ones, but I'm not seeing a difference)

I have attached a png file to this email, the left side shows the font as it appears within wordpad, the right side shows what

appears within MSPaint, when pasting the characters from wordpad into paint.

The missing character is between the S and A characters in the second to last line.

If anyone has some suggestions, or pointers to documentation that might help, I would greatly appreciate any assistance.

Thanks!

Al Dorrington

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Re: A script that autohints a font

2009-11-08T15:00:49Z

Ethan Dunham <ethan@...> skribis:
> Thanks Barry, I was using the older, non-python language though. I
> guess I need to learn Python. Is there a command in FontForge's own
> language to do this? Probably not.

The docs say PrivateGuess(key) :)

I'm not too fond of the Blue Values guesser, myself.

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Re: A script that autohints a font

2009-11-08T01:42:32Z

Thanks Barry, I was using the older, non-python language though. I
guess I need to learn Python. Is there a command in FontForge's own
language to do this? Probably not.

Ethan

On Nov 7, 2009, at 10:49 PM, Barry Schwartz wrote:

> Ethan Dunham <ethan@...> skribis:
>> Subject: [Fontforge-users] A script that autohints a font
>> From: Ethan Dunham <ethan@...>
>> Date: Sat, 07 Nov 2009 21:21:01 -0500
>> To: fontforge-users@...
>>
>> I've been trying to develop a script that generates a decent TrueType
>> font from an OTF. Obviously the big issue is hinting. Is there a way
>> to do a "guess" at the Bluevalues within the script?
>
> private.guess(), according to the docs.
>

Re: A script that autohints a font

2009-11-07T19:49:49Z

Ethan Dunham <ethan@...> skribis:
> Subject: [Fontforge-users] A script that autohints a font
> From: Ethan Dunham <ethan@...>
> Date: Sat, 07 Nov 2009 21:21:01 -0500
> To: fontforge-users@...
>
> I've been trying to develop a script that generates a decent TrueType
> font from an OTF. Obviously the big issue is hinting. Is there a way
> to do a "guess" at the Bluevalues within the script?

private.guess(), according to the docs.

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A script that autohints a font

2009-11-07T18:21:01Z

I've been trying to develop a script that generates a decent TrueType
font from an OTF. Obviously the big issue is hinting. Is there a way
to do a "guess" at the Bluevalues within the script?

Right now I have:

SelectHintingNeeded()
SetPref("DetectDiagonalStems",1)
AutoHint()
# Need to do a guess at the Blue Values here
# Then AutoHint() again, right?
AutoInstr()

Any insight would be greatly appreciated. Thanks-

Ethan Dunham

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Numbers on rulers

2009-11-06T09:31:38Z

Is there a way to show numbers on the top ruler--x values--of a glyph window? Or a way to turn the y value ones sideways, and closer to their marks? Or maybe distinguish the marks more?

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caps and x height with script

2009-11-06T06:25:49Z

I am able to get and set values in the OS/2 table with e.g.

SetOS2Value("FSType", 260)

but did not see how to get the cap or X height.

Thanks!

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trying to modify a font

2009-11-05T01:12:11Z

Hello All,
I was trying to modify an existing font (8x13-ISO8859-1.pcf) on my suse 11.1 system with fontforge. After changing the names and the unique ID in the Element-Dialog and creating the .BDF file. I tried to make the font known to the system as follows:
mkfontdir ~/fonts
xset fp+ ~/fonts

cat fonts.dir now gives:
1
SentryFixedMedium-13.bdf -misc-sentryfixed-medium-r-normal--13-90-100-100-c-80-iso8859-1

But, when trying to use it, e.g. with xfontsel or xterm, they crash with:
X Error of failed request: BadAlloc (insufficient resources for operation)
Major opcode of failed request: 45 (X_OpenFont)
Serial number of failed request: 3964
Current serial number in output stream: 3965

One time it worked after I ran SuSeconfig and several reboots (don't know if this was really the cause). But now after the next modifications I am back to the above error message.

What can I do to diagnose the problem better, or get rid of it??

Regards,
Til

Re: three problems

2009-11-04T08:32:22Z

Barry Schwartz:
> Is your FreeType using autohinting or TrueType instructions?
>
> (Looking good in Windows can be difficult.)

"Larson, Timothy E." <TELarson@...>:
> Autohinting. I don't know anything about TT instructions, so I've left that alone.

FF's autohinter seems to work pretty well these days, if the
PostScript hinting is set well enough. I don't know much about
TrueType hinting, either. Leaving out hints works well in some
applications; I never use hints in GIMP, for instance.

Windows (at least pre-Vista) tries to do what I would call turning
outline fonts into pixel fonts. When this works, the writing is more
legible, at the expense of the shape of the glyph. There is a free
package for using freetype instead of ClearType to render fonts in
Windows, but it is in Japanese so I can't understand half of it:
http://www.aqua-soft.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=50374

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Re: three problems

2009-11-04T06:34:01Z

Barry Schwartz:
> Is your FreeType using autohinting or TrueType instructions?
>
> (Looking good in Windows can be difficult.)

Autohinting. I don't know anything about TT instructions, so I've left that alone.

Tim

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Re: three problems

2009-11-04T06:32:05Z

Qianqian Fang:

> Larson, Timothy E. wrote:
> > 1. My font looks pretty good in FF on my Linux development system.
> When I generate the font and use it on Mac or Windows, it looks bad at
> typical (10-24 pt) sizes. Very bad. The characters look like there's
> no antialiasing, and as I've not done any bitmaps for those sizes the
> default rasterization looks awful. Is this simply the difference
> between Freetype and those proprietary systems? How can I overcome
> this?
> >
> sounds like a GASP table problem. Set it from fontforge menu
> Element\Font Info\Grid fitting
> you can find related documents from
> http://fontforge.sourceforge.net/TrueOpenTables.html

So you suggest it is better not to use the autohinter, to force anti-aliasing? I will try that!

And FWIW, it's better on Mac than Windows, just not as good as other fonts.

> it is very likely your Hebrew glyphs does not cover the entire code
> page. You can manually set your Charset from Element\Font
> Info\OS/2\Charsets

You were correct. The only Hebrew character I have is aleph, and the default MS Code Page was Hebrew. I changed it to 1252 Latin-1.

Thank you very much,
Tim

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