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For Approval: Common Precertification Development and Distribution LicenseTo the license-discuss list:
We would like to propose a new Open Source license called the Common Precertification Development and Distribution License ("CPDDL") for certification. It is based on the Common Development and Distribution License ("CDDL") of which Sun Microsystems is the license steward. It is our hope that the CPDDL will encourage the development of Open Source software useful in commercial applications, even in highly regulated or sophisticated industries such as gaming, finance, or equipment control systems development, especially for software which is destined for eventual certification by independent certification or licensing authorities. Currently, implementing standards and protocols, especially new and advanced protocols, under Open Source terms is very difficult to do in some industries, especially highly regulated ones. This is because there is little incentive to participate or to allow employees to participate in Open Source development projects which are perceived to grant competitive advantages to competitors, especially in industries where involved certification proceedings are the norm. If an Open Source-derived piece of software obtains certification, a competitor could then incorporate it into their own products and, depending on the industry, either immediately reap the benefit of the certification or obtain a high degree of confidence that the product would be certified with little or no resistance. In order to provide incentives for such development either by commercial entities or by the employees of such entities with their approval and consent, the CPDDL provides that commercial usage rights for software developed under its terms are limited to active contributors during the development process and for a limited time thereafter. Non-commercial use is allowed under very broad terms at all times. The changes to the CDDL all relate to this goal and incentive concept: Commercial Use is defined and restricted during development to active contributors, active contribution is defined, and the terms under which covered software may be certified and thereafter be covered by a less restrictive Open Source licensing agreement (the GNU Lesser Public License) are set forth. Covered Software (software developed under the CPDDL) may be used at any time in combination with other Open Source software under any license which does not directly conflict with its terms. We are not aware of any license which is entirely incompatible with the CPDDL, although any license which claims to grant unrestricted Commercial Use rights to Covered Software which has not yet been certified would create a conflict. In such a case, the terms of the CPDDL are quite clear in that Commercial Use rights are not the contributor's to give and therefore any attempt to incorporate Covered Software into a broader and less restricted license would fail. The terms of the CPDDL would take precedence for derivative or combined works with regard to Commercial Use during the restriction period. After the restriction period, the extremely broad terms of the GNU Lesser Public License would apply. To our knowledge, such a combination of temporary restriction and license-term shifting has not been incorporated into an Open Source license before. We are aware that this is a departure from customary Open Source licensing techniques, and we ask that you consider our goals and our attempt to attain them while maintaining the spirit of Open Source in a highly regulated, highly competitive environment with open minds. We are prepared to defend our aim, but we are also prepared to accept comment, criticism, and sincere attempts to improve our method of achieving it. We welcome, and would be grateful for, your input. You will find the CPDDL attached to this message as a plain-text file. Anyone who would like a Word, HTML or PDF version of the document is invited to email me directly and I will be glad to forward one. Thank you for your attention. Very truly yours, Marc Whipple -><- Marc Whipple General Counsel Incredible Technologies, Inc. 3333 North Kennicott Avenue Arlington Heights, IL 60004 V: 847-870-7027 F: 847-870-0120 (Please advise before transmitting sensitive documents.) The contents of this message are (C) Incredible Technologies, Inc. and are confidential unless otherwise indicated. All content may be subject to confidentiality agreements, trade secret laws, the attorney/client privilege, and/or the US Economic Espionage Act. All rights reserved: do not copy or distribute without permission. COMMON PRECERTIFICATION DEVELOPMENT AND DISTRIBUTION LICENSE (CPDDL) Version 1.0 * 1. Definitions. o 1.1 Commercial Use means a use of Covered Software in a product offered for sale, lease, or otherwise for compensation, including uses where Covered Software is not itself exchanged for compensation but services related to Covered Software, including but not limited to support, warranty, indemnity, analysis of output, or any other commercial activity related to the use of Covered Software, are exchanged for compensation. The solicitation or acceptance of donations per se does not create a Commercial Use, but if donations or any other form of compensation are required to unlock features or otherwise enhance the functionality of Covered Software, a Commercial Use has been made. o 1.2. Contributor means each individual or entity that creates or contributes to the creation of Modifications. o 1.3. Contributor Version means the combination of the Original Software, prior Modifications used by a Contributor (if any), and the Modifications made by that particular Contributor. o 1.4. Covered Software means (a) the Original Software, or (b) Modifications, or (c) the combination of files containing Original Software with files containing Modifications, in each case including portions thereof. o 1.5. Executable means the Covered Software in any form other than Source Code. o 1.6. Initial Developer means the individual or entity that first makes Original Software available under this License. o 1.7. Larger Work means a work which combines Covered Software or portions thereof with code not governed by the terms of this License. o 1.8 Library means a central means of collecting Source Code as well as communications relating thereto which is accessible by Contributors and to the public at large as required to participate in Modifications. o 1.9 Library Monitor means a person, persons, or entity, or any combination thereof, who reviews Modifications for minimum standards of functionality and compliance with generally accepted programming principles before they are added to the Library. The Initial Developer will typically be the first Library Monitor.. o 1.10. License means this document. o 1.11. Licensable means having the right to grant, to the maximum extent possible, whether at the time of the initial grant or subsequently acquired, any and all of the rights conveyed herein. o 1.12. Modifications means the Source Code and Executable form of any of the following: ? A. Any file that results from an addition to, deletion from or modification of the contents of a file containing Original Software or previous Modifications; ? B. Any new file that contains any part of the Original Software or previous Modification; or ? C. Any new file that is contributed or otherwise made available under the terms of this License. o 1.13. Original Software means the Source Code and Executable form of computer software code that is originally released under this License. o 1.14. Patent Claims means any patent claim(s), now owned or hereafter acquired, including without limitation, method, process, and apparatus claims, in any patent Licensable by grantor. o 1.15. Source Code means (a) the common form of computer software code in which modifications are made and (b) associated documentation included in or with such code. o 1.16. You (or Your) means an individual or a legal entity exercising rights under, and complying with all of the terms of, this License. For legal entities, You includes any entity which controls, is controlled by, or is under common control with You. For purposes of this definition, control means (a) the power, direct or indirect, to cause the direction or management of such entity, whether by contract or otherwise, or (b) ownership of more than fifty percent (50%) of the outstanding shares or beneficial ownership of such entity. * 2. License Grants. o 2.1. The Initial Developer Grant. Conditioned upon Your compliance with Section 3.1 below and subject to third party intellectual property claims, the Initial Developer hereby grants You a world-wide, royalty-free, non-exclusive license: ? (a) under intellectual property rights (other than patent or trademark) Licensable by Initial Developer, to use, reproduce, modify, display, perform, sublicense and distribute the Original Software (or portions thereof), as voluntarily submitted to a publicly-accessible Library, with or without Modifications, and/or as part of a Larger Work other than in Commercial Use; and ? (b) under Patent Claims infringed by the making or using of Original Software, to make, have made, use, practice, and otherwise utilize, other than in Commercial Use, the Original Software (or portions thereof). ? (c) The licenses granted in Sections 2.1(a) and (b) are effective on the date Initial Developer first distributes or otherwise makes the Original Software available to a third party under the terms of this License. ? (d) Notwithstanding Section 2.1(b) above, no patent license is granted: (1) for code that You delete from the Original Software, or (2) for infringements caused by: (i) the modification of the Original Software, or (ii) the combination of the Original Software with other software or devices. ? (e) The license granted under this Section shall not allow any Commercial Use of the Original Software, or portions thereof, other than by a Contributor who has submitted at least one (1) Modification which has been accepted by an authorized Source Code Library Monitor. Any Contributor who has submitted at least one (1) Modification which has been accepted by an authorized Source Code Library Monitor may use the Original Software, or portions thereof, in Commercial Use subject to the other terms of this License. o 2.2. Contributor Grant. Conditioned upon Your compliance with Section 3.1 below and subject to third party intellectual property claims, each Contributor hereby grants You a world- wide, royalty-free, non-exclusive license: ? (a) under intellectual property rights (other than patent or trademark) Licensable by Contributor to use, reproduce, modify, display, perform, sublicense and distribute the Modifications created by such Contributor (or portions thereof) as voluntarily submitted to a publicly-accessible Library, either on an unmodified basis, with other Modifications, as Covered Software and/or as part of a Larger Work; and ? (b) under Patent Claims infringed by the making, using, or selling of Modifications made by that Contributor either alone and/or in combination with its Contributor Version (or portions of such combination), to make, use, have made, and/or otherwise dispose of other than in Commercial Use: (1) Modifications made by that Contributor (or portions thereof); and (2) the combination of Modifications made by that Contributor with its Contributor Version (or portions of such combination). ? (c) The licenses granted in Sections 2.2(a) and 2.2(b) are effective on the date Contributor first distributes or otherwise makes the Modifications available to a third party. ? (d) Notwithstanding Section 2.2(b) above, no patent license is granted: (1) for any code that Contributor has deleted from the Contributor Version; (2) for infringements caused by: (i) third party modifications of Contributor Version, or (ii) the combination of Modifications made by that Contributor with other software (except as part of the Contributor Version) or other devices; or (3) under Patent Claims infringed by Covered Software in the absence of Modifications made by that Contributor. ? (e) The license granted under this Section shall not allow any Commercial Use of any Contributor Version, or portions thereof, other than by a Contributor who has submitted at least one (1) Modification which has been accepted by an authorized Source Code Library Monitor at the Library to which the Original Software was voluntarily submitted. Any Contributor who has submitted at least one (1) Modification which has been accepted by an authorized Source Code Library Monitor at such original Library may use a Contributor Version, or portions thereof, in Commercial Use subject to the other terms of this License. * 3. Distribution Obligations. o 3.1. Availability of Source Code. Any Covered Software that You distribute or otherwise make available in Executable form must also be made available in Source Code form and that Source Code form must be distributed only under the terms of this License. You must include a copy of this License with every copy of the Source Code form of the Covered Software You distribute or otherwise make available. You must inform recipients of any such Covered Software in Executable form as to how they can obtain such Covered Software in Source Code form in a reasonable manner on or through a medium customarily used for software exchange. o 3.2. Modifications. The Modifications that You create or to which You contribute are governed by the terms of this License. You represent that You believe Your Modifications are Your original creation(s) and/or You have sufficient rights to grant the rights conveyed by this License. o 3.3. Required Notices. You must include a notice in each of Your Modifications that identifies You as the Contributor of the Modification. You may not remove or alter any copyright, patent or trademark notices contained within the Covered Software, or any notices of licensing or any descriptive text giving attribution to any Contributor or the Initial Developer. o 3.4. Application of Additional Terms. You may not offer or impose any terms on any Covered Software in Source Code form that alters or restricts the applicable version of this License or the recipients rights hereunder. You may choose to offer, and to charge a fee for, warranty, support, indemnity or liability obligations to one or more recipients of Covered Software. However, you may do so only on Your own behalf, and not on behalf of the Initial Developer or any Contributor. You must make it absolutely clear that any such warranty, support, indemnity or liability obligation is offered by You alone, and You hereby agree to indemnify the Initial Developer and every Contributor for any liability incurred by the Initial Developer or such Contributor as a result of warranty, support, indemnity or liability terms You offer. o 3.5. Distribution of Executable Versions. You may distribute the Executable form of the Covered Software under the terms of this License or under the terms of a license of Your choice, which may contain terms different from this License, provided that You are in compliance with the terms of this License and that the license for the Executable form does not attempt to limit or alter the recipients rights in the Source Code form from the rights set forth in this License, and further provided that the Executable version is not used in Commercial Use unless You are a Contributor who has submitted at least one (1) approved Modification to the Library where the Original Software was originally submitted by the Initial Developer. If You distribute the Covered Software in Executable form under a different license, You must make it absolutely clear that any terms which differ from this License are offered by You alone, not by the Initial Developer or Contributor. You hereby agree to indemnify the Initial Developer and every Contributor for any liability incurred by the Initial Developer or such Contributor as a result of any such terms You offer. o 3.6. Larger Works. You may create a Larger Work by combining Covered Software with other code not governed by the terms of this License and distribute the Larger Work as a single product. In such a case, You must make sure the requirements of this License are fulfilled for the Covered Software, including that such Larger Work is not used in Commercial Use unless You would be eligible to use Covered Software for Commercial Use under the terms of this License. * 4. Versions of the License. o 4.1. New Versions. Incredible Technologies, Inc. is the initial license steward and may publish revised and/or new versions of this License from time to time. Each version will be given a distinguishing version number. Except as provided in Section 4.3, no one other than the license steward has the right to modify this License. o 4.2. Effect of New Versions. You may always continue to use, distribute or otherwise make the Covered Software available under the terms of the version of the License under which You originally received the Covered Software. If the Initial Developer includes a notice in the Original Software prohibiting it from being distributed or otherwise made available under any subsequent version of the License, You must distribute and make the Covered Software available under the terms of the version of the License under which You originally received the Covered Software. Otherwise, You may also choose to use, distribute or otherwise make the Covered Software available under the terms of any subsequent version of the License published by the license steward. o 4.3. Modified Versions. When You are an Initial Developer and You want to create a new license for Your Original Software, You may create and use a modified version of this License if You: (a) rename the license and remove any references to the name of the license steward (except to note that the license differs from this License); and (b) otherwise make it clear that the license contains terms which differ from this License. 4.4 Difference from Common Development and Distribution License (CDDL) This License is based on the Common Development and Distribution License (CDDL,) for which Sun Microsystems, Inc., was the license steward at the time of its creation. It contains materially different terms from the CDDL and potential licensees and licensors should review it carefully before making use of it. * 5. DISCLAIMER OF WARRANTY. COVERED SOFTWARE IS PROVIDED UNDER THIS LICENSE ON AN AS IS BASIS, WITHOUT WARRANTY OF ANY KIND, EITHER EXPRESSED OR IMPLIED, INCLUDING, WITHOUT LIMITATION, WARRANTIES THAT THE COVERED SOFTWARE IS FREE OF DEFECTS, MERCHANTABLE, FIT FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE OR NON-INFRINGING. THE ENTIRE RISK AS TO THE QUALITY AND PERFORMANCE OF THE COVERED SOFTWARE IS WITH YOU. SHOULD ANY COVERED SOFTWARE PROVE DEFECTIVE IN ANY RESPECT, YOU (NOT THE INITIAL DEVELOPER OR ANY OTHER CONTRIBUTOR) ASSUME THE COST OF ANY NECESSARY SERVICING, REPAIR OR CORRECTION. THIS DISCLAIMER OF WARRANTY CONSTITUTES AN ESSENTIAL PART OF THIS LICENSE. NO USE OF ANY COVERED SOFTWARE IS AUTHORIZED HEREUNDER EXCEPT UNDER THIS DISCLAIMER. * 6. TERMINATION. o 6.1. This License and the rights granted hereunder will terminate automatically if You fail to comply with terms herein and fail to cure such breach within 30 days of becoming aware of the breach. Provisions which, by their nature, must remain in effect beyond the termination of this License shall survive. o 6.2. If You assert a patent infringement claim (excluding declaratory judgment actions) against Initial Developer or a Contributor (the Initial Developer or Contributor against whom You assert such claim is referred to as Participant) alleging that the Participant Software (meaning the Contributor Version where the Participant is a Contributor or the Original Software where the Participant is the Initial Developer) directly or indirectly infringes any patent, then any and all rights granted directly or indirectly to You by such Participant, the Initial Developer (if the Initial Developer is not the Participant) and all Contributors under Sections 2.1 and/or 2.2 of this License shall, upon 60 days notice from Participant terminate prospectively and automatically at the expiration of such 60 day notice period, unless if within such 60 day period You withdraw Your claim with respect to the Participant Software against such Participant either unilaterally or pursuant to a written agreement with Participant. o 6.3. In the event of termination under Sections 6.1 or 6.2 above, all end user licenses that have been validly granted by You or any distributor hereunder prior to termination (excluding licenses granted to You by any distributor) shall survive termination. o 6.4 When any Covered Software, or a Larger Work containing Covered Software, shall be certified as fully compliant with a defined and relevant industry standard by an appropriate independent certification authority, one hundred and eighty (180) days later, the terms of this license shall cease to apply to such certified Covered Software as certified or as incorporated into a certified Larger Work in favor of the terms of the GNU Lesser General Public License as it was posted on the Open Source Institute website on the date of certification. If the terms of the GNU Lesser General Public License could not be determined on the date of certification, the terms of this license shall continue to apply. Self-certification procedures, even if otherwise acceptable by independent certification authorities, shall not be sufficient to cause this paragraph to operate. Only a certification procedure which requires independent review and positive indication of full certification by an independent certification authority shall suffice. Either the Initial Developer or a Contributor, or both, can submit Larger Works containing Covered Software for certification at any time. Both the Initial Developer and all Contributors accept an active obligation to notify the Initial Developer and all Contributors by a reasonable means, including but not limited to a message posted on the forum where development of Covered Software is discussed, that Covered Software or Larger Works containing Covered Software have been submitted for certification and also to notify the same parties by the same means when Covered Software or Larger Works containing Covered Software have been certified. o 6.5 If You, or any person or entity acting under your control, authorization, or actual or implied license, uses Covered Software, either as submitted to the Library where the Original Software was originally submitted by the Initial Developer or as later modified by You and/or a Contributor, in Commercial Use when You or such person or entity are not otherwise eligible to do so under the terms of this License, this License and the rights granted hereunder shall immediately terminate. * 7. LIMITATION OF LIABILITY. UNDER NO CIRCUMSTANCES AND UNDER NO LEGAL THEORY, WHETHER TORT (INCLUDING NEGLIGENCE), CONTRACT, OR OTHERWISE, SHALL YOU, THE INITIAL DEVELOPER, ANY OTHER CONTRIBUTOR, OR ANY DISTRIBUTOR OF COVERED SOFTWARE, OR ANY SUPPLIER OF ANY OF SUCH PARTIES, BE LIABLE TO ANY PERSON FOR ANY INDIRECT, SPECIAL, INCIDENTAL, OR CONSEQUENTIAL DAMAGES OF ANY CHARACTER INCLUDING, WITHOUT LIMITATION, DAMAGES FOR LOST PROFITS, LOSS OF GOODWILL, WORK STOPPAGE, COMPUTER FAILURE OR MALFUNCTION, OR ANY AND ALL OTHER COMMERCIAL DAMAGES OR LOSSES, EVEN IF SUCH PARTY SHALL HAVE BEEN INFORMED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF SUCH DAMAGES. THIS LIMITATION OF LIABILITY SHALL NOT APPLY TO LIABILITY FOR DEATH OR PERSONAL INJURY RESULTING FROM SUCH PARTYS NEGLIGENCE TO THE EXTENT APPLICABLE LAW PROHIBITS SUCH LIMITATION. SOME JURISDICTIONS DO NOT ALLOW THE EXCLUSION OR LIMITATION OF INCIDENTAL OR CONSEQUENTIAL DAMAGES, SO THIS EXCLUSION AND LIMITATION MAY NOT APPLY TO YOU. * 8. U.S. GOVERNMENT END USERS. The Covered Software is a commercial item, as that term is defined in 48 C.F.R. 2.101 (Oct. 1995), consisting of commercial computer software (as that term is defined at 48 C.F.R. 252.227-7014(a)(1)) and commercial computer software documentation as such terms are used in 48 C.F.R. 12.212 (Sept. 1995). Consistent with 48 C.F.R. 12.212 and 48 C.F.R. 227.7202-1 through 227.7202-4 (June 1995), all U.S. Government End Users acquire Covered Software with only those rights set forth herein. This U.S. Government Rights clause is in lieu of, and supersedes, any other FAR, DFAR, or other clause or provision that addresses Government rights in computer software under this License. * 9. MISCELLANEOUS. This License represents the complete agreement concerning subject matter hereof. If any provision of this License is held to be unenforceable, such provision shall be reformed only to the extent necessary to make it enforceable. This License shall be governed by the law of the jurisdiction specified in a notice contained within the Original Software (except to the extent applicable law, if any, provides otherwise), excluding such jurisdictions conflict-of-law provisions. Any litigation relating to this License shall be subject to the jurisdiction of the courts located in the jurisdiction and venue specified in a notice contained within the Original Software, with the losing party responsible for costs, including, without limitation, court costs and reasonable attorneys fees and expenses. The application of the United Nations Convention on Contracts for the International Sale of Goods is expressly excluded. Any law or regulation which provides that the language of a contract shall be construed against the drafter shall not apply to this License. You agree that You alone are responsible for compliance with the United States export administration regulations (and the export control laws and regulation of any other countries) when You use, distribute or otherwise make available any Covered Software. * 10. RESPONSIBILITY FOR CLAIMS. As between Initial Developer and the Contributors, each party is responsible for claims and damages arising, directly or indirectly, out of its utilization of rights under this License and You agree to work with Initial Developer and Contributors to distribute such responsibility on an equitable basis. Nothing herein is intended or shall be deemed to constitute any admission of liability. |
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Re: For Approval: Common Precertification Development and Distribution LicenseMarc Whipple wrote:
> To the license-discuss list: > > This is because there is little incentive to participate or to allow employees to participate in Open Source development projects which are > perceived to grant competitive advantages to competitors, especially in industries where involved certification proceedings are the norm. If > an Open Source-derived piece of software obtains certification, a competitor could then incorporate it into their own products and, > depending on the industry, either immediately reap the benefit of the certification or obtain a high degree of confidence that the product > would be certified with little or no resistance. I'm not familiar with these types of industries. However, aren't these certifications generally expensive and time-consuming? Also, it was my impression that they become invalid after slight modifications. I don't think it would be effective for a redistributor to reapply for certification. In fact, this seems like an inherent advantage for the initial developer. > In order to provide incentives for such development either by commercial entities or by the employees of such entities with their approval > and consent, the CPDDL provides that commercial usage rights for software developed under its terms are limited Really, that breaks it right there, in my opinion. OSD #1 says, "The license shall not restrict *any party* from *selling* or giving away the software". Limitations just aren't okay here, even for limited times. to active contributors > during the development process and for a limited time thereafter. It appears that this limited time can only end (180 days) after certification. That means a developer could create software that isn't certifiable, and it would permanently be non-commercial. Thus, even if a limited non-commercial period were acceptable, this could end up being permanent. > The changes to the CDDL all relate to this goal and incentive concept: Commercial Use is defined and restricted during development to active > contributors This is a violation of OSD #5, "The license must not discriminate against any person or group of persons." > We are not aware of any license which is entirely incompatible with the CPDDL, although any license which claims to grant unrestricted > Commercial Use rights to Covered Software which has not yet been certified would create a conflict. Of course, all OSI-approved licenses do grant these unrestricted rights. > We are aware that this is a departure from customary Open Source licensing techniques, and we ask that you consider our goals and our attempt > to attain them while maintaining the spirit of Open Source in a highly regulated, highly competitive environment with open minds. This isn't a departure from customary technique. It's abandoning a core requirement of the free/open source ethos, and it just can't work. The license you want is not open source. Best, Matthew Flaschen |
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Re: For Approval: Common Precertification Development and Distribution LicenseOn Mar 7, 2007, at 10:37 AM, Marc Whipple wrote:
> We would like to propose a new Open Source license called the > Common Precertification Development and Distribution License > ("CPDDL") for certification. It is based on the Common Development > and Distribution License ("CDDL") of which Sun Microsystems is the > license steward. [ ... ] > In order to provide incentives for such development either by > commercial entities or by the employees of such entities with their > approval and consent, the CPDDL provides that commercial usage > rights for software developed under its terms are limited to active > contributors during the development process and for a limited time > thereafter. Thanks for the submission, and I hope we can provide feedback which will help you obtain your goals while still using an Open Source license, but restricting commercial reuse is a non-starter. See OSD #1, #5, & #6; your CPDDL clause 2.1e violates them: > ? (e) The license granted under this Section shall not allow any > Commercial > Use of the Original Software, or portions thereof, other than by a > Contributor who has submitted at least one (1) Modification which has > been accepted by an authorized Source Code Library Monitor. Any > Contributor who has submitted at least one (1) Modification which has > been accepted by an authorized Source Code Library Monitor may use the > Original Software, or portions thereof, in Commercial Use subject > to the > other terms of this License. If the software is open source, it must permit people to use, change, and modify the software for both commercial and non-commercial purposes. [ ... ] > To our knowledge, such a combination of temporary restriction and > license-term shifting has not been incorporated into an Open Source > license before. We are aware that this is a departure from > customary Open Source licensing techniques, and we ask that you > consider our goals and our attempt to attain them while maintaining > the spirit of Open Source in a highly regulated, highly competitive > environment with open minds. We are prepared to defend our aim, but > we are also prepared to accept comment, criticism, and sincere > attempts to improve our method of achieving it. We welcome, and > would be grateful for, your input. I proposed such a license back in 2003: http://www.pkix.net/~chuck/Licenses/ENRL.html ...and the OSI board's feedback was that this is not an Open-Source license as it stands, but would become OSD-compliant after the restriction period had expired. I believe the same would apply to the CPDDL. -- -Chuck |
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RE: For Approval: Common Precertification Development and Distribution LicenseMarc Whipple wrote:
> To our knowledge, such a combination of temporary restriction and license- > term shifting has not been incorporated into an Open Source license > before. There's very little new under the sun. (And I don't mean the company!) Your business model is like that used by Aladdin (now Artifex Software) to distribute Ghostscript. For a period of time, typically a year, Ghostscript software is distributed under a non-open source license not for commercial use. [See the Aladdin Free Public License, http://www.cs.wisc.edu/~ghost/doc/cvs/Public.htm.] Commercial licenses are also available to the company's customers during that period for a fee. None of these licenses qualifies for OSI approval. A year later the company elects to distribute the same software under the GPL. This model builds a successful business upon that one-year time-period commercial advantage. That's not contrary to open source, but it isn't open source. I call it "Eventual Source" in chapter 11 of my book, available for free at http://rosenlaw.com/oslbook.htm. A slight bit of history: Peter Deutsch, the author of Ghostscript and of the Aladdin Free Public License, is a good friend who originally introduced me to open source. He was on the original board of directors of OSI. He knew Richard Stallman well, and RMS was (I believe) sympathetic to Peter's not-quite-free-software license and business strategy. While some of us might wish that all software was open source from birth, others of us are tolerant of a time-based commercial advantage that rewards innovation and promises eventual freedom. /Larry Rosen > -----Original Message----- > From: Marc Whipple [mailto:MWhipple@...] > Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2007 10:37 AM > To: license-discuss@... > Subject: For Approval: Common Precertification Development and > Distribution License > > To the license-discuss list: > > We would like to propose a new Open Source license called the Common > Precertification Development and Distribution License ("CPDDL") for > certification. It is based on the Common Development and Distribution > License ("CDDL") of which Sun Microsystems is the license steward. It is > our hope that the CPDDL will encourage the development of Open Source > software useful in commercial applications, even in highly regulated or > sophisticated industries such as gaming, finance, or equipment control > systems development, especially for software which is destined for > eventual certification by independent certification or licensing > authorities. Currently, implementing standards and protocols, especially > new and advanced protocols, under Open Source terms is very difficult to > do in some industries, especially highly regulated ones. This is because > there is little incentive to participate or to allow employees to > participate in Open Source development projects which are perceived to > grant competitive advantages to competitors, especially in industries > where involved certification proceedings are the norm. If an Open Source- > derived piece of software obtains certification, a competitor could then > incorporate it into their own products and, depending on the industry, > either immediately reap the benefit of the certification or obtain a high > degree of confidence that the product would be certified with little or no > resistance. > > In order to provide incentives for such development either by commercial > entities or by the employees of such entities with their approval and > consent, the CPDDL provides that commercial usage rights for software > developed under its terms are limited to active contributors during the > development process and for a limited time thereafter. Non-commercial use > is allowed under very broad terms at all times. The changes to the CDDL > all relate to this goal and incentive concept: Commercial Use is defined > and restricted during development to active contributors, active > contribution is defined, and the terms under which covered software may be > certified and thereafter be covered by a less restrictive Open Source > licensing agreement (the GNU Lesser Public License) are set forth. > > Covered Software (software developed under the CPDDL) may be used at any > time in combination with other Open Source software under any license > which does not directly conflict with its terms. We are not aware of any > license which is entirely incompatible with the CPDDL, although any > license which claims to grant unrestricted Commercial Use rights to > Covered Software which has not yet been certified would create a conflict. > In such a case, the terms of the CPDDL are quite clear in that Commercial > Use rights are not the contributor's to give and therefore any attempt to > incorporate Covered Software into a broader and less restricted license > would fail. The terms of the CPDDL would take precedence for derivative or > combined works with regard to Commercial Use during the restriction > period. After the restriction period, the extremely broad terms of the GNU > Lesser Public License would apply. > > To our knowledge, such a combination of temporary restriction and license- > term shifting has not been incorporated into an Open Source license > before. We are aware that this is a departure from customary Open Source > licensing techniques, and we ask that you consider our goals and our > attempt to attain them while maintaining the spirit of Open Source in a > highly regulated, highly competitive environment with open minds. We are > prepared to defend our aim, but we are also prepared to accept comment, > criticism, and sincere attempts to improve our method of achieving it. We > welcome, and would be grateful for, your input. > > You will find the CPDDL attached to this message as a plain-text file. > Anyone who would like a Word, HTML or PDF version of the document is > invited to email me directly and I will be glad to forward one. Thank you > for your attention. > > Very truly yours, > > Marc Whipple > > -><- > > Marc Whipple > General Counsel > Incredible Technologies, Inc. > 3333 North Kennicott Avenue > Arlington Heights, IL 60004 > V: 847-870-7027 > F: 847-870-0120 (Please advise before transmitting sensitive documents.) > > The contents of this message are (C) Incredible Technologies, Inc. and are > confidential unless otherwise indicated. All content may be subject to > confidentiality agreements, trade secret laws, the attorney/client > privilege, and/or the US Economic Espionage Act. All rights reserved: do > not copy or distribute without permission. |
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RE: For Approval: Common Precertification Development and Distribution License-----Original Message----- From: Matthew Flaschen [mailto:matthew.flaschen@...] Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2007 1:15 PM To: License Discuss Subject: Re: For Approval: Common Precertification Development and Distribution License Marc Whipple wrote: >> To the license-discuss list: >> This is because there is little incentive to participate or to allow employees to participate in Open Source development projects which are >> perceived to grant competitive advantages to competitors, especially in industries where involved certification proceedings are the norm. If >> an Open Source-derived piece of software obtains certification, a competitor could then incorporate it into their own products and, >> depending on the industry, either immediately reap the benefit of the certification or obtain a high degree of confidence that the product >> would be certified with little or no resistance. >I'm not familiar with these types of industries. However, aren't these certifications generally expensive and time-consuming? [Marc Whipple] That is a fair general statement. >Also, it was my impression that they become invalid after slight modifications. I don't think it would be effective for a redistributor to reapply for certification. In fact, this seems like an inherent advantage for the initial developer. [Marc Whipple] That is a valid concern. However, in, for instance, the gaming industry, every *product* must be certified by a licensing authority (usually by submitting it to an authorized testing laboratory designated by each jurisdiction,) even products which are mostly comprised of previously certified material. There's no way around that requirement. Active Contributors to the development process will all have equal access to the project and can submit for certification at any time, including contemporaneously with other certification submissions. There is no competitive advantage for either the Initial Developer or Contributors. In fact, the Initial Developer, assuming it has submitted anything like a useful starting point, is assuming a huge competitive risk that later Contributors will submit one or two extremely minor Modifications and then use their access to catch up with or leapfrog the Initial Developer's progress. >> In order to provide incentives for such development either by commercial entities or by the employees of such entities with their approval >> and consent, the CPDDL provides that commercial usage rights for software developed under its terms are limited >Really, that breaks it right there, in my opinion. OSD #1 says, "The license shall not restrict *any party* from *selling* or giving away the software". Limitations just aren't okay here, even for limited times. [Marc Whipple] I see your point. As I read OSD#1, my interpretation was that it could be read to allow a temporary restriction for non-fee-related purposes. (It specifies that fees cannot be charged.) If my reading was too narrow, then it was. Another list member (thank you, Mr. Swiger) has pointed out that he submitted a similar license some years ago and it was denied certification on this ground. If the territory has been covered, then it has, and I am certainly not going to try to reverse something that has been firmly established without more justification than, "If you don't do this, then we can't do an Open Source project in our industry because no one will participate." It is sad but true that not all applications will at this time support an Open Source approach. >> to active contributors >> during the development process and for a limited time thereafter. >It appears that this limited time can only end (180 days) after certification. That means a developer could create software that isn't certifiable, and it would permanently be non-commercial. Thus, even if a limited non-commercial period were acceptable, this could end up being permanent. [Marc Whipple] I won't deny that this is possible. As I pointed out, it is anticipated that the CPDDL will be used with software destined for certification. In some industries, non-certified software can't be used at all, and furthermore, any Contributor can submit a Modified Version for certification at any time, even if the Initial Developer or other Contributors don't want them to. The actual likelihood of non-certification being used as a tactical technique is vanishingly small, in my opinion. >> The changes to the CDDL all relate to this goal and incentive concept: Commercial Use is defined and restricted during development to active >> contributors >This is a violation of OSD #5, "The license must not discriminate against any person or group of persons." [Marc Whipple] I submit that reading this limitation as a discrimination is too broad an application of the term. All licenses discriminate against persons or entities which violate their terms, at the very least by revoking some or all of the license rights. >> We are not aware of any license which is entirely incompatible with the CPDDL, although any license which claims to grant unrestricted >> Commercial Use rights to Covered Software which has not yet been certified would create a conflict. >Of course, all OSI-approved licenses do grant these unrestricted rights. [Marc Whipple] Do all OSI-approved licenses grant rights to, for instance, misappropriated software integrated into a contribution? I don't think they do, or could. My argument is simply that offering those rights which one does not yet have under the terms of another license doesn't grant the offer legitimacy. >> We are aware that this is a departure from customary Open Source licensing techniques, and we ask that you consider our goals and our attempt > to attain them while maintaining the spirit of Open Source in a highly regulated, highly competitive environment with open minds. >This isn't a departure from customary technique. It's abandoning a core requirement of the free/open source ethos, and it just can't work. >The license you want is not open source. [Marc Whipple] If it isn't, then it isn't, and I thank you for your time and effort in addressing the situation. I hope that you and other readers accept the fact that we really do want to do things right, and if we can't make it work, at least we made the effort. Very truly yours, Marc Whipple |
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RE: For Approval: Common Precertification Development and Distribution License-----Original Message----- From: Chuck Swiger [mailto:chuck@...] Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2007 1:25 PM To: Marc Whipple Cc: license-discuss@... Subject: Re: For Approval: Common Precertification Development and Distribution License On Mar 7, 2007, at 10:37 AM, Marc Whipple wrote: >> We would like to propose a new Open Source license called the >> Common Precertification Development and Distribution License >> ("CPDDL") for certification. It is based on the Common Development >> and Distribution License ("CDDL") of which Sun Microsystems is the >> license steward. [ ... ] >> In order to provide incentives for such development either by >> commercial entities or by the employees of such entities with their >> approval and consent, the CPDDL provides that commercial usage >> rights for software developed under its terms are limited to active >> contributors during the development process and for a limited time >> thereafter. >Thanks for the submission, and I hope we can provide feedback which will help you obtain your goals while still using an Open Source license, but restricting commercial reuse is a non-starter ... >I proposed such a license back in 2003: http://www.pkix.net/~chuck/Licenses/ENRL.html >...and the OSI board's feedback was that this is not an Open-Source license as it stands, but would become OSD-compliant after the restriction period had expired. I believe the same would apply to the CPDDL. [Marc Whipple] Thank you for your input. As I pointed out in a prior message, if it won't work, it won't, and at least we tried. I appreciate the time and patience of the list members. Very truly yours, Marc Whipple |
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RE: For Approval: Common Precertification Development and Distribution License-----Original Message----- From: Lawrence Rosen [mailto:lrosen@...] Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2007 1:39 PM To: Marc Whipple; license-discuss@... Subject: RE: For Approval: Common Precertification Development and Distribution License Marc Whipple wrote: >> To our knowledge, such a combination of temporary restriction and license- >> term shifting has not been incorporated into an Open Source license >> before. >There's very little new under the sun. (And I don't mean the company!) >Your business model is like that used by Aladdin... [Marc Whipple] Thank you. While I like to consider myself at least an honorary computer geek, I am fairly new to the "serious" side of Open Source licensing. Our developers - most of whom *have* been involved in it for many years - told me that they'd never seen an approach like this in an Open Source license. I am grateful for the input of more experienced persons. Very truly yours, Marc Whipple |
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Re: For Approval: Common Precertification Development and Distribution LicenseMarc Whipple wrote:
> In fact, the Initial Developer, assuming it has submitted anything like > a useful starting point, is assuming a huge competitive risk that later > Contributors will submit one or two extremely minor Modifications and > then use their access to catch up with or leapfrog the Initial > Developer's progress. Such leap-frogging is an intended benefit of open source. One idea is that if an initial developer can't get things together, someone else can pick up the slack. > Another list member (thank you, Mr. Swiger) has pointed out that he > submitted a similar license some years ago and it was denied > certification on this ground. I wasn't around for that, but it does seem similar enough. > If the territory has been covered, then it > has, and I am certainly not going to try to reverse something that has > been firmly established without more justification than, "If you don't > do this, then we can't do an Open Source project in our industry because > no one will participate." It is sad but true that not all applications > will at this time support an Open Source approach. I understand that not all companies are ready for open source. However, compromising the OSD gains nothing tangible in the short run and costs a lot in the long run. >> It appears that this limited time can only end (180 days) after > certification. That means a developer could create software that isn't > certifiable, and it would permanently be non-commercial. Thus, even if > a limited non-commercial period were acceptable, this could end up being > permanent. > > [Marc Whipple] > > I won't deny that this is possible. As I pointed out, it is anticipated > that the CPDDL will be used with software destined for certification. In > some industries, non-certified software can't be used at all, and > furthermore, any Contributor can submit a Modified Version for > certification at any time, even if the Initial Developer or other > Contributors don't want them to. The actual likelihood of > non-certification being used as a tactical technique is vanishingly > small, in my opinion. I'm not so sure. I think it could conceivably be abused. There's been a lot of gaming going on in open source lately, no pun intended. It seems equally easy to game the other way though; i.e. even with the restrictions it shouldn't be hard to find a "independent certification authority" to make an irrelevant certification. So maybe this objection isn't relevant. >> This is a violation of OSD #5, "The license must not discriminate > against any person or group of persons." > > [Marc Whipple] > I submit that reading this limitation as a discrimination is too broad > an application of the term. All licenses discriminate against persons or > entities which violate their terms, at the very least by revoking some > or all of the license rights. Maybe I wasn't clear. The discrimination here is granting one group (developers) commercial distribution right, and withholding it from another (users). You should be aware that this list is consistently accused of interpreting 5 & 6 too broadly. > >>> We are not aware of any license which is entirely incompatible with > the > CPDDL, although any license which claims to grant unrestricted >>> Commercial Use rights to Covered Software which has not yet been > certified would create a conflict. > >> Of course, all OSI-approved licenses do grant these unrestricted > rights. > > [Marc Whipple] > > Do all OSI-approved licenses grant rights to, for instance, > misappropriated software integrated into a contribution? I don't think > they do, or could. No, of course not. All I was saying is that your code couldn't be redistributed under any other license. That isn't itself a /problem/, but it isn't a good sign either. >> The license you want is not open source. > > [Marc Whipple] > > If it isn't, then it isn't, and I thank you for your time and effort in > addressing the situation. You're welcome. Thank you for being respectful and communicating in good faith. Matthew Flaschen |
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