Forrester: Ingres and MySQL Lead Open Source Databases

[Leif Biberg Kristensen]

http://www.linux-magazine.com/Online/News/Forrester-Ingres-and-MySQL-Lead-Open-Source-Databases

Forrester: Ingres and MySQL Lead Open Source Databases
Jul 14, 2009

Market researcher Forrester Research investigated the suitability of
database systems for enterprise deployment and found that the Ingres
and MySQl alternatives take the lead positions after IBM, Oracle and
Microsoft.

The Forrester study has the market giants IBM, Microsoft and Oracle with
88% of the share in enterprise databases. They found their lead to be
due mainly to high performance, availability and scalability.

Second place finishers were cost beneficial offerings from Computer
Associates, Software AG and Sybase. Current competition also comes from
IBM Informatix and open source products Ingres and MySQL, which
Forrester considers appropriate for the small to medium size enterprise
market.

The U.S. marketing firm praises Ingres as the open source database with
the best enterprise features, even when it isn't the best known. Its
optimal deployment is for less than 1 TByte databases with maximum a
thousand concurrent users. Unfortunately only a few ready-made
applications have Ingres.

The study has MySQL with open-minded features, even compared to the
proprietary products. Forrester also points to its large user
community. MySQL works best for databases up to 1 TByte. Many
applications support the open source database, although some important
ones such as Peoplesoft, SAP and Siebel still do not.

In comparison, PostgreSQL might have the largest developer community,
but has hardly any distribution among vendors. In Forrester's view it
lacks the availability, security and performance qualities of
enterprise class databases.

The market firm based their study on 150 criteria and a sample of 21
manufacturers and corporate clients. The study is available as a free
25-page PDF after registration at Ingres. Forrester Research claims
that the study is independent of, and was not commissioned by, Ingres.
-----
Yeah. PostgreSQl lacks «availability, security and performance qualities
of enterprise class databases» which MySQL obviously has.

Whoever inventented this bullshit must have been paid a serious amount
of money from somewhere.
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[Josh Berkus]

> Yeah. PostgreSQl lacks «availability, security and performance qualities
> of enterprise class databases» which MySQL obviously has.
>
> Whoever inventented this bullshit must have been paid a serious amount
> of money from somewhere.

No, it's actually a combination of other things, mostly that I didn't
have any time to follow up with Forrester this spring, and nobody was
available to help.  Sometimes the fact that we're an OSS project and not
a company with full-time marketing staff bites us on the tuchas.

I'll talk to Forrester and see how we can improve this.

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[Paragon Corporation-2]

 

>> Yeah. PostgreSQl lacks <availability, security and performance
>> qualities of enterprise class databases> which MySQL obviously has.
>
>> Whoever inventented this bullshit must have been paid a serious amount
>> of money from somewhere.

> No, it's actually a combination of other things, mostly that I didn't have
any time to follow up with Forrester this spring, and nobody was available
to help.  Sometimes
> the fact that we're an OSS project and not a company with full-time
marketing staff bites us on the tuchas.

> I'll talk to Forrester and see how we can improve this.

I would tend to agree with Leif on this one.  I mean they didn't even spell
IBM Informix right.  Or is there really an IBM Informatix I don't know
about.

Also why are the stats downloadable from Ingres site and not Forrester?  I
know they made it clear that Ingres did not  pay for this review but when a
review leads to a site that is flashing in the title, it does make me a bit
suspicious of its influences regardless of what is said.  Perhaps I'm just
being needlessly paranoid.

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Regina





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[Josh Berkus]

> Also why are the stats downloadable from Ingres site and not Forrester?  I
> know they made it clear that Ingres did not  pay for this review but when a
> review leads to a site that is flashing in the title, it does make me a bit
> suspicious of its influences regardless of what is said.  Perhaps I'm just
> being needlessly paranoid.

The reviews are only available to paying clients.  So only a paying
client can publicize the review.

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[Decibel!]

On Jul 16, 2009, at 10:48 AM, Josh Berkus wrote:

>> Yeah. PostgreSQl lacks «availability, security and performance  
>> qualities
>> of enterprise class databases» which MySQL obviously has.
>>
>> Whoever inventented this bullshit must have been paid a serious  
>> amount
>> of money from somewhere.
>
> No, it's actually a combination of other things, mostly that I  
> didn't have any time to follow up with Forrester this spring, and  
> nobody was available to help.  Sometimes the fact that we're an OSS  
> project and not a company with full-time marketing staff bites us  
> on the tuchas.

Have we looked at paying someone to be responsible for PR? I'm not  
thinking a PR firm or anything, but someone in the community who is  
actually charged with being responsible for dealing with PR. That  
would mean we don't have to worry about the "outside world" not  
having a point of contact, and we would also be able to make sure we  
have case studies and what-not.
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[selena deckelmann-2]

Hi!

On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 10:34 AM, decibel<decibel@...> wrote:

> Have we looked at paying someone to be responsible for PR? I'm not thinking
> a PR firm or anything, but someone in the community who is actually charged
> with being responsible for dealing with PR. That would mean we don't have to
> worry about the "outside world" not having a point of contact, and we would
> also be able to make sure we have case studies and what-not.

It's an interesting idea, but who would they report to and be accountable to?

I think it would be more productive to come up with a series of small
projects that people inside the community want to work on, and empower
them - through money or other kinds of support of the project - to do
things that help us all.

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[Rob Napier-3]

FMTCW

Below is an email I received a couple of days ago from one of the best-known US PR distribution companies.

The software promoted in this email is interesting in that it draws attention to one of the problems involved with doing PR well.

I agree with the principal that it needs to be led by a professional, not volunteers. The actual distribution and local content scouting might be done by volunteers but the core PR strategy needs someone who can string an effective message together. From my observation, that is an essential skill that is not common.

Handling PR well is as difficult as designing databases well. If we want great PR, it needs to be regular, well written, relevant, interesting, timely and of public interest. There are people who could take on this work who could be quite affordable. Certainly, the value would justify the investment.

Rob Napier


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[Greg Stark-5]

On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 4:08 AM, Rob Napier<rob@...> wrote:
> FMTCW
>
> Below is an email I received a couple of days ago from one of the best-known
> US PR distribution companies.

How amusing. So they're spamming you with a pitch based on avoiding a
spammer blacklist?

> Certainly, the value would justify the investment.

How does it result in Postgres being better software?

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[Rob Napier-3]

Greg

No. Firstly, I have been a customer of theirs, so it is not spam.

Secondly, they are a PR distribution house. They maintain a database of contacts for journalists. This is the bread and butter of PR consultants. The ad is simply claiming to offer more targeted mail outs to avoid being seen as a spammer.

And at the risk of suggesting that your response confirms my point, PR is not a simple process. It needs to be done by people who really understand the complexities of getting quality stories placed.

On 20/8/09 8:03 PM, "Greg Stark" <gsstark@...> wrote:

> On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 4:08 AM, Rob Napier<rob@...> wrote:
>> FMTCW
>>
>> Below is an email I received a couple of days ago from one of the best-known
>> US PR distribution companies.
>
> How amusing. So they're spamming you with a pitch based on avoiding a
> spammer blacklist?
>
>> Certainly, the value would justify the investment.
>
> How does it result in Postgres being better software?

Regards

Rob Napier

[Greg Stark-5]

On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 1:40 PM, Rob Napier<rob@...> wrote:
> No. Firstly, I have been a customer of theirs, so it is not spam.
>
> Secondly, they are a PR distribution house. They maintain a database of
> contacts for journalists. This is the bread and butter of PR consultants.
> The ad is simply claiming to offer more targeted mail outs to avoid being
> seen as a spammer.

Well I don't think we should be spamming no matter how targeted and no
regardless of how a PR person thinks it should be seen.


> And at the risk of suggesting that your response confirms my point, PR is
> not a simple process. It needs to be done by people who really understand
> the complexities of getting quality stories placed.

I still don't see how getting stories "placed" leads to good software.
I would rather believe that good software will lead to stories than
the other way around.

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[Rob Napier-3]

Public Relations 101:

Identify/create a newsworthy story that will be regarded by one or more sectors of the media as being of interest to their readership/viewers/listeners.

Prepare a media release that has the main ‘grab’ in the first paragraph. Media releases are hierarchical: Most important paragraph at the top down to the least important paragraph at the end. Why? Because journalists and editors are basically lazy. When a story doesn’t fit, they just cut sentences off the bottom of the story until it does fit!

Now we’re on to distribution. And the example I gave of EPR – one of the most respected PR distribution houses – helps PR consultants/in-house PR staff to get their stories to the right journalists at the right publications. There is no point sending a story about PostgreSQL to Zoo News – even if your logo is an elephant! It must be relevant to the readership. And in large media outlets, targeting the Journalist who has a history of covering a particular topic adds credibility and increases the likelihood that a media release will be well received and will run.

Anyway, I think I have said enough on the topic. This started as a discussion about getting timely media releases prepared. Selena suggested that it could be done by volunteers. I don’t think it can. But if there are people who want to try, I wish them luck. As I wrote earlier. It is bloody hard work! It’s not simply a matter of writing a story and expecting journalists to run it.

On 20/8/09 11:03 PM, "Greg Stark" <gsstark@...> wrote:

> On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 1:40 PM, Rob Napier<rob@...> wrote:
>> No. Firstly, I have been a customer of theirs, so it is not spam.
>>
>> Secondly, they are a PR distribution house. They maintain a database of
>> contacts for journalists. This is the bread and butter of PR consultants.
>> The ad is simply claiming to offer more targeted mail outs to avoid being
>> seen as a spammer.
>
> Well I don't think we should be spamming no matter how targeted and no
> regardless of how a PR person thinks it should be seen.
>
>
>> And at the risk of suggesting that your response confirms my point, PR is
>> not a simple process. It needs to be done by people who really understand
>> the complexities of getting quality stories placed.
>
> I still don't see how getting stories "placed" leads to good software.
> I would rather believe that good software will lead to stories than
> the other way around.

Regards

Rob Napier

[Greg Stark-5]

On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 2:21 PM, Rob Napier<rob@...> wrote:
> Anyway, I think I have said enough on the topic. This started as a
> discussion about getting timely media releases prepared. Selena suggested
> that it could be done by volunteers. I don’t think it can. But if there are
> people who want to try, I wish them luck. As I wrote earlier. It is bloody
> hard work! It’s not simply a matter of writing a story and expecting
> journalists to run it.

No, at least according to gmail's threading this conversation started
with yet another ill-informed Forrester report and Josh saying that
the reason it was ill-informed was because he didn't have time to get
back to them.

I would dispute that premise and in fact say that it's probably for
the best that we didn't speak to Forrester. He said he would try to
reach them now but a) I doubt they'll be interested and b) I doubt it
would work out for the best.

Forrester has little more credibility than Gartner group or other paid
shill analysts. They publish reports which are invariably
complimentary for the companies on their client list. Anyone else who
speaks to them or provides data inevitably finds their own words or
data being twisted to benefit their paymasters.

In addition to Postgres not being as scalable or reliable as MySQL did
you know that Linux distributions take longer to release security
patches than Microsoft? Thank Redhat for providing the raw data which
led to that conclusion.

c.f.
http://www.computerweekly.com/Articles/2004/04/05/201601/forrester-study-questions-linux-security.htm
http://www.informationweek.com/news/global-cio/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=178601879

In short Forrester, Gartner, and others like them are not your
friends. I would urge Josh and others to avoid giving them any quotes
or data which will only lend them credibility.

If you want to rebut the article the strategy to use would be what
Redhat did to that linux security report. Make sure there's a contact
for responsible journalists to call and have at your ready rebuttal
arguments. There will be plenty of journalists who don't bother
calling, especially if as in this case Postgres is just an
afterthought, but real journalists will call whoever has the most to
lose and get "balance" quotes.

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[Joshua D. Drake]

On Thu, 2009-08-20 at 14:37 +0100, Greg Stark wrote:

> On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 2:21 PM, Rob Napier<rob@...> wrote:
> > Anyway, I think I have said enough on the topic. This started as a
> > discussion about getting timely media releases prepared. Selena suggested
> > that it could be done by volunteers. I don’t think it can. But if there are
> > people who want to try, I wish them luck. As I wrote earlier. It is bloody
> > hard work! It’s not simply a matter of writing a story and expecting
> > journalists to run it.
>
> No, at least according to gmail's threading this conversation started
> with yet another ill-informed Forrester report and Josh saying that
> the reason it was ill-informed was because he didn't have time to get
> back to them.

You also have to remember that both Ingres and MySQL are companies. They
will always tend to show higher numbers than we do, as long as they
exist. It is just like the fabled, "Linux only has 2% marketshare"
because they can't track all the downloads.

I think we should ignore reports like this and focus on getting the word
out as a whole. The more users we have the more organic our growth. In
the end, it will all work out.

Let's focus on the project shall we?

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[David Fetter]

On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 02:03:01PM +0100, Greg Stark wrote:

> On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 1:40 PM, Rob Napier<rob@...> wrote:
> > No. Firstly, I have been a customer of theirs, so it is not spam.
> >
> > Secondly, they are a PR distribution house. They maintain a
> > database of contacts for journalists. This is the bread and butter
> > of PR consultants.  The ad is simply claiming to offer more
> > targeted mail outs to avoid being seen as a spammer.
>
> Well I don't think we should be spamming no matter how targeted and
> no regardless of how a PR person thinks it should be seen.

I agree.  Spamming is right out.

> > And at the risk of suggesting that your response confirms my
> > point, PR is not a simple process. It needs to be done by people
> > who really understand the complexities of getting quality stories
> > placed.
>
> I still don't see how getting stories "placed" leads to good
> software.  I would rather believe that good software will lead to
> stories than the other way around.

What you'd like to believe is not at issue here.  How people actually
behave is, and the scientific evidence to date simply does not support
your "supply the facts and rational people will simply draw the right
conclusion" model.  That idea was proposed back in the 17th century,
and it turned out to be wrong, just as decisively as Phlogiston
thermodynamics <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phlogiston_theory> turned
out to be.

See George Lakoff's work on framing, etc.

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[Greg Stark-5]

On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 8:17 PM, David Fetter<david@...> wrote:

> See George Lakoff's work on framing, etc.

I prefer John Badham's work. The only winning move is not to play.

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[Dave Page-7]

On 8/20/09, Greg Stark <gsstark@...> wrote:
> On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 8:17 PM, David Fetter<david@...> wrote:
>
>> See George Lakoff's work on framing, etc.
>
> I prefer John Badham's work. The only winning move is not to play.

That quote just isn't the same without the dodgy voice synth.

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[Decibel!]

On Aug 20, 2009, at 2:17 PM, David Fetter wrote:
> What you'd like to believe is not at issue here.  How people actually
> behave is, and the scientific evidence to date simply does not support
> your "supply the facts and rational people will simply draw the right
> conclusion" model.


Bingo. Getting people to actually try Postgres out or even better  
actively promote it; that's what advocacy is about. And part of  
advocacy *is* PR. Part is Marketing. Part is also making sure we have  
a contact for the press to contact (as someone mentioned).

While some of that can certainly be done on an ad-hoc basis, other  
parts can't (or would be extremely hard to find enough volunteer  
effort for). Hence the idea of putting money behind this.

As for who the person would report to, presumably it'd be the  
foundation providing the money. However, I also don't think the  
person doing this has to be an outsider.

BTW, for those saying let's focus on the software... this is the  
*advocacy* list. You're probably looking for -hackers. :P And keep in  
mind that advocacy builds community, which builds better software.
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[Joshua D. Drake]

On Thu, 2009-08-20 at 22:19 -0500, decibel wrote:

> BTW, for those saying let's focus on the software... this is the  
> *advocacy* list. You're probably looking for -hackers. :P And keep in  
> mind that advocacy builds community, which builds better software.

I do not think we should stop advocating. I think we should be doing so
smartly. Dealing with Forester or any of the other shills is a waste of
energy. Let EDB deal with that.

We as a community should be focusing on recruiting -hackers and people
who are going to use the database. Django developers, Rails developers,
PostGIS etc... We don't have to (nor should we want to) give donkey spit
about business uptick. The oustide developers and companies surrounding
us will take care of that.

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[Christopher Browne]

jd@... ("Joshua D. Drake") writes:
> On Thu, 2009-08-20 at 22:19 -0500, decibel wrote:
>> BTW, for those saying let's focus on the software... this is the  
>> *advocacy* list. You're probably looking for -hackers. :P And keep in  
>> mind that advocacy builds community, which builds better software.
>
> I do not think we should stop advocating. I think we should be doing so
> smartly. Dealing with Forester or any of the other shills is a waste of
> energy. Let EDB deal with that.

Not to be hard on EDB, but I'm not certain that the kind of work that
EDB's marketing-related folk would do dealing with Forestor et al would
necessarily be of as much use to "PostgreSQL as community" as it would
be to "EDB as company."

> We as a community should be focusing on recruiting -hackers and people
> who are going to use the database. Django developers, Rails developers,
> PostGIS etc... We don't have to (nor should we want to) give donkey spit
> about business uptick. The oustide developers and companies surrounding
> us will take care of that.

I don't think I have any competence to offer in the marketing area, but
that's not quite the same thing as thinking that our interest ought to
be solely at the "not give a donkey spit" level.

In the interests of keeping things entertaining, here's the funniest
stuff I saw today...

One of these posts refers to someone associated with One Of Those Other
Products as an "imperious twit," so obviously has the entertainment
attendant from watching insulting+sarcastic wit at work :-)

http://omnis-dev.com/pipermail/omnisdev-en/2009-February/005164.html
http://omnis-dev.com/pipermail/omnisdev-en/2009-February/005142.html
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[Greg Stark-5]

On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 4:44 PM, Joshua D. Drake<jd@...> wrote:
> I do not think we should stop advocating. I think we should be doing so
> smartly. Dealing with Forester or any of the other shills is a waste of
> energy. Let EDB deal with that.
>
> We as a community should be focusing on recruiting -hackers and people
> who are going to use the database. Django developers, Rails developers,
> PostGIS etc... We don't have to (nor should we want to) give donkey spit
> about business uptick. The oustide developers and companies surrounding
> us will take care of that.

Uhm, yeah. What he said.

Who would have thought it would be JD who would bring this
conversation to a practical and productive place?

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