tag:old.nabble.com,2006:forum-14216Nabble - Fox Toolkit2009-11-16T10:31:37ZFOX is a C++ based Toolkit for developing Graphical User Interfaces easily and effectively. Fox Toolkit home is <a href="http://www.fox-toolkit.org/" target="_top" rel="nofollow">here</a>.tag:old.nabble.com,2006:post-26377063Re: [ANN] FXiTe 0.12009-11-16T10:31:37Z2009-11-16T10:31:37ZSander JansenOn Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 12:22 PM, Jeff Pohlmeyer
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<div class='shrinkable-quote'><br>> On Nov 16, 2009 at 9:47 AM, Sander Jansen wrote:
<br>>
<br>>> Another thing I've encountered is that your application crashes on
<br>>> startup when FOX is compiled with xim support. This is caused by
<br>>> calling setFocus() on any textfield widget that hasn't been created
<br>>> yet.
<br>>
<br>> I can't reproduce the problem here, on ArchLinux i686 and x86_64 with
<br>> latest Fox 1.7.21 snapshot, but there is only one place I can remember
<br>> where this might happen at startup. Can you try the attached patch,
<br>> and see if it helps?
<br>>
<br>> Thanks,
<br>>
<br>> - Jeff
<br>>
</div>Great! Another ArchLinux user!
<br>The problem was with FOX-1.6. Last time I tried xim with FOX-1.7 it
<br>didn't work for me.
<br>The patch fixes the problem.
<br><br>Sander
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<br><br>> Another thing I've encountered is that your application crashes on
<br>> startup when FOX is compiled with xim support. This is caused by
<br>> calling setFocus() on any textfield widget that hasn't been created
<br>> yet.
<br><br>I can't reproduce the problem here, on ArchLinux i686 and x86_64 with
<br>latest Fox 1.7.21 snapshot, but there is only one place I can remember
<br>where this might happen at startup. Can you try the attached patch,
<br>and see if it helps?
<br><br>Thanks,
<br><br> - Jeff
<br><br /><tt>[xim-fix-1.diff]</tt><br /><hr align="left" width="300" /><tt>--- ../fxite.orig//src/search.cpp 2009-11-15 10:13:33.000000000 -0600
<br>+++ ./src/search.cpp 2009-11-16 11:52:11.000000000 -0600
<br>@@ -127,6 +127,7 @@
<br> void AppendHist(const FXString& search,const FXString& replace,FXuint mode);
<br>
<br> virtual FXuint execute(bool first_time);
<br>+ virtual void create();
<br>
<br> enum {
<br> ID_SCI_OPTS=FXDialogBox::ID_LAST,
<br>@@ -300,9 +301,19 @@
<br> }
<br>
<br>
<br>+
<br>+void SciReplDlg::create()
<br>+{
<br>+ FXDialogBox::create();
<br>+ srch_hist->setFocus();
<br>+}
<br>+
<br>+
<br>+
<br> FXuint SciReplDlg::execute(bool first_time)
<br> {
<br> if (first_time) { setSearchText(""); }
<br>+ create();
<br> if ( (!bwd_btn->hasFocus())&&!fwd_btn->hasFocus() ) { srch_hist->setFocus(); }
<br> srch_hist->start();
<br> repl_hist->start();
<br>@@ -353,7 +364,6 @@
<br> } else {
<br> srch_hist->enslave(repl_hist);
<br> }
<br>- srch_hist->setFocus();
<br> setSearchText("");
<br> }
<br>
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<br><br>> when TnFox will be updated from FOX 1.7 and up i'm planning to port my programm to it.
<br><br>I have no plans to do so until after FOX 1.8 is released and has
<br>become stable. I would add that anything new in FOX 1.8 (or 1.7)
<br>which is not strictly GUI related won't be making it into TnFOX so
<br>you may have some porting difficulties.
<br><br>BTW TnFOX has its own mailing list at tnfox-discussion {at} lists
<br>{dot} sourceforge {dot} net.
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<br>startup when FOX is compiled with xim support. This is caused by
<br>calling setFocus() on any textfield widget that hasn't been created
<br>yet.
<br><br>Sander
<br><br>On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 8:47 AM, Jeff Pohlmeyer
<br><<a href="http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&post=26374179&i=0" target="_top" rel="nofollow">yetanothergeek@...</a>> wrote:
<div class='shrinkable-quote'><br>> SJ> error: cast from 'void*' to 'FX::FXuint' loses precision
<br>> SJ> On x86_64 you need a additional cast to make that work:
<br>> SJ> int x = (FXint)(FXival)ptr;
<br>>
<br>>
<br>> The 64-bit compile problems (and some UTF-8 bugs) should be fixed now
<br>> with version 0.2 .
<br>>
<br>> Thanks for your feedback!
<br>>
<br>> - Jeff
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<br>Very nice editor.
<br>I found 2 things not working on Win (XP):
<br>1. when you try to select font font list is empty
<br>2. no unicode input:
<br>many progs using Scintilla hav a same problem. Thay claim that
<br>there is unicode support (actually providing from scintilla lib), but
<br>unicode input is broken.
<br>See SciTE editor for nice Unicode support.I use it a lot as replacement to dummy Notepad on windows and as an external editor viewer for TotalCommander.
<br>and as an handy text editor on linux.
<br>There is an option to set file encoding in SciTE to Unicode (utf-8)
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<br>SJ> On x86_64 you need a additional cast to make that work:
<br>SJ> int x = (FXint)(FXival)ptr;
<br><br><br>The 64-bit compile problems (and some UTF-8 bugs) should be fixed now
<br>with version 0.2 .
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<br>I stubbed in a "COCOA" version of the UI implementation.
<br>(the OS parts are still using UNIX, just like for X11)
<br>As mentioned, it's written in the Objective-C++ language.
<br><br>I now added some drawing commands to my FOX Cocoa port:
<br><a href="http://www.algonet.se/~afb/fox/fox-groupbox-cocoa.png" target="_top" rel="nofollow">http://www.algonet.se/~afb/fox/fox-groupbox-cocoa.png</a><br>Should be about par with the previous FOX Carbon port:
<br><a href="http://www.algonet.se/~afb/fox/fox-groupbox-mac.png" target="_top" rel="nofollow">http://www.algonet.se/~afb/fox/fox-groupbox-mac.png</a><br><br>It does look a bit odd still, since the heights are
<br>given in points but expected in pixels or something.
<br>(the fontHeight functions return points, textHeight
<br>returns pixels - but don't seem to be used by FOX ?)
<br><br>Event handling isn't working at the moment since it
<br>is causing a segfault within the Cocoa framework due
<br>to some method or other not being implemented, so it
<br>just overriding "drawRect:" - the others commented...
<br><br><br>As mentioned earlier, it's possible to use GNUstep
<br>for Cocoa development on Linux just like you can use
<br>MinGW32 and Wine for Win32 development on Linux too ?
<br>But the target would be: Mac OS X 10.4 through 10.6
<br><br>The FOX library links with Cocoa and OpenGL frameworks
<br>(or with libgnustep-gui and libGL/libGLU for GNUstep)
<br>But applications using FOX only need to link with FOX
<br>and libstdc++, but not with anything Objective-C...
<br><br>--anders
<br><br><br>PS. The windows/coordinates are still a bit off/wrong,
<br> due to Cocoa using a different coordinate system:
<br><br><a href="http://developer.apple.com/mac/library/documentation/Cocoa/Conceptual/" target="_top" rel="nofollow">http://developer.apple.com/mac/library/documentation/Cocoa/Conceptual/</a>
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<div class='shrinkable-quote'><br>> Hi Jeroen
<br>>
<br>> I tried to implement a CONTROLMASK selection at the FXTable 1.6.37
<br>> class.
<br>>
<br>> I uncommented your code at the message handler and implemented my
<br>> understanding of a toggleItem method:
<br>>
<br>> The result was that unselected items were colored in selected background
<br>> color, but written in normal foreground color. Therefore I manipulated
<br>> the isItemSelected, isRowSelected and isColumnSelected methods.
<br>>
<br>> That's all I changed.
<br>>
<br>> Is there a possibility to let the code flow into your developements ?
<br>>
<br>> Can you give me some more hints ?
</div><br>Well, unlike the other item-containers (FXList, FXTreeList, e.a.), the cells in
<br>FXTable may not always have an associated item. In fact, in a newly created
<br>FXTable the cells are set to NULL.
<br><br>Nevertheless, they're selectable, because the selection is based on the cells
<br>which fall into the range of selected cells. Thus, no actual item need be
<br>present for a cell to be selectable.
<br><br>The problem with toggling selection state on a per-item basis is, of course,
<br>the fact that you'd need to have an item....
<br><br>This was the reason that a toggle mode was not provided.
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<br>SJ> On x86_64 you need a additional cast to make that work:
<br>SJ> int x = (FXint)(FXival)ptr;
<br><br><br>LJ> I'm trying to build on OS X and running into a few snags
<br>LJ> Do you have a bug tracker or any place to submit patches yet?
<br><br><br>OK, I'll be glad to hear what kind of results you guys end up with.
<br>(And of course, patches are welcome!)
<br><br>For now you can either send them to me directly, or via the FXScintilla
<br>mailing lists and/or bug tracker:
<br> <a href="http://savannah.nongnu.org/projects/fxscintilla/" target="_top" rel="nofollow">http://savannah.nongnu.org/projects/fxscintilla/</a><br><br>Thanks,
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<br><br>> FXiTe is an advanced cross-platform text editor built with the Fox GUI toolkit
<br>> and the FXScintilla text widget. It features built-in syntax highlighting for
<br>> 40+ languages, an embedded Lua scripting engine, macro recording and playback,
<br>> multi-line regular expression search and replace, rudimentary ctags and calltip
<br>> support, a flexible interface to external tools, and a built-in
<br>> "message window"
<br>> to capture the output of external commands such as compiler error messages, etc.
<br><br>Sounds good! I'm trying to build on OS X and running into a few snags
<br>(similar to ones I've seen before, so not exactly unexpected). Do you
<br>have a bug tracker or any place to submit patches yet?
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<br>and the FXScintilla text widget. It features built-in syntax highlighting for
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<br>pkg-config script still includes them.
<br><br>This patch solves the problem for me.
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<br><br /><tt>[no-gl.diff]</tt><br /><hr align="left" width="300" /><tt>--- configure.ac.orig 2009-11-11 14:50:40.000000000 -0600
<br>+++ configure.ac 2009-11-11 14:51:10.000000000 -0600
<br>@@ -274,11 +274,12 @@
<br> if test "x$with_opengl" != "xno" ; then
<br> AC_CHECK_HEADER(GL/glu.h,CXXFLAGS="${CXXFLAGS} -DHAVE_GLU_H=1"; LIBS="${LIBS} ${LIBGLU}")
<br> AC_CHECK_HEADER(GL/gl.h,CXXFLAGS="${CXXFLAGS} -DHAVE_GL_H=1"; LIBS="${LIBS} ${LIBGL}")
<br>-fi
<br>+
<br> GL_LIBS="${LIBGL} ${LIBGLU}"
<br>
<br> # Substitute variables in output files
<br> AC_SUBST(GL_LIBS)
<br>+fi
<br>
<br> # Done.
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<br><br>> > I do not however understand why there is such secrecy about which
<br>> > individual changes are made to FOX, when and in what pattern. This
<br>> > behaviour is particularly fork unfriendly as it requires the fork
<br>> > maintainer to manually filter the patch files, whereas having the
<br>> > repo changelog one simply automates much of the graft as one can tag
<br>> > the deltas.
<br>>
<br>> You seem to be under the impression that Jeroen would want to make it
<br>> easy for people to fork the code.
<br><br>I consider it a great honour for someone to fork my code, much more
<br>so than contributing to it. It means that they have taken the time to
<br>develop a deep enough understanding of my work to either really
<br>disagree with my approach, or to incorporate my work within a totally
<br>new direction and focus for which it was not intended. I couldn't
<br>think of a better compliment to be chosen in such a fashion given how
<br>many alternatives there are out there.
<br><br>> It is my impression that Jeroen develops FOX primarily for his own
<br>> use. He publishes the source code, and a lot of people like what he's
<br>> done with FOX, so they use it too. It probably pleases him that so
<br>> many people like FOX, but if they didn't, that would be OK; he's not
<br>> building it for those people, he's building it for himself.
<br><br>I have an identical position myself: TnFOX is certainly not developed
<br>for anyone other than me. Moreover, no one else actually uses TnFOX
<br>to my knowledge :) though I know it's used for teaching C++
<br>metaprogramming classes.
<br><br>> Getting back to the problem you raised, though, I don't understand why
<br>> you're having so much difficulty tracking changes based on the regular
<br>> FOX releases. If I were in your position (wanting to maintain a fork
<br>> of FOX), I'd set up a repository with a vendor branch [1] for the FOX
<br>> releases and periodically merge changes from those back into my
<br>> working copy. Unless there's just a lot of churn in the code from
<br>> release to release (and perhaps this is the case), it ought to be
<br>> pretty straightforward.
<br><br>Well I track the stable releases as firstly I don't need the new
<br>stuff at all, but I do like bugfixes. Given the minor changes to the
<br>stable releases there's no problem you diff the source trees and
<br>apply to TnFOX - usually it's clean.
<br><br>However it's *very* different when it comes to new stable releases.
<br>Now you have a choice between two possibilities: either you take
<br>every snapshot leading up to the new stable and generate the
<br>thousands of diffs between them and proceed to apply to TnFOX. Or you
<br>do what is probably less work in this circumstance and generate a
<br>single massive diff and then you painstakingly work your way through
<br>every bit where it fails to cleanly apply which usually takes about
<br>fifty hours not including adding bits to the FOX emulation layer.
<br><br>I suppose FOX 1.8 may well be very different from before: most of the
<br>new features duplicate those TnFOX already has which is the first
<br>time this has happened. TnFOX's features are heavily integrated into
<br>the C++ metaprogramming and pervasive exception throws none of which
<br>FOX can do, so it's clear that most of changes in FOX 1.8 won't be
<br>making it into TnFOX.
<br><br>Anyway that's a while away yet. Next thing on my list for TnFOX is
<br>integrated OpenCL support such that we can make serious use of the
<br>GPU - TnFOX already has class leading SIMD support, and I'm hoping to
<br>approach a TeraFLOP of computing power with the hardware here.
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<br><br>> I have compiled fox 1.6.36 on macbook (10.5.8 leopard, X server version
<br>> 2.4.0 from xquartz).
<br>>
<br>> When I run calculator or other application, there is a resize icon look
<br>> like dragcorner (if DECOR_RESIZE is set) in the right bottom corner. The
<br>> icon is not transparent and in case of calculator it overlaps the "NOT"
<br>> button.
<br>>
<br>> In adie application this icon is over the status bar dragcorner icon.
<br><br>Right. This is the standard OS X window decoration for resizing a
<br>window (i.e. FOX doesn't provide this). You can see it in non-FOX
<br>applications as well (Safari, Terminal.app, etc.)
<br><br>> Is there any possibility to filter this icon out?
<br><br>Obviously, if you turn off the DECOR_RESIZE option, that drag corner
<br>goes away. But if you want it there, I think your only option is to
<br>add enough padding around the borders of the main window so that the
<br>drag corner icon doesn't overlap anything important.
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<br><br>I have compiled fox 1.6.36 on macbook (10.5.8 leopard, X server version
<br>2.4.0 from xquartz).
<br><br>When I run calculator or other application, there is a resize icon look
<br>like dragcorner (if DECOR_RESIZE is set) in the right bottom corner. The
<br>icon is not transparent and in case of calculator it overlaps the "NOT"
<br>button.
<br><br>In adie application this icon is over the status bar dragcorner icon.
<br><br>Is there any possibility to filter this icon out?
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<br><br>> And handling would be much much nicer as it fits into Expose,
<br>> Task Switcher and other NSApplication magic stuff.
<br>>
<br>> And with NSApplication you can add the most important stuff (like
<br>> the top menu in a weekend). This is IMHO the most important point.
<br><br>Sure, no argument there. Well maybe with the top menu, it gets
<br>a bit tricky for the corner cases - as I noticed with the GTK+.
<br><br>But you are right, NSApplication(/NSMenu) and NSWindow/NSView
<br>handles most of the job. Plus supporting like NSRect/NSString.
<br><br>> AFB> I think it would probably (and need to) be vector-based,
<br>> AFB> so that it would "scale" - but without any added detail...
<br>> AFB> And I haven't used FOX on anything larger than 1024x768,
<br>> AFB> so I wouldn't really know. But I didn't expect it to scale ?
<br>>
<br>> Well all other toolkits let you use icon formats where you simply
<br>> provide multiple resolutions for icons.
<br><br>I think that the SVG icons are working rather well too, even if
<br>not as picturesque as the 512x512 icons... ? Much smaller, too.
<br><br>> And if you say you are not using it on anything more then 1024x768
<br>> i'm not taking you serious any more. Don't talk about tools with
<br>> people who want toys.
<br><br>I was using FOX as a low-resource alternative. Those computers
<br>seldom had more than 1024x768 available, no GPU/VRAM for it...
<br><br>> But if you ask, no i'm not spending time to help the port.
<br>> If i have time available i will work on native ports of my app.
<br><br><br>I'm not really _using_ FOX for anything, except maybe to run Xfe.
<br>But I could help with another Mac port, at least to get started ?
<br><br>The first step, now as it was then, is to get away from "WIN32"
<br>and "HAVE_OPENGL_H" as means of determining choice of UI and GL.
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<br><br>AFB> Pretty much. I was just a bit surprised by it, really.
<br><br>By the way, it didn't took me more then 2 seconds until i realized
<br>that the radio button spacings was less then Interface Builder
<br>and the Apple Guidelines try to enforce. So even there they failed.
<br><br>AFB> Right, and that is why I haven't even bothered either...
<br><br>Same me.
<br><br>AFB> A Cocoa port wouldn't change much, in terms of appearance.
<br><br>Right, but if you have to give commerical support the X11 dependency,
<br>especially when the X11 server is broken like it was in the
<br>10.5.0-10.5.3 releases are a pain in the arse.
<br><br>And handling would be much much nicer as it fits into Expose,
<br>Task Switcher and other NSApplication magic stuff.
<br><br>And with NSApplication you can add the most important stuff (like
<br>the top menu in a weekend). This is IMHO the most important point.
<br><br>AFB> I think it would probably (and need to) be vector-based,
<br>AFB> so that it would "scale" - but without any added detail...
<br>AFB> And I haven't used FOX on anything larger than 1024x768,
<br>AFB> so I wouldn't really know. But I didn't expect it to scale ?
<br><br>Well all other toolkits let you use icon formats where you simply
<br>provide multiple resolutions for icons.
<br><br>And if you say you are not using it on anything more then 1024x768
<br>i'm not taking you serious any more. Don't talk about tools with
<br>people who want toys.
<br><br>But if you ask, no i'm not spending time to help the port.
<br>If i have time available i will work on native ports of my app.
<br><br><br><br>--
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<br><<a href="http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&post=26284984&i=0" target="_top" rel="nofollow">s_sourceforge@...</a>> wrote:
<br><br>> I do not however understand why there is such secrecy about which
<br>> individual changes are made to FOX, when and in what pattern. This
<br>> behaviour is particularly fork unfriendly as it requires the fork
<br>> maintainer to manually filter the patch files, whereas having the
<br>> repo changelog one simply automates much of the graft as one can tag
<br>> the deltas.
<br><br>You seem to be under the impression that Jeroen would want to make it
<br>easy for people to fork the code.
<br><br>It is my impression that Jeroen develops FOX primarily for his own
<br>use. He publishes the source code, and a lot of people like what he's
<br>done with FOX, so they use it too. It probably pleases him that so
<br>many people like FOX, but if they didn't, that would be OK; he's not
<br>building it for those people, he's building it for himself.
<br><br>If Jeroen were interested in opening up FOX development, and
<br>encouraging people to participate in and contribute to FOX, I'm pretty
<br>sure he would have done so by now. There are certainly plenty of
<br>examples of that model of open source software development out there;
<br>it's not like he's unaware of the concept of public source code
<br>repositories hosted at SourceForge, GitHub, et al.
<br><br>Getting back to the problem you raised, though, I don't understand why
<br>you're having so much difficulty tracking changes based on the regular
<br>FOX releases. If I were in your position (wanting to maintain a fork
<br>of FOX), I'd set up a repository with a vendor branch [1] for the FOX
<br>releases and periodically merge changes from those back into my
<br>working copy. Unless there's just a lot of churn in the code from
<br>release to release (and perhaps this is the case), it ought to be
<br>pretty straightforward.
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<br><div class='shrinkable-quote'><br>>> Or just compile all of FOX as Objective-C++ instead, then
<br>>> you don't lose anything by going back and forth like that ?
<br>>> The user programs can still be compiled as regular C++...
<br>>
<br>> I don't think that Obj-C++ is any different from Obj-C here - it just
<br>> lets you mingle in C++ rather than having to split it across
<br>> compilation units.
<br>>
<br>> You still can't call into Obj-C fully from C++ no matter what you do.
<br>> This isn't a matter of compiler support, it's one of a dynamically
<br>> typed language versus a statically typed language. Hence I'd also
<br>> doubt that the object types would be in any way compatible.
</div><br>There's lot of things that aren't allowed, but most aren't needed.
<br><br>See <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Objective-C#Objective-C.2B.2B" target="_top" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Objective-C#Objective-C.2B.2B</a><br>and <a href="http://developer.apple.com/mac/library/documentation/Cocoa/" target="_top" rel="nofollow">http://developer.apple.com/mac/library/documentation/Cocoa/</a>
<br>Conceptual/ObjectiveC/Articles/ocCPlusPlus.html
<br><br>The library users only need to include <objc/objc.h>, for "id"...
<br><br>> Still, maybe this limited support would be enough for FOX. Who knows
<br>> until someone tries!
<br><br>Of course I tried it. ;-)
<br><br>Works with GNUstep too, as long as you install "gobjc++" as well.
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<br><br>> AFB> I meant "just by looking at it, you couldn't really tell"...
<br>> AFB> Like from <a href="http://doc.trolltech.com/4.5/gallery.html" target="_top" rel="nofollow">http://doc.trolltech.com/4.5/gallery.html</a> or so.
<br>>
<br>> Came on thats bullshit. You take the most simple example
<br>> with state of art GUIs of 1994 and say that now 15 years later
<br>> it looks good.
<br><br>Pretty much. I was just a bit surprised by it, really.
<br><br>> There is no way to write a native GUI interface anymore without
<br>> writing special platform specific code.
<br>>
<br>> And it will get worse as Apple and MS understand that
<br>> the look and feel is there trademark and brand and extremely
<br>> important for mainstream users.
<br><br>Right, and that is why I haven't even bothered either...
<br><br>When using something like wxWidgets, there's a separate
<br>implementation for each toolkit and it would use whatever
<br>native widgets are provided by the vendor for doing it.
<br>So it's more of a compatibility layer, than a framework ?
<br><br>> Thats why i say, a cocoa non X11 solution would be good enough
<br>> and then we should focus on an overall improved FOX because it sucks
<br>> on all platforms. The FOX icons are unreadable on my 1920x1080
<br>> 17" notebook because they don't scale. Thats what i mean with
<br>> fix the worst FOX problems first.
<br><br>A Cocoa port wouldn't change much, in terms of appearance.
<br><br>I think it would probably (and need to) be vector-based,
<br>so that it would "scale" - but without any added detail...
<br>And I haven't used FOX on anything larger than 1024x768,
<br>so I wouldn't really know. But I didn't expect it to scale ?
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<br><br>AFB> I meant "just by looking at it, you couldn't really tell"...
<br>AFB> Like from <a href="http://doc.trolltech.com/4.5/gallery.html" target="_top" rel="nofollow">http://doc.trolltech.com/4.5/gallery.html</a> or so.
<br><br>Came on thats bullshit. You take the most simple example
<br>with state of art GUIs of 1994 and say that now 15 years later
<br>it looks good.
<br><br>Sorry any serious application has much much more serious GUI
<br>problems and (look and feel) than fucking the 8 primitive GUI
<br>input controls.
<br><br>By the way, does QT have ribbons? Or at least window modal
<br>dialogs like MacOSX? And why is the Webkit Widget DLL twice the
<br>size of the whole Firefox? They don't even use windows
<br>charset encoding and bundle megabytes of char tables.
<br><br>There is no way to write a native GUI interface anymore without
<br>writing special platform specific code.
<br><br>And it will get worse as Apple and MS understand that
<br>the look and feel is there trademark and brand and extremely
<br>important for mainstream users.
<br><br>Thats why i say, a cocoa non X11 solution would be good enough
<br>and then we should focus on an overall improved FOX because it sucks
<br>on all platforms. The FOX icons are unreadable on my 1920x1080
<br>17" notebook because they don't scale. Thats what i mean with
<br>fix the worst FOX problems first.
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<br><br>> > If there's enough interest in such a Mac port, it's possible to do one
<br>> > for the released code - even if it's a hassle to do it for the snaphots.
<br>>
<br>> Well yes, but it's a serious pain in the ass without access to a
<br>> (readonly) repository to keep everything automatically up2date.
<br><br>I can certainly testify to this after quite a few years of
<br>experience.
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<br><div class='shrinkable-quote'><br>> > In so far as I understand it, the main GUI event loop needs to be in
<br>> > Cocoa and Obj-C. One would need to redesign FXApp, but it could be
<br>> > done. However after that one has a big problem: FOX calls into the
<br>> > windowing API all over the place and usually nested deep inside C++,
<br>> > so getting back into Obj-C is extremely tricky. To my knowledge, C
<br>> > can call into Obj-C, so basically you lose all the C++ extra stuff
<br>> > whenever you dip into Obj-C.
<br>>
<br>> Or just compile all of FOX as Objective-C++ instead, then
<br>> you don't lose anything by going back and forth like that ?
<br>> The user programs can still be compiled as regular C++...
</div><br>I don't think that Obj-C++ is any different from Obj-C here - it just
<br>lets you mingle in C++ rather than having to split it across
<br>compilation units.
<br><br>You still can't call into Obj-C fully from C++ no matter what you do.
<br>This isn't a matter of compiler support, it's one of a dynamically
<br>typed language versus a statically typed language. Hence I'd also
<br>doubt that the object types would be in any way compatible.
<br><br>Still, maybe this limited support would be enough for FOX. Who knows
<br>until someone tries!
<br><br>> > However no one actually needs a Mac for any of this: there is a
<br>> > reasonably complete port of Apple's Cocoa to Windows at
<br>> > <a href="http://www.cocotron.org/" target="_top" rel="nofollow">http://www.cocotron.org/</a>.
<br>>
<br>> Why use that instead of GNUstep, readily available on Linux ?
<br>> It is just `sudo apt-get install libgnustep-gui-dev` on Ubuntu.
<br>> Compiles that sample program, after replacing <Cocoa/Cocoa.h>.
<br><br>Sure, whatever eases development.
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<br><br>> > So, you're happy then to have a public GIT of FOX reflect the
<br>> > snapshot releases you do?
<br>>
<br>> Don't hold your breath... that will never happen...
<br><br>I am afraid that I just don't understand such bloody mindedness. I
<br>get why one would want to coarsely sync public repository updates
<br>from a private one sure. I also get why snapshots are preferable to
<br>some intermediate state where HEAD doesn't compile cleanly.
<br><br>I do not however understand why there is such secrecy about which
<br>individual changes are made to FOX, when and in what pattern. This
<br>behaviour is particularly fork unfriendly as it requires the fork
<br>maintainer to manually filter the patch files, whereas having the
<br>repo changelog one simply automates much of the graft as one can tag
<br>the deltas.
<br><br>Obviously I have a large vested interest here, but it is germane to a
<br>Mac themed port too or indeed any customised or bespoke version of
<br>FOX where it needed modification to suit requirements.
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<br><br>> AFB> Not everyone has an army of programmers like Trolltech does,
<br>> AFB> you would almost believe that their library is native now...
<br>>
<br>> No it doesn't.
<br>> Unless you are on Linux-KDE where it is.
<br><br>I meant "just by looking at it, you couldn't really tell"...
<br>Like from <a href="http://doc.trolltech.com/4.5/gallery.html" target="_top" rel="nofollow">http://doc.trolltech.com/4.5/gallery.html</a> or so.
<br><br>Of course, just like Swing it does this by "cheating" and
<br>using the system drawing functions. So the Mac style only
<br>works on Mac OS X, and the XP style only works on Windows.
<br>(even if not using the native, or "heavyweight", widgets)
<br><br>> And native on Windows means now C# and WPF.
<br><br>Yeah, and freedom is slavery and ignorance is strength ? :-)
<br>But it would need an update to blend in with Aero, sure.
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<br><br>AFB> Not everyone has an army of programmers like Trolltech does,
<br>AFB> you would almost believe that their library is native now...
<br><br>No it doesn't.
<br>Unless you are on Linux-KDE where it is.
<br>And native on Windows means now C# and WPF.
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<br><div class='shrinkable-quote'><br>> When I said it would need to be a "sophisticated" theming engine, I
<br>> guess I meant that it would need to provide the theme implementor with
<br>> a lot of flexibility for overriding the look and feel. One example of
<br>> a potential problem for a theming engine would be the scrollbars on OS
<br>> X. On OS X, the "arrows" (up and down, for vertical scrollbars) sit
<br>> next to each other at the bottom of the scrollbar, whereas in FOX (and
<br>> Windows, etc.) the arrows are at opposite ends of the scrollbar. So
<br>> you'd not only need to paint it differently, but also make sure there
<br>> aren't any assumptions elsewhere in the code about the placement of
<br>> those buttons.
</div><br>And this goes for simple things such as OK and Cancel in dialogs (!),
<br>and for file open dialogs, color picking, font choosing, etc. etc....
<br>It's almost impossible (and a lot of work) to get this "just right",
<br>by re-implementing the exact appearance in a non-system theme engine.
<br><br>So it would be better (IMHO) for the theming engine to provide an
<br>updated appearance (like Goggles), than trying to imitate native.
<br><br>> Another consideration would be how to handle menu bars. For Cocoa
<br>> apps, the desktop's menu bar changes depending on which application
<br>> has the focus. Individual application windows don't have the menu bar
<br>> built into them (again, this is different from Windows/Linux).
<br><br>The GTK+ approach (with the optional Ige-mac-integration that is)
<br>is to create a real Mac menu, and then loop through the existing
<br>GTK+ menu to create a copy and then finally hide the GTK+ widget.
<br>Then all events are mapped, and any changes resynced. Rather ugly ?
<br><br>There's some other things too, like you can't have a Mac program
<br>in a simple "bin" directory - but must wrap it in an ".app" bundle.
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<br><br>> For my own projects I subclassed the widgets from FOX to give it a
<br>> custom look. (see attached screenshot).
<br><br>Very nice indeed!
<br><br>When I said it would need to be a "sophisticated" theming engine, I
<br>guess I meant that it would need to provide the theme implementor with
<br>a lot of flexibility for overriding the look and feel. One example of
<br>a potential problem for a theming engine would be the scrollbars on OS
<br>X. On OS X, the "arrows" (up and down, for vertical scrollbars) sit
<br>next to each other at the bottom of the scrollbar, whereas in FOX (and
<br>Windows, etc.) the arrows are at opposite ends of the scrollbar. So
<br>you'd not only need to paint it differently, but also make sure there
<br>aren't any assumptions elsewhere in the code about the placement of
<br>those buttons.
<br><br>Another consideration would be how to handle menu bars. For Cocoa
<br>apps, the desktop's menu bar changes depending on which application
<br>has the focus. Individual application windows don't have the menu bar
<br>built into them (again, this is different from Windows/Linux).
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<br><br>> What I am saying is that most people don't understand FOX's approach
<br>> (or they just disagree with it). All they know is that their
<br>> FOX/FXRuby applications look crappy when running on OS X, whereas on
<br>> Windows and Linux, they're used to their applications looking crappy.
<br>> ;)
<br><br>Yes, I suppose that is why Swing got traded for SWT and why
<br>I switched to using wxWidgets myself for my non-X11 stuff...
<br><br>>> It seems like that is something that would be done by a "theme"
<br>>> engine, something like what Java does for Swing for instance?
<br>>
<br>> Maybe, but it would need to be a pretty sophisticated theming engine.
<br>> That's something I gave up on a long time ago, though. I don't expect
<br>> that Jeroen will implement theming in FOX unless he needs it for
<br>> something he's working on.
<br><br>Not everyone has an army of programmers like Trolltech does,
<br>you would almost believe that their library is native now...
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<br><br>>
<br>>> It seems like that is something that would be done by a "theme"
<br>>> engine, something like what Java does for Swing for instance?
<br>>
<br>> Maybe, but it would need to be a pretty sophisticated theming engine.
<br>> That's something I gave up on a long time ago, though. I don't expect
<br>> that Jeroen will implement theming in FOX unless he needs it for
<br>> something he's working on.
<br>>
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<div class='shrinkable-quote'><br>> Lyle Johnson wrote:
<br>>
<br>>> I don't know that there's sufficient interest (but I don't say that to
<br>>> discourage anyone from trying). As has already been stated, what most
<br>>> people mean when they say they want a "Mac port" of FOX is that they
<br>>> want to build applications using FOX that look like native Mac (Cocoa)
<br>>> applications.
<br>>
<br>> Not sure why it should look like a native Mac application, when
<br>> it doesn't look like a native application anywhere else either...
</div><br>I agree with you. FOX's approach is to draw everything and not use
<br>native widgets, so simply swapping out X11 for some other drawing
<br>engine wouldn't significantly change the application's appearance.
<br><br>What I am saying is that most people don't understand FOX's approach
<br>(or they just disagree with it). All they know is that their
<br>FOX/FXRuby applications look crappy when running on OS X, whereas on
<br>Windows and Linux, they're used to their applications looking crappy.
<br>;)
<br><br>> It seems like that is something that would be done by a "theme"
<br>> engine, something like what Java does for Swing for instance?
<br><br>Maybe, but it would need to be a pretty sophisticated theming engine.
<br>That's something I gave up on a long time ago, though. I don't expect
<br>that Jeroen will implement theming in FOX unless he needs it for
<br>something he's working on.
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<br><br>> But I'm not really sure when FOX 1.8.0 is supposed to be released ?
<br>> It seems to have been in development since Apr 2006, that right?
<br><br>I think the first release of FOX 1.7 may have been around July 2006,
<br>but yes, that's the right timeframe (a little over three years ago).
<br><br>I asked about this on March 6, 2009, in a post to the mailing list.
<br>Jeroen's response at that time was:
<br><br>"I think you're right, its probably time to converge the current code
<br>to a new stable version as soon as possible.
<br><br>It hasn't reached the goals I'd set for the 1.8 release, as a result
<br>of the lack of time [and energy] due to my home construction project.
<br><br>Fortunately that will be drawing to a close in the next few months,
<br>and I should be able to resume the pace at that time.
<br><br>In the meantime, I do believe you're right, and that its worth it to
<br>focus on converging the current code into a releasable state, wrap up
<br>a few loose ends, and get it into shape for the 1.8 release."
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<br><div class='shrinkable-quote'><br>>> If there's enough interest in such a Mac port, it's possible to do
<br>>> one
<br>>> for the released code - even if it's a hassle to do it for the
<br>>> snaphots.
<br>>
<br>> I don't know that there's sufficient interest (but I don't say that to
<br>> discourage anyone from trying). As has already been stated, what most
<br>> people mean when they say they want a "Mac port" of FOX is that they
<br>> want to build applications using FOX that look like native Mac (Cocoa)
<br>> applications.
</div><br>Not sure why it should look like a native Mac application, when
<br>it doesn't look like a native application anywhere else either...
<br><br>It seems like that is something that would be done by a "theme"
<br>engine, something like what Java does for Swing for instance ?
<br><br>> But perhaps there is some value in at least eliminating
<br>> the X11 layer and going straight to the native OS X drawing layer.
<br><br><br>Yeah, that is pretty much what the GTK+ port does for instance.
<br>(Anything else has to be added on, and chosen by developer/user)
<br><br>If you try the FLTK programs for Mac OS X (using Carbon, but...)
<br>you will see what it could look like ? "Still gray, but no 'X'"
<br><br>--anders
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<br>>> one
<br>>> for the released code - even if it's a hassle to do it for the
<br>>> snaphots.
<br>>
<br>> Well yes, but it's a serious pain in the ass without access to a
<br>> (readonly) repository to keep everything automatically up2date.
<br><br>That much I noticed :-) Which is why it wasn't up-to-date, either.
<br>(I was missing a few patches, since I was using 1.7.20 instead...)
<br><br>But I'm not really sure when FOX 1.8.0 is supposed to be released ?
<br>It seems to have been in development since Apr 2006, that right ?
<br><br>--anders
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