FreeBSD vs Russian's laws

[Vagner-5]

Good day! I wanted to share with you the situation in Russia and hear
advice. In Russia introduced a law "On personal data" and the
corresponding standarts. In accordance with these standarts process
personal data (ie 80% of all data in the enterprise) can only by
certified operating systems and software.
Certified happening in the Federal Security Service in Russia (FSB in USA). But FreeBSD doesn't certify anyone.
That  is, in Russia are trying to ban the use os Freebsd and similar.
For the use of face criminal liability. What do i do not kwow, but
        refuse to use FreeBSD, i don't intend to. How do you fight
        against corruption & bureaucraty in the government itself? Thks

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[Igor Mozolevsky-2]

2009/10/31 Vagner <root.vagner@...>:

> In Russia introduced a law "On personal data" and the
> corresponding standarts. In accordance with these standarts process
> personal data (ie 80% of all data in the enterprise) can only by
> certified operating systems and software.
> Certified happening in the Federal Security Service in Russia (FSB in USA).
> But FreeBSD doesn't certify anyone.

Huh? Do you mean Zakon 152-FZ [1]? I could not find anything in that
statute that mentions certified operating system (ok, I did just do
"search" and not a detailed read), what section/paragraph are you
referring to?

1. http://www.rg.ru/printable/2006/07/29/personaljnye-dannye-dok.html

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[Rick Nekus]

 We're all certifiable with the *BSD's, no pun intended. :)
  I'm not sure if this helps but there is accepted "certs" for the BSD's.

 http://www.bsdcertification.org/ -and it's fairly cheap.

as far as your "...How do you fight against corruption & bureaucraty in the government itself?..."

  well, UNFORTUNATELY, every country in the world HAS THAT problem.

 

GL

 

Rick.

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> Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 09:19:56 +0300
> From: root.vagner@...
> To: freebsd-chat@...
> Subject: FreeBSD vs Russian's laws
>
> Good day! I wanted to share with you the situation in Russia and hear
> advice. In Russia introduced a law "On personal data" and the
> corresponding standarts. In accordance with these standarts process
> personal data (ie 80% of all data in the enterprise) can only by
> certified operating systems and software.
> Certified happening in the Federal Security Service in Russia (FSB in USA). But FreeBSD doesn't certify anyone.
> That is, in Russia are trying to ban the use os Freebsd and similar.
> For the use of face criminal liability. What do i do not kwow, but
> refuse to use FreeBSD, i don't intend to.  Thks
>
> --
> Respectfully,
> Stanislav Putrya
> System administrator
> "RMK Kovsh" Ltd.
> IM: 328585847
> mob. phone: [phone]
> email: root.vagner@...
> email: vagner_rider@...
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[Vagner-5]

On 09:44 Sat 31 Oct , Igor Mozolevsky wrote:

> 2009/10/31 Vagner <root.vagner@...>:
>
> > In Russia introduced a law "On personal data" and the
> > corresponding standarts. In accordance with these standarts process
> > personal data (ie 80% of all data in the enterprise) can only by
> > certified operating systems and software.
> > Certified happening in the Federal Security Service in Russia (FSB in USA).
> > But FreeBSD doesn't certify anyone.
>
> Huh? Do you mean Zakon 152-FZ [1]? I could not find anything in that
> statute that mentions certified operating system (ok, I did just do
> "search" and not a detailed read), what section/paragraph are you
> referring to?
>
> 1. http://www.rg.ru/printable/2006/07/29/personaljnye-dannye-dok.html
>
> Cheers,
>
> --
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Yes, i mean this is the law... In addition to the Federal Security Service checks and will deal with
the Federal Service for Technical and Export Control (FSTEC). According
to the normative legal documents No. ROSS RU.0001.01BI00
(http://www.fstec.ru/_srt/_prbser.htm) and the state registry of
certified funds (http://www.fstec.ru/_doc/_reestr_sszi.xls) all used for
processing and storage facilities should be certified. The site
www.fstec.ru given a full list of legal documents on the subject. It is
not sad it sounds - but it turns freebsd in russia will simply be
banned:(

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[Vagner-5]

On 09:33 Sat 31 Oct , Rick N wrote:

>
>  We're all certifiable with the *BSD's, no pun intended. :)
>   I'm not sure if this helps but there is accepted "certs" for the BSD's.
>
>  http://www.bsdcertification.org/ -and it's fairly cheap.
>
> as far as your "...How do you fight against corruption & bureaucraty in the government itself?..."
>
>   well, UNFORTUNATELY, every country in the world HAS THAT problem.
>
>  
>
> GL
>
>  
>
> Rick.
>
> --------------------------------------------------------
> > Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 09:19:56 +0300
> > From: root.vagner@...
> > To: freebsd-chat@...
> > Subject: FreeBSD vs Russian's laws
> >
> > Good day! I wanted to share with you the situation in Russia and hear
> > advice. In Russia introduced a law "On personal data" and the
> > corresponding standarts. In accordance with these standarts process
> > personal data (ie 80% of all data in the enterprise) can only by
> > certified operating systems and software.
> > Certified happening in the Federal Security Service in Russia (FSB in USA). But FreeBSD doesn't certify anyone.
> > That is, in Russia are trying to ban the use os Freebsd and similar.
> > For the use of face criminal liability. What do i do not kwow, but
> > refuse to use FreeBSD, i don't intend to.  Thks
> >
> > --
> > Respectfully,
> > Stanislav Putrya
> > System administrator
> > "RMK Kovsh" Ltd.
> > IM: 328585847
> > mob. phone: [phone]
> > email: root.vagner@...
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Rick, the main problem lies in the fact that Russia's goverment exactly
as the laws are not oriented in this matter on the international
certification. It seems that in Russia trying to break as minnimum
citizens feedom of choise and competition policy:(

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[Rick Nekus]

> Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 17:32:25 +0300
> From: root.vagner@...
> To: solarux@...
> CC: freebsd-chat@...
> Subject: Re: FreeBSD vs Russian's laws
>
> On 09:33 Sat 31 Oct , Rick N wrote:
> >
> >  We're all certifiable with the *BSD's, no pun intended. :)
> >   I'm not sure if this helps but there is accepted "certs" for the BSD's.
> >
> >  http://www.bsdcertification.org/ -and it's fairly cheap.
> >
> > as far as your "...How do you fight against corruption & bureaucraty in the government itself?..."
> >
> >   well, UNFORTUNATELY, every country in the world HAS THAT problem.
> >
> >  
> >
> > GL
> >
> >  
> >
> > Rick.
> >
> > --------------------------------------------------------
> > > Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 09:19:56 +0300
> > > From: root.vagner@...
> > > To: freebsd-chat@...
> > > Subject: FreeBSD vs Russian's laws
> > >
> > > Good day! I wanted to share with you the situation in Russia and hear
> > > advice. In Russia introduced a law "On personal data" and the
> > > corresponding standarts. In accordance with these standarts process
> > > personal data (ie 80% of all data in the enterprise) can only by
> > > certified operating systems and software.
> > > Certified happening in the Federal Security Service in Russia (FSB in USA). But FreeBSD doesn't certify anyone.
> > > That is, in Russia are trying to ban the use os Freebsd and similar.
> > > For the use of face criminal liability. What do i do not kwow, but
> > > refuse to use FreeBSD, i don't intend to.  Thks
> > >
> > > --
> > > Respectfully,
> > > Stanislav Putrya
> > > System administrator
> > > "RMK Kovsh" Ltd.
> > > IM: 328585847
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> > > email: root.vagner@...
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> Rick, the main problem lies in the fact that Russia's goverment exactly
> as the laws are not oriented in this matter on the international
> certification. It seems that in Russia trying to break as minnimum
> citizens feedom of choise and competition policy:(
>
> --
> Respectfully,
> Stanislav Putrya
> System administrator
> "RMK Kovsh" Ltd.
> IM: 328585847
> mob. phone: [phone]
> email: root.vagner@...
> email: vagner_rider@...
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Hi Stanislav,
 Thats not good news for you guys indeed.
 Correct if I'm wrong, but I guess its sounds like the one most certifiable (aka pay$ the most corrupt money -gets to be the certified-OS of choice in Russia. ?
 lets me guess - Bill Gates wins right?
 I hope not.
GL
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[Vagner-5]

>  Thats not good news for you guys indeed.
>  Correct if I'm wrong, but I guess its sounds like the one most certifiable (aka pay$ the most corrupt money -gets to be the certified-OS of choice in Russia. ?
>  lets me guess - Bill Gates wins right?
>  I hope not.
> GL
>  Rick.
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Yes, you understood everything correctly. In Russia it's introduced as
another of many ways to take money from organizations. But this is not
correct:(( In Russia there are organizations representing the interests
of the community - they sell to support itself freebsd. Why they do not
work towards the legalization freebsd - don't understand. I want to find
a way to freely choose FreeBSD as the primary server for organizations,
but if things go further it will be impossible. Time to bring the
systems in accordance with the laws - 1.01.2010

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[Igor Mozolevsky-2]

2009/10/31 Vagner <root.vagner@...>:

> Yes, i mean this is the law... In addition to the Federal Security Service
> checks and will deal with
> the Federal Service for Technical and Export Control (FSTEC). According
> to the normative legal documents No. ROSS RU.0001.01BI00
> (http://www.fstec.ru/_srt/_prbser.htm) and the state registry of
> certified funds (http://www.fstec.ru/_doc/_reestr_sszi.xls) all used for
> processing and storage facilities should be certified. The site
> www.fstec.ru given a full list of legal documents on the subject. It is
> not sad it sounds - but it turns freebsd in russia will simply be
> banned:(

Let me ask you again - *where specifically* does it actually say that
all systems that process data must be certified or compliant with a
specific standard? The Zakon is very vague on the exact criteria and
that is for a reason... The closest thing I could find to what you are
describing was on the FSTEC site in relation to *State* Secrets...

Besides, if *all* systems that process personal data had to be
certified, you do realise that includes telephones, PBXes, PDAs and so
on?.. I think you're over-reacting...


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[Vagner-5]

On 16:39 Sat 31 Oct , Igor Mozolevsky wrote:

> 2009/10/31 Vagner <root.vagner@...>:
>
> > Yes, i mean this is the law... In addition to the Federal Security Service
> > checks and will deal with
> > the Federal Service for Technical and Export Control (FSTEC). According
> > to the normative legal documents No. ROSS RU.0001.01BI00
> > (http://www.fstec.ru/_srt/_prbser.htm) and the state registry of
> > certified funds (http://www.fstec.ru/_doc/_reestr_sszi.xls) all used for
> > processing and storage facilities should be certified. The site
> > www.fstec.ru given a full list of legal documents on the subject. It is
> > not sad it sounds - but it turns freebsd in russia will simply be
> > banned:(
>
> Let me ask you again - *where specifically* does it actually say that
> all systems that process data must be certified or compliant with a
> specific standard? The Zakon is very vague on the exact criteria and
> that is for a reason... The closest thing I could find to what you are
> describing was on the FSTEC site in relation to *State* Secrets...
>
> Besides, if *all* systems that process personal data had to be
> certified, you do realise that includes telephones, PBXes, PDAs and so
> on?.. I think you're over-reacting...
>
>
> Cheers,
>
> --
> Igor

I'm afraid that is not the exact wording in the law would allow the
inspectors to establish their own rules:( Also - if you look at
paragraph 1.5 Regulation on certification of information sequrity
requirements for information sequrity: "subject to mandatory
certification means, including foreing-made, designed to protect
information constituting state secrets, and *other information
restricted*, as well as tools used in the management of environmentally
hazardous facilities." In accordance with advice received from FSTEC -
freebsd used for operations with the data containing the name and etc.
is forbidden:( I'll be only too glad if my analisis of the situation is
not true, but if it's still true, then from january 1, many disputes will
be resolved criminal cases(

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[Dag-Erling Smørgrav]

Rick N <solarux@...> writes:
> I'm not sure if this helps but there is accepted "certs" for the BSD's.
>
>  http://www.bsdcertification.org/ -and it's fairly cheap.

Completely irrelevant.  Vagner is talking about a requirement to certify
the *software*, not the developers or admins.

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[KAYVEN RIESE]

On Sat, 31 Oct 2009, Rick N wrote:

>
> We're all certifiable with the *BSD's, no pun intended. :)
>  I'm not sure if this helps but there is accepted "certs" for the BSD's.
>
> http://www.bsdcertification.org/ -and it's fairly cheap.
>

My understanding of what he said was that the Russian government needed to
certify the operating system and then didn't?  Therefore the BSD
certification is irrelevant?

> as far as your "...How do you fight against corruption & bureaucraty in the government itself?..."
>
>  well, UNFORTUNATELY, every country in the world HAS THAT problem.
>
>
>
> GL
>
>
>
> Rick.
>
> --------------------------------------------------------
>> Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 09:19:56 +0300
>> From: root.vagner@...
>> To: freebsd-chat@...
>> Subject: FreeBSD vs Russian's laws
>>
>> Good day! I wanted to share with you the situation in Russia and hear
>> advice. In Russia introduced a law "On personal data" and the
>> corresponding standarts. In accordance with these standarts process
>> personal data (ie 80% of all data in the enterprise) can only by
>> certified operating systems and software.
>> Certified happening in the Federal Security Service in Russia (FSB in USA). But FreeBSD doesn't certify anyone.
>> That is, in Russia are trying to ban the use os Freebsd and similar.
>> For the use of face criminal liability. What do i do not kwow, but
>> refuse to use FreeBSD, i don't intend to.  Thks
>>
>> --
>> Respectfully,
>> Stanislav Putrya
>> System administrator
>> "RMK Kovsh" Ltd.
>> IM: 328585847
>> mob. phone: [phone]
>> email: root.vagner@...
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[KAYVEN RIESE]

On Sat, 31 Oct 2009, Vagner wrote:
> On 09:44 Sat 31 Oct , Igor Mozolevsky wrote:
>> 2009/10/31 Vagner <root.vagner@...>:
>>
>>> In Russia introduced a law "On personal data" and the
>>> corresponding standarts. In accordance with these standarts process
>>> personal data (ie 80% of all data in the enterprise) can only by
>>> certified operating systems and software.
>>> Certified happening in the Federal Security Service in Russia (FSB in USA).

Certification BY the Russian Federal Security Service, NOT the BSD
community..

>>> But FreeBSD doesn't certify anyone.
>>
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[KAYVEN RIESE]

On Sat, 31 Oct 2009, Vagner wrote:

>>  Thats not good news for you guys indeed.
>>  Correct if I'm wrong, but I guess its sounds like the one most certifiable (aka pay$ the most corrupt money -gets to be the certified-OS of choice in Russia. ?
>>  lets me guess - Bill Gates wins right?
>>  I hope not.
>> GL
>>  Rick.
>>
> Yes, you understood everything correctly. In Russia it's introduced as
> another of many ways to take money from organizations. But this is not
> correct:(( In Russia there are organizations representing the interests
> of the community - they sell to support itself freebsd. Why they do not
> work towards the legalization freebsd - don't understand. I want to find
> a way to freely choose FreeBSD as the primary server for organizations,
> but if things go further it will be impossible. Time to bring the
> systems in accordance with the laws - 1.01.2010

Okay, but what about flavors of Linux--Does the Russian government certify
any of those?

>
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[KAYVEN RIESE]

On Sun, 1 Nov 2009, Dag-Erling Smørgrav wrote:

> Rick N <solarux@...> writes:
>> I'm not sure if this helps but there is accepted "certs" for the BSD's.
>>
>>  http://www.bsdcertification.org/ -and it's fairly cheap.
>
> Completely irrelevant.  Vagner is talking about a requirement to certify
> the *software*, not the developers or admins.

Yeah.. "by the Russian government," not by the makers of FreeBSD


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[Oliver Fromme]

Hi,

>From what was quoted so far, it seems that the Russian
government requires software to be certified if it is
being used to handle "state secrets" (and other kinds
of restricted information of the government) and to
drive "environmentally hazardous facilities" (which
probably includes nuclear power plants, oil refineries
and the like).

I really don't see what's the big problem with that.
Many countries have regulations like that, and I even
think that they make sense (to a certain degree).

None of the quotes I have seen so far indicate that
FreeBSD cannot be used anymore for generic purposes
in the industry, let alone in private homes.

So please stop spreading FUD and crying wolf, people.
You're definitely not doing FreeBSD a favour.

Best regards
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[Igor Mozolevsky-2]

Incidentally, an unofficial translation to English can be found on
Hunton & Williams website [1].


1. http://www.hunton.com/files/tbl_s47Details/FileUpload265/1625/Privacy_Russia_White_Paper.pdf


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[Rick Nekus]

"...So please stop spreading FUD and crying wolf, people.
You're definitely not doing FreeBSD a favour...."

 

 Nobody was "trying" to spread FUD, or a disfavour to FreeBSD here Oli,

 

I simply didn't understand exactly what he meant early on in this thread, and still not exactly sure,

 but thanks for looking into these quotes.


Rick.

 

 

> Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2009 08:21:04 +0100
> From: olli@...
> To: freebsd-chat@...
> CC:
> Subject: Re: FreeBSD vs Russian's laws
>
> Hi,
>
> >From what was quoted so far, it seems that the Russian
> government requires software to be certified if it is
> being used to handle "state secrets" (and other kinds
> of restricted information of the government) and to
> drive "environmentally hazardous facilities" (which
> probably includes nuclear power plants, oil refineries
> and the like).
>
> I really don't see what's the big problem with that.
> Many countries have regulations like that, and I even
> think that they make sense (to a certain degree).
>
> None of the quotes I have seen so far indicate that
> FreeBSD cannot be used anymore for generic purposes
> in the industry, let alone in private homes.
>
> So please stop spreading FUD and crying wolf, people.
> You're definitely not doing FreeBSD a favour.
>
> Best regards
> Oliver
>
> --
> Oliver Fromme, secnetix GmbH & Co. KG, Marktplatz 29, 85567 Grafing b. M.
> Handelsregister: Registergericht Muenchen, HRA 74606, Geschäftsfuehrung:
> secnetix Verwaltungsgesellsch. mbH, Handelsregister: Registergericht Mün-
> chen, HRB 125758, Geschäftsführer: Maik Bachmann, Olaf Erb, Ralf Gebhart
>
> FreeBSD-Dienstleistungen, -Produkte und mehr: http://www.secnetix.de/bsd
>
> "I made up the term 'object-oriented', and I can tell you
> I didn't have C++ in mind."
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[KAYVEN RIESE]

On Mon, 2 Nov 2009, Igor Mozolevsky wrote:

> Incidentally, an unofficial translation to English can be found on
> Hunton & Williams website [1].
>
>
> 1. http://www.hunton.com/files/tbl_s47Details/FileUpload265/1625/Privacy_Russia_White_Paper.pdf

It looks to me it is talking about "operators" i.e. government buearocrats
on state systems talking about "personal data" which just means that the
government has records on you.

::phew::

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[Igor Mozolevsky-2]

2009/11/2 KAYVEN RIESE <kayve@...>:

> It looks to me it is talking about "operators" i.e. government buearocrats
> on state systems talking about "personal data" which just means that the
> government has records on you.

No, an "operator" is essentially anyone who processes data - Art. 3
§2, but I still don't see where the leap to "certified OS" is made...


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[KAYVEN RIESE]

On Mon, 2 Nov 2009, Igor Mozolevsky wrote:

> 2009/11/2 KAYVEN RIESE <kayve@...>:
>
>> It looks to me it is talking about "operators" i.e. government buearocrats
>> on state systems talking about "personal data" which just means that the
>> government has records on you.
>
> No, an "operator" is essentially anyone who processes data - Art. 3
> §2, but I still don't see where the leap to "certified OS" is made...

That is what I was looking at.. and from the use of "operator" in the rest
of the text, it seems it is mostly about the rights of a person regarding
a second party processing their data in some state data system.  The first
definition of operator under Article three is "a State authority,
municipal authority, .."  it seems to imply that it is concerned about
what happens to folks' personal data when it gets into the state (or
other, granted) system..

I agree.. I didn't quite read it down to the letter.. it is like 15 pages,
but I tried to read most of it.

A key definition for this particular worry is Article 3 9)..

personal data information system - an information system, consisting of
all the personal data kept in a database, and also the information
technologies and hardware, enabling processing of such personal data using
automated facilities or without the use of such facilities.

In Article 13 # 2

2. Federal Laws may establish special features of keeping records of
personal data in State or municipal personal data information systems,
including the use of various means of indicating that personal data
included in the corresponding State or municipal data information system
belong to a particular subject of personal data.

Now that sounds to me talking about some beaurocrats dealing with folks
coming into a government office.. and they are talking about what the
government is doing with their data.

Now the definition of operator does extend beyond "state and municipal,"
this is true.. umm.. but the spirit of all this..

Yeah.. Not seeing anybody needing to worry about their FBSD.  This
legislation looks to be on the citizen's side, in my estimation.. not
trying to regulate anything but folks who are authorized to snoop into
other folks' data.. er.. they talk about privacy somewhere.. but I am not
going to try to cite any more Articles just now.

>
>
> Cheers,
>
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