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Re: fdfullcd ISO, KINGSTON data traveler...sound drivers?

2009-11-23T10:05:36Z

Any idea which program gave the error95 message? I think it might be the
FORMAT or Fdisk program doing so, which means we'll need to figure out
how far your installation process got.
What you can do is manually run the FDISK program, create a "primary"
FAT16 (or FAT32) partition (instead of extended or logical partition),
set this created primary partition active, then reboot, then run FORMAT
C: and try the installation process again.
If that fails, also try running SYS C: right after the FORMAT step.
If fdisk/format/sys go right and the installation process afterwards
still goes wrong, please let us know. There's some tricky situations
sometimes.

Bernd

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Re: Calling soundblaster driver from C

2009-11-22T14:46:19Z

On 11/22/2009 10:16 PM, dos386 wrote:
>> Many PCs with a sound card seem to automatically route the
>> internal speaker to the sound card, but this one doesn't.
>>
> Hardware issue, not driver issue.
>
>
Indeed, but that doesn't solve the problem.
>> first attempt at solving the problem is to try the soundblaster driver that comes with FreeDOS 1.0
>>
> ??? file details ???
>
>
When installing FreeDOS, one of the messages that flashes by includes
the word "soundblaster". see below.
>> However, I have no idea how to do this in C.
>>
> To do what ?
>
>
I hope that this is a program that will allow me to write a C function
that will interface with a soundblaster compatible card to create a tone
of a specified frequency and duration. Up until now, I have simply
turned the PC internal speaker on and off at the desired frequency and
this was routed into the sound card and thus into the headphones. With
desktop PCs, we had the luxury of just wiring a headphone jack to the
internal speaker wires if this didn't happen, but this is a desperate
solution for a modern laptop. Thanks for any advice.

Jim

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fdfullcd ISO, KINGSTON data traveler...sound drivers?

2009-11-22T14:25:56Z

Hello Blair,
Recently I downloaded the fdfullCD, from the freedos webbsite....I had posted some questions, to the mailling list, also Eric, but later I noted when the disk boots, it says
if one has troubles, to e-mail you....
I seem to be haveing alot of trouble installing it...it boots ok..and starts the installation ok, how ever always at some point..it freezes, saying error 95... the one time I got almost everyithing installed...or appeared to be..the dos editor would not work..on that I got error bad CRC, b1de97eb should be ebf22a97.... ok,...well to start how could I change the autoexec, and config.sys...if the editor dosent work?...
The CD seems to be good, as if I run freedos (ODIN) from the cd everything works well.or seems too....so the problem seems to be in how it is installing...ok
I realize some of the trouble is I dont know much about this stuff...but I am learning...
Since I do not have internet at home...I can not just conect..and ask a question when ever I have a problem..I am useing a internet cafe at this time...so any way. since the Cd seemed to work fine..from the CD..I got the idea to
just copy all the directorys and files to a USB memorystick (kingstondataTraveler 4gb)..
I used windows explorer to do this....ok I need to back track a little...first I formatted the memory stick...useing the formatt/s...from odin on the CD..then tested the memory stick..
and it booted well... so I closed the particion where I putting the dos (odin)..and switched back to the particiont where I have windows..to run windows (vista)xp....and useing the explorer, opened the cd, copied each directory and sub directory,Ect..in the same order
...to the kingston....Well to my surprise, it works good...every thing works...when I boot with the kingston.....all I had to do is adjust the autoexec and configsys for me..
How ever copy the Kingston to the hard drive..did.. not work
well it dose sort of, but has to be done almost one file at a time....I lost my patience on that...so I just copied the packages/base to the hard drive...then unzipped all the files..
..and ODIN is running ok the editor, also the CD drivers..and Himem...and I dont get the bad CRC...stuff...However I am still wondering why the CD cannot install like it should...the error 95...sorry this note has gotten kind of long....if you want, and respond...I will be happy to send a more detailed note on the errors I got..,ect.......I am also sending a CC of this to the mailing list..I dont know if anyone will be interested or not. anyway if not the dont have to read it.
The one thing I am lacking, is I dont have any sound yet....I have a Game (Pac Man) that
uses Sound blaster,...Useing the DosBox..in windows...the game runs well, and has sound....how ever that is under windows..I have sound, and music,ext...
on the particion where I am putting Dos, I still am looking for a sound driver that works under ODIN ..or Dos...Sound Blaster,or imitation...if anyone has any suggestion or info
on this....ok well that is all for now...hopefullt I hear from you or somebody...if not, well thats ok..I wont keep bothering you all..as I am sure you are busy and so am I ..
any way thank you much..for makeing the software,freedos ,ect available.....and dont get me wrong...it is great software...just depending on the person..for example some one like me..it is kind a hard to figure out how to use it..(the software)..ok well thats all for now..

Garry Ricketson

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Re: Calling soundblaster driver from C

2009-11-22T03:16:48Z

> Many PCs with a sound card seem to automatically route the
> internal speaker to the sound card, but this one doesn't.

Hardware issue, not driver issue.

> first attempt at solving the problem is to try the soundblaster driver that comes with FreeDOS 1.0

??? file details ???

> However, I have no idea how to do this in C.

To do what ?

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Fwd: DOSLFN discussion on FreeDOS user list

2009-11-21T05:22:17Z

Hi Laaca,

please consider registering yourself to the user list as well if you want
to further discuss this or other issues there.

The first issue probably arises from an incorrect check for LFN functions,
or one DOSLFN doesn't support. (Does it work correctly in a Windows 4 DOS
box?) The second issue (collisions handled improperly) is only RAR32's
fault.

Regards,
Christian

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Betreff: DOSLFN discussion on FreeDOS user list
Datum: Sat, 21 Nov 2009 12:44:14 +0100

Hi!
I read the discussion about problems with DOSLFN in particular situations
in FreeDOS. The described example is quite hard to reproduce but I know
another one and much easier to track.

DOSLFN doesn't work properly with RAR32 for DOS and OS/2.
If archive contains long file names they are truncated into 8+3 names and
the name collisions aren't properly treated.
If you want to decopress such archives you have to use the windows console
version which fortunately runs perfectly under HX.
(Note that this trick fixes also another problem of DOS version of RAR -
the unability to run on computers with 512 and more MB RAM)

I am not registered to FreeDOS users list (I am only at developers list)
so, please, forward this message into it.

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Re: Help with Ethernet/Wattcp

2009-11-20T07:38:01Z

Thanks for the help. Apparently the only thing I needed to change was in the Protocol.ini file. I changed the value of chainvec from 0x66 to 0x68 and then all is well (at least for now). It was working before, so I don't know what about the old hardware would make it work with the wrong value.
Andrew

Ulrich Hansen wrote:

ajouradnik schrieb:

> I thought I had made the changes to the config and autoexec files to set the
> system to the new NIC (Realtek 8100B), but when I try to run any network
> software I get a "No Packet Driver Found" error.

Hi Andrew,

There is a packet driver for RTL8139 at:
<http://www.georgpotthast.de/sioux/packet.htm>

Try to use this driver for your card. Look here for more info about
the installation
<http://sourceforge.net/apps/mediawiki/freedos/index.php?title=Networking_FreeDOS_-_Packet_driver_installation>

There's also an official DOS driver from Realtek for the 8100B at:
<http://www.realtek.com.tw/downloads/downloadsView.aspx?Langid=1&PNid=14&PFid=6&Level=5&Conn=4&DownTypeID=3&GetDown=false>

Unfortunately this is not a packet driver but an NDIS driver. You can
use it as a packet driver anyway, but you need a converter. Look here
for more information about the installation:
<http://sourceforge.net/apps/mediawiki/freedos/index.php?title=Networking_FreeDOS_-_NDIS_driver_installation>

You may also want to check if the software interrupt / vector is
correct. AFAIK most WATTCP programs expect to find the driver at 0x60.
Other programs look f.i. at 0x61.

Good luck
Uli

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Calling soundblaster driver from C

2009-11-18T01:16:12Z

Hi folks,
I'm trying to get a Fujitsu E8410 to send a tone to the headphone output
instead of the internal speaker. Many PCs with a sound card seem to
automatically route the internal speaker to the sound card, but this one
doesn't. My first attempt at solving the problem is to try the
soundblaster driver that comes with FreeDOS 1.0. However, I have no idea
how to do this in C. Can anyone provide a pointer to some docs? Thanks.

Jim

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Re: Help with Ethernet/Wattcp

2009-11-17T16:28:14Z

ajouradnik schrieb:

> I thought I had made the changes to the config and autoexec files to set the
> system to the new NIC (Realtek 8100B), but when I try to run any network
> software I get a "No Packet Driver Found" error.

Hi Andrew,

There is a packet driver for RTL8139 at:
<http://www.georgpotthast.de/sioux/packet.htm>

Try to use this driver for your card. Look here for more info about
the installation
<http://sourceforge.net/apps/mediawiki/freedos/index.php?title=Networking_FreeDOS_-_Packet_driver_installation>

There's also an official DOS driver from Realtek for the 8100B at:
<http://www.realtek.com.tw/downloads/downloadsView.aspx?Langid=1&PNid=14&PFid=6&Level=5&Conn=4&DownTypeID=3&GetDown=false>

Unfortunately this is not a packet driver but an NDIS driver. You can
use it as a packet driver anyway, but you need a converter. Look here
for more information about the installation:
<http://sourceforge.net/apps/mediawiki/freedos/index.php?title=Networking_FreeDOS_-_NDIS_driver_installation>

You may also want to check if the software interrupt / vector is
correct. AFAIK most WATTCP programs expect to find the driver at 0x60.
Other programs look f.i. at 0x61.

Good luck
Uli

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Help with Ethernet/Wattcp

2009-11-17T08:39:05Z

I have been working on updating some old hardware to a newer system, but seem to have hit a roadblock at the ethernet stage. The old system was running everything properly, but with the new hardware it apparently doesn't seem to find a packet driver. Both systems are 486-based boards running FreeDOS and I thought I had made the changes to the config and autoexec files to set the system to the new NIC (Realtek 8100B), but when I try to run any network software I get a "No Packet Driver Found" error. I don't know if it is the hardware or configuration or our software we are trying to run, but if anyone could provide some help, that would be great.
Andrew

Re: DOSLFN and File Wizard

2009-11-15T14:52:13Z

15-Nov-2009 числа в 01:50 часов, dos386 написал(а) следующее:

> > file corruption problems with DOSLFN which I had experienced
>
> I had got same problem (crosslinked files), also A.P. (author of
> MPXPLAY) discourages writing with DOSLFN.
>
> > Advice is: try to use "doslfnms" instead of "doslfn".
>
> What is it ???

It is DOSLFNMS.COM.
MD5 (DOSLFNMS.COM) = 2841b95fccf0edc191f71ad34c7cda9a
DOSLFNMS is intended for use with MS-DOS 7 (but may also work with
FreeDOS) and also has some features removed to reduce its size:
- doesn't disable itself when starting Windows;
- doesn't recognise codepage changes;
- doesn't handle double-byte character sets.

> http://www-user.tu-chemnitz.de/~heha/viewzip.cgi/hs_freeware/doslfnjh.zip/readme.txt?auto=TXT
What is it?

> BTW, my (well known) advice is: don't use DOSLFN :-|
Then your FreeDOS will loss such useful LFN ability. :-)

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Re: DOSLFN and File Wizard

2009-11-15T06:45:49Z

> BTWW, King Udo (EDR-DOS maintainer) reportedly uses it and is happy
> (the only one user ???), possibly the problems occur with FreeDOS
> only, not with EDR-DOS. No idea why and no ambition to debug this type
> of problem :-|

I'm using it too on MS-DOS (for both read and write access) and it didn't
corrupt anything yet. The way DOSLFN is implemented however is messy; it
depends on DOS's behaviour (it was developed on MS-DOS 6.22 and 7.10).
Either DOSLFN depends on something it shouldn't, or the FreeDOS kernel
fails to behave similar to MS-DOS somewhere. (Or both.) A FreeDOS kernel
developer would have to work through the DOSLFN source to check this.

Regards,
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Re: DOSLFN and File Wizard

2009-11-15T01:50:35Z

> file corruption problems with DOSLFN which I had experienced

I had got same problem (crosslinked files), also A.P. (author of
MPXPLAY) discourages writing with DOSLFN.

> Advice is: try to use "doslfnms" instead of "doslfn".

What is it ???

http://www-user.tu-chemnitz.de/~heha/viewzip.cgi/hs_freeware/doslfnjh.zip/readme.txt?auto=TXT

BTW, my (well known) advice is: don't use DOSLFN :-|

BTWW, King Udo (EDR-DOS maintainer) reportedly uses it and is happy
(the only one user ???), possibly the problems occur with FreeDOS
only, not with EDR-DOS. No idea why and no ambition to debug this type
of problem :-|

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Re: website design

2009-11-14T17:31:10Z

Thanks Bonnie. There are others who volunteered as well, so our plan is to have the community vote on what they like. I hope you don't mind.

Pat

On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 2:41 PM, Bonnie Dalzell <bdalzell@...> wrote:

I do web sites and graphics

I do not do css from scratch or java script however.

I would be happy to redo the freedos website if you need it done as long
as you do not want java scripts or complex css. i am a regular FreeDos
user with no programming skills other than website design to contribut to
the project.

Some of my web sites are in the address line below

It appears to me that the site at www.freedos.or is based on a standard
wiki template. it appears pretty easy to navigate. what is wrong with it
in the opinion of the users?

Although I do not do css from scratch I can tweak subsections of a css
page.

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Re: Update,and info,problems

2009-11-14T16:42:01Z

Hello, Eric, and al readers,...
Just a few days ago, I posted in the new letter...but was really vague, and alot has changed,
Since I have no access for internet, I am useing a internet cafe..and never have much chance,
I down loaded and installed the fdfullcd.iso.., and as I mentioned allthough it booted could not complete the install, as it always terminated with an ERROR 95....
how ever, later I selected the minimal install, the basic files...they seemed to install good,completed the installation,but the Edit, still dose not work..I am getting error BAD CRC...b1de97eb should be ebf22a97....
Note: since I already also had the FDbasedcd.ISO and had opened and copied it ..I put that back in as the edit works well....it is kinda hard to explain all this....
Any way, I have managed to get my autoexec, and config.sys straightened out..too
where the cdrom dose work, I got 2 cd rom drives..it reads both well....
and also the HIMEM.exe is working....I am still trying to get sound...I just downloaded a sound driver, but i am not sure if its correct or will work....
I have freedos, in its own particion completely separate from windows, when I use windows, I have to disactivate and hide the freedos partition, and activate the windows...
If I dont hide the Dos partition, windows is extremely slow,almost dose not run..I mostly am just useing the dos partition..I really dont have much interest in windows,anyway...
To avoid getting to long, here... what I need to no is what is CRC ?...and how can I correct it....I am getting alot of bad CRCs...with various number codes..not only just with the edit
....
Here is some info on my computor: IBM
CPU Intel 4cpu 1.70gh
velocidad CPU 1.70 6hz
video active Brookdale Graphics chip
sound support active
disk A: 1.44
Unit IDE 0 =40,0060 mb
" "    " 1= 4 gb (4,000mb)
            2= cd/dvdROM
            3=CDDVD ROM
model 8305TWS
EEPROM 24KT28ASP
Nivel de Revision Bloque (Revise Block)i am not surewhat this is..2428A
de Inicio                         boot(start)
bios date 10/09/02...Sytem UUID 8ea29682ac0c3e80ab4677aaaaa748
I dont know if it is 386, or 286..or what..that is why I selected just HIMEM for the high memory device...any way Eric and all.. I really am impressed with the work thathas gone into this freedos,....and found when I studied the files, in the disk...alot of helpful info..
also the HELP,htm works well, .....I used your examples of the autoexec, and configsys..
as templates, but took out alot of stuff as it appears to be for various machines....
I am not a compiler, nor proffessional...this is a hobbie for me....however I like to learn more on all of it...I hope maybe with this info, you maybe can give me a Idea of the best config for my computer..on the bad CRCs,, if I knew what that ment..I might be able to correct it... bye for now..thanks evryone..for your patience,,,,

GarryRicketson@...

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Re: website design

2009-11-13T11:41:44Z

I do web sites and graphics

I do not do css from scratch or java script however.

I would be happy to redo the freedos website if you need it done as long
as you do not want java scripts or complex css. i am a regular FreeDos
user with no programming skills other than website design to contribut to
the project.

Some of my web sites are in the address line below

It appears to me that the site at www.freedos.or is based on a standard
wiki template. it appears pretty easy to navigate. what is wrong with it
in the opinion of the users?

Although I do not do css from scratch I can tweak subsections of a css
page.

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Re: Help us redesign www.freedos.org

2009-11-13T09:50:00Z

Actually, I did not think of it. Thanks.

Pat

On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 12:05 PM, Chris Schumann
<chris.schumann@...> wrote:

> On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 4:48 AM, Pat Villani <wb2gbf@...> wrote:
>> If you're a web designer or would like to try your hand at web
>> design, here's your chance. Help us update the FreeDOS web site
>> design!
> Was this submitted to the news sites, such as slashdot? Submitting to
> designer communities would be a good idea too.
>
> Chris
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Re: Help us redesign www.freedos.org

2009-11-13T09:05:53Z

On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 4:48 AM, Pat Villani <wb2gbf@...> wrote:
> If you're a web designer or would like to try your hand at web
> design, here's your chance. Help us update the FreeDOS web site
> design!
Was this submitted to the news sites, such as slashdot? Submitting to
designer communities would be a good idea too.

Chris

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Re: Freedos-user Digest, Vol 322, Issue 2

2009-11-12T20:07:07Z

Odin is out-dated, try a newer distro 1.0

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Strange apollo pro 133 chipset bios settings...

2009-11-12T01:31:26Z

I have a VIA Apollo Pro 133 chipset motherboard with a PIII 450 on
it.

There are some memory timing parameters in the bios as well as some
other parameters that include usb support, usb keyboard, usb mouse,
assign irq for usb, assign irq for vga. Should I be assigning
an IRQ for usb or vga? I'm trying to figure out why the nic locks
up under freedos, yet it works just fine in Windows 98SE and
MSDOS 6.22.

I tweaked the bios settings somehow and got the NIC to stop locking
up on ssh, but I didn't get it to work. Sadly, I don't remember what
I changed from the standard setup settings. I have my de220pt in
static non PNP mode configured for irq 9 and io 0x240. Now that
works when assign irq for vga and assign irq for usb are disabled.
I will also note that ACPI uses IRQ 9 where I wonder if that is why
I am having a problem under freedos? I've noticed that Windows 98SE
likes to lock up if it sits for a while.

I'm wondering if freedos understands modern and not so modern but newer
than the 386 bios settings? Clearly, some settings in the bios seem to
trip freedos up. I wish freedos had a more powerful version of
Microsoft diagnostics that understands bios settings which can help
one diagnose the bios having improper settings. After dos became
passee in the Win9x era and especially the WinXP era, irq sharing
and other bios level tweaks became prevalent. One of the problems
on PCs has been poor resource management and poor bus design. This
is one of the reasons why I wish that the Alpha had caught on, but
that is another subject altogether.

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Re: DOSLFN and File Wizard

2009-11-11T13:58:02Z

11-Nov-2009 числа в 11:32 часов, Marcos Favero Florence de Barros написал(а) следующее:

> Two months ago I sent a few messages about file corruption
> problems with DOSLFN which I had experienced back in 2008. Now
>
> /BANC/INSPECAO
> Has a large number of bad entries. (31/40)
>
> ./DOC/AMBI/DIVERS
> Has a large number of bad entries. (28/67)

I have the same problem. Advice is: try to use "doslfnms" instead of
"doslfn".

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DOSLFN and File Wizard

2009-11-11T05:55:03Z

Hi,

Two months ago I sent a few messages about file corruption
problems with DOSLFN which I had experienced back in 2008. Now
finally I could do some more testing. Here are the results.

The test was simple: compressing a couple of long-name files with
InfoZip, with help of the File Wizard file manager. This is what
I intended to do with DOSLFN, so this is what I tested.

After doing that, I ran DOSFSCK (two-pass mode), which found
numerous errors. The same kind of problem observed last year
occurred again. Damaged files were in folders (apparently)
unrelated to the tested files. This is an example of the DOSFSCK
screen output:

Checking files and directories.../BANC/SEG/COPIAS
Has a large number of bad entries. (31/39)

/BANC/INSPECAO
Has a large number of bad entries. (31/40)

./DOC/AMBI/DIVERS
Has a large number of bad entries. (28/67)

In addition to damaged files and folders, several undeletable
files and folders appeared, with names composed of illegal
characters.

I decided to run further tests using other file managers, because
of what Eric had said:

> Note that NDN or FileWizard might cause some troubles when
> used in together with DOSLFN etc, you never know?

So the file managers Connect and DosZip were tested for file
compression, decompression and deletion from archives. This time
everything went smoothly, and DOSFSCK did not detect any errors
afterwards. The test was repeated a couple of times.

The conclusion seems to be that the problem lies with the
combination of File Wizard, DOSLFN and perhaps InfoZip; they are
somehow incompatible.

I'm not asking the FreeDOS team to do anything about it, because
this doesn't seem to be a big priority, since it apparently
affects only File Wizard. I'm simply reporting the fact.

Regards,

Marcos

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Help us redesign www.freedos.org

2009-11-11T02:48:10Z

Hi all,

As you all know, the FreeDOS web site is run by volunteers, all of
which are programmers and not web designers. Now we're asking for
help. If you're a web designer or would like to try your hand at web
design, here's your chance. Help us update the FreeDOS web site
design!

Web designers can submit their design idea via email. We'll post the
top finalists and provide a way for people to vote for their favorite
new web design. In recognition, we'll provide a “Original site design
by <your name>” link in the footer. Our site gets tens of thousands of
hits per day, and that link will help you get seen. This could be a
resume-builder for you to break into web design, or a reference for
your portfolio if you're already a professional web designer.

If you're interested, details are at Jim Hall's blog:
http://www.freedos.org/jhall/ and at
http://sourceforge.net/userapps/wordpress/jhall1/2009/10/20/are-you-a-web-developer/
.

Thanks.

Pat

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,Installing bootCd fdodin....

2009-11-10T15:38:40Z

OOPs, I forgot to edit the subject line...

Ok, also, on the Cd,..the editor, and other prgrams, seem to work fine when run from the disskCD....and what did install, dose boot the computer...

thats it for now

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Subject: Re: Freedos-user Digest, Vol 322, Issue 2
To: freedos-user@...
Date: Tuesday, November 10, 2009, 5:25 PM

Hello again,

Last night I downloaded the Boot CD version fdodin...it booted well, but took a few trys,

but the installation did not go too well, It never did complete the whole installation....

Each time I tried, it did get a little farther...and finally almost most everything..when it abborts I always get the same message, ERROR 95..?...

the dos editor dose not work...I dont know if that is because it never completed the installation..or what...ok well thats about it for now...
Garry Ricketson

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Re: Freedos-user Digest, Vol 322, Issue 2

2009-11-10T15:25:54Z

Hello again,

Last night I downloaded the Boot CD version fdodin...it booted well, but took a few trys,

but the installation did not go too well, It never did complete the whole installation....

Each time I tried, it did get a little farther...and finally almost most everything..when it abborts I always get the same message, ERROR 95..?...

the dos editor dose not work...I dont know if that is because it never completed the installation..or what...ok well thats about it for now...
Garry Ricketson

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Re: [Freedos-devel] How can I help with FreeDOS 1.1?

2009-11-09T12:31:48Z

Eric Auer wrote:
> Thanks a lot! I think most needed at the moment is
> packaging of missing updates... Mateusz made a list
> about missing FDUPDATE items earlier this week:
>
So... does that mean that I should just start picking stuff from the
list and packaging it and submitting it? Or am I supposed to propose
something I want to package and wait for the "go ahead"?

- Joe

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Re: Freedos-/Need help on config.sys and autoexec.

2009-11-09T12:13:46Z

Hello,

Hope evryone is fine here, ok, well ,I have installed freedos ,into its own particion, and is a primary partition, boots well, and I managed to figure out on my own,the change I need to make in my autoexec.bat, to get a spanish key board funcioning good...but I cannot seem to figure out what I need to put in the config.sys, and or autoexec to get the cd drivers, or to load himem.exe..then I also would like to have sound..,,..whta do I need to do to install these devices or drivers?...sorry if I seem to be dummie, in relation to this stuff..I am...

I noted on the read me texts...they say one should know what they are doing..and I dont..

I know a little more now then before...but still have along way to go

P.S.. I really like the spfdisk program, this funcions real well..and has been very useful for me..and it was not hard to understan or figure out,....

ok well anyone can e-mail or post a answer here, ..I hope..

GarryRicketson@...

and thanks all of you ...I appreciate the work you are doing to develope this free dos..

..some time when I can, I would like to make a donation...or howq I can help? but dont know where I would send it

thanks again

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Re: Question about ripcord

2009-11-07T12:38:24Z

> There is a simple int21h AH=33h AL=FFh call you can make (no program I
> know of off hand that does it but from debug you should be able to get
> it easy) to get a pointer to the version string displayed at boot.
>
> Something like (completely untested, possibly simpler ways) this in
> debug:
> a
> mov ax, 33ff
> int 21
> <enter on blank line>
> t
> t
> r
> d <value in DS>:<value in AX>
>
> All it does is use a to switch debug to assembly mode, input the
> instructions to execute the kernel interrupt that returns the version
> string, then trace just those two instructions (do not run with g),
> display the registers so you can see the values returned in DS:AX, and
> then using those values display (dump) the data there.

The pointer is returned in the DX:AX register pair, not DS:AX. With
FreeDOS DEBUG, the registers can directly be used in the d command, too.
These lines can be entered on FreeDOS DEBUG's prompt then:

> a
> mov ax, 33ff
> int 21
>t
> t
> d dx:ax

The first ASCII zero (00 in the hex view) ends the returned string. Enter
a single "q" on DEBUG's prompt to exit DEBUG.

Regards,
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Re: Question about ripcord

2009-11-07T02:34:03Z

Op 7-11-2009 0:44, Joe Emenaker schreef:

Sure, it wouldn't work every time. And it would fail for anything which was run through and exe-compressor. But it would sure beat "strings myprog.exe | more", which is what I have to do right now.

how we love UPX (and use it extensively) :)

some programs were updated (like Edit 0.9something) and released without UPX-compression on the executable. For a moment I wondered why I lacked space on bootdisk..

Bernd

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Re: MSClient / EMM386 troubles..

2009-11-06T21:45:48Z

Here are my files. I have stripped them down as much as possible to just
create a simple boot case.

Any suggestions on what I should change here? With these configuration
files. If I do a dir a: without a disk in the drive, the system reboots.

I have been experimenting with the Veder.com disk to see what its config
looks like. Some reverse engineering required there.

Thanks,

-Ted

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FDonfig.sys:

LASTDRIVE=Z
BUFFERS=30,8
FILES=20
DOS=HIGH,UMB
DOSDATA=UMB
DEVICE=C:\FDOS\BIN\HIMEMX.EXE
DEVICE=C:\FDOS\BIN\JEMM386.EXE X=TEST
DEVICE=C:\net\ifshlp.sys

Autoexec.bat:
@echo off
SET dosdir=C:\FDOS
set PATH=C:\NET;%dosdir%\bin
set NLSPATH=%dosdir%\NLS
set HELPPATH=%dosdir%\HELP
set temp=%dosdir%\temp
set tmp=%dosdir%\temp
SET autofile=C:\autoexec.bat
SET CFGFILE=C:\fdconfig.sys
C:\NET\net initialize
C:\NET\nwlink
C:\NET\netbind.com
C:\NET\umb.com
C:\NET\tcptsr.exe
C:\NET\tinyrfc.exe
C:\NET\nmtsr.exe
C:\NET\emsbfr.exe
C:\NET\net start

Mem /c output:
Modules using memory below 1 MB:

Name Total Conventional Upper Memory
-------- ---------------- ---------------- ----------------
SYSTEM 15,136 (15K) 10,016 (10K) 5,120 (5K)
HIMEMX 2,128 (2K) 2,128 (2K) 0 (0K)
IFSHLP 3,968 (4K) 3,968 (4K) 0 (0K)
COMMAND 3,296 (3K) 3,024 (3K) 272 (0K)
PROTMAN 400 (0K) 400 (0K) 0 (0K)
EL90X 28,560 (28K) 28,560 (28K) 0 (0K)
NWLINK 10,144 (10K) 10,144 (10K) 0 (0K)
PROTMAN 2,560 (3K) 2,560 (3K) 0 (0K)
UMB 960 (1K) 272 (0K) 688 (1K)
TCPTSR 76,784 (75K) 76,784 (75K) 0 (0K)
TINYRFC 18,272 (18K) 18,272 (18K) 0 (0K)
NMTSR 6,160 (6K) 6,160 (6K) 0 (0K)
REDIR 110,240 (108K) 106,432 (104K) 3,808 (4K)
NDISHLP 1,440 (1K) 0 (0K) 1,440 (1K)
TCPDRV 1,328 (1K) 0 (0K) 1,328 (1K)
NEMM 672 (1K) 0 (0K) 672 (1K)
Free 416,944 (407K) 385,376 (376K) 31,568 (31K)

Memory Type Total Used Free
---------------- -------- -------- --------
Conventional 639K 263K 376K
Upper 44K 13K 31K
Reserved 341K 341K 0K
Extended (XMS) 523,008K 445K 522,563K
---------------- -------- -------- --------
Total memory 524,032K 1,062K 522,970K

Total under 1 MB 683K 276K 407K

Total Expanded (EMS) 32M (33,947,648 bytes)
Free Expanded (EMS) 32M (33,554,432 bytes)

Largest executable program size 376K (385,248 bytes)
Largest free upper memory block 13K ( 13,792 bytes)
FreeDOS is resident in the high memory area.

-----Original Message-----
From: Bernd Blaauw [mailto:bblaauw@...]
Sent: Friday, November 06, 2009 11:52 AM
To: freedos-user@...
Subject: Re: [Freedos-user] MSClient / EMM386 troubles..

Op 6-11-2009 18:05, Ted Larson schreef:
> Thanks for the reply. SCP or FTP or something else is my backup plan if I
can't get it working with some satisfaction. Setting it up contains its own
challenges, because I would need to go through the effort of setting up an
SCP server.
>
> I went and checked out JEMM. It crashes in a different manner. When
accessing an un-ready drive it just hangs the system.
>
> I did notice something though....it says UMB's unavailable when I load it.
Something tells me that is a problem for sure. I have found I must load it
with an X=TEST option or when I load ifshlp.sys, it crashes with an illegal
opcode error in JEMM386.
>
> Any other suggestions?
>
> Thanks,
>
> -Ted
>
>

http://www.veder.com/nwdsk/ or www.nu2.nu contain MS Client in a running
state to my knowledge, been a while since I've used those, or MS Client
(let alone in combination with JEMMEX and/or FreeDOS kernel 2039).
Would you be able to tell us the contents of your CONFIG.SYS and
AUTOEXEC.BAT files, as well as giving a listing of the MEM /C output?

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Re: Question about ripcord

2009-11-06T15:44:00Z

Kenneth J. Davis wrote:

On 11/6/09, Bernd Blaauw bblaauw@... wrote:

Op 6-11-2009 20:33, Joe Emenaker schreef:

1 - Is it just inspecting the meta-data installed with the packages?
If it is, then isn't that a function which should be rolled into FPKG?
Also, if it is, is it verifying any MD5 or CRC values to make sure
that the binary hasn't been replaced by the user?

No idea, didn't look at the sourcecode. To me it looked like a
pre-defined list that was internally kept, then compiled into this
program. The program is pretty old, from beta8 or beta9 era.

I would not use it; the existing version does use hard coded
information (and doubtful its been updated) as I never got beyond
including the LSMs in the packages, so never added the parsing logic
for a dynamic version display.

Well, here's something that I've been pondering. It wouldn't be tough to write a script to go through all of the FreeDOS packages, generate MD5 hashes from all of the binaries (or maybe *all* files which shouldn't change) and also note the version numbers from the LSM file contained therein. Because the 1.0 release of FreeDOS is the only real official one out there, we wouldn't have to go try to hunt down tons of old versions of packages. These could be put into some big database so that another tool could look up hashes and identify files.

There are a few other advantages that could be reaped from this. In Debian linux, the packages contain a list of all of the MD5's for all non-config files for the package. So, it can be used to catch files which had been modified by viruses (like tripwire for unix)... unless someone writes a virus which goes and updates the MD5 lists. Another handy feature (again, there's a tool in Debian which does this) is that, if there's a list of all of the files that came with a package, we could have a tool which could find stray files which aren't part of any package.

Does this strike anybody as having any kind of merit, or is this just a dumb idea? Given how there's been recent discussion regarding changing the package format (to include binaries and sources, for example), I figure this would be as good a time as any to make any other improvements to the package format.

2 - I was thinking of writing a little program which would be sort of
like a smart version of STRINGS.EXE (is there a FreeDOS package for
that, by the way?) which would find the strings inside of an EXE or
COM file, select the most "version numbery" of them, and report that.
Is there already a tool that does that?

Don't think so. FreeDOS developers have used/defined many different
version numbering methods for their own programs.

no and it would be difficult to get correct as there is no
standarization for versions, some programs may use basic integers,
other multiple separated numbers, others dates, names or usually some
combination of these

True. There'd have to be some kind of fuzzy logic, where it finds different candidate strings and promotes or demotes their probability based upon:
1 - Single or pairs of numbers separated by dots... optionally appended by some alpha chars, like "MyProg 3.02" or "MyProg 3.02pre"
2 - Containing something which looks like a date, "MyProg 3.02pre 2008-02-03"
3 - Containing a string that matches the name of the exe, like "MYPROG.EXE" having "MyProg 3.02".

Sure, it wouldn't work every time. And it would fail for anything which was run through and exe-compressor. But it would sure beat "strings myprog.exe | more", which is what I have to do right now.

- Joe

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Re: Question about ripcord

2009-11-06T14:27:14Z

On 11/6/09, Bernd Blaauw <bblaauw@...> wrote:
> Op 6-11-2009 20:33, Joe Emenaker schreef:
> > 1 - Is it just inspecting the meta-data installed with the packages?
> > If it is, then isn't that a function which should be rolled into FPKG?
> > Also, if it is, is it verifying any MD5 or CRC values to make sure
> > that the binary hasn't been replaced by the user?
> No idea, didn't look at the sourcecode. To me it looked like a
> pre-defined list that was internally kept, then compiled into this
> program. The program is pretty old, from beta8 or beta9 era.

I would not use it; the existing version does use hard coded
information (and doubtful its been updated) as I never got beyond
including the LSMs in the packages, so never added the parsing logic
for a dynamic version display.

>
> > 2 - I was thinking of writing a little program which would be sort of
> > like a smart version of STRINGS.EXE (is there a FreeDOS package for
> > that, by the way?) which would find the strings inside of an EXE or
> > COM file, select the most "version numbery" of them, and report that.
> > Is there already a tool that does that?
>
> Don't think so. FreeDOS developers have used/defined many different
> version numbering methods for their own programs.

no and it would be difficult to get correct as there is no
standarization for versions, some programs may use basic integers,
other multiple separated numbers, others dates, names or usually some
combination of these

>
> > 3 - Is there a way to find out the version of the kernel that's
> > currently running? I keep a few different kernels as I try to figure
> > out which one best suits my needs... but I sometimes forget which one
> > I booted.
>
> ver /r , but doubt that tells the full story. I remember Bart Oldeman
> (kernel developer) mentioning some RERROR tool that would save a
> screenshot of fresh booted kernel messages into a textfile. Can't find
> the program anymore, it's as hidden as Lucho's TUNZ (Tiny UNZipper)
> project nowadays.
>
> Bernd
>

There is a simple int21h AH=33h AL=FFh call you can make (no program I
know of off hand that does it but from debug you should be able to get
it easy) to get a pointer to the version string displayed at boot.

Something like (completely untested, possibly simpler ways) this in debug:
a
mov ax, 33ff
int 21
<enter on blank line>
t
t
r
d <value in DS>:<value in AX>

All it does is use a to switch debug to assembly mode, input the
instructions to execute the kernel interrupt that returns the version
string, then trace just those two instructions (do not run with g),
display the registers so you can see the values returned in DS:AX, and
then using those values display (dump) the data there.

Jeremy

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Re: MSClient / EMM386 troubles..

2009-11-06T11:51:43Z

Op 6-11-2009 18:05, Ted Larson schreef:

> Thanks for the reply. SCP or FTP or something else is my backup plan if I can't get it working with some satisfaction. Setting it up contains its own challenges, because I would need to go through the effort of setting up an SCP server.
>
> I went and checked out JEMM. It crashes in a different manner. When accessing an un-ready drive it just hangs the system.
>
> I did notice something though....it says UMB's unavailable when I load it. Something tells me that is a problem for sure. I have found I must load it with an X=TEST option or when I load ifshlp.sys, it crashes with an illegal opcode error in JEMM386.
>
> Any other suggestions?
>
> Thanks,
>
> -Ted
>
>

http://www.veder.com/nwdsk/ or www.nu2.nu contain MS Client in a running
state to my knowledge, been a while since I've used those, or MS Client
(let alone in combination with JEMMEX and/or FreeDOS kernel 2039).
Would you be able to tell us the contents of your CONFIG.SYS and
AUTOEXEC.BAT files, as well as giving a listing of the MEM /C output?

Bernd

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Re: Question about ripcord

2009-11-06T11:47:01Z

Op 6-11-2009 20:33, Joe Emenaker schreef:
> 1 - Is it just inspecting the meta-data installed with the packages?
> If it is, then isn't that a function which should be rolled into FPKG?
> Also, if it is, is it verifying any MD5 or CRC values to make sure
> that the binary hasn't been replaced by the user?
No idea, didn't look at the sourcecode. To me it looked like a
pre-defined list that was internally kept, then compiled into this
program. The program is pretty old, from beta8 or beta9 era.

> 2 - I was thinking of writing a little program which would be sort of
> like a smart version of STRINGS.EXE (is there a FreeDOS package for
> that, by the way?) which would find the strings inside of an EXE or
> COM file, select the most "version numbery" of them, and report that.
> Is there already a tool that does that?

Don't think so. FreeDOS developers have used/defined many different
version numbering methods for their own programs.

> 3 - Is there a way to find out the version of the kernel that's
> currently running? I keep a few different kernels as I try to figure
> out which one best suits my needs... but I sometimes forget which one
> I booted.

ver /r , but doubt that tells the full story. I remember Bart Oldeman
(kernel developer) mentioning some RERROR tool that would save a
screenshot of fresh booted kernel messages into a textfile. Can't find
the program anymore, it's as hidden as Lucho's TUNZ (Tiny UNZipper)
project nowadays.

Bernd

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Question about ripcord

2009-11-06T11:33:12Z

So, I discovered RIPCORD last night, the tool that reports the version
numbers of all of the programs on your machine. Got a few questions:

1 - Is it just inspecting the meta-data installed with the packages? If
it is, then isn't that a function which should be rolled into FPKG?
Also, if it is, is it verifying any MD5 or CRC values to make sure that
the binary hasn't been replaced by the user?

2 - I was thinking of writing a little program which would be sort of
like a smart version of STRINGS.EXE (is there a FreeDOS package for
that, by the way?) which would find the strings inside of an EXE or COM
file, select the most "version numbery" of them, and report that. Is
there already a tool that does that?

3 - Is there a way to find out the version of the kernel that's
currently running? I keep a few different kernels as I try to figure out
which one best suits my needs... but I sometimes forget which one I booted.

- Joe

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Re: MSClient / EMM386 troubles..

2009-11-06T09:05:10Z

Thanks for the reply. SCP or FTP or something else is my backup plan if I can't get it working with some satisfaction. Setting it up contains its own challenges, because I would need to go through the effort of setting up an SCP server.

I went and checked out JEMM. It crashes in a different manner. When accessing an un-ready drive it just hangs the system.

I did notice something though....it says UMB's unavailable when I load it. Something tells me that is a problem for sure. I have found I must load it with an X=TEST option or when I load ifshlp.sys, it crashes with an illegal opcode error in JEMM386.

Any other suggestions?

Thanks,

-Ted

-----Original Message-----
From: Mateusz Viste [mailto:mateusz@...]
Sent: Friday, November 06, 2009 12:40 AM
To: freedos-user@...
Subject: Re: [Freedos-user] MSClient / EMM386 troubles..

On Friday 06 November 2009 02:03 (CET), Ted Larson wrote:
> However, I ran into a slight hiccup trying to configure the MSCLIENT on it,
> so I could connect to a Windows Server share. It works..kinda.

Just for the record - note, that MSCLIENT is a memory hog. To send files over the network, you could consider using SCP.

> Once it is
> loaded, if I try to access any drive that is not ready..like the A:
> drive without a disk in it...EMM386 crashes with an error like this:

Have you tried to use the latest version of JEMM? The regular EMM386 is a bit outdated, and has been (more or less) forked by JEMM. You could also try JEMMEX, which inculdes both all EMM handlings plus integrated XMS memory management (you would save a few bytes of memory here and there that way).

Best regards,
Mateusz Viste
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