Full 1.7 Install -> "Insufficient disk space to repair security descriptor at index $SII for file 9"

[Stephen M. Kenton]

This seems to be a repeatable problem so I'm reporting it FYI

I have a dual boot Linux/Windows XP Pro box which normally runs Linux,
but the wireless card died and it turns out my replacement card does not
really work with Linux so I booted into Windows which did work with card
so I could get on-line to chase down the driver problem.

While I was there I decided to try Cygwin 1.7 and I did a new install of
everything. Shortly after it finished installing I got a strange return
from a "find" command so I scheduled a scan disk and rebooted so it
could run. There were 20GB free on disk, but I got a couple of messages
(paraphrased) about "Insufficient disk space to repair security
descriptor at index $SII for file 9" and index "$SDH for file9".

I thought it might be unrelated to Cygwin 1.7 so I fired up the
re-install partition and imaged Windows Pro back on to the disk and then
let it patch itself up to SP3 and what-ever that Windows update wanted.
Then I scheduled a scan disk and rebooted and observed that it ran
cleanly. After which I reinstalled Open Office, FireFox and Thunderbird
and repeated the scan disk which was again clean.

At that point I again did a Cygwin 1.7 full install of everything. to
c:\cygwin with everything defaults using http from the kernel.org
repository. I fired up an X terminal for a few seconds then closed it,
shutdown X and scheduled a scandisk and rebooted. As far as I can tell
it got exactly the same error messages down to the index and file
numbers. Afterwards attempting to start Windows would crash and return
to the Bios POST screen and repeat.

Not sure what to make of it, but if anyone has questions/suggestions I'm
willing to help try and chase it down. In the mean time I have rebuilt
and patched XP Pro etc. but not installed Cygwin 1.7 or 1.5 while I go
back to working on the Linux driver issue.

Steve


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[Larry Hall (Cygwin)]

Stephen M. Kenton wrote:

> This seems to be a repeatable problem so I'm reporting it FYI
>
> I have a dual boot Linux/Windows XP Pro box which normally runs Linux,
> but the wireless card died and it turns out my replacement card does not
> really work with Linux so I booted into Windows which did work with card
> so I could get on-line to chase down the driver problem.
>
> While I was there I decided to try Cygwin 1.7 and I did a new install of
> everything. Shortly after it finished installing I got a strange return
> from a "find" command so I scheduled a scan disk and rebooted so it
> could run. There were 20GB free on disk, but I got a couple of messages
> (paraphrased) about "Insufficient disk space to repair security
> descriptor at index $SII for file 9" and index "$SDH for file9".
>
> I thought it might be unrelated to Cygwin 1.7 so I fired up the
> re-install partition and imaged Windows Pro back on to the disk and then
> let it patch itself up to SP3 and what-ever that Windows update wanted.
> Then I scheduled a scan disk and rebooted and observed that it ran
> cleanly. After which I reinstalled Open Office, FireFox and Thunderbird
> and repeated the scan disk which was again clean.
>
> At that point I again did a Cygwin 1.7 full install of everything. to
> c:\cygwin with everything defaults using http from the kernel.org
> repository. I fired up an X terminal for a few seconds then closed it,
> shutdown X and scheduled a scandisk and rebooted. As far as I can tell
> it got exactly the same error messages down to the index and file
> numbers. Afterwards attempting to start Windows would crash and return
> to the Bios POST screen and repeat.
>
> Not sure what to make of it, but if anyone has questions/suggestions I'm
> willing to help try and chase it down. In the mean time I have rebuilt
> and patched XP Pro etc. but not installed Cygwin 1.7 or 1.5 while I go
> back to working on the Linux driver issue.

Good idea. ;-)

Sounds to me like it could be a hardware or file system issue which
coincidentally you see surface after you install and run Cygwin.  Cygwin
apps work in user space and can't crash Windows unless they happen to
tickle an O/S bug or other external instability.

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[Dave Korn-6]

Larry Hall (Cygwin) wrote:
> Stephen M. Kenton wrote:

>> While I was there I decided to try Cygwin 1.7 and I did a new install
>> of everything. Shortly after it finished installing I got a strange
>> return from a "find" command so I scheduled a scan disk and rebooted
>> so it could run. There were 20GB free on disk, but I got a couple of
>> messages (paraphrased) about "Insufficient disk space to repair
>> security descriptor at index $SII for file 9" and index "$SDH for file9".

  Was the partition created and/or formatted from the Linux side, using
ntfstools for example, before windows was installed to it?  Or did you use the
format option in the windows installer?

> Sounds to me like it could be a hardware or file system issue which
> coincidentally you see surface after you install and run Cygwin.  Cygwin
> apps work in user space and can't crash Windows unless they happen to
> tickle an O/S bug or other external instability.

  Cygwin doesn't use raw block I/O to write corrupted disk block structures to
your HD, that's for sure.  But one thing it does do that's a bit unusual is to
create a hell of a lot of ACLs, compared to a standard windows installation
where most stuff doesn't have a custom ACL and just inherits from the
directory tree.  I wonder if for some reason this drive got formatted in a
funny way that didn't leave enough room for entries in the security descriptor
database special files?

    cheers,
      DaveK

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[Dave Korn-6]

Dave Korn wrote:
> Larry Hall (Cygwin) wrote:
>> Stephen M. Kenton wrote:
>
>>> While I was there I decided to try Cygwin 1.7 and I did a new install
>>> of everything. Shortly after it finished installing I got a strange
>>> return from a "find" command so I scheduled a scan disk and rebooted
>>> so it could run. There were 20GB free on disk, but I got a couple of
>>> messages (paraphrased) about "Insufficient disk space to repair
>>> security descriptor at index $SII for file 9" and index "$SDH for file9".

  This looks a _lot_ like http://support.microsoft.com/kb/327009:
"Chkdsk Finds Incorrect Security IDs After You Restore or Copy a Lot of Data"

  Running setup.exe and doing a full install sounds like restoring or copying
a lot of data to me.  That KB only mentions the problem arising on W2k; I
think you might need to tell MS that you can reproduce it on XP.

    cheers,
      DaveK

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[Dave Korn-6]

Dave Korn wrote:

> Dave Korn wrote:
>> Larry Hall (Cygwin) wrote:
>>> Stephen M. Kenton wrote:
>>>> While I was there I decided to try Cygwin 1.7 and I did a new install
>>>> of everything. Shortly after it finished installing I got a strange
>>>> return from a "find" command so I scheduled a scan disk and rebooted
>>>> so it could run. There were 20GB free on disk, but I got a couple of
>>>> messages (paraphrased) about "Insufficient disk space to repair
>>>> security descriptor at index $SII for file 9" and index "$SDH for file9".
>
>   This looks a _lot_ like http://support.microsoft.com/kb/327009:
> "Chkdsk Finds Incorrect Security IDs After You Restore or Copy a Lot of Data"

  BTW, that gives you a workaround: don't install it all in one go.  Download
it all to your local package dir the first time you run setup.  Then run it
again and just install the default packages from your local package dir.  Then
run it again a few times, and add more bits and pieces in a few more passes,
watching out to not install too much in one go; probably better add X11 in a
run all by itself.

    cheers,
      DaveK


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[Dave Korn-6]

Dave Korn wrote:
>   This looks a _lot_ like http://support.microsoft.com/kb/327009:

  The colon is not part of the URL, it was just punctuation.  Here's a more
easily clickable one:

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/327009

    cheers,
      DaveK

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