Future emails

[Jeremey Wise]

I have an issue that I have now have emails showing up 1hour in the
future. This is an issue as all emails are CC'd into a Notes DB to track
customer history of email threads etc, and it breaks the DB ordering if
someone else answers questions.

I have verified that if I use OWA via Firefox on my SuSE box it works
fine. I have verified that my time zone on the OS level is set to
New_York EDT and NTP is functioning correctly. I have verified settings
in evolution are using EST New_York.

I have verified that if I parse the "sent" mail the time stamp is
correct but it is definatly an evolution thing.

It would appear if you parse the emails (attached) that Evolution is not
doing the correct offset for daylight savings when it sends email.


My time settings in Edit->Preferances->Calendar and Tasks-> Time Zone
is :America/New_York

No option for Daylight or no Daylight specifically.

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Thanks,

Jeremey Wise
jeremey.wise@...

All opinions or information expressed here are personal in nature and do
not reflect the official position of Agilysys Inc.

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[Not Zed]

Hmm, both of those messages are identical within a few minutes.

What time, exactly, are you talking about?

Also, FWIW, the mailer only uses your system timezone.

>From the 'bad' message:

Received: from 172.27.16.164 ([172.27.16.164]) by dcex1.pios.com
        ([172.25.15.51]) with Microsoft Exchange Server HTTP-DAV ; Tue,
23 Aug 2005
        11:11:14 -0500

^^ this machine has added 1 hour

Received: from wizej by DCEX1.pios.com; 23 Aug 2005 11:11:15 -0400

^^ this machine hasn't

Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 11:11:14 -0400

^^ and evolution matches it


>From the 'good' message

Received: by dcex1  id <01C5A7F4.D7899254@dcex1>; Tue, 23 Aug 2005
11:10:47
        -0400
Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 11:10:17 -0400

^^ they both have matching dates and timezones.

The received header is created by the receiving machine, so since the
first receiver in the first message has assigned a different timezone,
i'd say that is at fault.  Either that, or all the other machines are.

BTW it's definitely.

On Tue, 2005-08-23 at 11:14 -0400, Jeremey Wise wrote:

> I have an issue that I have now have emails showing up 1hour in the
> future. This is an issue as all emails are CC'd into a Notes DB to track
> customer history of email threads etc, and it breaks the DB ordering if
> someone else answers questions.
>
> I have verified that if I use OWA via Firefox on my SuSE box it works
> fine. I have verified that my time zone on the OS level is set to
> New_York EDT and NTP is functioning correctly. I have verified settings
> in evolution are using EST New_York.
>
> I have verified that if I parse the "sent" mail the time stamp is
> correct but it is definatly an evolution thing.
>
> It would appear if you parse the emails (attached) that Evolution is not
> doing the correct offset for daylight savings when it sends email.
>
>
> My time settings in Edit->Preferances->Calendar and Tasks-> Time Zone
> is :America/New_York
>
> No option for Daylight or no Daylight specifically.
>
> _______________________________________________
> evolution maillist  -  evolution@...
> http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/evolution

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[Jeremey Wise]

So the question still stands. What is the resolution to fix Evolution.
As you saw in the email the time offset is wrong. I can't be the system
as I have also done a test of mail directly from the OS and it shows up
fine from a timeset ( echo stupid > mail -s test_from_SuSE_Shell
jeremey.wise@...)

All tests show that my system and OS time and the server time is not the
issue. Evolution seems to continue some kind of offset that causes this
issue.

so where is this offset change coming from?
23 Aug 2005
11:11:14 -0500
11:10:47 -0400

On Wed, 2005-08-24 at 10:08 +0800, Not Zed wrote:

> Hmm, both of those messages are identical within a few minutes.
>
> What time, exactly, are you talking about?
>
> Also, FWIW, the mailer only uses your system timezone.
>
> >From the 'bad' message:
>
> Received: from 172.27.16.164 ([172.27.16.164]) by dcex1.pios.com
>         ([172.25.15.51]) with Microsoft Exchange Server HTTP-DAV ; Tue,
> 23 Aug 2005
>         11:11:14 -0500
>
> ^^ this machine has added 1 hour
>
> Received: from wizej by DCEX1.pios.com; 23 Aug 2005 11:11:15 -0400
>
> ^^ this machine hasn't
>
> Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 11:11:14 -0400
>
> ^^ and evolution matches it
>
>
> >From the 'good' message
>
> Received: by dcex1  id <01C5A7F4.D7899254@dcex1>; Tue, 23 Aug 2005
> 11:10:47
>         -0400
> Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 11:10:17 -0400
>
> ^^ they both have matching dates and timezones.
>
> The received header is created by the receiving machine, so since the
> first receiver in the first message has assigned a different timezone,
> i'd say that is at fault.  Either that, or all the other machines are.
>
> BTW it's definitely.
>
> On Tue, 2005-08-23 at 11:14 -0400, Jeremey Wise wrote:
> > I have an issue that I have now have emails showing up 1hour in the
> > future. This is an issue as all emails are CC'd into a Notes DB to track
> > customer history of email threads etc, and it breaks the DB ordering if
> > someone else answers questions.
> >
> > I have verified that if I use OWA via Firefox on my SuSE box it works
> > fine. I have verified that my time zone on the OS level is set to
> > New_York EDT and NTP is functioning correctly. I have verified settings
> > in evolution are using EST New_York.
> >
> > I have verified that if I parse the "sent" mail the time stamp is
> > correct but it is definatly an evolution thing.
> >
> > It would appear if you parse the emails (attached) that Evolution is not
> > doing the correct offset for daylight savings when it sends email.
> >
> >
> > My time settings in Edit->Preferances->Calendar and Tasks-> Time Zone
> > is :America/New_York
> >
> > No option for Daylight or no Daylight specifically.
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > evolution maillist  -  evolution@...
> > http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/evolution

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Jeremey Wise
jeremey.wise@...

All opinions or information expressed here are personal in nature and do
not reflect the official position of Agilysys Inc.
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[Not Zed]

Umm, i showed direct evidence that it wasn't anything to do with
evolution.

"Date:" is the only header evolution creates, and they are all correct.


On Wed, 2005-08-24 at 10:21 -0400, Jeremey Wise wrote:

> So the question still stands. What is the resolution to fix Evolution.
> As you saw in the email the time offset is wrong. I can't be the system
> as I have also done a test of mail directly from the OS and it shows up
> fine from a timeset ( echo stupid > mail -s test_from_SuSE_Shell
> jeremey.wise@...)
>
> All tests show that my system and OS time and the server time is not the
> issue. Evolution seems to continue some kind of offset that causes this
> issue.
>
> so where is this offset change coming from?
> 23 Aug 2005
> 11:11:14 -0500
> 11:10:47 -0400
>
> On Wed, 2005-08-24 at 10:08 +0800, Not Zed wrote:
> > Hmm, both of those messages are identical within a few minutes.
> >
> > What time, exactly, are you talking about?
> >
> > Also, FWIW, the mailer only uses your system timezone.
> >
> > >From the 'bad' message:
> >
> > Received: from 172.27.16.164 ([172.27.16.164]) by dcex1.pios.com
> >         ([172.25.15.51]) with Microsoft Exchange Server HTTP-DAV ; Tue,
> > 23 Aug 2005
> >         11:11:14 -0500
> >
> > ^^ this machine has added 1 hour
> >
> > Received: from wizej by DCEX1.pios.com; 23 Aug 2005 11:11:15 -0400
> >
> > ^^ this machine hasn't
> >
> > Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 11:11:14 -0400
> >
> > ^^ and evolution matches it
> >
> >
> > >From the 'good' message
> >
> > Received: by dcex1  id <01C5A7F4.D7899254@dcex1>; Tue, 23 Aug 2005
> > 11:10:47
> >         -0400
> > Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 11:10:17 -0400
> >
> > ^^ they both have matching dates and timezones.
> >
> > The received header is created by the receiving machine, so since the
> > first receiver in the first message has assigned a different timezone,
> > i'd say that is at fault.  Either that, or all the other machines are.
> >
> > BTW it's definitely.
> >
> > On Tue, 2005-08-23 at 11:14 -0400, Jeremey Wise wrote:
> > > I have an issue that I have now have emails showing up 1hour in the
> > > future. This is an issue as all emails are CC'd into a Notes DB to track
> > > customer history of email threads etc, and it breaks the DB ordering if
> > > someone else answers questions.
> > >
> > > I have verified that if I use OWA via Firefox on my SuSE box it works
> > > fine. I have verified that my time zone on the OS level is set to
> > > New_York EDT and NTP is functioning correctly. I have verified settings
> > > in evolution are using EST New_York.
> > >
> > > I have verified that if I parse the "sent" mail the time stamp is
> > > correct but it is definatly an evolution thing.
> > >
> > > It would appear if you parse the emails (attached) that Evolution is not
> > > doing the correct offset for daylight savings when it sends email.
> > >
> > >
> > > My time settings in Edit->Preferances->Calendar and Tasks-> Time Zone
> > > is :America/New_York
> > >
> > > No option for Daylight or no Daylight specifically.
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > evolution maillist  -  evolution@...
> > > http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/evolution

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[Not Zed]

Your example messages are not the same in only 1 way - the path they
take to their destination.  That is the cause.  Not the client creating
the messages.

On Wed, 2005-08-24 at 22:52 +0800, Not Zed wrote:

> Umm, i showed direct evidence that it wasn't anything to do with
> evolution.
>
> "Date:" is the only header evolution creates, and they are all correct.
>
>
> On Wed, 2005-08-24 at 10:21 -0400, Jeremey Wise wrote:
> > So the question still stands. What is the resolution to fix Evolution.
> > As you saw in the email the time offset is wrong. I can't be the system
> > as I have also done a test of mail directly from the OS and it shows up
> > fine from a timeset ( echo stupid > mail -s test_from_SuSE_Shell
> > jeremey.wise@...)
> >
> > All tests show that my system and OS time and the server time is not the
> > issue. Evolution seems to continue some kind of offset that causes this
> > issue.
> >
> > so where is this offset change coming from?
> > 23 Aug 2005
> > 11:11:14 -0500
> > 11:10:47 -0400
> >
> > On Wed, 2005-08-24 at 10:08 +0800, Not Zed wrote:
> > > Hmm, both of those messages are identical within a few minutes.
> > >
> > > What time, exactly, are you talking about?
> > >
> > > Also, FWIW, the mailer only uses your system timezone.
> > >
> > > >From the 'bad' message:
> > >
> > > Received: from 172.27.16.164 ([172.27.16.164]) by dcex1.pios.com
> > >         ([172.25.15.51]) with Microsoft Exchange Server HTTP-DAV ; Tue,
> > > 23 Aug 2005
> > >         11:11:14 -0500
> > >
> > > ^^ this machine has added 1 hour
> > >
> > > Received: from wizej by DCEX1.pios.com; 23 Aug 2005 11:11:15 -0400
> > >
> > > ^^ this machine hasn't
> > >
> > > Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 11:11:14 -0400
> > >
> > > ^^ and evolution matches it
> > >
> > >
> > > >From the 'good' message
> > >
> > > Received: by dcex1  id <01C5A7F4.D7899254@dcex1>; Tue, 23 Aug 2005
> > > 11:10:47
> > >         -0400
> > > Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 11:10:17 -0400
> > >
> > > ^^ they both have matching dates and timezones.
> > >
> > > The received header is created by the receiving machine, so since the
> > > first receiver in the first message has assigned a different timezone,
> > > i'd say that is at fault.  Either that, or all the other machines are.
> > >
> > > BTW it's definitely.
> > >
> > > On Tue, 2005-08-23 at 11:14 -0400, Jeremey Wise wrote:
> > > > I have an issue that I have now have emails showing up 1hour in the
> > > > future. This is an issue as all emails are CC'd into a Notes DB to track
> > > > customer history of email threads etc, and it breaks the DB ordering if
> > > > someone else answers questions.
> > > >
> > > > I have verified that if I use OWA via Firefox on my SuSE box it works
> > > > fine. I have verified that my time zone on the OS level is set to
> > > > New_York EDT and NTP is functioning correctly. I have verified settings
> > > > in evolution are using EST New_York.
> > > >
> > > > I have verified that if I parse the "sent" mail the time stamp is
> > > > correct but it is definatly an evolution thing.
> > > >
> > > > It would appear if you parse the emails (attached) that Evolution is not
> > > > doing the correct offset for daylight savings when it sends email.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > My time settings in Edit->Preferances->Calendar and Tasks-> Time Zone
> > > > is :America/New_York
> > > >
> > > > No option for Daylight or no Daylight specifically.
> > > >
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > evolution maillist  -  evolution@...
> > > > http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/evolution

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[Jeremey Wise]

Hmm. Maybe the issue is that the time zone is set to New_York but no
mention of Daylight savings time etc.

On Wed, 2005-08-24 at 22:52 +0800, Not Zed wrote:

> Umm, i showed direct evidence that it wasn't anything to do with
> evolution.
>
> "Date:" is the only header evolution creates, and they are all correct.
>
>
> On Wed, 2005-08-24 at 10:21 -0400, Jeremey Wise wrote:
> > So the question still stands. What is the resolution to fix Evolution.
> > As you saw in the email the time offset is wrong. I can't be the system
> > as I have also done a test of mail directly from the OS and it shows up
> > fine from a timeset ( echo stupid > mail -s test_from_SuSE_Shell
> > jeremey.wise@...)
> >
> > All tests show that my system and OS time and the server time is not the
> > issue. Evolution seems to continue some kind of offset that causes this
> > issue.
> >
> > so where is this offset change coming from?
> > 23 Aug 2005
> > 11:11:14 -0500
> > 11:10:47 -0400
> >
> > On Wed, 2005-08-24 at 10:08 +0800, Not Zed wrote:
> > > Hmm, both of those messages are identical within a few minutes.
> > >
> > > What time, exactly, are you talking about?
> > >
> > > Also, FWIW, the mailer only uses your system timezone.
> > >
> > > >From the 'bad' message:
> > >
> > > Received: from 172.27.16.164 ([172.27.16.164]) by dcex1.pios.com
> > >         ([172.25.15.51]) with Microsoft Exchange Server HTTP-DAV ; Tue,
> > > 23 Aug 2005
> > >         11:11:14 -0500
> > >
> > > ^^ this machine has added 1 hour
> > >
> > > Received: from wizej by DCEX1.pios.com; 23 Aug 2005 11:11:15 -0400
> > >
> > > ^^ this machine hasn't
> > >
> > > Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 11:11:14 -0400
> > >
> > > ^^ and evolution matches it
> > >
> > >
> > > >From the 'good' message
> > >
> > > Received: by dcex1  id <01C5A7F4.D7899254@dcex1>; Tue, 23 Aug 2005
> > > 11:10:47
> > >         -0400
> > > Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 11:10:17 -0400
> > >
> > > ^^ they both have matching dates and timezones.
> > >
> > > The received header is created by the receiving machine, so since the
> > > first receiver in the first message has assigned a different timezone,
> > > i'd say that is at fault.  Either that, or all the other machines are.
> > >
> > > BTW it's definitely.
> > >
> > > On Tue, 2005-08-23 at 11:14 -0400, Jeremey Wise wrote:
> > > > I have an issue that I have now have emails showing up 1hour in the
> > > > future. This is an issue as all emails are CC'd into a Notes DB to track
> > > > customer history of email threads etc, and it breaks the DB ordering if
> > > > someone else answers questions.
> > > >
> > > > I have verified that if I use OWA via Firefox on my SuSE box it works
> > > > fine. I have verified that my time zone on the OS level is set to
> > > > New_York EDT and NTP is functioning correctly. I have verified settings
> > > > in evolution are using EST New_York.
> > > >
> > > > I have verified that if I parse the "sent" mail the time stamp is
> > > > correct but it is definatly an evolution thing.
> > > >
> > > > It would appear if you parse the emails (attached) that Evolution is not
> > > > doing the correct offset for daylight savings when it sends email.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > My time settings in Edit->Preferances->Calendar and Tasks-> Time Zone
> > > > is :America/New_York
> > > >
> > > > No option for Daylight or no Daylight specifically.
> > > >
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > evolution maillist  -  evolution@...
> > > > http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/evolution

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Thanks,

Jeremey Wise
jeremey.wise@...

All opinions or information expressed here are personal in nature and do
not reflect the official position of Agilysys Inc.
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[Jeffrey Stedfast]

that setting is calendar-only. the mailer uses the system time and the
system timezone

Jeremey Wise wrote:

>Hmm. Maybe the issue is that the time zone is set to New_York but no
>mention of Daylight savings time etc.
>
>On Wed, 2005-08-24 at 22:52 +0800, Not Zed wrote:
>  
>
>>Umm, i showed direct evidence that it wasn't anything to do with
>>evolution.
>>
>>"Date:" is the only header evolution creates, and they are all correct.
>>
>>
>>On Wed, 2005-08-24 at 10:21 -0400, Jeremey Wise wrote:
>>    
>>
>>>So the question still stands. What is the resolution to fix Evolution.
>>>As you saw in the email the time offset is wrong. I can't be the system
>>>as I have also done a test of mail directly from the OS and it shows up
>>>fine from a timeset ( echo stupid > mail -s test_from_SuSE_Shell
>>>jeremey.wise@...)
>>>
>>>All tests show that my system and OS time and the server time is not the
>>>issue. Evolution seems to continue some kind of offset that causes this
>>>issue.
>>>
>>>so where is this offset change coming from?
>>>23 Aug 2005
>>>11:11:14 -0500
>>>11:10:47 -0400
>>>
>>>On Wed, 2005-08-24 at 10:08 +0800, Not Zed wrote:
>>>      
>>>
>>>>Hmm, both of those messages are identical within a few minutes.
>>>>
>>>>What time, exactly, are you talking about?
>>>>
>>>>Also, FWIW, the mailer only uses your system timezone.
>>>>
>>>>>From the 'bad' message:
>>>>
>>>>Received: from 172.27.16.164 ([172.27.16.164]) by dcex1.pios.com
>>>>        ([172.25.15.51]) with Microsoft Exchange Server HTTP-DAV ; Tue,
>>>>23 Aug 2005
>>>>        11:11:14 -0500
>>>>
>>>>^^ this machine has added 1 hour
>>>>
>>>>Received: from wizej by DCEX1.pios.com; 23 Aug 2005 11:11:15 -0400
>>>>
>>>>^^ this machine hasn't
>>>>
>>>>Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 11:11:14 -0400
>>>>
>>>>^^ and evolution matches it
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>From the 'good' message
>>>>
>>>>Received: by dcex1  id <01C5A7F4.D7899254@dcex1>; Tue, 23 Aug 2005
>>>>11:10:47
>>>>        -0400
>>>>Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 11:10:17 -0400
>>>>
>>>>^^ they both have matching dates and timezones.
>>>>
>>>>The received header is created by the receiving machine, so since the
>>>>first receiver in the first message has assigned a different timezone,
>>>>i'd say that is at fault.  Either that, or all the other machines are.
>>>>
>>>>BTW it's definitely.
>>>>
>>>>On Tue, 2005-08-23 at 11:14 -0400, Jeremey Wise wrote:
>>>>        
>>>>
>>>>>I have an issue that I have now have emails showing up 1hour in the
>>>>>future. This is an issue as all emails are CC'd into a Notes DB to track
>>>>>customer history of email threads etc, and it breaks the DB ordering if
>>>>>someone else answers questions.
>>>>>
>>>>>I have verified that if I use OWA via Firefox on my SuSE box it works
>>>>>fine. I have verified that my time zone on the OS level is set to
>>>>>New_York EDT and NTP is functioning correctly. I have verified settings
>>>>>in evolution are using EST New_York.
>>>>>
>>>>>I have verified that if I parse the "sent" mail the time stamp is
>>>>>correct but it is definatly an evolution thing.
>>>>>
>>>>>It would appear if you parse the emails (attached) that Evolution is not
>>>>>doing the correct offset for daylight savings when it sends email.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>My time settings in Edit->Preferances->Calendar and Tasks-> Time Zone
>>>>>is :America/New_York
>>>>>
>>>>>No option for Daylight or no Daylight specifically.
>>>>>
>>>>>_______________________________________________
>>>>>evolution maillist  -  evolution@...
>>>>>http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/evolution
>>>>>          
>>>>>

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