Fw: common, civic, world calendar

[Philip DeRosa]

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Could you please forward this to Mike Ossipoff. I posted it to the list back on 12/24/05 and don't want to repeat myself to the whole list just yet.

 

Hi Mike I sent this to the list back in 2005 and thought you would find it of interest. Phil De Rosa  pderosa7@...

 

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From: pderosa7@...

To: CALNDR-L@...

Sent: Saturday, December 24, 2005 10:04 PM

Subject: common, civic, world calendar

A common, civic, World Calendar, because of practicality, must be a season based Solar one rather than a Lunar one. A Lunar calendar is of course of interest to astrologers, astronomers, and some religious groups.  Earthlings as a whole are basically unaffected by the Moon but we are all affected by the seasons (the Sun) in one way or another.      Life on Planet Earth would survive without the Moon, but not without the Sun. The Moon has little influence except on: the tides, seafaring, some nocturnal creatures and plants, and on some nights of the month in the areas of the world having no artificial lighting provided the skies are not clouded over. On the other hand the Sun, causing the seasons' climates, greatly affects our everyday life. Examples are: the tourism and travel industry; winter and summer vacation resorts; land, sea, and air transportation; meteorologists; clear skies; forestry; planting and harvesting; ranchers; fishermen; construction; hobby gardeners; allergy and Seasonal Affective Disorder sufferers; medical conditions like Rickets; natural source vitamin 'D'; seasonal workers; seasonal factory production; tornados; typhoons; hurricanes; drought; rain; floods; mud slides; avalanches; snow; sand storms; ice; heat waves; the sports industry and enthusiasts; the clothing industry; the heating and cooling industry; landscapers; snow removal contractors; birdwatchers; wildlife; trees and vegetation; lakes and rivers; nature lovers; space launches; plus work and school vacation schedules etc. Everyone would benefit from having a simple, predictable and perpetual, more precise, SEASON BASED SOLAR CALENDAR plus have the bonus of fixed 'civic' holidays and birthdays etc.                                        I would appreciate any thoughts on this. Just allow me a minute to duck into the protection of a doorway or under the diningroom table. I'm prepared for disaster, I live near Vancouver, Canada's California. A few days late but I hope you all enjoyed a Happy Solstice.     Phil

[Sepp Rothwangl]

Am 01.09.2009 um 05:24 schrieb Philip DeRosa:

Earthlings as a whole are basically unaffected by the Moon but we are all affected by the seasons (the Sun) in one way or another.      Life on Planet Earth would survive without the Moon, but not without the Sun. The Moon has little influence except on: the tides, seafaring, some nocturnal creatures and plants, and on some nights of the month in the areas of the world having no artificial lighting provided the skies are not clouded over. 

Philip,

Life on Erath would not be as it is without the Moon.

And: one can notice that you are a man ... otherwise (if you would be part of the female half of mankind) you would notice, how the moon affects your periods.

servus

sepp

[Philip DeRosa]

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Sorry Sepp and all, about my posting. It was intended for Mike's consideration only, concerning a seasonal calendar of whatever type, and was not meant to go to the whole list. I don't think Mike was a member of the list when this was discussed back in 05 and I didn't mean to reopen the Sun vs Moon importance issue. If I had known it was going out to all, I would have edited out all referrence to the moon. With all due respect, I would suggest that Sepp check with any female he knows or consult any obstetrician or gynecologyst who will advise him that the average human female menstrual period is 28 days and has nothing to do with the moon's 29 1/2 day cycle, in fact they are out of sync from the start. The opossum is the only other mammal that has a 28 day cycle and amongst the primates it ranges from 29 days for the orang-utan up to 37 days for the chimpanzees so obviously the moon doesn't affect them. The link between female cycles and the moon's was discredited moons ago.

Let's do away with superstition and misinformation.   Phil

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From: calendersign@...

To: CALNDR-L@...

Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 11:57 PM

Subject: Re: common, civic, world calendar

Sepp wrote:

Philip,

Life on Erath would not be as it is without the Moon.

And: one can notice that you are a man ... otherwise (if you would be part of the female half of mankind) you would notice, how the moon affects your periods.

servus

sepp

[MIKE OSSIPOFF]

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Hi Phil--

 

Thanks for the encouraging message! I'm not the only advocate of a terrestrial seasonal calendar.

 

I think that now, on the list, the number of advocates equals the number of outspoken opponents.

 

From your more recent posting, I gather that you posted your 2005 message today. Good! Why not? The subject has come up again.

 

That's an impressive list of purposes for which the seasonal time of year matters. Seasonal time of year is what matters about the year, and it's the obvioius basis for naming months.

 

We con't call label the cold water fawcet "Joe", or "Augustus" or "Februarisu". We label it "Cold". It only makes sense to label something what it is.

 

Mike Ossipoff

  

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[MIKE OSSIPOFF]

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Sepp wrote:

 

Life on Earth would not be as it is without the Moon.

 

I reply:

 

The question is, on what do we base our plans? What affects our daily life and the conditions around us? Yes, when it's light out at night, more outdoor activities were feasible before the days of outdoor lighting. There was a time when that could have affected our plans. You might have undertaken a walk into town from a dark rural location, because the moon was out. EVen now, you won't look for faint constellations when a full moon is out. But the Sun is what significantly affects our lives and environment. 

 

Sepp continued:

 

And: one can notice that you are a man ... otherwise (if you would be part of the female half of mankind) you would notice, how the moon affects your periods.

 

I reply:

 

I don't think that's what expert medical opinion says. Yes, the similiarity of the time-periods is convincing, but then why isn't it really the same? The two time-periods' phase relation continually changes? Does that sound like something that has an important influence, when one month they coincide, and a little later they're off by some arbitrary number of degrees, a difference that changes continually? And what about the fact that most other species aren't even close to the moon in their female time-periods?

 

Mike Ossipoff

 

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[MIKE OSSIPOFF]

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Sepp wrote:
 
otherwise (if you would be part of the female half of mankind) you would notice, how the moon affects your periods.

 

I reply:

 

I may have mis-spoken when I said or implied that the menstural period definitely isn't Lunar-related.

 

But first let me repeat that the Lunar cycle is not causing the menstrual timing. If it were, then the two cycles would be synchronized. But, in actual fact, though the menstural cycle's time-period is close to that of the Lunar cycle, the menstrual cycle proceeds at its own rate, apparently completely ignoring the Lunar cycle. With menstruation-times cycling round and round the Lunar cycle.

 

So how could the two cycles be related? The menstrual cycle's time-period is remarkably close to that of that of the Lunar phases.

Maybe it isn't coincidence. Maybe the menstrual period's time-period evolved to closely match the Lunar cycle, to provide a good long-term way to predict menstruation. Our remote ancestors lived much closer to nature than we do, and it's easy to come up with reasons why it could be adaptive to be able to predict mensturation well in advance. Think of bear-safety, for instance. Sure, we hear that there are internal cues when menstruation is impending, but I'm talking about longer-term advance prediction.

 

Prediction of menstruation-times by the Lunar phase wouldn't require a perfect match of the two cycles' time-periods. It's enough that they're close. A woman knows that the next period will happen around the time the moon's phase is like it was last time.

 

That could explain why only humans have such a close match to the Lunar cycle's time-period: Only humans have the capability of making a long-term prediction based on the moon's phase.

 

Sure, whatever the length of the menstrual period, counting days could predict it. But maybe our distant ancestors could notice the moon's phase before they were in the habit of counting to 28.

 

Because the Moon's effect on humans hsa been brought up in the discussion of Lunar or lunisolar calendars, it's justified to say more about the Moon's effect on humans.

 

If the full moon can cause lunatic behavior, then it's due to the Moon's nightime illumination, not from tidal effects. Why? If it were tidal, then the new moon would have the same effect. Have you ever heard of that? And the full moon at 12 noon would have the same effect too. Have you ever heard of that?

 

But, aside from all this, there's no reason to expect, in the first place, that Lunar tides would affect humans:

 

Lunar tidal weight-loss:

 

Even when the Moon is passing directly overhead, it only reduces your weight by about one part in 8.6 million. That's the amount of weight that you'd lose if you spit out a drop of spit 2.5 millimeters in diameter, or if you experienced lower gravity by standing on a 1.2 foot stool.

 

I'm talking, there, about the Lunar tidal weight-loss caused by the Moon's tidal force on the Earth/person system.

 

But what about the Moon's tidal force on the body itself?

 

As you know, the Moon's tidal force is a force that, for any two vertically-separated points in your body, is a force on those two points in the direction away from eachother. Of course it's at its maximum between head and feet, and, then, effectively, it's reducing the gravitational force that pushes your head toward your feet. But it's doing that four million times less than the Lunar tidal weight-loss does it.

 

So the Lunar tidal force on you is doing much the same thing that the Lunar tidal weight-loss is doing, but four million times less.

 

And all of this is completely swamped by the Earth's gravitational force on you.

 

Mike Ossipoff

 

 

 

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