Fwd: Google Alert - openoffice
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Re: Fwd: Google Alert - openoffice
by Florian Effenberger-2
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Hi Louis,
I also just returned from OOoCon, packing out my bags, thus at the beginning only with a very short reply: Yes, I agree that things have gone wrong here, and parts of the reason might be misreading and misunderstanding, not only on your side, but also on Johns and my side. We definitely need to be more careful in the future. From what I recall, permission to use the OOo logo has been granted, given that it's unmodified - just as we do with lots of other products. IIRC, the unmodified logo is used on the mouse and that's also what some pictures I've seen show. The only problem is the wrong color which to my knowledge is related to an error at the printer. Regarding the "official" part of the project, we always had been clear that we do not have official partner programs and can't offer that. That just as a very first reply, more to come after I ordered the bag chaos. ;-) Florian > All, > Well, I came back from a really wonderful OOoCon to read these review > .... about oomouse, the multibutton mouse that includes OpenOffice.org. > (Like many, I have a Google alert on "openoffice". > > What a surprise. oomouse is by no means "official," as the PR seems to > have it. It should not have our branding or any other statement > indicating that it is an "official" OpenOffice.org effort. > > Theo is certainly free to claim the facts, that oomouse has been > proposed as an Incubator project and people have voted on it according > to the protocols, which have been written to ensure that we do not end > up having projects without contributors. But the project is not in > Incubator, and even if it were, it would still not be an "official" > OpenOffice.org project, by which Theo seems to understand that to mean a > project endorsed by and representing the OpenOffice.org community. > (Incubator is where we site "experimental" and initial projects.) > > To state things clearly, "oomouse" is not an "official" OpenOffice.org > mouse or device, has not been endorsed by OpenOffice.org, and is not > permitted to manipulate the logo as has been done; I do not believe Theo > has been given explicit permission even to use the logo. The logo is not > subject to unauthorized free modification and redeployment. And any > authorized use of it should only be to represent the contents of the > software, that the mouse uses OpenOffice.org, not that the mouse itself > is somehow an OpenOffice.org device and able to use our branding to sell > it. Note, I'm not giving permission to use our logo and mark. That > permission has not, been given, as far as I could tell, and if it had > been, at one point, even by me, I rescind its use, as it has been used > in way that is misleading. > > (I would consider allowing the narrow use of "OpenOffice.org (R)" to > indicate that the free software product OpenOffice.org is included in > the (nonfree) mouse. > > How did this regrettable confusion come about? My guess is that there > has been a significant misunderstanding and misreading of terms, and > where it is true, that if the project is sited in the Incubator category > the lead can say, "X is in the OpenOffice.org domain" and that "X is an > Incubator project," and explain, I'd hope, what that means, but not > suggest that X is an official OpenOffice.org project or effort and that > the community has somehow engaged in a partnership with Theo's company. > (What's an official project? Well, the closes is our Accepted Projects > category. The projects there tend to be those developing core > functionality of OpenOffice.org or longstanding and important > contributor projects like Marketing. But even here, I doubt many of us > would use the terms I read today.) > > I'm not blaming Theo for this confusion. I blame myself for not being > more patient or clear in explaining to him what these terms mean and > what they don't. I guess I'm just so used to them, and am unused to > alternative readings of them. Theo even approached me in Orvieto at a > reception to ask what else needs to be done for oomouse to become an > Incubator Project. As the vote had gone according to the Protocols for > Project Proposal (see > http://www.openoffice.org/about_us/protocols_proposing.html), and there > was some interest, though I have not reviewed how much there was, > nothing much needed to be done on his end, or rather, only the formal > and procedural elements, like I creating the project, he finalizing the > mission statement, I getting his ssh2 key installed, he submitting the > SCA, if relevant, and so on. (None of these procedural steps has yet > been taken, I believe, and there is no "http://oomouse.openoffice.org"; > I have not created it.) But even once those necessary procedures are > accomplished--and the process is explained in the Protocols and Theo > assured me had read them--no Incubator project can claim that it is an > "official" OpenOffice.org project. Clearly, I should have emphasized > these steps to Theo and what they mean and what is meant by "incubator." > And I shall clarify the language of the Protocols so that > misunderstandings, for this is what I believe this is, do not occur again. > > I have just now asked Theo to immediately withdraw the misleading PR and > to clarify the situation. I have also informed him to remove our logo > and that he does not have permission to manipulate it. It is not covered > by a free or open license but is proprietary and owned by Sun. > > Again, I find this to be a really unfortunate situation very likely > produced by misreadings, misunderstandings, mistakes and my own failure > to monitor things more closely and carefully. I hope this sort of thing > does not happen again and will try to clarify the relevant texts. > > And I'm sorry that the mistakes here have surely marred Theo's > announcement. > > -louis --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscribe@... For additional commands, e-mail: dev-help@... |
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